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August 01, 2022, 08:29:21 AM
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Regarding the world cup and the club that a particular player participates, there may be some kind of clash of interests, as there may be several unpleasant events during a world cup, injuries, unavailable that a player may suffer when he returns to play at your club or even the attrition/fatigue that a player may experience after participating in a world cup.

If I'm not mistaken, according to FIFA rules, a club cannot refuse a player to participate in official matches by countries. Therefore, even with conflicts of interest, it is a risk that everyone will have to accept.

What happens sometimes is that the club and player make some persosion with the technical team, to be little used on certain occasions.

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August 01, 2022, 09:05:03 AM
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Past accomplishments don't guarantee anything, especially if we're talking about tournaments like the Copa América (where Argentina has one big rival, Brazil) or the Finalisima, FIFA's next "important" one-game tournament. Argentina has a good team, but there will be many good teams at the World Cup and they will definitely not be the favorite there. As for Messi, even earlier, from tournament to tournament, his contribution was unstable, so it is not known how well he will play in Qatar.

Messi's contribution to his national team has not been bad. However, it has not yet reached the level we expect. In the 2018 World Cup, the performance of Lionel Messi was not very stellar. In 2014, however, I believe we can safely say he was the one who carried Argentina to the World Cup finals by himself.

But the problem is he is not getting younger. He is quite old right now and that is obviously going to have an effect on his performance. Personally, I don’t think he will be able to do anything amazing in the upcoming World Cup. But if we do see something amazing from him I think there is no reason to be surprised as it is going to be his last World Cup.

He had both successful tournaments (with a national team) and not so good ones. If I remember correctly at the 2010 World Cup, he was the record holder for the number of shots thrown but scored 0 goals and made 0 assists. He is getting older and this will be his last World Cup, but I think a lot will depend on the shape in which he comes to this competition - if he is ok then the age will not be felt much. But in general, everything will depend on the general condition of the team, plus on the opponents, everyone has a chance.
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August 01, 2022, 09:33:58 AM
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They would be strong, in fact if you check the odds Argentina is a bit more luckier right now, but to be fair even if they play perfectly, it is a team game and it still depends on the team. Sure you saw them do amazing things in their clubs but not like one came from getafe and retired at levante or something, one played Barcelona all his career aside from the last season, and the other has places like United and Madrid on his resume, meaning they always had good teams backing them while them being great players.

If you put them into some barely surviving relegation team, they would still be awesome but they wouldn't have the records they have now. Which comes to my conclusion, they can't pick their national team, meaning they would be forced to play with whatever roster that nation has that year.

Argentina has a huge selection of players and their national team is very strong, the fact is that only the strongest teams remain in the playoffs of the World Cup and there are no weak ones. And since only one match is played there, luck also plays a big role. It is always difficult to assess the state of the national team, because all the players train separately from each other, each in his own club, some are physically better, some are worse, so it is always difficult to make any predictions for national teams.

 
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August 01, 2022, 09:41:08 AM
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Regarding the world cup and the club that a particular player participates, there may be some kind of clash of interests, as there may be several unpleasant events during a world cup, injuries, unavailable that a player may suffer when he returns to play at your club or even the attrition/fatigue that a player may experience after participating in a world cup.

If I'm not mistaken, according to FIFA rules, a club cannot refuse a player to participate in official matches by countries. Therefore, even with conflicts of interest, it is a risk that everyone will have to accept.

What happens sometimes is that the club and player make some persosion with the technical team, to be little used on certain occasions.
So far what I know of the latest FIFA rules for 2022 :

1. The Match Only Runs 2x30 minutes
2. Stop Time When The Ball Comes Out Or There Is A Violation
3. There Are No Throw-ins
4. No substitution limit for player
5. Players who get a yellow card can be suspended for 5 minutes

so it's possible that if a player gets injured and can't play then the management or coach may include him to sit on the field on the bench but to go into the match directly in my opinion it's very risky because it can accidentally worsen the injury of players who force themselves to play when his condition is still not fully recovered.

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August 01, 2022, 10:02:59 AM
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So far what I know of the latest FIFA rules for 2022 :

1. The Match Only Runs 2x30 minutes
2. Stop Time When The Ball Comes Out Or There Is A Violation
3. There Are No Throw-ins
4. No substitution limit for player
5. Players who get a yellow card can be suspended for 5 minutes

so it's possible that if a player gets injured and can't play then the management or coach may include him to sit on the field on the bench but to go into the match directly in my opinion it's very risky because it can accidentally worsen the injury of players who force themselves to play when his condition is still not fully recovered.

What I meant is that a club cannot ban a player from playing for the national team. Of course, if the player is injured, he will not be summoned and someone else will be chosen to take his place.

Just a note: Each part of a football match is 45 minutes long, not 30 minutes. And you can only make up to 4 substitutions.
We are talking about football 11.

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August 01, 2022, 11:41:47 AM
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By the way, it's very interesting why FIFA rate Belgium so highly, who never achieve high results in the World Cup or the European Championship, but always make them one of the favourites...
As for Messi, he's like Ronaldo, who also didn't have a World Cup winner's cup... You can write Portugal as champions by such criteria... Grin
The FIFA rankings are always suspicious because they use a complex formula to determine the rankings and that is why they produce such weird results, now do not get me wrong Belgium is a good team but they are not the second best national team around the world, as there are several teams I would put ahead of them without thinking about it and I am sure a great deal of the fans and experts will agree with me about it.

I think there is also a lot of manipulation from certain national teams who deliberately play against weaker teams in order to maintain a better ranking on the FIFA list and have a place among the holders when drawing groups for world and European competitions.
That's why we have situations where Belgium can be at the very top of the list, even though they don't deserve it in terms of quality.
I think FIFA should value the results in continental and world competitions much more and not take into account the results of friendlies.

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August 01, 2022, 12:11:42 PM
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They would be strong, in fact if you check the odds Argentina is a bit more luckier right now, but to be fair even if they play perfectly, it is a team game and it still depends on the team. Sure you saw them do amazing things in their clubs but not like one came from getafe and retired at levante or something, one played Barcelona all his career aside from the last season, and the other has places like United and Madrid on his resume, meaning they always had good teams backing them while them being great players.

If you put them into some barely surviving relegation team, they would still be awesome but they wouldn't have the records they have now. Which comes to my conclusion, they can't pick their national team, meaning they would be forced to play with whatever roster that nation has that year.
Argentina has a huge selection of players and their national team is very strong, the fact is that only the strongest teams remain in the playoffs of the World Cup and there are no weak ones. And since only one match is played there, luck also plays a big role. It is always difficult to assess the state of the national team, because all the players train separately from each other, each in his own club, some are physically better, some are worse, so it is always difficult to make any predictions for national teams.
Weak teams could be out of World Cup after end of group stage because just strong teams with quality players can qualify for knock out stage and this is going to be the toughest stage of this event, we will have top 16 teams from world in second round of world cup.

Argentina is also one of best in business so most chances they will go until last four without any big trouble because they have few quality players those are doing good for last few years around many clubs and now in their national team. Messi saga is working for them as well as fans looking for his magic can he won world cup for his country and could be remembered as legendary players in soccer history, or he could be going to retire without this and could be good player for clubs.
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August 01, 2022, 12:22:12 PM
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Argentina is also one of best in business so most chances they will go until last four without any big trouble because they have few quality players those are doing good for last few years around many clubs and now in their national team. Messi saga is working for them as well as fans looking for his magic can he won world cup for his country and could be remembered as legendary players in soccer history, or he could be going to retire without this and could be good player for clubs.
Argentina is one of the favorite teams to enter the final. they have a strong squad in this year's world cup. I think the competitor is Brazil. their team has not lost with good players this year. although some say the Brazilian team still doesn't have a unified game on the field. I think they will still do well in Qatar.
I'm still thinking about whether Brazil and Argentina can meet in the final?

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August 01, 2022, 03:16:42 PM
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Argentina is one of the favorite teams to enter the final. they have a strong squad in this year's world cup. I think the competitor is Brazil. their team has not lost with good players this year. although some say the Brazilian team still doesn't have a unified game on the field. I think they will still do well in Qatar.
I'm still thinking about whether Brazil and Argentina can meet in the final?
Don't forget about Belgium, they're quite underrated but actually have many good players and rounded than France. Even Brazil is strong, but on the 2018 FiFA World Cup, Belgium won over Brazil for 2-1 which anyone didn't expect that. Personally I'm more interested to see an underrated country won the FIFA Cup since it's boring to see the same country won again. Just like how Spain can become a champion on 2010 while they never ever become a champion since 1930.

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August 01, 2022, 05:26:11 PM
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Argentina is one of the favorite teams to enter the final. they have a strong squad in this year's world cup. I think the competitor is Brazil. their team has not lost with good players this year. although some say the Brazilian team still doesn't have a unified game on the field. I think they will still do well in Qatar.
I'm still thinking about whether Brazil and Argentina can meet in the final?
I think one country entering to final become from European and I am not really favorite with CONMEBOL zone will reach to final stage on 2022 FIFA World Cup in Qatar, I think prefer choose Brazil as favorite lead to final on CONMEBOL country zone than choose Argentina. Not having an even squad in all lines is my main consideration why I prefer Brazil. The comparison is quite far because almost all the big teams in Europe have a lot of Brazilian players such as Madrid, Arsenal, Spurs, PSG and Barcelona. But football can't predict depend with how composition player, have external situation will make different result.

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August 01, 2022, 05:58:37 PM
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Argentina is one of the favorite teams to enter the final. they have a strong squad in this year's world cup. I think the competitor is Brazil. their team has not lost with good players this year. although some say the Brazilian team still doesn't have a unified game on the field. I think they will still do well in Qatar.
I'm still thinking about whether Brazil and Argentina can meet in the final?
Don't forget about Belgium, they're quite underrated but actually have many good players and rounded than France. Even Brazil is strong, but on the 2018 FiFA World Cup, Belgium won over Brazil for 2-1 which anyone didn't expect that. Personally I'm more interested to see an underrated country won the FIFA Cup since it's boring to see the same country won again. Just like how Spain can become a champion on 2010 while they never ever become a champion since 1930.

We need to remember that for a few world cups the team which has been winning the World Cup could not even get past that knockout stage. This happened with Spain, Germany, and a few other teams. I don’t think that is going to happen to France. Even though they did not perform well in the UEFA Nations League, they remain a strong team. And they have a high chance of winning the World Cup again. Personally, I would like to see a team doing well which is not expected. Just like Russia in the last World Cup. Personally, I would like to see Argentina win the World Cup. But I have to agree that the chances are slim.

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August 01, 2022, 06:23:23 PM
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Argentina is also one of best in business so most chances they will go until last four without any big trouble because they have few quality players those are doing good for last few years around many clubs and now in their national team. Messi saga is working for them as well as fans looking for his magic can he won world cup for his country and could be remembered as legendary players in soccer history, or he could be going to retire without this and could be good player for clubs.
Argentina is one of the favorite teams to enter the final. they have a strong squad in this year's world cup. I think the competitor is Brazil. their team has not lost with good players this year. although some say the Brazilian team still doesn't have a unified game on the field. I think they will still do well in Qatar.
I'm still thinking about whether Brazil and Argentina can meet in the final?
Even through all possibilities are available, and we can expect any result from this world cup as it's wide open for all teams those are already qualified and have their spot confirmed in this event, but we have to check all ground realities as well because these two are not alone for this event we have some quality teams from Europe as well those are ready for this big challenge, and they have many skilled talented players as well which is going to be vital for this event and with this all from these teams anyone can qualify for final.

As all are going with their predictions we can expect many upsets as well for me here most chances we can go with these two teams as well as Argentina vs France as both are good and complete package for this mega event.
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August 01, 2022, 06:27:29 PM
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Just a note: Each part of a football match is 45 minutes long, not 30 minutes. And you can only make up to 4 substitutions.
We are talking about football 11.

He was referring to a project to change the football rules that FIFA plans to introduce. To begin with, they will be tested in the second division in the Netherlands and only from the 2023/2024 season. If they increase the spectacle and dynamism of football, they will be adopted and gradually extended to all championships. In fact, it looks like a revolution, and so far I find it difficult to describe my attitude towards this.

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August 01, 2022, 06:38:15 PM
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By the way, it's very interesting why FIFA rate Belgium so highly, who never achieve high results in the World Cup or the European Championship, but always make them one of the favourites...
As for Messi, he's like Ronaldo, who also didn't have a World Cup winner's cup... You can write Portugal as champions by such criteria... Grin
The FIFA rankings are always suspicious because they use a complex formula to determine the rankings and that is why they produce such weird results, now do not get me wrong Belgium is a good team but they are not the second best national team around the world, as there are several teams I would put ahead of them without thinking about it and I am sure a great deal of the fans and experts will agree with me about it.
I think there is also a lot of manipulation from certain national teams who deliberately play against weaker teams in order to maintain a better ranking on the FIFA list and have a place among the holders when drawing groups for world and European competitions.
That's why we have situations where Belgium can be at the very top of the list, even though they don't deserve it in terms of quality.
I think FIFA should value the results in continental and world competitions much more and not take into account the results of friendlies.

Right now I don’t know but that could be a problem. But before even a few years Belgium at players in the team. They still do have good players on the team. But the problem is they did not achieve some very good things which can be told to brag about. And obviously, Belgium being rated so highly by FIFA has risen some big suspicions about them. But I still don’t think that they are as bad as people are thinking them to be. Obviously, there are going to be things that are being handed to someone which they obviously do not deserve. But I don’t think it’s that bad in the case of Belgium right now.

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August 01, 2022, 06:45:40 PM
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Why do you think Russia was successful and did well in the 2018 World Cup? Well, they were already eliminated in the quarter-finals, which was not such a great and desired result for them as the hosts of the tournament. In the past, Russia achieved much better results at the world championships.
If we want to mention the national teams that really achieved great and unexpected results at the world championships, it is certainly Croatia, which was third at the World Championship in 1998, and second in 2018, after they lost in the final against France.
What can we say about South Korea, which, as the host of the 2002 World Cup, was fourth in the world?
As for this world championship, the obvious favorites are France and Brazil, but we still have at least 4-5 more national teams with reasonable chances to win the world championship, so we are expecting a very uncertain competition and small details and luck will decide, as always.

I do not think that Russia was a successful team in the 2018 World Cup. Because being successful will mean winning the World Cup. And Russia obviously did not win.

But in my opinion, Russia actually performed better than what was expected from them. Well, I did not expect them to reach the quarter-finals.

Anyway, France is going to be the strongest team in the World Cup of course. Brazil will also be one of my favorites. But there are some themes from which people are inclined to have high expectations. Those teams are Argentina, England, Croatia, and a few others. We have to remember that this World Cup is happening after the Coronavirus situation which has changed a lot of lives. And also with the Russia-Ukraine war currently on. This is shaping up to be a World Cup of uncertainty.

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August 01, 2022, 06:47:59 PM
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Argentina is one of the favorite teams to enter the final. they have a strong squad in this year's world cup. I think the competitor is Brazil. their team has not lost with good players this year. although some say the Brazilian team still doesn't have a unified game on the field. I think they will still do well in Qatar.
I'm still thinking about whether Brazil and Argentina can meet in the final?
Don't forget about Belgium, they're quite underrated but actually have many good players and rounded than France. Even Brazil is strong, but on the 2018 FiFA World Cup, Belgium won over Brazil for 2-1 which anyone didn't expect that. Personally I'm more interested to see an underrated country won the FIFA Cup since it's boring to see the same country won again. Just like how Spain can become a champion on 2010 while they never ever become a champion since 1930.
Belgium is a strong team and the quality of their players is quite capable in every line, I don't think Belgium is a team to be underestimated in the world cup later because indeed their current game has developed quite well, filled with players such as Courtois, Witsel, Hazard and several other great players of course make Belgium a threat to other big teams, if you see the teams that are underestimated in this year world cup, then I will prefer Japan, South Korea and Senegal which will probably surprise us this year as they usually do in the previous world cup cup.
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August 01, 2022, 07:41:41 PM
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If I'm not mistaken, according to FIFA rules, a club cannot refuse a player to participate in official matches by countries. Therefore, even with conflicts of interest, it is a risk that everyone will have to accept.

What happens sometimes is that the club and player make some persosion with the technical team, to be little used on certain occasions.
Hmm... I had little knowledge about this area, and I imagined that there might be some kind of clause in a certain player's contract that would prohibit him from playing for their national team. (I don't know if there were any rules in the past or were created recently).

But depending on the situation, I think it could generate some kind of "friction" between the player and the current team he plays, sponsorship or something like that.

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August 01, 2022, 09:20:59 PM
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Belgium is a strong team and the quality of their players is quite capable in every line, I don't think Belgium is a team to be underestimated in the world cup later because indeed their current game has developed quite well, filled with players such as Courtois, Witsel, Hazard and several other great players of course make Belgium a threat to other big teams, if you see the teams that are underestimated in this year world cup, then I will prefer Japan, South Korea and Senegal which will probably surprise us this year as they usually do in the previous world cup cup.
There is no doubt not only Belgium we have few more good quality teams in European zone like Croatia, Germany and England these all are capable of having the best result from this world cup and if I have to choose one from these then surely I will be gone with Belgium because their track record is very good, and they have few very good skilled players those can change things very quickly for their teams.

With this now, Germany and England are also going into this tournament with good expectations and change are bright for their going into last eight. Now as time is running out we have some good teams in Africa and Asia as well as South Korea which done big upset in last world cup with defeated to Germany so many upsets can happen.

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August 01, 2022, 10:03:54 PM
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Argentina is one of the favorite teams to enter the final. they have a strong squad in this year's world cup. I think the competitor is Brazil. their team has not lost with good players this year. although some say the Brazilian team still doesn't have a unified game on the field. I think they will still do well in Qatar.
I'm still thinking about whether Brazil and Argentina can meet in the final?
Don't forget about Belgium, they're quite underrated but actually have many good players and rounded than France. Even Brazil is strong, but on the 2018 FiFA World Cup, Belgium won over Brazil for 2-1 which anyone didn't expect that. Personally I'm more interested to see an underrated country won the FIFA Cup since it's boring to see the same country won again. Just like how Spain can become a champion on 2010 while they never ever become a champion since 1930.
Belgium is not the type of team that can win this thing. I mean sure they are good, but they are not good enough to actually be great. I am saying this because it is a tournament, if it was a league they would be high up there, but in a tournament one bad game and you are gone.

Belgium is not the "force" they were, they had a good few years but right now they are not that good and I do not think that anyone would assume them as that good. They will not win this. There are four teams everyone talks about, brazil, argentina, england, france and those four will be fighting for the top spot and one of them will be the winner, I am not seeing anyone else could.

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August 01, 2022, 11:53:52 PM
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Belgium is not the type of team that can win this thing. I mean sure they are good, but they are not good enough to actually be great. I am saying this because it is a tournament, if it was a league they would be high up there, but in a tournament one bad game and you are gone.

Belgium is not the "force" they were, they had a good few years but right now they are not that good and I do not think that anyone would assume them as that good. They will not win this. There are four teams everyone talks about, brazil, argentina, england, france and those four will be fighting for the top spot and one of them will be the winner, I am not seeing anyone else could.

I agree with you.

There's no way Belgium will end up taking the World Cup.

Brazil, Argentina, Germany, Spain, France, Portugal, and even Uruguay have more chances to winning the trophy, in my mind.
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