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January 24, 2021, 04:14:42 AM
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You're right -- you didn't mention law enforcement shootings. You just mentioned some irrelevant bullshit about white supremacy and police which is more of the leftist fan fiction you use to justify looting a target or burning an apartment building.

Acleddata is a leftwing propaganda group that can't even get basic facts right, see here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5308781.msg56149662#msg56149662

But please do answer me what methodology they use to quantify these protests, and what objective method they use to categorize something as violent. And by violence, how do they differentiate between the severity of violence? Where do they get that data from? Do police departments disclose the amount of resources used at riots to quantify the violence to Acledata? How do they objectively verify how many violent participators are at these events?

I'm sure you have answers to zero of these questions because you couldn't think that far enough. Just slapping a link down and hoping I wouldn't notice, hilarious.

You post a link to thread where you fail to provide a single source or credible citation for your claims against the ACLED. Your word vomit proves nothing without sources. If you weren't too much of a lazy brain to read the link I "slapped down", you would already have the answers you claim I can't provide. If I spoon feed it to you, I doubt you'll actually read it. Even IF you read it, you'll just shift your argument anyways. I shouldn't bother, but here you go. Here is something you could have easily read yourself if you had more than an 8th grade learning curve:

"What is ACLED’s relationship to Princeton University? The ​US Crisis Monitor ​is a joint project of ACLED and BDI. Through this project, ACLED is able to extend its global methodology to conduct data collection for the US, making real-time data available for public use, while BDI is able to ​use these data to identify emerging risks and to inform and motivate policy and programming discussions within its civil society​ network.

ACLED and BDI are both independent and non-partisan, and the US Crisis Monitor is dedicated to providing objective information. The ​US Crisis Monitor​is guided by the belief that transparent, independent, credible data on political violence and demonstrations can improve decision-making and policies, enhance peace building, and ultimately facilitate efforts to track, prevent, and mitigate violence. For these reasons, we are committed to making all data, analysis, methodology, tools, and resources publicly available. At the same time, we recognize that data, statistics, and analysis can be misinterpreted and manipulated towards political or other ends, in turn fueling conflict, harmful or incorrect narratives, and even violence. The ​US Crisis Monitor takes these risks extremely seriously and will work to ensure that materials made available through the project do no harm (in so far as it is within our power to control), and that principles and approaches of conflict sensitivity are adhered to strictly.

ACLED includes events of police brutality where the details conform to our global standards of political violence. Such events are coded as ‘Event type’ ​Violence against civilians, ​‘Sub-event type’ Attack,​ with police forces and civilians coded as the two primary actors. Violent policing is often particularly excessive towards select groups in the US, but much of this policing is within the bounds of the law​— and these bounds can vary, with different levels of protections extended to law enforcement by state legislatures, in addition to the federal government. As such, only police engagements that are explicitly ​outside​ of established legal parameters are included, however unfair the existing constraints on police behavior maybe. In practice, this means that the following types of events are the only ones categorized as such: (1) events in which an individual was not engaging in a crime, yet was seriously hurt or killed, (2) events in which an individual was (assumed to be) engaging in a crime though was visibly unarmed, yet was seriously hurt or killed; or (3) events in which an individual was in pursuit of a crime and was seriously hurt or killed, but without evidence that the suspect in question posed a risk based on subsequent reports.

ACLED does not record all instances of violence. For example, criminal violence, defined as violence that is motivated by personal or purely criminal motives, is excluded from the ACLED dataset. Some mass shooting events fall into this category. Violence that takes place in the private sphere, such as domestic or interpersonal violence, is also not recorded in the ACLED dataset, even when these events could have wider repercussions among the public. Similarly, events that are categorized as standard police enforcement are excluded from ACLED’s coverage. These typically include incidents where law enforcement agencies appear to have used violence within the bounds of the legal constraints on their activity, either in reaction to an attempt on the life of a police officer or otherwise in the presence of a threat. Finally, ACLED only captures events that are reported to have actually occurred. As such, ACLED Researchers do not record threats of violence or intimidation. Non-physical violence, such as online or cyber-violence, is also outside of the scope of ACLED’s data capture and mandate.

Please note: ACLED does not collect ‘big data’ or personally identifiable information about individual participants in any of the events that fall within our catchment. Data collection is specifically restricted to the dates, groups, locations, fatalities, and types of political violence and demonstration events.

ACLED defines political violence as the use of force by a group with a political purpose or motivation. ACLED records political violence through its constituent events, the intent of which is to produce a comprehensive overview of all forms of political disorder, expressed through violence and demonstrations, within and across states. A politically violent event is a single altercation where force is used by one or more groups toward a political end. ACLED employs this definition of political violence in every country we cover. It is a core component of the established global methodology.

In addition to political violence events, ACLED also codes both non-violent and violent demonstration events. Demonstrations include events coded with ‘Event Type’ Protests, which in turn encompasses three specific sub-types that appear as ‘Sub-event Types’ in the data: Peaceful protest, Protest with intervention, and Excessive force against protesters. Events coded with ‘Event Type’ Riots include sub-event type Violent demonstration.

ACLED codes all physical congregations of three or more people (single-person demonstrations are not coded) as a demonstration when they are directed against a political entity, government institution, policy, group or individual, tradition or event, businesses, or other private institutions. This includes demonstrations affiliated with an organization (e.g. NAACP), a movement (e.g. Black Lives Matter), or a political party (e.g. Republicans), as well as those affiliated with identity groups (e.g. LGBT, women, Native Americans). Whenever such salient identities exist, they will be coded as an ‘Associated Actor’ to the respective primary actor (for more on coding decisions, see the ACLED Codebook). In addition, ACLED also codes demonstrations around a certain topic, even if not associated with a specific identity group or organization (e.g. against climate change, anti-vaxxers, COVID-19 restrictions, etc.).

Given the above-outlined definition, political or party rallies, town hall meetings, and caucuses are not coded as ‘demonstrations’ by ACLED, as they reflect regular political activity by members of political organizations, civil society, and the general public. ACLED covers the occurrence of events, not the absence of action; this means that physical congregations of people are coded, while a labor strike where workers stay at home is not (though significantly large strikes would be captured by ACLED as ‘Strategic developments’). Symbolic public acts are also not coded as ‘demonstrations’ — such as displays of flags, putting up a sign in one’s yard, written chalk messages on sidewalks, a congressional walkout, etc. Additionally, vigils that are not intended to manifest any protest message also do not fulfill ACLED’s requirements for inclusion."

Officers that took place in the violence were arrested, but so far there isn't evidence that off duty officers participated in violence. 900k police officers in the US, yes, I'm sure one or two were at the riots. Doesn't mean they participated.

I never said they participated in violence. I said the off duty officers breached the capitol building. Once again putting your shitty reading skills on display for people to see. HILARIOUS.

And...? Who cares? 74 million Trump voters. You found a few racists, congrats. Would you like a medal? Plenty of felons, sex offenders, so on, at BLM protests, I'm sure if I wasted time I could give you a laundry list of them that were arrested during BLM riots.

That's funny, because out of the millions of anti-police brutality protestors this last year I never saw ONE nazi flag. Not one. According to your genius law of averages, there should have been a couple. Or at least ONE confederate battle flag. But there were none. Weird huh? So the real question is, why would you support a political figure who draws out the only people in America waving those symbols? Why would you enter the capitol building alongside those types of people, even if it is only "a few"? Racists are one thing, but I make it a general rule not to support any cause or event if it draws the support of even one Nazi. But hey Gyfts, I see where you set YOUR standards.

You keep labeling me "leftist" but know nothing about me. I do not affiliate with partisan politics, and actually registered republican to vote for Ron Paul when he ran (fuck Rand Paul). You are clearly brainwashed by partisan media. I'm not going to address your other points because your opinions are deflective, played out and cyclical. You clearly can't even read. I hope I never meet you or anyone like you. Have fun screaming into the void, I give up trying to shake sense into you.
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January 24, 2021, 10:57:01 AM
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I already tried explaining to him what the ACLED was.  Guess I failed.

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January 25, 2021, 01:49:53 AM
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You post a link to thread where you fail to provide a single source or credible citation for your claims against the ACLED.

The ACLED blatantly lied about the Breonna Taylor shooting and the Ahmaud Arbery shooting and I describe in detail how they get it wrong. The report was in regards to BLM violence so why should I take them seriously about anything if they can't get the facts right?

If you want sources for the Breonna Taylor situation, go look to the KY Attorney General press conference - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eo5EUG7P2bw

Ahmaud Arbery you can find CCTV footage of him strolling through a construction site with a 911 call reporting him. Would you like a link?

you would already have the answers you claim I can't provide. If I spoon feed it to you, I doubt you'll actually read it. Even IF you read it, you'll just shift your argument anyways. I shouldn't bother, but here you go. Here is something you could have easily read yourself if you had more than an 8th grade learning curve

You're right, I won't read it, because it's full of shit which is why you're afraid to answer any of my questions directly. They don't use objective methodology at all. If they do, provide me the exact answers to my questions. I'll even make it easy and put them in a neat list.

1.) What objective method do they use to categorize something as violent. (Someone spitting on someone is violence, someone committing a mass shooting is violence. Does their model differentiate these two events, and in what way?
2.) How do they differentiate between the severity of violence?
3.) Where do they get that data from?
4.) Do police departments disclose the amount of resources used at riots to quantify the violence to Acledata?
5.) How do they objectively verify how many violent participators are at these events?
6.) Does a protest in a small town that resulted in no violence scale appropriately to a riot in Portland or Minneapolis? Or are they equal in weight?

I look forward to you dodging all of these questions while thinking of some petty insult as a diversion so at least be creative and make me laugh.


I never said they participated in violence. I said the off duty officers breached the capitol building. Once again putting your shitty reading skills on display for people to see. HILARIOUS.

If they didn't engage in violence stop crying about it. If they did something illegal, they will face consequences. 900K cops in the US, yes, one or two could have participated.

That's funny, because out of the millions of anti-police brutality protestors this last year I never saw ONE nazi flag. Not one. According to your genius law of averages, there should have been a couple.

No, you just saw Targets being looted and apartment buildings lit on fire. Are you pretending as if the US did not see the worst riots in history resulting in 2 billion dollars worth of damage? And you draw the line at a Nazi flag and not a burning building?

You keep labeling me "leftist" but know nothing about me. I do not affiliate with partisan politics, and actually registered republican to vote for Ron Paul when he ran (fuck Rand Paul). You are clearly brainwashed by partisan media.


Well, it's one of two things -- you are a leftist or you are mentally deranged. Perhaps the two are not mutually exclusive.

I'm not going to address your other points because your opinions are deflective, played out and cyclical.

Never mind, you are a leftist.
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January 25, 2021, 02:14:52 AM
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You're right, I won't read it, because it's full of shit which is why you're afraid to answer any of my questions directly. They don't use objective methodology at all. If they do, provide me the exact answers to my questions. I'll even make it easy and put them in a neat list.

1.) What objective method do they use to categorize something as violent. (Someone spitting on someone is violence, someone committing a mass shooting is violence. Does their model differentiate these two events, and in what way?
2.) How do they differentiate between the severity of violence?
3.) Where do they get that data from?
4.) Do police departments disclose the amount of resources used at riots to quantify the violence to Acledata?
5.) How do they objectively verify how many violent participators are at these events?
6.) Does a protest in a small town that resulted in no violence scale appropriately to a riot in Portland or Minneapolis? Or are they equal in weight?

I look forward to you dodging all of these questions while thinking of some petty insult as a diversion so at least be creative and make me laugh.

Did you forget I already showed you where to find the answers?  Or are you really asking someone to read it for you and then write up a report?

Because it's a terrible take to assign arbitrary percentages

They aren't arbitrary percentages.  The ACLED is transparent in their methodology and explain it in excruciating detail. https://acleddata.com/acleddatanew/wp-content/uploads/dlm_uploads/2020/10/ACLED_USAMethodology_2020.pdf

Every different type of event, how they code it, what the definition of 'violence' is, what makes something an 'protest', 'counter protest' or 'riot' or 'demonstration', how the data is collected, what tools they use, all of the raw data itself - all of it is public.  

Seems like you're intentionally making it difficult to continue the discussion. 

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You're linking me to walls of text instead of directly answering the question because you know very well that you couldn't answer the questions alone, and the reason is because they're using arbitrary data collection methods. It's impossible to assign some random percentage to the violence of the BLM riots that went on through the summer. You can't objectively quantify violence lmao. At best you could attach a body count which is something like 35 people dead over the span of the BLM riots.

Second point, it's already a bizarre metric to take all the BLM protests and create a ratio of violent/non-violent protests. It's like taking the ratio of OJ Simpson stabbing someone/not stabbing someone and declaring that OJ Simpson is a 99.99 percent peaceful man. It's ridiculous, and it's no surprise this joke of an organization stated two blatant falsehoods about Breonna Taylor and Ahmaud Arbery. Forgive me for not wasting my time and reading their data collection methods that's 20 pages long.

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January 25, 2021, 03:21:37 AM
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If you are a trump supporter you are most likely someone who still believes in his lies and tries to threaten the democracy.
I don’t think ppl has realized the severity of the actions he took at that capitol. This is really annoying and disgusting
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 trump supporter is the most disgusting thing ive ever heard my god
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You're linking me to walls of text instead of directly answering the question because you know very well that you couldn't answer the questions alone, and the reason is because they're using arbitrary data collection methods.

Cliffs:

You claimed ACLED uses arbitrary data collection methods.
I provide you with a link to the "ACLED Methodology and Coding Decisions around Political Violence and Demonstrations in the United States of America"
You refuse to read it.
You conclude that you were correct about them being arbitrary and I provided the link because I know you're right.


Forgive me for not wasting my time and reading their data collection methods that's 20 pages long.

Nothing wrong with not reading it, unless you're going to go around making claims about their data collection methods.

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January 25, 2021, 06:21:51 PM
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You're right, I won't read it.

And there it is folks. You want answers, but won't read the answers. There is no way for me to answer you directly without citing another source, that is how proving something works. You construct an impossible standard so that no one can change your opinion. Every single answer to those questions is in the "wall of text" you refuse to read. I'm starting to think you are a troll or an agent of dissent. Who do you work for Gyfts?
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Meanwhile Antifa keeps going crazy...



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Antifa rioters descended on Tacoma, Washington, starting fires and trashing buildings in outrage over viral video of a police officer driving his squad car through a crowd of illegal street racers.

Videos showed numerous fires and businesses smashed up late Sunday as at least 200 people took to the streets close to where the officer had sped through a crowd the previous night, running over at least one person.
Antifa rioters smash up Tacoma in rampage over cop driving through crowd

As peaceful as it gets.

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January 25, 2021, 06:38:15 PM
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Meanwhile Antifa keeps going crazy...

Antifa is not an organization, it a decentralized ideology. Antifacist Action is the name of one of the the small groups that were there if you want to actually be accurate. It was founded in the UK in 1985 and has no direct affiliation with other small groups founded in the USA that have the word "Antifacist" or "Antifa" as part of a longer name. What you and the main stream media don't seem to realize is that these protests/riots are comprised of many small groups with different names and agendas. Even though the people smashing police cars weren't the same people who were waving the Antifacist Action flag, the media puts "Antifa" in their headline because those titles have a high click rate. The people waving the Antifacist Action flag were seen pulling down barricades during this particular riot, if you wanna be accurate.
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January 25, 2021, 06:49:14 PM
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Meanwhile Antifa keeps going crazy...

Antifa is not an organization, it a decentralized ideology. Antifacist Action is the name of one of the the small groups that were there if you want to actually be accurate. It was founded in the UK in 1985 and has no direct affiliation with other small groups founded in the USA that have the word "Antifacist" or "Antifa" as part of a longer name. What you and the main stream media don't seem to realize is that these protests/riots are comprised of many small groups with different names and agendas.

There is some irony in Trump deciding that his followers will believe Antifa is to blame for all that is bad and he alone can protect them.  

But yeah, you aren't going to convince these guys that Antifa is anything other than what Trump said they are.

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January 25, 2021, 10:52:50 PM
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Meanwhile Antifa keeps going crazy...

Antifa is not an organization, it a decentralized ideology. Antifacist Action is the name of one of the the small groups that were there if you want to actually be accurate. It was founded in the UK in 1985 and has no direct affiliation with other small groups founded in the USA that have the word "Antifacist" or "Antifa" as part of a longer name. What you and the main stream media don't seem to realize is that these protests/riots are comprised of many small groups with different names and agendas.

There is some irony in Trump deciding that his followers will believe Antifa is to blame for all that is bad and he alone can protect them.  

But yeah, you aren't going to convince these guys that Antifa is anything other than what Trump said they are.

nothing like some old fashioned fascism to shut those ant fascists up!
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January 26, 2021, 02:16:31 AM
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...

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It's a form of gish gallop. The 20 page report doesn't have any of the answers to the questions I asked so it'd be easier just to tell me I'm being lazy...which I openly admit I am being completely lazy. The questions I asked can't be answered. It was to prove the point that you can't use a crystal ball to quantify all the violence objectively.

Nah, he's just a confused sig campaigner. His employer is in his signature space (as is mine for that matter except I don't get paid to post in this section).

haha, yes
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February 13, 2021, 11:16:01 PM
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https://www.bitchute.com/video/DYlb92zMkj41/

I suggest you to watch this one.

Was the capitol riot an orchestrated fake event?

Please don't come and spew shit without watching the video.

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February 14, 2021, 01:34:38 AM
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https://www.bitchute.com/video/DYlb92zMkj41/

I suggest you to watch this one.

Was the capitol riot an orchestrated fake event?

Please don't come and spew shit without watching the video.

Nope. Definitely not a fake event.

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February 14, 2021, 05:54:17 AM
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https://www.bitchute.com/video/DYlb92zMkj41/

I suggest you to watch this one.

Was the capitol riot an orchestrated fake event?

Please don't come and spew shit without watching the video.

I watched the vid.
Seriously dude? Are you that credulous?
Hey go watch some flat earth vids, you will be convinced, no doubt....

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February 14, 2021, 06:29:29 AM
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I watched the vid.
Seriously dude? Are you that credulous?
Hey go watch some flat earth vids, you will be convinced, no doubt....

Hey, don't insult flat-earthers. Their IQ might be at room temperature but they're real stable geniuses compared to qanonists. You could at least get a good laugh out of notbatman... these election conspiratards just paste random links.
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Last edit: February 14, 2021, 02:14:09 PM by Tash
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Trump's lawyer, giving plenty
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=el4O9pSpX6U&feature=youtu.be


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February 14, 2021, 02:51:10 PM
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They only changed some tweet's date and connected it to the Capitol riot and so WHAT? it isn't like they manufactured fake evidence! Go away pleb nothing to see here. The ministry of truth says this claim is disputed.

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