Trump Pardons

[sirazimuth]

I thought this would be a good thread ....because you know, he's just getting started.

Will he try to pardon himself??
The next 30 days will be interesting.

[1714810049]

1714810049

[1714810049]

1714810049

[1714810049]

1714810049

[suchmoon]

Will he try to pardon himself??

Why? He didn't do anything wrong. Allegedly. Nor did any of his family members or family pets like Giuliani. Surely he wouldn't be pardoning them for no reason.

No, I would not bet any money on that LOL.

[philipma1957]

He will pardon every drug sentence in federal prisons at the weed possession level.

Easy move to get 1000’s on his side.

[sirazimuth]

Allegedly. Nor did any of his family members or family pets like Giuliani. Surely he wouldn't be pardoning them for no reason.
.....

Trump..... you get a pardon, congratulations!
Random Whitehouse Loyal Trump Staffer....wait, but I didn't do anything illegal!
Trump...you worked for me, didn't you?
Random Whitehouse Loyal Trump Staffer... um, well yes...

Trump....  Ok, here have a pardon...cover your ass man...

[squatz1]

Will he try to pardon himself??

Why? He didn't do anything wrong. Allegedly. Nor did any of his family members or family pets like Giuliani. Surely he wouldn't be pardoning them for no reason.

No, I would not bet any money on that LOL.

Currently waiting on my pardon confirmation in the mail. I submitted my form both online and by USPS. Maybe the USPS delays are slowing it down?

All of my crimes, both committed prior to the pardon and after should be forgiven so I should be good forever now.

Guy is totally going to try to pardon himself, lol.

[Gyfts]

Don't you have to be charged with some sort of crime to pardon yourself?

In any event -- I'm a bit disappointed Snowden wasn't pardoned. Probably some Washington DC hacks convinced him out of it. They sure hate it when someone exposes their corruption.

[squatz1]

Don't you have to be charged with some sort of crime to pardon yourself?

In any event -- I'm a bit disappointed Snowden wasn't pardoned. Probably some Washington DC hacks convinced him out of it. They sure hate it when someone exposes their corruption.

Disappointed as well over here. Though we still have hope that this pardon could be a last minute thing as his term is ending, though I doubt the intelligence community is going to allow him to do that. They'll probably air out all of his dirty laundry if even makes an effort to do so. That's the threat for every other sitting President who wants to make a big decision like this.

Saw some whispers of an Ulbricht pardon, though haven't seen anything come out of that yet.

[Cnut237]

I'm a bit disappointed Snowden wasn't pardoned.

Snowden is a hero and should definitely be pardoned. I'm disappointed but not remotely surprised that the Democrats are remaining silent on the matter. How any of his actions can be construed as criminal is utterly beyond me.

[Gyfts]

I'm a bit disappointed Snowden wasn't pardoned.

Snowden is a hero and should definitely be pardoned. I'm disappointed but not remotely surprised that the Democrats are remaining silent on the matter. How any of his actions can be construed as criminal is utterly beyond me.

It's probably more than a democratic issue honestly. Republicans are not whistlerblower friendly considering a lot of conservatives are cozied up with the intel community and CIA/NSA. No DC politician is pro whistler blower except for maybe Tulsi Gabbard.

[squatz1]

I'm a bit disappointed Snowden wasn't pardoned.

Snowden is a hero and should definitely be pardoned. I'm disappointed but not remotely surprised that the Democrats are remaining silent on the matter. How any of his actions can be construed as criminal is utterly beyond me.

It's probably more than a democratic issue honestly. Republicans are not whistlerblower friendly considering a lot of conservatives are cozied up with the intel community and CIA/NSA. No DC politician is pro whistler blower except for maybe Tulsi Gabbard.

Oh yeah this is totally NOT A Republican/Democrat issue in the least. This is a big government / nanny state issue. Rand Paul is someone who I know who is lobbying President Trump to pardon Snowden, Assange, etc.

This is a big government surveillance state against the rest of the people. Not a right vs left issue that some will try to make it out to be.

[Pizzalover420]

Will he try to pardon himself??

Why? He didn't do anything wrong. Allegedly. Nor did any of his family members or family pets like Giuliani. Surely he wouldn't be pardoning them for no reason.

No, I would not bet any money on that LOL.

Did not do anything wrong? he raped over 30 women. Counterfeited over $10.5 trillion alone this year that we know of.

[suchmoon]

LULZ: https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/23/politics/trump-pardons-stone-manafort-kushner/index.html

That's Kushner senior in case you don't want to click the link.

[squatz1]

Trump has pardoned another 26 people tonight, currently not sure on what the list of people is though it includes full pardons for:

Stone, Manafort, Charles Kushner(Kushners Dad), George Papadopoulos, former US congressman Chris Collins, and the four Blackwater guards involved in the Iraq massacre, Alex van der Zwaan, the Dutch lawyer who was sentenced to 30 days in jail after pleading guilty to lying to Mueller investigators; two Border Patrol agents convicted in 2006 of shooting and wounding an unarmed undocumented immigrant and then covering it up; and several people convicted of non-violent drug crimes serving lengthy sentences.


Source - https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/23/politics/trump-pardons-stone-manafort-kushner/index.html - Used some quotes from them in the above ^

LULZ: https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/23/politics/trump-pardons-stone-manafort-kushner/index.html

That's Kushner senior in case you don't want to click the link.

EDIT for after my post: LOL, yeah just posted this shortly after you did. Crazy. Can't wait to see who the last minute people include.

[PrimeNumber7]

Don't you have to be charged with some sort of crime to pardon yourself?

No. There are no limits to the pardon power, except that only the President can issue a pardon for crimes against the United States (Federal crimes). After the Civil War was over, President Johnson pardoned all the confederate soldiers in order to heal the country.

Will he try to pardon himself??

Why? He didn't do anything wrong. Allegedly. Nor did any of his family members or family pets like Giuliani. Surely he wouldn't be pardoning them for no reason.

Trump and his associates will likely be prosecuted for political reasons by the next administration, especially those associated with Harris. A pardon would preempt those political prosecutions.

[Juggy777]

I just read an article which says that Trump is planning to give a pardon to Saudi Prince, and the first thing that came to my mind was is this the pardon for the khashoggi murder, but it turns out that this pardon is for a planned murder attempt on Saad Aljabri.

It’s pertinent to note that the attempt never took place, but yet Saad Aljabri had filed a case against the crown prince, and now if Trump does gives the Prince a pardon he’ll make him look guilty of this crime . What do you’ll think will the crown prince get the pardon or he won’t?.

Source:
 
https://thehill.com/policy/international/middle-east-north-africa/531414-trump-administration-considering-immunity-for

[KingScorpio]

I thought this would be a good thread ....because you know, he's just getting started.

Will he try to pardon himself??
The next 30 days will be interesting.

he did nothing wrong, and all those contractors where confronted with a disgusting environment,

some afghans begged the US to bring them a democracy. and have put the army into afghanistan where they where confronted by suicide bombers etc.

if you chase down everyone for the human rights abuses of anyone your won't get rid of a single bad guy, because life isn't about good and evil its about various ideas, concepts and tribes fighting against each other for acces to consumption capacities and power.

[squatz1]

I just read an article which says that Trump is planning to give a pardon to Saudi Prince, and the first thing that came to my mind was is this the pardon for the khashoggi murder, but it turns out that this pardon is for a planned murder attempt on Saad Aljabri.

It’s pertinent to note that the attempt never took place, but yet Saad Aljabri had filed a case against the crown prince, and now if Trump does gives the Prince a pardon he’ll make him look guilty of this crime . What do you’ll think will the crown prince get the pardon or he won’t?.

Source:
 
https://thehill.com/policy/international/middle-east-north-africa/531414-trump-administration-considering-immunity-for

Not going to touch on the actual topic itself, though they're considering giving immunity to him from a civil lawsuit which is going through the courts now. Not a pardon or anything like that because a pardon does nothing for someone that committed a crime in another country as they can't be prosecuted for their crimes in the US anyway.

Don't you have to be charged with some sort of crime to pardon yourself?

No. There are no limits to the pardon power, except that only the President can issue a pardon for crimes against the United States (Federal crimes). After the Civil War was over, President Johnson pardoned all the confederate soldiers in order to heal the country.

Will he try to pardon himself??

Why? He didn't do anything wrong. Allegedly. Nor did any of his family members or family pets like Giuliani. Surely he wouldn't be pardoning them for no reason.

Trump and his associates will likely be prosecuted for political reasons by the next administration, especially those associated with Harris. A pardon would preempt those political prosecutions.

Don't you have to accept responsibility for the actions that they're pardoning for to actually be pardoned? Which is pretty much accepting guilt for the crime that you're accused of, even if it's completely wiped off your record anyway.

Biden has signaled that he won't be using the DOJ to attack Trump, though It'd be understandable tot think that Trump does not trust that in the least.

[BADecker]

There is only one way Biden can possibly take the office of the presidency January 20. That's if Trump pardons him.

[PrimeNumber7]

Don't you have to accept responsibility for the actions that they're pardoning for to actually be pardoned? Which is pretty much accepting guilt for the crime that you're accused of, even if it's completely wiped off your record anyway.

Not quite.

If you are pardoned for a crime, you can no longer be convicted for said crime. This means you are no longer protected by the 5th amendment against being forced to testify against yourself. It is possible for someone to not recognize a pardon in order to not have to testify about their own involvement in illegal activity.

Accepting a pardon often implies the person is guilty. There are times in which this is not the case, for example, if additional evidence is made public that shows a person is innocent, but they cannot use this evidence because of a legal technicality.

[Natsuu]

I thought this would be a good thread ....because you know, he's just getting started.

Will he try to pardon himself??
The next 30 days will be interesting.

I don't think he can pardon himself, as much as he pardons others from criminal charges, unlawful behavior, etc.

This would be entertaining for all of us, as we see this man struggles for something.

And those supporters who blindly support him would be also fun to watch in the side.