Suggesting this: BrandNew account limits

[Upgrade00]

The Brand New accounts, were they restricted from creating a new thread as their first post? And, if this is true, wouldn't they only need to do one post to "rank up" and remove this restriction?

No.
Brand new accounts can create threads with their first post. (Except new changes have been made and I missed the announcement).
And the restriction can be easily bypassed, even by bots, reason why it would probably not be implemented.

I would really appreciate the help, I needed the info for a project I am currently investigating, where the dev claimed they created an account (currently on BN rank) but they can't create ANN, and someone had to give his old account to the team so they can publish the ANN using said acc.

New accounts are limited from posting embedded images and have to wait for a much longer cool down time between posts, but they can start their posting with a thread.
Does the old account have a negative trust rating?
Is the old account a Jr member ranked or above?

[so98nn]

How about limiting the number of accounts that are created every day or lets say each hour?

I am not sure if anyone has this data but there must be numerous accounts that are being created ever day. Out of these accounts only countable once could be from genuine or brand new user whose visiting the forum for first time. Some of them could be come back users with lost/hacked accounts.

. . . and most of them might be with the intentions of spamming.

Limiting account creation will slow down the burst spamming and might give more time to moderators and other users to fight against spam.

It won't stop the spamming but it will slow down the process.

[holydarkness]

Does the old account have a negative trust rating?
Is the old account a Jr member ranked or above?

No, it was a completely brand new, created just yesterday, and I don't think the restriction they claimed were because of evil IP, for AFAIK the evil IP restrict people to create account instead of posting, CMIIW.

[...] Later some of us (from the group) wanted to make our own project and we were not able to post from our new accounts here. We created multiple accounts and it was not working. We wanted to launch the project on the 1st January and we were in hurry because we were running out of time so we utilized this account of Raj upon his permission (donation).

You can check our new accounts created yesterday which were not able to post anything.
1. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2955876
2. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2955892

[Upgrade00]

for AFAIK the evil IP restrict people to create account instead of posting, CMIIW.

Wrong. Evil IP actually limits new accounts from posting (threads or replies). The account would be created and registered, but they can't post until they pay the evil IP fees or get whitelisted.

[holydarkness]

for AFAIK the evil IP restrict people to create account instead of posting, CMIIW.

Wrong. Evil IP actually limits new accounts from posting (threads or replies). The account would be created and registered, but they can't post until they pay the evil IP fees or get whitelisted.

So it is most likely the restriction they had were indeed true and were due to the evil IP?

[Upgrade00]

So it is most likely the restriction they had were indeed true and were due to the evil IP?

It's plausible, especially as there's no extra benefit from using the older account to post the thread.
However their claim about 'negativity and censorship' on the forum is unfounded. The reason for the evil IP restrictions is obvious and it can be lifted easily. The fee would also be added to copper membership if they plan on getting that later on.

[FIFA worldcup]

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Just an idea, how about implementing a limited account access for brand new accounts.

Meaning they must reach total time logged in : x number of hours;
or a requirement to be invited(merit), before brand new accounts can write, post.
or limit their post to the beginners & help.

This is only a suggestion.

Lets suppose you are the owner of a company and you want to advertise your company on this forum. Also suppose you are an skilled individual and you come to the forum to advertise your services. In both cases, you will not be interested in spending time on the forum and ranking up/merits doesn't mean much to you. If we implement you proposal, we will limit these newbie people from using the forum and it will not be good for the forum.

Please remember, that all newbies does not come to join the bounties on this forum.

[LoyceV]

the dev claimed they created an account (currently on BN rank) but they can't create ANN, and someone had to give his old account to the team so they can publish the ANN using said acc.

New accounts are limited from posting embedded images and have to wait for a much longer cool down time between posts, but they can start their posting with a thread.

The proper solution for the dev would be to buy Copper Membership. That allows a new user to embed images.

How about limiting the number of accounts that are created every day or lets say each hour?
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It won't stop the spamming but it will slow down the process.

That would mean new (real) users have to compete with automated spam bots or click farms to create their account. It's worse than Newbie jail, so it won't happen.

[shield132]

Theymos said that no limitation will be implemented on this forum for newbies and registration will be as easy as it was and is right now.

It has it's pros and cons. We can't request this action from theymos because he wants traffic on this forum and such members generate huge traffic of bitcointalk. High traffic means higher cost of ads on the website, i.e. high revenue for theymos. Forum runs on servers and has costs, moderators need money too (I remember hilariousandco said that they are paid according to their work).

Btw this forum has "ignore" function. I think the best alternative will be if theymos adds "hide" function and we won't even see users and their posts once they are hidden for us.

[LoyceV]

We can't request this action from theymos because he wants traffic on this forum and such members generate huge traffic of bitcointalk. High traffic means higher cost of ads on the website, i.e. high revenue for theymos. Forum runs on servers and has costs, moderators need money too (I remember hilariousandco said that they are paid according to their work).

The forum sits on ~1250 Bitcoin and theymos already said it doesn't need money, and he doesn't personally need to profit of it either (I'm too lazy to find back the posts). I don't think high traffic is a priority. Instead, the forum's mission is to be "as free as possible".

[actmyname]

Instead, the forum's mission is to be "as free as possible".

What if Newbies were, at least, prevented from continuing to pollute a useless board with threads when you have so many accounts there? (or better yet, close the entire board altogether!)*

_{*that whole original premise of moving things away from the Gambling section doesn't make sense when it has extremely low traffic at this stage. I think most people have clued in to things, and even if they haven't, you have users that will post on every new ponzi that comes warning people from participating.}

Btw this forum has "ignore" function. I think the best alternative will be if theymos adds "hide" function and we won't even see users and their posts once they are hidden for us.

I don't think I have the patience to hit ignore for every new user that comes along. Multiply the effort by all active users and you've effectively wasted cumulative years of work on what amounts to swatting a few flies away... which come back swarming every time.

[AdolfinWolf]

Are we discussing this just to discuss or are you seriously arguing we should severely limit the posting capabilities for new users even more?

At what point does this forum become a mass circle-jerk just to farm bounties and signature campaigns? (Or have we long surpassed this point )

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Beware of the new type of spam, hidden in the bounty proof of registration.


Just an idea, how about implementing a limited account access for brand new accounts.

Meaning they must reach total time logged in : x number of hours;
or a requirement to be invited(merit), before brand new accounts can write, post.
or limit their post to the beginners & help.

This is only a suggestion.

I know that if I were a new user, I know I'd have long left by now if you'd implement any set of the above. Have you looked at the Beginners & Help section? It's completely riddled with morons that do have a rank just posting stupid shit and reformulating other people's answers for their bounties.

or a requirement to be invited(merit)

Esoteric, I like it. It fits the design and general vibe of the forum. I mean, there's so much good shit being shared everywhere...

I think i'm delusional as well -- Perhaps I idolize the "new user" as some savior that'll bring intellectual prosperity, for which is too much credit, given that the average new user is likely to be some pajeet shitposter which will follow whatever bureaucratic rules you impose on him (or his rank, rather), but will too contribute zilch.

Instead, the forum's mission is to be "as free as possible".

What if Newbies were, at least, prevented from continuing to pollute a useless board with threads when you have so many accounts there? (or better yet, close the entire board altogether!)*

_{*that whole original premise of moving things away from the Gambling section doesn't make sense when it has extremely low traffic at this stage. I think most people have clued in to things, and even if they haven't, you have users that will post on every new ponzi that comes warning people from participating.}

Indeed, I see an average of 2-3 thread bumps/replies a day, with almost every thread having people warning others of the dangers of a ponzi-scheme. Also -- how are you not contradicting yourself here? You want to impose sanctions on Newbies for a problem that doesn't really exist at the same time. (Edit: scrolling through the board a bit more, it's pure cancer, I agree.)

Btw this forum has "ignore" function. I think the best alternative will be if theymos adds "hide" function and we won't even see users and their posts once they are hidden for us.

I don't think I have the patience to hit ignore for every new user that comes along. Multiply the effort by all active users and you've effectively wasted cumulative years of work on what amounts to swatting a few flies away... which come back swarming every time.

I rather glance over 5 newbie posts that are posting backlinks than to read a single reply from a person such as myself.

[actmyname]

At what point does this forum become a mass circle-jerk just to farm bounties and signature campaigns? (Or have we long surpassed this point )

It's not even really a circle-jerk, it's a masturbation squadron. You have all these fucktards shitting on themselves, tripping over one another just to reply to the topic title with whatever asinine combination of regurgitated froth and repetition they could scrape from the posts they do read.

Indeed, I see an average of 2-3 thread bumps/replies a day, with almost every thread having people warning others of the dangers of a ponzi-scheme. Also -- how are you not contradicting yourself here? You want to impose sanctions on Newbies for a problem that doesn't really exist at the same time. (Edit: scrolling through the board a bit more, it's pure cancer, I agree.)

To be honest, I would rather theymos completely wipe that section off the forum. I see no purpose for it and I see no point of hanging on any excuses: it's not as if moderators will have to do much extra work if they just need to get rid of a few ponzis a day. That, or you can just get condoras to do it for them.

Have you looked at the Beginners & Help section? It's completely riddled with morons that do have a rank just posting stupid shit and reformulating other people's answers for their bounties.

You can see many sections reduced to this state. Peer into Lending... if you create a new thread as a Newbie and request a loan, I guarantee that within half an hour someone is going to respond with the typical response. Same thing when you talk about any account trading. Same thing in the Scam Accusations section, with slightly more nuance (ooh you didn't read ToS).

Makes me wonder how many Hungry Hungry Sig Spammers have the BTC Address staking thread on "notify me when new posts come", ready to quote the reply?

[shield132]

We can't request this action from theymos because he wants traffic on this forum and such members generate huge traffic of bitcointalk. High traffic means higher cost of ads on the website, i.e. high revenue for theymos. Forum runs on servers and has costs, moderators need money too (I remember hilariousandco said that they are paid according to their work).

The forum sits on ~1250 Bitcoin and theymos already said it doesn't need money, and he doesn't personally need to profit of it either (I'm too lazy to find back the posts). I don't think high traffic is a priority. Instead, the forum's mission is to be "as free as possible".

Maybe theymos wants to use forum funds for other good things? Check this!
I amn't 100% sure what theymos said about signatures but one thing that comes to my mind is that signature campaign drives a huge traffic on this forum and is the major part of forum's ecosystem. By removing sigs, forum will lost traffic and high traffic = profit. Also, I remember that Roger Ver wanted to add signature campaign on forum.bitcoin.com in order to boost the website's traffic and make his forum more popular.

Btw this forum has "ignore" function. I think the best alternative will be if theymos adds "hide" function and we won't even see users and their posts once they are hidden for us.

I don't think I have the patience to hit ignore for every new user that comes along. Multiply the effort by all active users and you've effectively wasted cumulative years of work on what amounts to swatting a few flies away... which come back swarming every time.

We need more users like DannyHamilton, he made the huge ignore list on this forum.

Also, direct answer to OP's idea (quote from theymos):

there are an awful lot of newbie restrictions, and I don't want the forum to be unwelcoming to good newbies.

[actmyname]

Also, direct answer to OP's idea (quote from theymos):

there are an awful lot of newbie restrictions, and I don't want the forum to be unwelcoming to good newbies.

Maybe theymos is purposefully selecting hardcore Bitcoin users.

The lack of Newbie and safety restrictions would probably eke out a small percentage of incoming users, which would have to stomach the nonstop spam in all the discussion boards. If you're trying to enter a forum and talk about this massive new technology you've discovered, you probably don't want to do it around people with broken English ranting about how

The wind for Bitcoin is on our side but anytime it could change that is why I don't fall for FOMO at all because I've learned the lesson way back 2017 and that lesson really hurts. The basic "buy low sell high" still works for me and at the moment I got nothing to invest coz I lost my job.

I don't know how many times I've seen the same post rewritten in slight variations. Hundreds. Thousands? Certainly at least a few thousand.

Asking for users to make their own ignore list is like saying, "fuck that whole moderator concept, do it yourself".


The users that decide to stay must really love Bitcoin. What is this, a cult?

[WinBitcoins.Casino]

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Beware of the new type of spam, hidden in the bounty proof of registration.


Just an idea, how about implementing a limited account access for brand new accounts.

Meaning they must reach total time logged in : x number of hours;
or a requirement to be invited(merit), before brand new accounts can write, post.
or limit their post to the beginners & help.

This is only a suggestion.

Dear there are already too many restrictions on new accounts. Some just loose access to the old accounts or some have to use a new account. Imagine how a 4 year patron will think with a new and restricted account.

[hilariousetc]

How about limiting the number of accounts that are created every day or lets say each hour?

I am not sure if anyone has this data but there must be numerous accounts that are being created ever day. Out of these accounts only countable once could be from genuine or brand new user whose visiting the forum for first time. Some of them could be come back users with lost/hacked accounts.

. . . and most of them might be with the intentions of spamming.

Limiting account creation will slow down the burst spamming and might give more time to moderators and other users to fight against spam.

It won't stop the spamming but it will slow down the process.

This is only going to penalise genuine users whilst giving advantage to bots who can automate the process. Theymos is never going to do anything that is this restrictive so we need ways that only effect the bots. I think we should look at ways at stopping all these bots though as there's masses of them right now and it's only going to get worse. Shadowbanning would at least stop the spam from being an eyesore to everyone and genuine users won't know any different.

We can't request this action from theymos because he wants traffic on this forum and such members generate huge traffic of bitcointalk. High traffic means higher cost of ads on the website, i.e. high revenue for theymos. Forum runs on servers and has costs, moderators need money too (I remember hilariousandco said that they are paid according to their work).

The forum sits on ~1250 Bitcoin and theymos already said it doesn't need money, and he doesn't personally need to profit of it either (I'm too lazy to find back the posts). I don't think high traffic is a priority. Instead, the forum's mission is to be "as free as possible".

Maybe theymos wants to use forum funds for other good things? Check this!

I doubt forum funds will be used for things like that, but I'm sure you could get people to contribute to it. Things like seasteads are easier said than done though and usually will end in tears or deaths as they inevitable turn into cults or megalomaniacs take them over via their leadership.

[Csmiami]

This is only going to penalise genuine users whilst giving advantage to bots who can automate the process. Theymos is never going to do anything that is this restrictive so we need ways that only effect the bots.

Something like adding a simple captcha to brand new/newbie accounts before posting?

It'd be a bit of a pain, but it's not restrictive, and most already do that on faucets, so doing another one to send the bounty report won't really matter to them. Bot owners could of course pay for the services that solve captchas for their bots, but it could reduce the number of bots (or so I want to believe).

The "only" downside I'd see is that depending on the captcha type, it wouldn't be very TOR friendly

[hilariousetc]

This is only going to penalise genuine users whilst giving advantage to bots who can automate the process. Theymos is never going to do anything that is this restrictive so we need ways that only effect the bots.

Something like adding a simple captcha to brand new/newbie accounts before posting?

It'd be a bit of a pain, but it's not restrictive, and most already do that on faucets, so doing another one to send the bounty report won't really matter to them. Bot owners could of course pay for the services that solve captchas for their bots, but it could reduce the number of bots (or so I want to believe).

The "only" downside I'd see is that depending on the captcha type, it wouldn't be very TOR friendly

Well I have suggested that before but there's already a captcha and the bots are getting past that and I think they can get past the other more complex ones so it's a case of how annoying it is to genuine users vs how many bots it potentially stops. Captchas can be very annoying to new users, especially when they take repeated efforts to pass like they do with tor whereas a bot doesn't care and it will keep trying until it gets past it somehow or like you said they'll pay people to solve them which can be done very cheaply. Maybe we could require a captcha if the new user makes a post that contains an url or the first handful of posts a new user makes containing an url need to be approved by a mod before they go live (they could still appear as posted to the user essentially being shadowbanned until verified).