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December 20, 2020, 03:42:09 PM
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The person honestly indicated his country without deception, then began to place bets. And as soon as he won, he started having problems ...

The person took a screenshot because he wanted to do it! why he did it is not discussed at the moment! Also an employee of Adkensbet confirmed this in a letter!

if Adkinsbet made this country available for registration, and then refuses payment due to the country of registration - this is a sneaky cheat from the bookmaker!

The bookmaker's rules can be changed at any time by the bookmaker itself. We do not have All the rules at the time of registration of this person. I can assume that this country was allowed for betting, and then it was removed!

As a result, the client did not break the rules on the day of registration! (if the rules changed later, then this cannot affect past registrations) So Adkinsbet must pay the money in full!

it is very easy, just read the terms. they did not hide anything in the terms, they give complete transparency  terms indicate very clear that you can not register from the UK.
And by the way, who on earth is going to make a picture from his registration? the fact that he make a photo from that, already indicates that he probably know he can not gamble from the UK
Or he just photoshopped it later.

Are you aware that the terms and conditions could be changed at any time? The terms can be one thing today, and another tomorrow. If you read my allegation, you would see that I am saying I never saw the UK listed as a prohibited country. I made a picture of my registration for my personal records. What exactly is wrong with that? What do you think about them listing a prohibited country in their dropdown menu then?
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December 20, 2020, 04:24:52 PM
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You mix things up all the time. You say they changed the terms and conditions, do you have proof of that? As far as I can see, Great Britan and Northern Ireland are banned (together the UK).
You are only talking about your registration list, but that is not binding. The general terms and conditions are binding, do you have a picture of it?
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December 20, 2020, 04:32:00 PM
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Players are responsible for their own registration. At the time of registration, players could also enter their own country manually. We then adjusted that because there was some confusion about it.
Basically there was the possibility to enter any country in the world.
This user has manually entered United Kingdom himself. Players from the United Kingdom are not allowed, as can be read very clearly in the terms and conditions.
We have also indicated to this player that we are looking into his situation and will contact him later, but sir has no patience.

@OP, This statement above by Adkinsbet was very clear. You knew for yourself that your country is restricted before register that's why you screenshot your registration form. You should be patience for your issue to solve by them since you are the one who cause this problem and the admins of the casino already told you that they will fix this.

Just wait for them to fix this issue and lock immediately this scam accusation thread. There is no sense to create this at the first place since they are attending your issue.

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December 20, 2020, 04:33:50 PM
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I can easily vouch for Adkinsbet here, I won quite a lot on their site and its all been paid out.

This is user error, and its typical he would blame the company when he was to lazy to read the terms.
Foolish to come here to try and make a case.
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December 20, 2020, 05:09:03 PM
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@AdkinsBET, have you changed the URL of your Terms & Conditions page?
Code:
https://adkinsbet.com/pages/tac
The current link (above) does not have any archive in the archive.org history except I archived a copy few minutes ago which is this: https://archive.vn/ZIpZ4

Players are responsible for their own registration. At the time of registration, players could also enter their own country manually. We then adjusted that because there was some confusion about it.
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If you wish to use our website, this is not permitted if you are a resident of one of the following countries and their territories: United States of America, France, The Netherlands and countries that form the Kingdom of the Netherlands (Bonaire , Sint Eustatius, Saba, Aruba, Curaçao and Sint Maarten) Australia, Great Britain and Northern
Was this clause on your site before and until 7th December? I am asking because you already said that you have adjusted the county section of the dropdown list.


You need to change the currency too.



Another question: Do you email your users or anyhow let them know any update on your terms and force them to accept it?

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December 20, 2020, 05:14:40 PM
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I can easily vouch for Adkinsbet here, I won quite a lot on their site and its all been paid out.

This is user error, and its typical he would blame the company when he was to lazy to read the terms.
Foolish to come here to try and make a case.

what nonsense are you writing! ?

absolutely all bookmakers, without exception, do not allow registration of players from prohibited regions! ABSOLUTELY ALL bookmakers! if you are an IP address from a prohibited country, your site will not be available for registration!

if the bookmaker did not bother to close access for prohibited countries, then there should be no prohibited countries in the choice of country for registration!

In this case, the bookmaker deliberately did not take care of it! Considering that the bookmaker is very similar to 1xbet, I conclude that he did it on purpose!

Adkinsbet must remove the error from his site, prohibit registration for users with individual entrepreneurs from prohibited countries. And must pay all the money for this user!
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December 20, 2020, 05:29:26 PM
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I can easily vouch for Adkinsbet here, I won quite a lot on their site and its all been paid out.

This is user error, and its typical he would blame the company when he was to lazy to read the terms.
Foolish to come here to try and make a case.

what nonsense are you writing! ?

absolutely all bookmakers, without exception, do not allow registration of players from prohibited regions! ABSOLUTELY ALL bookmakers! if you are an IP address from a prohibited country, your site will not be available for registration!

if the bookmaker did not bother to close access for prohibited countries, then there should be no prohibited countries in the choice of country for registration!

In this case, the bookmaker deliberately did not take care of it! Considering that the bookmaker is very similar to 1xbet, I conclude that he did it on purpose!

Adkinsbet must remove the error from his site, prohibit registration for users with individual entrepreneurs from prohibited countries. And must pay all the money for this user!

You are a piece of shit. You are the one who was trying to scam Adkinsbet because you are a matchfixer. Adkinsbet caught you professionaly, and since then you are doing anything trying to take them down.
Pathetic moron.
And regarding this case, you should read better. United Kingdom was NOT in the registration list, the user entered this by himself.
Everything is in the terms, so what are we talking about.

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December 20, 2020, 05:45:38 PM
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@AdkinsBET, have you changed the URL of your Terms & Conditions page?
Code:
https://adkinsbet.com/pages/tac
The current link (above) does not have any archive in the archive.org history except I archived a copy few minutes ago which is this: https://archive.vn/ZIpZ4

Players are responsible for their own registration. At the time of registration, players could also enter their own country manually. We then adjusted that because there was some confusion about it.
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If you wish to use our website, this is not permitted if you are a resident of one of the following countries and their territories: United States of America, France, The Netherlands and countries that form the Kingdom of the Netherlands (Bonaire , Sint Eustatius, Saba, Aruba, Curaçao and Sint Maarten) Australia, Great Britain and Northern
Was this clause on your site before and until 7th December? I am asking because you already said that you have adjusted the county section of the dropdown list.


You need to change the currency too.



Another question: Do you email your users or anyhow let them know any update on your terms and force them to accept it?

Great Britain has always been on the list of excluded countries, this has not been adjusted by us. We also did not changed the url.
the currency GBP can be used any user. That does not imply anything. Some users prefer the GBP as their currency, as not all units of all countries are listed. This can also be the reason with the stability of a currency.
Previously, a user could manually enter his country of origin.
Now you can still do that, but you cannot save that data. The user in question has not viewed the terms and conditions, that is not Adkinsbet's problem.
The fact that he takes a picture of his registration also indicates that he knows that he is often not accepted. He should have sent us an email asking if a player from the UK is eligible to play.
It was only when we started the KYC procedure that we found out that he was from the UK and we immediately took action.
The management already informed me that the user will not receive his winnings, but they will discuss if the user will get his deposit back.

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December 20, 2020, 06:16:03 PM
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The management already informed me that the user will not receive his winnings, but they will discuss if the user will get his deposit back.

I believe you should atleast give the user his money if he bet fair and square. Because your casino will definitely not refund his money in case he lose his bet after you find out that he violates his T&C or rather you will not review his account in case he lose.

This kind of discussion has been tackle many times. I hope that your management will come up to a good decision.

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December 20, 2020, 06:34:23 PM
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Thanks AdkinsBET for quick response.

Now you can still do that, but you cannot save that data.
I checked that, and you are correct the data can not be saved as it does not take any input that is not on the list.

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It was only when we started the KYC procedure that we found out that he was from the UK, and we immediately took action.
When have you started your KYC procedure? Before the withdrawal request or after the withdrawal request.
I assume after he requested for the withdrawal because if you had spotted it before the withdrawal request then he already had his account closed, correct? Besides remember, you did not stop him placing the bets he made despite he was from a region that is restricted.

The bookies I gamble, I think they always remind me that I am from a territory where they do not allow placing a bet. I use tor, so sometimes I get an IP which is restricted for them.

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The management already informed me that the user will not receive his winnings, but they will discuss if the user will get his deposit back.
You are a new bookie and I see you are going through the experiences and improving your service constantly from the experiences. Very good thing and I have well wishes for you and your team. The Community needs some top-notch bookies so that the competition keeps them busy improving their services. Right now we do not have many bookmakers to have many options.

In this case I see error from both you and maybe from the accuser.
1. You had the error that the input allowed someone from the restricted area.
2. You allowed the accused account to place a (the) bet/s.
3. The user did not read (possibly) the term & conditions in other words you did not enforce the user to follow the tac.

In my opinion,
(1) the user should get his deposit back, there are no question about it, and we have seen bookies already to practice this.

(2) But since you had your errors in the site and also the user was not enforced to follow the terms & conditions, for the winnings - I would say you both settle in the middle or even better if you just accept the loss and pay him whatever he won. This may look that you are losing money (maybe) but your wins are that as a new bookie you are always putting your customers in the front which all business should.

There are no doubt in #1 that you need to give his deposit back but #2 is up to you and your management.

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December 20, 2020, 06:54:18 PM
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Thanks AdkinsBET for quick response.

Now you can still do that, but you cannot save that data.
I checked that, and you are correct the data can not be saved as it does not take any input that is not on the list.

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It was only when we started the KYC procedure that we found out that he was from the UK, and we immediately took action.
When have you started your KYC procedure? Before the withdrawal request or after the withdrawal request.
I assume after he requested for the withdrawal because if you had spotted it before the withdrawal request then he already had his account closed, correct? Besides remember, you did not stop him placing the bets he made despite he was from a region that is restricted.

The bookies I gamble, I think they always remind me that I am from a territory where they do not allow placing a bet. I use tor, so sometimes I get an IP which is restricted for them.

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The management already informed me that the user will not receive his winnings, but they will discuss if the user will get his deposit back.
You are a new bookie and I see you are going through the experiences and improving your service constantly from the experiences. Very good thing and I have well wishes for you and your team. The Community needs some top-notch bookies so that the competition keeps them busy improving their services. Right now we do not have many bookmakers to have many options.

In this case I see error from both you and maybe from the accuser.
1. You had the error that the input allowed someone from the restricted area.
2. You allowed the accused account to place a (the) bet/s.
3. The user did not read (possibly) the term & conditions in other words you did not enforce the user to follow the tac.

In my opinion,
(1) the user should get his deposit back, there are no question about it, and we have seen bookies already to practice this.

(2) But since you had your errors in the site and also the user was not enforced to follow the terms & conditions, for the winnings - I would say you both settle in the middle or even better if you just accept the loss and pay him whatever he won. This may look that you are losing money (maybe) but your wins are that as a new bookie you are always putting your customers in the front which all business should.

There are no doubt in #1 that you need to give his deposit back but #2 is up to you and your management.

Sorry Royse, but in this post you are writing things that do not make any sense at all.

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You had the error that the input allowed someone from the restricted area.

Why is this an error? The bar was meant to search for your country, not to enter a country and register with it. If your country does not come up in the list, then there should not be ring a bell?
It is pretty funny that everybody is always pointing to the Terms, except in this case.
User should have read the terms. Why is this so unclear? i think that every website works like this. Except if the TaC are in contradictory with the law from the jurisdiction.

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But since you had your errors in the site and also the user was not enforced to follow the terms & conditions, for the winnings - I would say you both settle in the middle or even better if you just accept the loss and pay him whatever he won. This may look that you are losing money (maybe) but your wins are that as a new bookie you are always putting your customers in the front which all business should.

If you register on the site, it is very clear that you have to agree on the TaC, they even have a checkmark box and a link to the TaC.
If you try to register without clicking the checkbox, the system does not allow your registration.
If I am not mistaken, I read that this user already received his withdrawals already before. He is now trying to imply that this was his first withdrawal, which was definitely not.

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The user did not read (possibly) the term & conditions in other words you did not enforce the user to follow the tac.

Do you really play on gambling sites? If you really do, then you know that many sites do not forced you to go to the TaC page.
That is how many, many sites work as well.

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You allowed the accused account to place a (the) bet/s.

There are different options to block a user from a restricted country. You can block an IP, or remove the country from the list, where Adkinsbet chosen for.
I disagree with all your points, but I agree with the points that the user should get his deposit back.




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December 20, 2020, 07:26:47 PM
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You had the error that the input allowed someone from the restricted area.

Why is this an error? The bar was meant to search for your country, not to enter a country and register with it.

At the time of registration, players could also enter their own country manually.
The option was there, and then they had to adjust it. There was error, so the need for adjustment came in place.

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If I am not mistaken, I read that this user already received his withdrawals already before. He is now trying to imply that this was his first withdrawal, which was definitely not.

The management already informed me that the user will not receive his winnings, but they will discuss if the user will get his deposit back.
My account balance at this time was close to £2000, which sum amounts to deposits and winnings.
These means the deposited amount are into consideration too.


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Do you really play on gambling sites? If you really do, then you know that many sites do not forced you to go to the TaC page.
That is how many, many sites work as well.
I actually do and since I have been with bitcoin I am not gambling with any fiat currency sites, or I used to have accounts with almost all renowned  bookies (physically established as well as online) in Europe and at that time there were no Brexit. I even consider myself the one who forced betting sites to introduce a few seconds delay in in-play bets. It used to the have no delay and one could have the chance to place a bet within the 2nd after an event, you could literally bet after knowing the result because of no delay.



There are sites which do not enforce, true but these days there a many sites who do enforce. It's becoming common practice.

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I agree with the points that the user should get his deposit back.
No doubt about it and for the #2 I think you missed reading the last line :-D
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There are no doubt in #1 that you need to give his deposit back but #2 is up to you and your management.

Anyway, I hope we see another good ending for Adkinsbet like the last one. No matter if we agree or disagree with each others but a good ending is what we all want.

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December 20, 2020, 07:58:18 PM
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I think this user should have been a bit more patient. He also sent several emails every day. Support has already informed him that his case is being worked on and that he would receive an update soon.
I get the idea that if people are not helped within a few days, then they start an accusation topic right away. That does not seem quite the intention Smiley


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December 20, 2020, 08:11:00 PM
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Thanks AdkinsBET for quick response.

Now you can still do that, but you cannot save that data.
I checked that, and you are correct the data can not be saved as it does not take any input that is not on the list.

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It was only when we started the KYC procedure that we found out that he was from the UK, and we immediately took action.
When have you started your KYC procedure? Before the withdrawal request or after the withdrawal request.
I assume after he requested for the withdrawal because if you had spotted it before the withdrawal request then he already had his account closed, correct? Besides remember, you did not stop him placing the bets he made despite he was from a region that is restricted.

The bookies I gamble, I think they always remind me that I am from a territory where they do not allow placing a bet. I use tor, so sometimes I get an IP which is restricted for them.

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The management already informed me that the user will not receive his winnings, but they will discuss if the user will get his deposit back.
You are a new bookie and I see you are going through the experiences and improving your service constantly from the experiences. Very good thing and I have well wishes for you and your team. The Community needs some top-notch bookies so that the competition keeps them busy improving their services. Right now we do not have many bookmakers to have many options.

In this case I see error from both you and maybe from the accuser.
1. You had the error that the input allowed someone from the restricted area.
2. You allowed the accused account to place a (the) bet/s.
3. The user did not read (possibly) the term & conditions in other words you did not enforce the user to follow the tac.

In my opinion,
(1) the user should get his deposit back, there are no question about it, and we have seen bookies already to practice this.

(2) But since you had your errors in the site and also the user was not enforced to follow the terms & conditions, for the winnings - I would say you both settle in the middle or even better if you just accept the loss and pay him whatever he won. This may look that you are losing money (maybe) but your wins are that as a new bookie you are always putting your customers in the front which all business should.

There are no doubt in #1 that you need to give his deposit back but #2 is up to you and your management.

I finally see an honest man!
Thank you Royse777 . everything is written as true as possible!
Only I do not agree with point 2.
Now the bookmaker has such a reputation that he suspiciously has a lot of errors and bugs. And he knows all this. It seems to be setting traps on purpose. And when people get into them, he refuses to pay!
I believe that the mistake was made on purpose. Therefore, they must pay in full!

Why are you still thinking about not giving a deposit Huh it's not even discussed!

Don't try to argue with wildan88. this user has sold his account to Adkinsbet.
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December 20, 2020, 08:19:40 PM
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User MishaYo is a professional cheater/scammer.
Alt account of venomfighter, fighterbet, Liontiger1
I hope some admin can ban this annoying idiot.

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December 20, 2020, 09:20:21 PM
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These things happen so often. The only difference is that this user is desperate and has no experience at all. He is now using leverage to pressure the site, which is why he has started an accusation topic.
A lot of people think that's the way to pressure a new site, threatening sites and hoping for a result. I think this will only work against you. You will reach more if you act normal.
The site has already indicated that they are working on it, why do you have to start an accusation topic if it is not resolved within 2 days? I think that is sad and you are unjustifiably damaging the image of a site.
If 3 weeks would have passed, then you have the right to make an accusation but come on, because they did not solve within a few days and then start an accusation? That is not done.
And all because this user was so stupid not to read the terms. Registers from a prohibited country and now he blames Adkinsbet that it took more than 3 days to solve the situation.
I do not know this user, but one thing for sure is that he has no experience with gambling sites, is very nervous and that he is very desperate with rash actions which can not be justified
regarding MishaYo, I hope somebody has a big cage so we can lock him up there and get rid of that troll.

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December 20, 2020, 09:46:02 PM
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@bleedrulez
I have the permission to solve the situation, and I am allowed to give you your deposit back (calculating the deposits and withdrawals)
Please send me a PM with your bitcoin address so I will try to get this done as soon as possible for you. In that case, they can make the payment tomorrow morning.
I understand that is not the solution you were hoping for, but this is really the best I can do for you.

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December 20, 2020, 09:57:47 PM
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@Royse777
A little bit off topic, sorry for that, but mate wish, if I could have You in the past as support in my SCAM accusation with Malubit.com, which is over already!
However You are very qualified and honest person!
Thank You for being here!
Regards,
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December 20, 2020, 09:59:31 PM
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 (calculating the deposits and withdrawals)


What?
do you mean that there were several deposits and withdrawals?

@bleedrulez
please tell us. Did you have any other withdrawals that Adkinsbet allowed? This is very important to know!
if this is true, then Adkinsbet has no chance of saving face!
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December 20, 2020, 11:02:01 PM
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Nobody's gonna bring up the fact that the guy's "evidence" he registered an account from the UK is shown from the registration screen, and not the actual account screen? You can clearly see the big yellow "Register" button beneath the text fields.

Regardless of what actually happened, the terms & conditions clearly state players aren't allowed to gamble from restricted countries, of which Great Britain is one. This user copy/pasted the relevant section from the terms back in November:

For players who are looking for restricted countries,
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If you wish to use our website, this is not permitted if you are a resident of one of the following countries and their territories: United States of America, France, The Netherlands and countries that form the Kingdom of the Netherlands (Bonaire , Sint Eustatius, Saba, Aruba, Curaçao and Sint Maarten) Australia, Great Britain and Northern Ireland, Cyprus.

Nice work by Nutildah for this post. so it turns out that bleedrules has been lying about the terms and conditions, he said great britain was not on the list, but so it is 100% sure that great britan was on the list at the time of registration. From that I can only draw 1 conclusion that is that bleedrules has not read the terms and conditions, or denies having read and is now trying to do everything to get his money by sticking lies together.
Seems that Adkinsbet was honest about the whole situation, and bleedrulez just frauding here with fake accusations

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