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December 23, 2020, 09:34:51 PM |
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Honestly I'd love to know if how long they are already holding, and is there a way to verify their holdings like an address where we can check and monitor if we want. These are big companies who believe in bitcoin's potential, so they'll hold, but the question is, are they are into "HODL" or "HOLD" only?
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December 23, 2020, 09:40:48 PM |
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I don't know why people are celebrating this? I think this is a pretty bad thing which should stop as soon as possible. In the lure of getting higher prices what we people are not realizing is that these companies are just mine bombs. If a single company like Grayscale decides to sell up all their crypto investments or leave all even if they decide to sell 10% of their total investments together the price would go to ruins? Aren't we hampering the sole purpose of bitcoin that is it's decentralization? We all know that how these corporates have always manipulated the fiat world I don't know why people are happy giving them the key to manipulating the crypto world too.
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December 23, 2020, 09:44:06 PM |
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Let them hold as much as they want... Less bitcoin in circulation means higher prices... Also, i'm not sure if an exchange actually legally "owns" the coins in their hot and cold wallets... I guess legally they belong to their clients, eventough the exchange has complete controll over them them
There should be at least some classification an actual company that really holds and own their coins and to those platforms that do owns but those came from their users.Its a different category so there should be some separate list to avoid confusions but for the sake of demonstration of numbers then having this infographic isnt a bad show either. Letting them hold as much as they can could really make less coin in circulation which would really result into higher or valuable price but we know on what would be the con's out of this is on when these companies to decide to release their stashes. They would really be giving out some significant impact on the entire market but if these companies are holding for long term then this shouldnt really be a problem FOR NOW.I think the purpose of the chart is just to have an idea how much btc they have. Though the numbers maybe just approximate as we don't know exactly the numbers, still good to know how much these private companies are holding. But we don't know also if they are selling some of their holdings. We will not know that info unless, they will divulge it to the public. We don't know also their btc addresses to verify such claims.
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December 23, 2020, 09:55:07 PM |
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Those companies sees the importance of Bitcoin and don’t want to be left behind and honestly, this is one of my reason why I loved Bitcoin that much because it is being supported by many companies. I know that some are still afraid that those companies might control Bitcoin but since this is a decentralized market, no matter how big their holdings are they can’t still control the market.
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December 23, 2020, 09:55:30 PM |
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not a small amount, 10k bitcoins are held by institutions, of course they are not just buying, they believe bitcoin in the future, maybe the price of Bitcoin will be more than $ 100k, and it can happen I would say "amazing! '.
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December 23, 2020, 10:02:33 PM |
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Its amazing seeing this kind of statistics on how many bitcoin an entity owns and with what i see now coupled with its value, its really huge and with more and more companies looking to invest mean while, we are struggling to own even 1BTC. This lives me to wonder why as a bitcoin enthusiast, any user here wont have some volume of bitcoin! Any user here who has been around for a while and doesn't have a few bitcoin isn't really supposed to be here. Having an accurate statistics on companies such as these and watching them closely could give you an idea on how to trade the Bitcoin pair market because, these are market movers. Its just my speculation though.
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December 23, 2020, 10:26:46 PM |
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A holding game for most of us. If these big companies are holding then we should do the same. We'll get to notice if they will start dumping it at once, the price will definitely react. But as of the moment, while most of them holds, we should also accumulate while they do. The supply in the circulation are getting lesser this time because they're also competing to take most of the newly minted coins and they are on a "keep on buying" process. Honestly I'd love to know if how long they are already holding, and is there a way to verify their holdings like an address where we can check and monitor if we want. These are big companies who believe in bitcoin's potential, so they'll hold, but the question is, are they are into "HODL" or "HOLD" only?
They are not on the rich list because the highest that I've seen is 168k bitcoins on 99bitcoins. I don't understand the difference of hodl and hold, they're the same right or what's the context with that quote?
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December 24, 2020, 05:41:17 AM |
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not a small amount, 10k bitcoins are held by institutions, of course they are not just buying, they believe bitcoin in the future, maybe the price of Bitcoin will be more than $ 100k, and it can happen I would say "amazing! '.
Definitely, they are also buying bitcoin as an hedge as well, and what better to put your money in an asset like bitcoin that will give you x amount of returns in like 1-3 years. And I would say that this companies really knows the advantage of having bitcoin in their portfolio. That's why the whole narrative of bitcoin has change dramatically after the pandemic scare that pull the price to $3k. Now institutions are seeing bitcoin as the best asset, although still very volatile and speculative, but historically, the success rate of bitcoin is very high.
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December 24, 2020, 06:39:37 AM |
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It's so good that Bitcoin is getting so much mainstream and public and government attention which it deserves. Quite recently Elon Musk even posted a meme featuring Bitcoin as seducing lmao, and I'm quite sure one day Tesla will itself provide its employees salary through Bitcoin I am afraid that the huge demand from companies and institutional investor will make it harder for the ordinary guy to invest in bitcoins. I mean für everyone who has already a big portfolio or is mining coins himself it's good news. But for people who want to get into bitcoins at the moment, it's getting more and more expensive. This is not impossible to happen as more and more companies are starting hold Bitcoin, the supplies are getting scarce. The price of Bitcoin had climbed up several companies just a few months ago started accumulating Bitcoin since they are starting to see it's potential long-term. This will start to become a hoarding game, as more companies are starting to buy bulks of Bitcoin for long-term purposes.
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December 24, 2020, 08:01:17 AM |
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Good thing, isn't it? Though most of them are companies that are associated with blockchain and crypto currencies, I do see some that are regular companies. I assume MicroStrategy is one of them right? And shouldn't paypal be in the list too since it is "paypal" that is holding the coins not their users. At least those companies know that holding bitcoin is going to be a huge benefit for them and knows the future is going to give them huge profits.
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December 24, 2020, 09:04:24 AM |
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I don't know why people are celebrating this? I think this is a pretty bad thing which should stop as soon as possible. In the lure of getting higher prices what we people are not realizing is that these companies are just mine bombs. If a single company like Grayscale decides to sell up all their crypto investments or leave all even if they decide to sell 10% of their total investments together the price would go to ruins? Aren't we hampering the sole purpose of bitcoin that is it's decentralization? We all know that how these corporates have always manipulated the fiat world I don't know why people are happy giving them the key to manipulating the crypto world too.
That's assuming that they actually own 100% of those Bitcoins instead of just holding those Bitcoins for the users. Also, it's not like Bitcoin would die. Bitcoin has been tested countless of times so you should know that Bitcoin is resilient. Well in the future (probably 20 years or so?), we really don't have to worry much because I'm pretty sure that Bitcoin would be spread across different users by that time.
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December 24, 2020, 12:33:04 PM |
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Let them hold as much as they want... Less bitcoin in circulation means higher prices... Also, i'm not sure if an exchange actually legally "owns" the coins in their hot and cold wallets... I guess legally they belong to their clients, eventough the exchange has complete controll over them them
We can discuss whether something is actually mine if someone else has the absolute control to deny it to me at any time for any reason. If we were to conclude that the real owner of BTC is the one who has control over the private keys, then it is clear who is the real owner and who just thinks he is the owner. As far as I know all these big companies keep their BTC in custodial wallets, and I think some don't even have another choice because it has to be that way by law. I hope they understand how much risk there is, and that it's not the same to store crypto and fiat - stolen/lost BTC can't just (or at all) be replaced.
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December 24, 2020, 01:50:22 PM |
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I don't know why people are celebrating this? I think this is a pretty bad thing which should stop as soon as possible. In the lure of getting higher prices what we people are not realizing is that these companies are just mine bombs. If a single company like Grayscale decides to sell up all their crypto investments or leave all even if they decide to sell 10% of their total investments together the price would go to ruins? Aren't we hampering the sole purpose of bitcoin that is it's decentralization? We all know that how these corporates have always manipulated the fiat world I don't know why people are happy giving them the key to manipulating the crypto world too.
That's assuming that they actually own 100% of those Bitcoins instead of just holding those Bitcoins for the users. Also, it's not like Bitcoin would die. Bitcoin has been tested countless of times so you should know that Bitcoin is resilient. Well in the future (probably 20 years or so?), we really don't have to worry much because I'm pretty sure that Bitcoin would be spread across different users by that time. Oh yeah they are holding it for users? How convenient does it sounds to you? You know they all have their servers and locations in countries like Cayman Islands which are popular for making anyone immune. One vulnerability in any of the system of these companies could mean a big disaster. Moreover the countless tests you mentioned were when we didn't had much of an adoption. Moreover 10 years is too young of an age for any security it has seen merely one major low after a mass adoption.
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December 24, 2020, 02:16:23 PM |
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There will be more and more companies will hold bitcoin as their alternative investment, since bitcoin touch it's new ATH it will bring more attention to other companies. I cant wait what will happen to bitcoin in the next year. but since companies hold big amount of bitcoins we will face big dump later if they decide to sell all their bitcoins and we will need time to recover from that.
I don't see these "companies" that you're talking about will be selling their Btc's at this current price range. If you're aware, institutional investors are coming in to the market, and that means crypto investors are gradually rising each and every year, as well as Bitcoin has been rising every year. So, why would you be afraid of the dump? When in the first place, Btc has always been dumped from the past after a huge run.
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December 24, 2020, 04:32:44 PM |
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World top some company Holding 10000+ Bitcoin ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FDvY8N6N.jpg&t=665&c=-4W3MJmCFcRnKA) This is pretty amazing because if more and more companies are going to invest in Bitcoin like aquiring thousands of em I think that is bad news for the ordinary people because it will soon be so expensive to buy just a fraction. Supply is getting scarce and price will soon explode.
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December 24, 2020, 05:05:28 PM |
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I would have to say it is both good and bad. I can't lean on just one side because it is not really just one sided deal, it has its great deals but it has bad stuff with it as well. The bad part is obvious, giving this much power over to some companies would mean that they could change the price however they want whenever they want, they could dump all the coins they have and the price would go down more than half, which I assume they realize and would probably do OTC part by part instead of doing it all on market price but it is still risky to give this much power over bitcoin price to some companies.
The good part is different though, the good part is that this is proof that big companies are interested in bitcoin as well and we always wanted mass adoption didn't we? This is the right step towards those days where billionaires are interested in bitcoin.
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December 24, 2020, 05:45:06 PM |
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They already realize its potential long time ago now they are more open about their investments and bragging their holdings. Next year more and more companies will begin to bag their crypto investments, companies are now fomoing far from 2017 pump.
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December 24, 2020, 07:19:39 PM |
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Let them hold as much as they want... Less bitcoin in circulation means higher prices... Also, i'm not sure if an exchange actually legally "owns" the coins in their hot and cold wallets... I guess legally they belong to their clients, eventough the exchange has complete controll over them them
a pattern like this is clear. it is impossible if each platform does not have specific clients to play with their assets. this is part of maintaining the exchange platform to become a competitor in the market. even when there is some kind of massive increase in crypto, say crypto A, which suddenly exceeds 100% of the volume, there is often maintenance. in fact, it gave their clients ample scope to make huge profits under the pretext of undergoing system maintenance.
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December 24, 2020, 07:30:04 PM |
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If Grayscale is on the list, then why not Coinbase and every other centralized exchange? Coinbase holds close to 1 million bitcoins, other exchange hold over a hundred thousand coins. But still we can see that the vast majority of coins is held by private holders. So, in case someone is worried that Bitcoin's supply becomes more centralized, it's still to early to worry about that, especially since Bitcoin is so divisible, and it's not a PoS system.
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December 24, 2020, 07:42:29 PM |
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There will be more and more companies will hold bitcoin as their alternative investment, since bitcoin touch it's new ATH it will bring more attention to other companies. I cant wait what will happen to bitcoin in the next year. but since companies hold big amount of bitcoins we will face big dump later if they decide to sell all their bitcoins and we will need time to recover from that.
the decisions they took were brilliant (making Bitcoin an back-up of company assets/funds). they must have started buying Bitcoin a long time ago, it's not easy to make a decision like this. going forward we will definitely see more and more companies that make Bitcoin as a fund/asset for the future of their company..
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