Pro-Trump rioters breach Capitol, forcing lockdown; one person shot...

[mindrust]

Pro-Trump rioters breach Capitol, forcing lockdown; one person shot; Pence evacuated, Senate chamber cleared out

WASHINGTON — Chaos erupted in the nation's capital as supporters of President Donald Trump swarmed the Capitol building, prompting Vice President Mike Pence to be swept to a secure location and the Senate chamber to be evacuated.

The Associated Press reported that one person was shot and taken to a hospital.

According to multiple media reports, the entire Washington, D.C., national guard has been activated.

Some serious shit happening there. I wonder how will it end. I think USA has just passed the point of no returns.

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[Gyfts]

I don't think the U.S. is on the path towards reconciliation and this was clear when Trump got elected in 2016. Trump is a symptom of the division and polarization, not the cause. The Trump supporters that stormed the building are akin to the radicals we saw in June that set buildings on fire so it is not better to be doing the same violent behavior that was universally condemned back in June from everyone on the right. Trump is responsible for riling up his rabid far right base, this should not have happened. From what I gather though, it does seem like democrats are slightly more enraged at the events taking place today than they were when BLM were mass looting and rioting for months straight resulting in 30+ people dead over the summer. To each their own, I guess.

I'm not too sure what the path forward is. I don't think the average far right Trump supporter is a conservative. They seem to have adopted their own brand of conservatism and created "Trumpism". This means you'll have politicians abandon conservative values and constitutional principles to appease the Trump base for their votes -- see Ted Cruz who nearly committed political suicide today which forced him to immediately tweet condemnations of the rioting. You can bet when he runs in 2024 he'll be asked why contested the election results which resulted in the US Capitol to be invaded. He'll have 3 years to think of an answer though.

2021 may not be it, 2022 here we come!

[Tzupy]

The mainstream media has normalized Antifa and BLM violence for months, and as I write this the protest has not been about looting, and settings things on fire.
What Democrats don't understand is that the mostly peaceful protest is not just about Trump, it's about having free and fair elections, it's about not becoming a banana republic.

[Tash]

More like invited in
https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/krx7yw/the_police_opened_the_gates_for_capitol_rioters/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

[Tzupy]

Some say that the ones who broke into the Capitol are not Trump supporters, but Antifa, disguised as Trump supporters. We'll probably never know the truth...

[Gyfts]

Some say that the ones who broke into the Capitol are not Trump supporters, but Antifa, disguised as Trump supporters. We'll probably never know the truth...

Yeah, the 45 year old balding white guys with beer bellies and breath that smells like miller lite were really just some 24 year old antifa punks. Let's be real, these were Trump supporters and people on the far right. I'm usually one to defend people on the right because they tend to be treated unfairly, but this entire charade is a dark day for Republicans and the country.

[Tzupy]

Some say that the ones who broke into the Capitol are not Trump supporters, but Antifa, disguised as Trump supporters. We'll probably never know the truth...

Yeah, the 45 year old balding white guys with beer bellies and breath that smells like miller lite were really just some 24 year old antifa punks. Let's be real, these were Trump supporters and people on the far right. I'm usually one to defend people on the right because they tend to be treated unfairly, but this entire charade is a dark day for Republicans and the country.

Why do you think all Antifa or BLM are young? The guy with horns is probably a BLM protester from Arizona...
Some people say the violence was triggered by the DC police, who may have been ordered to suddenly go hard on peaceful protesters.

Trump tweeted:
“I know your pain. I know you’re hurt. We had an election that was stolen from us. It was a landslide election and everyone knows it, especially the other side. But you have to go home now. We have to have peace. We have to have law and order. We have to respect our great people in law and order. We don’t want anybody hurt. It’s a very tough period of time. There’s never been a time like this where such a thing happened where they could take it away from all of us–from me, from you, from our country. This was a fraudulent election, but we can’t play into the hands of these people. We have to have peace. So go home. We love you. You’re very special. You’ve seen what happens. You see they way others are treated that are so bad and so evil. I know how you feel. But go home. And go home in peace.”

[suchmoon]

Some serious shit happening there. I wonder how will it end. I think USA has just passed the point of no returns.

There is not much to wonder about. Invading the Capitol building doesn't automatically grant the right to usurp power. Rioters will be pushed back, some arrests are likely, reinforcements will arrive, Congress will continue certifying the electoral college votes, and the party of "law and order" will continue its hypocrisy by supporting the wannabe dictator.

[theymos]

I totally called it: 

there will be a large number of pro-Trump armed protesters there. I suppose I could imagine them storming the capital, overwhelming the fairly weak police forces in and around D.C., and Trump intentionally not using his resources to stop them, so that they are able to actually disrupt the vote count. This could last for a few days, maybe, before the government apparatus including the military work together to arrest Trump for treason or whatever. Trump would eventually totally fail, but it would be a huge shock to the American psyche.

The D.C. police is notoriously weak, and it was well-known that armed protesters were going to flood the area, so this isn't surprising at all. And Trump is acting like a complete idiot, as usual. His statements (ie. almost supporting the violence) put him right on the line of having people actually be able to credibly come after him for treason, and there is no endgame whatsoever: it's all just self-destructive, childlike narcissism. A popular, competent, and/or well-connected leader would've had some chance of actually succeeding in a coup, or maybe exploiting the confusion to get sufficient public support to stay in power. But Trump is neither popular, nor competent, nor well-connected, and he's a few more stupid words away from the point where the National Guard of the surrounding states are going to come in and arrest him.

I'm no Trump hater -- the Russiagate stuff was nonsense, and grading on a curve I'd say that Trump's presidency has been pretty good --, but he's clearly lost his mind, and Republican politicians who continue to go along with him are committing political suicide. Trump formed a strong, loyal coalition among evangelicals, economic conservatives, social conservatives, the working class, and nutcases, but now all but the nutcases have abandoned him. He no longer has a strong, useful base that politicians should covet. Someone needs to make an image macro of that scene from that Batman movie where Bane is "crashing this plane with no survivors", and he sacrifices one of his own minions; replace the minion's face with Ted Cruz, and Bane's with Trump's.

I think USA has just passed the point of no returns.

US politics is on a trajectory that is unsustainable and will eventually collapse, but I think that this is more of a symptom of that than anything that will change that trajectory one way or another. It will have a major impact on politics, but things will be mostly back to normal in a few months. This won't actually disrupt Biden taking power or anything.

The longer this lasts, the worse things will be for Trump and Republicans. But even if Trump literally throws his support behind an armed coup (which will inevitably fail), it won't be the end of the Republican party forever or anything.

[franky1]

ok so trump requested his fangirls to walk into capital hill and mess with the process.,

well lets translate this to the idiots

trump ordered his warriors to invade capital hill. one of his warriors got shot.
so the question is will trump give that woman a warriors funeral and compensate the family

now lets explain this in normal english
trumps actions caused a womans death via his orders. will trump take responsibility. or will he denounce his association with his fangirl.
will he blame her and say he had nothing to do with it.
will he destroy his own loyal fanbase just to avoid taking personal responsibility for his actions

what you will find out is trump will not take responsibility for his actions. yes he asked people to risk their own health and life and criminal record. but after trump gets the chaos he wants he will hide from responsibility. leaving his fans to fend for themselves alone. being arrested, charged, or worse shot. and trump wont even help them

trump is not your friend he does not care about you.he just cares about create chaos at your expense
dont risk your life or possible future criminal record on a guy that wont take responsibility

[Tzupy]

ok so trump requested his fangirls to walk into capital hill and mess with the process.,

well lets translate this to the idiots

trump ordered his warriors to invade capital hill. one of his warriors got shot.
so the question is will trump give that woman a warriors funeral and compensate the family

now lets explain this in normal english
trumps actions caused a womans death via his orders. will trump take responsibility. or will he denounce his association with his fangirl.
will he blame her and say he had nothing to do with it.
will he destroy his own loyal fanbase just to avoid taking personal responsibility for his actions

what you will find out is trump will not take responsibility for his actions. yes he asked people to risk their own health and life and criminal record. but after trump gets the chaos he wants he will hide from responsibility. leaving his fans to fend for themselves alone. being arrested, charged, or worse shot. and trump wont even help them

trump is not your friend he does not care about you.he just cares about create chaos at your expense
dont risk your life or possible future criminal record on a guy that wont take responsibility

Oathbreakers killed an unarmed woman. Stop blaming Trump for her death. When some criminal got killed by the police, there were riots, and Democrats endorsed those.

[franky1]

Oathbreakers killed an unarmed woman. Stop blaming Trump for her death. When some criminal got killed by the police, there were riots, and Democrats endorsed those.

she went there under trumps orders.in military. if your killed under orders of your chief. you get a military funeral and your family get compensation..

lets see if trump acts as a chief. or as a denier

[Tzupy]

Oathbreakers killed an unarmed woman. Stop blaming Trump for her death. When some criminal got killed by the police, there were riots, and Democrats endorsed those.

she went there under trumps orders.in military. if your killed under orders of your chief. you get a military funeral and your family get compensation..

lets see if trump acts as a chief. or as a denier

Trump's orders? What are you smoking? I should probably mean what are you watching... Trump didn't tell anyone to storm the Capitol.
People were pissed off by VP Pence's betrayal, plus the harassment by the DC police. The situation escalated suspiciously quickly.

[Tzupy]

“I know your pain. I know you’re hurt. We had an election that was stolen from us. It was a landslide election and everyone knows it, especially the other side. But you have to go home now. We have to have peace. We have to have law and order. We have to respect our great people in law and order. We don’t want anybody hurt. It’s a very tough period of time. There’s never been a time like this where such a thing happened where they could take it away from all of us–from me, from you, from our country. This was a fraudulent election, but we can’t play into the hands of these people. We have to have peace. So go home. We love you. You’re very special. You’ve seen what happens. You see they way others are treated that are so bad and so evil. I know how you feel. But go home. And go home in peace.”

Later today both Facebook and Twitter DELETED the President’s call for peace.

[PrimeNumber7]

This nonsense should be condemned in the strongest way possible.

I can't say that I am surprised though. The credibility of enforcing the law was lost over the summer when BLM rioters were allowed to riot and loot without consequence. There were too many irregularities in the election for Trump supporters to believe the election was fair.

If you don't want this kind of nonsense, both sides should play by the rules.

[franky1]

“I know your pain. I know you’re hurt. We had an election that was stolen from us. It was a landslide election and everyone knows it, especially the other side. But you have to go home now. We have to have peace. We have to have law and order. We have to respect our great people in law and order. We don’t want anybody hurt. It’s a very tough period of time. There’s never been a time like this where such a thing happened where they could take it away from all of us–from me, from you, from our country. This was a fraudulent election, but we can’t play into the hands of these people. We have to have peace. So go home. We love you. You’re very special. You’ve seen what happens. You see they way others are treated that are so bad and so evil. I know how you feel. But go home. And go home in peace.”

Later today both Facebook and Twitter DELETED the President’s call for peace.

democrats didnt order that woman to storm the capital
but look at trump blaming the democrats for people being in pain and hurt.

so there it is. proof. trump wont take responsibility. i guess that woman is not going to get a presidential funeral or compensation.

trump played this same game last summer. ordering people to liberate certain states.. then HE called in the military. people got hurt. and he blamed HIS loyal people by calling them rioters

[Gyfts]

Some say that the ones who broke into the Capitol are not Trump supporters, but Antifa, disguised as Trump supporters. We'll probably never know the truth...

Yeah, the 45 year old balding white guys with beer bellies and breath that smells like miller lite were really just some 24 year old antifa punks. Let's be real, these were Trump supporters and people on the far right. I'm usually one to defend people on the right because they tend to be treated unfairly, but this entire charade is a dark day for Republicans and the country.

Why do you think all Antifa or BLM are young? The guy with horns is probably a BLM protester from Arizona...
Some people say the violence was triggered by the DC police, who may have been ordered to suddenly go hard on peaceful protesters.

Trump tweeted:
“I know your pain. I know you’re hurt. We had an election that was stolen from us. It was a landslide election and everyone knows it, especially the other side. But you have to go home now. We have to have peace. We have to have law and order. We have to respect our great people in law and order. We don’t want anybody hurt. It’s a very tough period of time. There’s never been a time like this where such a thing happened where they could take it away from all of us–from me, from you, from our country. This was a fraudulent election, but we can’t play into the hands of these people. We have to have peace. So go home. We love you. You’re very special. You’ve seen what happens. You see they way others are treated that are so bad and so evil. I know how you feel. But go home. And go home in peace.”

I was half joking but even Andy Ngo, who is good about reporting antifa activity, says there is no evidence that antifa is behind this. It isn't hard to believe. Trump was stoking the flames and the fire got out of control.

[franky1]

Later today both Facebook and Twitter DELETED the President’s call for peace.

trump banned from facebook for 24 hours
trump banned from twitter for 12 hours
congress/pence rumouring to invoke section 4 of 25th amendment.. to remove trump from office.

what i find funny is that trump made the order saying people should go to capital hill. but his wording was that "we" should do. he even said how HE would go there.. yet while his loyal fangirls went their under his order. he went in the different direction and went home.

he used you fangirls like puppets
if he was such a tough guy. such a leader. he would have walked to capital hill.
if he was such a responsible guy that wanted to delay congress HE should have gone into congress and started singing and dancing around and doing things to cause disruption himself.. just him.

but no. he instead wanted to stand back and let his loyal fangirls take the blame and shame and get in trouble and hurt.

such a callus, self centred man

[squatz1]

Really is a horrible thing when the party of ‘law and order’ are breaching the Capitol and acting like what they’re doing is fine. Not sure if they understand the irony of calling Antifa a terrorist organization and referring to BLM as the same.

They literally stormed the capitol, broke through doors, attacked police, defaced areas, and so on and so forth. Same thing that they referred to as criminals.

I don't think the U.S. is on the path towards reconciliation and this was clear when Trump got elected in 2016. Trump is a symptom of the division and polarization, not the cause. The Trump supporters that stormed the building are akin to the radicals we saw in June that set buildings on fire so it is not better to be doing the same violent behavior that was universally condemned back in June from everyone on the right. Trump is responsible for riling up his rabid far right base, this should not have happened. From what I gather though, it does seem like democrats are slightly more enraged at the events taking place today than they were when BLM were mass looting and rioting for months straight resulting in 30+ people dead over the summer. To each their own, I guess.

I'm not too sure what the path forward is. I don't think the average far right Trump supporter is a conservative. They seem to have adopted their own brand of conservatism and created "Trumpism". This means you'll have politicians abandon conservative values and constitutional principles to appease the Trump base for their votes -- see Ted Cruz who nearly committed political suicide today which forced him to immediately tweet condemnations of the rioting. You can bet when he runs in 2024 he'll be asked why contested the election results which resulted in the US Capitol to be invaded. He'll have 3 years to think of an answer though.

2021 may not be it, 2022 here we come!

Totally, though there is something a bit different when it comes to raiding the US capitol compared to rioting in the streets and destroying buildings and such. Both events are totally horrible and it’s not okay at all, though I think it is a bit more severe when it happens in the US capitol. May disagree with me there, though I think what I’m saying makes some sense.

Yeah no, Trumpies are not conservatives by any means. They’re just followers of Trump and what he says and does. They do not adhere to traditional conservative / republicans policies at all. Weird.

[anoncoiner23]

Pro-Trump rioters breach Capitol, forcing lockdown; one person shot; Pence evacuated, Senate chamber cleared out

WASHINGTON — Chaos erupted in the nation's capital as supporters of President Donald Trump swarmed the Capitol building, prompting Vice President Mike Pence to be swept to a secure location and the Senate chamber to be evacuated.

The Associated Press reported that one person was shot and taken to a hospital.

According to multiple media reports, the entire Washington, D.C., national guard has been activated.

Some serious shit happening there. I wonder how will it end. I think USA has just passed the point of no returns.

With all the crap that the U.S has gone through and you think this is the end? this is just another day in america buddy, and are we really going to blame trump after he said this - "I am asking for everyone at the U.S. Capitol to remain peaceful. No violence! Remember, WE are the Party of Law & Order – respect the Law and our great men and women in Blue. Thank you!" - twitter trump

[PrimeNumber7]

There were too many irregularities in the election for Trump supporters to believe the election was fair.

If you don't want this kind of nonsense, both sides should play by the rules.

So you're basically saying that democrats ran the election? Sad that you are still clinging to the lies of this charlatan in light of his recent actions, which have overwhelmingly exposed his malevolent fraudulence beyond any shadow of a doubt.

Everybody with any sort of actual expertise or official capacity within the scope of the election has said that Trump lost. You are overriding all of this to continue believing in someone who was known to be a pathological liar well before he ever took office. This approaches the very definition of insanity.

I am saying that the rules of the election were not followed. This was the case in many states. Cases were not brought before the election, and the courts did not want to get involved after the fact, potentially invalidating millions of votes.

Trump's legal team was especially bad, as was his messaging. if either was halfway decent, he would have had a shot of the Presidency in the next term.

[squatz1]

SIGH.

Rudy Giuliani was trying to call Senator Tuberville (R-AL) and asking him to object to more states in the electoral certification to buy them more time, the only problem was that he called the wrong Senator and the person that he called shared the audio with the media.

What the fuck kind of clownshow coup is this.

https://twitter.com/loopemma/status/1347023450607648771?s=10 - Tweet (Source)

https://youtu.be/eJIeB8h3AMM - Direct Audio

[PrimeNumber7]

SIGH.

Rudy Giuliani was trying to call Senator Tuberville (R-AL) and asking him to object to more states in the electoral certification to buy them more time, the only problem was that he called the wrong Senator and the person that he called shared the audio with the media.

What the fuck kind of clownshow coup is this.

So Trump has an idiot legal team. He should not be employing celebrity lawyers, he should be employing people who have in-depth knowledge of the law.

If Trump does end up getting prosecuted, my bet is that Giuliani ends up having his fingerprints on the case.

[Makkara]

This nonsense should be condemned in the strongest way possible.

This could be charged as terrorism i imagine?

[squatz1]

SIGH.

Rudy Giuliani was trying to call Senator Tuberville (R-AL) and asking him to object to more states in the electoral certification to buy them more time, the only problem was that he called the wrong Senator and the person that he called shared the audio with the media.

What the fuck kind of clownshow coup is this.

So Trump has an idiot legal team. He should not be employing celebrity lawyers, he should be employing people who have in-depth knowledge of the law.

If Trump does end up getting prosecuted, my bet is that Giuliani ends up having his fingerprints on the case.

Yes.

Celebrity lawyers made sense when this whole thing was about generating hype and raising as much money as possible. Not making any sense at all when your goal is to truly try to stay in office as long as possible.

I’d say the reason for this is that Trump trusts Giuliani as he’s been one of the longest serving advisors to him during this time (in an official, and unofficial capacity) and he is one of the people who probably still tells him that he still has a shot at pulling this all off, even when he doesn’t.

Plus ya know, I highly doubt any legal firms want to take up undermining democracy for some money. Seems like an easy way to be shunned from a lot of establishment people because of horrible PR.

[Sayeds56]

he should be employing people who have in-depth knowledge of the law.

None of those people want to represent him as they all know he has no case, which is why he would up with who he did.

When I look at what happened in Washing D.C yesterday as foreigner who lives thousand miles away from USA and has little understanding of American Democratic system, it is reflection of divide between Politicians and Establishment. The democratic system is cracking and it is failing to deliver what people expect from it. Covid-19 has not only severely damaged US Economy but also its Social Fabric. Today America is not what it was yesterday.

[Tash]

You mean some people were invited in to have a look around
https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/krx7yw/the_police_opened_the_gates_for_capitol_rioters/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf


Or was security simply overpowered by aged ladys


Or this actor https://ibb.co/SnsfxBV  (somethimes seen with horns)

[kickback]

I watched this on CNN yesterday and all I heard was "insurrection" "domestic terrorism" "violent rioters" yet I didn't see any buildings in flames afterwards or mass casualties as would be expected from such activities...like the riots in Portland and other places around the US recently.Maybe the flames are being stoked from BOTH sides?

[squatz1]

he should be employing people who have in-depth knowledge of the law.

None of those people want to represent him as they all know he has no case, which is why he wound up with who he did.

Yes and No.

Pretty sure that in the beginning of this case the thought process around it was that they were going to try to raise as much money as possible around it. At a certain point in time though Trump really did begin to believe all of the bullshit that people were spewing and thought that there was really no way that he could’ve lost without fraud + his supporters ate all of this up and people believed that there’s no way he could’ve lost.

This opened up a prime opportunity for him to stir up shit and try to really overturn the results. By this point though, he was just swarmed by his most loyal confidants and there was no one who was going to help him in his quest to overturn a free and fair election besides the people that convinced him it was a good idea.

As I say in other threads, lot of speculation going on in my own head here. Let me know if I sound crazy.

[OgNasty]

I can't believe this happened.  I'm guessing there are going to be some big changes with regards to security practices and politics.  It's really hard to believe that today's events can take place in America today.  It's almost like someone is trying to scare politicians into signing some massive spending bills to put in lots of fancy new security systems in government buildings.  I'm not sure I believe this could happen by accident.

[Tash]

Whoever shot Ashli is not police because they are on here side of the door as clearly seen (warning graphic)
https://twitter.com/i/status/1347094167411806211

Selfies with police
https://twitter.com/i/status/1347031398176223233

Trump supporter fighting with antifa guy (uniform and helmet)
https://twitter.com/TheRightMelissa/status/1347040212602466304?s=09

buses transporting antia
https://youtu.be/pRJiB5GfhXM

[hornetsnest]

I can't believe this happened.  I'm guessing there are going to be some big changes with regards to security practices and politics.  It's really hard to believe that today's events can take place in America today.  It's almost like someone is trying to scare politicians into signing some massive spending bills to put in lots of fancy new security systems in government buildings.  I'm not sure I believe this could happen by accident.

This guy gets it ^^^^

[mindrust]

Seriously though, antifa & BLM protests were way wilder than what we saw yesterday. How many people died during those protests? A lot it was probably. How many died yesterday? 1.

Too bad Trump will be held responsible for it  and the dems will try to  jail Trump over this probably.

[hornetsnest]

Seriously though, antifa & BLM protests were way wilder than what saw yesterday. How many people died during those protests? A lot it was probably. How many died yesterday? 1.

Too bad Trump will be held responsible for it  and the dems will try to  jail Trump over thi sprobably.

[mindrust]

What about Twitter  They actually banned the president of the United States of fucking America.

They did it!  That was pretty entertaining imo. Lots of people will hate @jack because of this.

[markdario112616]

I watched this on CNN yesterday and all I heard was "insurrection" "domestic terrorism" "violent rioters" yet I didn't see any buildings in flames afterwards or mass casualties as would be expected from such activities...like the riots in Portland and other places around the US recently.Maybe the flames are being stoked from BOTH sides?

Just wait, I guess. If this clown won't give up and still continue with the shits he's been doing, Civil war is not too far to happen. If it happens, then the so called land of dream would be a land of disaster. Oh wait, just few days after New Year right?  Got a long way to go.

[sirazimuth]

I reckon the next time you see these rioting, Trump supporting, imbecile clowns' faces splashed all over the intertoobz,
it wont be them desecrating The US Capitol, it will be mugshots from a prison cell.

[Tash]

How was Congress siege allowed to happen?"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9120689/Top-Dem-vows-probe-cops-arrest-just-52-MAGA-rioters.html

She must be a visionary Drafting resulution dated jan 5
https://twitter.com/RepCori/status/1346926083350794240/photo/1

[hornetsnest]

Anyone who falls for the games being played out and are deceived have my sympathy because it is designed to deceive but you can't trade facts for wisdom.You can ask and receive it freely if you are worthy of it but it ain't for sale  

[Tzupy]

Four people were killed by the DC police yesterday at the Capitol. One was shot and three died "of natural causes", if you can believe the bullshit.
IMO the other three died of excessive gas inhalation, leading to cardio-pulmonary arrest, but we'll have to wait for more info.

[Gyfts]

Four people were killed by the DC police yesterday at the Capitol. One was shot and three died "of natural causes", if you can believe the bullshit.
IMO the other three died of excessive gas inhalation, leading to cardio-pulmonary arrest, but we'll have to wait for more info.

They all didn't die from DC Police. One deranged woman died after she tried to jump into the senate chamber through a broken window. That was a justified shooting and she was shot dead for her troubles. No tears shed. She deserved it.

Tear gas inhalation won't kill you. But it wouldn't surprise me if 3 others died from heart attacks because they're fat fucks.

[mindrust]

They all didn't die from DC Police.

It appears so.

One deranged woman died after she tried to jump into the senate chamber through a broken window.

It looked like to me the killer was a black man. Possibly a civilian but I am just making a guess.

That was a justified shooting and she was shot dead for her troubles.

Justified how? The police didn't kill her. They let her do whatever she wants. Are you cool with a civilian killing another civilian?

I bet you were cool with that shop owners killing the looters too.

I can't understand how she deserved to die. Was she bullying somebody? Was she looting? Was she stealing? I don't get it. Did the shooter even warn the woman? I didn't hear it. That was cold blood murder.

[Gyfts]

They all didn't die from DC Police.

It appears so.

One deranged woman died after she tried to jump into the senate chamber through a broken window.

It looked like to me the killer was a black man. Possibly a civilian but I am just making a guess.

That was a justified shooting and she was shot dead for her troubles.

Justified how? The police didn't kill her. They let her do whatever she wants. Are you cool with a civilian killing another civilian?

I bet you were cool with that shop owners killing the looters too.

I can't understand how she deserved to die. Was she bullying somebody? Was she looting? Was she stealing? I don't get it. Did the shooter even warn the woman? I didn't hear it. That was cold blood murder.

She was killed by a secret service agent. There was footage of him firing the gun, so no civilian. And the VP was still in the Capitol building when all this was going on which is why they didn't let the deranged rioters breach the Senate chamber. I believe the House chamber was breached (or vice versa). If you jump up and try to breach restricted property that is holding the Vice President, you will be shot like an animal and die, just like those same shop owners that will kill a looter posing a threat to a business or a person.

The warning was the initial commands by police to back off.

[mindrust]

They all didn't die from DC Police.

It appears so.

One deranged woman died after she tried to jump into the senate chamber through a broken window.

It looked like to me the killer was a black man. Possibly a civilian but I am just making a guess.

That was a justified shooting and she was shot dead for her troubles.

Justified how? The police didn't kill her. They let her do whatever she wants. Are you cool with a civilian killing another civilian?

I bet you were cool with that shop owners killing the looters too.

I can't understand how she deserved to die. Was she bullying somebody? Was she looting? Was she stealing? I don't get it. Did the shooter even warn the woman? I didn't hear it. That was cold blood murder.

She was killed by a secret service agent. There was footage of him firing the gun, so no civilian. And the VP was still in the Capitol building when all this was going on which is why they didn't let the deranged rioters breach the Senate chamber. I believe the House chamber was breached (or vice versa). If you jump up and try to breach restricted property that is holding the Vice President, you will be shot like an animal and die, just like those same shop owners that will kill a looter posing a threat to a business or a person.

The warning was the initial commands by police to back off.

If the shooter was a secret service agent, they should fire all the other secret service members for not doing their jobs because the protesters did get inside anyway and he killed that woman for nothing.

You don't need to explain the footage to me. I watched it many times.

If they all deserved to die like fucking dogs... (not that I agree with you) then how are the rest of the protesters alive?

The police didn't even defend the building. That was a trap.

[nothingbutpain]

Pro-Trump rioters breach Capitol, forcing lockdown; one person shot; Pence evacuated, Senate chamber cleared out

WASHINGTON — Chaos erupted in the nation's capital as supporters of President Donald Trump swarmed the Capitol building, prompting Vice President Mike Pence to be swept to a secure location and the Senate chamber to be evacuated.

The Associated Press reported that one person was shot and taken to a hospital.

According to multiple media reports, the entire Washington, D.C., national guard has been activated.

Some serious shit happening there. I wonder how will it end. I think USA has just passed the point of no returns.

I wonder if people stole things from inside, maybe things that the public shouldnt see

[mindrust]

Pro-Trump rioters breach Capitol, forcing lockdown; one person shot; Pence evacuated, Senate chamber cleared out

WASHINGTON — Chaos erupted in the nation's capital as supporters of President Donald Trump swarmed the Capitol building, prompting Vice President Mike Pence to be swept to a secure location and the Senate chamber to be evacuated.

The Associated Press reported that one person was shot and taken to a hospital.

According to multiple media reports, the entire Washington, D.C., national guard has been activated.

Some serious shit happening there. I wonder how will it end. I think USA has just passed the point of no returns.

I wonder if people stole things from inside, maybe things that the public shouldnt see

I heard Pelosi's computer is missing. I don't know if they recovered it later.

I wonder where were that "special" agent when that was happening. Hiding in the closet like a coward maybe.

[Tash]

Dont break the window antifa
https://twitter.com/i/status/1347276351947079694

Breaks it anyway and figthing with trump supporter
https://twitter.com/TheRightMelissa/status/1347040212602466304?s=09

The bullet could easily have hit police if missed and ricocheted  of the wall
https://ibb.co/Kz6bYxB

Interview with the guy next to her
https://www.brighteon.com/22375a2f-1f93-44fe-8fb5-4a2d0b27298c

[sirazimuth]

https://mpdc.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/mpdc/publication/attachments/POIs%20of%20Interest_1.7.21.pdf

[eddie13]

Could have easily been a “firey but peaceful” protest if they wanted to burn the house to the ground..
But they didn’t..

Keep pissing them off.. See what happens..

[Tash]

WANTED: FBI is tracking down this 36 suspects who stormed the US Capitol building, 64 arrested so far
https://i.redd.it/d70vixwhx1a61.jpg



Known agitators at work

[BADecker]

Anybody who takes a look at what went on, will see that the police led Antifa/BLM rioters, dressed up to look like Trump supporters, through the capitol. It was a total setup.

[anoncoiner23]

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/david-winkler-234b4311a_walkaway-lexit-elections-ugcPost-6753085650158800896-hG36


why would the police let them in ?

[Makkara]

Anybody who takes a look at what went on, will see that the police led Antifa/BLM rioters, dressed up to look like Trump supporters, through the capitol. It was a total setup.

They were identified through pictures, mostly are neo nazi, but you can keep repeating yourself whatever narrative to be able to cope with it.  

[Tzupy]

The hypocrisy of the Democrats and the MSM... remember October 2018... quoting from FNN (Fake news network, formerly known as CNN):

Capitol Police arrested 302 protesters Thursday during demonstrations at the Hart and Dirksen Senate Office buildings over the Brett Kavanaugh nomination.

In a statement, the department said police arrested 293 people at 3:30 p.m. ET for "unlawfully demonstrating in the atrium of the Hart Senate Office Building."

Two hours later, police received reports of protests on the fourth floor of the Dirksen Senate Office Building. They arrested nine people.

All protesters were charged with crowding, obstructing or incommoding, the department said.

[Gyfts]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdhCPpOrw48

I truly do not want to hear shit from leftists talking about divisiveness from Trump after Kamala Harris gave this garbage speech the other day. It's infuriating, it's petty, and it's just untrue.

She is making the distinction that white and black people were treated differently comparing BLM riots to the riots that happened yesterday. It's bullshit. 4 people died, 60 people arrested, hundreds were tear gassed and pepper sprayed and even more will face prosecution as they slowly get tracked and caught. Police got out numbered and were not prepared; otherwise the response would have been more swift with more force.

BLM rioters got away with near impunity over the summer. 2 billion dollars worth of damage does not create itself. Buildings were left to the looters to be wiped empty and burned, and somehow police treated the rioters on Capitol Hill better? Antifa/BLM terrorists terrorize a federal building in Portland, throw projectiles, IEDs, explosives, ect. at police and democrats come together and *denounce* Trump for sending in federal authorities to assist? They then proceed to demonize law enforcement for daring to fight back. Give me a break.

Kamala Harris  repeated this lie that the BLM riots were "peaceful protests".


1.) Happens to not be true. She said police tear gassed "peaceful protestors" -- police did not do this. They tear gassed rioters that went on to assault/attack police or create unlawful assemblies like gathering to loot a Target or burn an apartment building.

2.) Can someone explain to me how in the fuck it is supposed to be unifying to the country to bring up a group responsible for violence during  the summer and portray them as a victim? You can't leave that shit for the next speech maybe? Claiming that Americans should come together regardless of your beliefs or political affiliation  and then pushing tribalism by creating the false implication that BLM/liberals/leftist were treated differently back in the summer is widening the division. .

You cannot make the argument that Joe Biden, and especially Kamala Harris, is better than Donald Trump when they continue to normalize violence. They are not unifiers. This speech was not the right one to give and frankly, Obama had more class than this.

Biden administration had the chance for unity, and they refused. They chose politics and they chose to rile up their radical base. Be sure to remember this when the left accuses Trumps of stoking the flames.

[Tash]

Welcome in have a look around and stay within the roped of area
https://twitter.com/christina_bobb/status/1347596278583197698

[mindrust]

As I said. That was a trap.

They let them in on purpose and If I had to make a guess, the violence actually came from the other side, not from the Trump people.

When Trump realized what he was being lured into, it was already too late.

[TwitchySeal]

As I said. That was a trap.

They let them in on purpose and If I had to make a guess, the violence actually came from the other side, not from the Trump people.

When Trump realized what he was being lured into, it was already too late.

Have you been a full blown conspiratard this whole time, or is this a new thing for you?  When you first appeared in the Trump bet thread I assumed you were just a Trump fanboy putting on an act to appear impartial/objective - seems I've underestimated you.

[hornetsnest]

...it takes a very simple mind to fall for this left v right,black v white divide and conquer play while Rome is burning.It has been said ,not only did Nero fiddle while it burned but that he also lit the fire....who was it he blamed though? 2 birds with one stone...rebuild new the way he wants it and blame that dissident rabble for all that trouble











....meanwhile https://news.grabien.com/story-media-yes-violence-answer-supercut

[sirazimuth]

As I said. That was a trap.

They let them in on purpose and If I had to make a guess, the violence actually came from the other side, not from the Trump people.

When Trump realized what he was being lured into, it was already too late.

Have you been a full blown conspiratard this whole time, or is this a new thing for you?  When you first appeared in the Trump bet thread I assumed you were just a Trump fanboy putting on an act to appear impartial/objective - seems I've underestimated you.

The mindrust dude is quite famous in the wob actually.
Folks over there won't shut up about him.
Something about selling all his coins at bottom of market or some such thing that I could give 2 shits about.

But I digress...back on topic.....

That idiot who put his feet up, and left a quarter on Pelosi's desk, and was proud to be on candid camera, got busted, what a surprise.
These Trump folk are not exactly the sharpest knives in the drawer....

[Tash]

D.C. police will give you $1,000 for information of the horned one
https://www.vice.com/en/article/v7my83/police-need-help-identifying-famous-qanon-guy-named-jake-angeli-from-arizona

[mindrust]

Social Media purge is on.

Google removes Parler from app store, could also be removed from Apple's if it doesn't implement a moderation plan
Apple threatens to remove Parler from App Store following Capitol Hill attack
Facebook deletes #WalkAway campaign of 500,000 people as social media purge of conservatives continues
Twitter permanently suspends Trump's account

[BADecker]

^^^ Bitchute is a kinda nice platform, even though it is too simple at the moment. Maybe it will take over all of these in the near future as they collapse.

[TwitchySeal]

I was living in NYC over the summer and saw a protest nearly every single day for 5-6 week span.  The most violent act I saw during that time was one idiot started climbing up the scaffolding and 3 or 4 other protestors pulled him down from 4-5 feet.  He landed on his feet and they yelled at him for being an idiot for a second and then continued to march along.  That's literally it.

There were certainly protests with violence and other crime, those were usually the bigger ones that happened at night.  But there were also peaceful protests.  Thousands of them. Most of the protests were peaceful. Don't let the media dupe you by conflating what happened at a few with what happened at most.

[virasog]

[Tash]

 ANTIFA SET THIS OFF IN DC
https://youtu.be/m4KrUvROoFs

same situation in close up
https://thedayumn.com/video-showing-trump-supporters-throwing-antifa-out-of-the-capitol-building-and-stopping-them-destroying-the-property/

[B1tUnl0ck3r]

those are the vilains who steal hold the T$ loot? or at least a part of it? it will be resolved... it will... little ants have to wait in the queues of the empire of the legal world...

that too deserve to change ! scotus really takes too few cases, specially with the constant advance of the transhumanists, they don't seem to generate positive outcomes (covid)

anyway.... Nice catch (and maybe it's not T$ club).

ahhh this storm !!! I loved it !!!

the waving of the flag ala iwo jima ! the charge, everything !!! incredible ! amazing ! glorious ! hearthwarming ! the begining of the second independence war marking the defeat of save the republic of the maga project of trump ? pedo or not? who knows...

 ANTIFA SET THIS OFF IN DC
https://youtu.be/m4KrUvROoFs

Who cares ! IT WAS AMAZING !!! I LOVED IT !!! SOOOOO COOL ! SOOOO GREAT !!! LIBERTY ! those law makers better start to behave and adopt pedophila into the patriot act 2020 last revision (hehehehe) if possible . hahhaha.

[B1tUnl0ck3r]

The 1st STO[size=160pt]R[/size][size=320pt]M[/size]

I could have supported this guy, but sadly it's not me to decide who gets the divine right to carry arm in the usa , 1st or 2nd republic

however that he forget blackgun or gunsforblack is shocking !

nothing is more progressive or woke than arms for slaves !

we love it !

(a little since long advertisment, you can get way way way bigger gun at the dod, join to make the patriot act update 2020.12.rev.x include pedophilia as a war crime and not a civilian issue ! go ! I know it's shocking for some advocate of kindnes and regards toward the victims,

problems we are losing ground here... already congress has fallen.

it could be a temporary right, or renewable if not opposed, ala spotify... hehehe.

what do you prefer hunting patriots fighting pedos and for the republic or pedos? hehehe.

I think you are a pow2be .

[coolcoinz]

As I said. That was a trap.

They let them in on purpose and If I had to make a guess, the violence actually came from the other side, not from the Trump people.

When Trump realized what he was being lured into, it was already too late.

Have you seen that clip where a security guard is being chased up the stairs by those non-violent Trump supporters? They were chasing that poor dude around and not reacting to his commands, openly asking to be hit or shot because he had a baton in his hand. They kept charging until a few more armed officers appeared. Is that where the violence started according to you, where they threatened to shoot the protesters? I'm really amazed that they allowed them to go this far without at least shooting them with rubber bullets or spraying with pepper.

I don't get how a group of nerds in costumes managed to break into one of the most important buildings in the USA.

[TwitchySeal]

More promises from Trumps kraken lawyer team that I'm sure will end up the same way all the others have.



Also notable:

[hornetsnest]

All these dummies both to the extreme left and right of the political spectrum led astray by hashtag movements are too stoopid to realize they are simply being corralled into pens.They need to stop being dummies and repent for their stupidity and realize no "empire" made by men stands forever because ALL men are imperfect.Any man who says otherwise is a liar.The ones shouting the loudest and pointing the finger are the real ones guilty of the very repressed transgressions they shout about within their own hearts and minds

[BADecker]

^^^ However, look in the book of Daniel in the Bible. Look at Nebuchadnezzar's first dream and its interpretation by Daniel. The point of that dream is that the Kingdom that God institutes will stand forever. And those who are part of God's Kingdom will stand forever with that Kingdom.

Then consider one little piece of info that Jesus said about all this: "The Kingdom of God is within you."

I have joined God in His Kingdom. If you haven't, you are invited. Read the first four books of the New testament in the Bible. Understand it and believe, and God's everlasting Kingdom will be within you, as well.

[hornetsnest]

^^^
Amen amen.It is said by some that ze Book of Daniel utilizes vaticinium ex eventu in parts but that is for theological debate.I have quoted something about Nebuchadnezzar and his construction of the 8th gate and other related details about the altar of Zeus in the pergamon museum,references to constellations amd creatures depicted on the gate and altar and other things about the tribe of Dan and the stone of Jacob but the post has since been deleted by the moderator along with a few other posts so it may have been off topic,irrelevant or marred by verbosity..but anywho.....

Ezekiel-21    .. 1 John 4:1    1 John 4:2-6     1 Corinthians 12:10    Acts 17:11      1 Thessalonians 5:21   2 Timothy 3:15-1   ... Revelation 22

[Tzupy]

Pelosi and Schumer, 8th June 2020:
"Lafayette Square should be a symbol of freedom and openness, not a place behind which the leader of our Executive Branch cowers in fear of protesters who are crying out for justice"

Me today:
"The Capitol should be a symbol of freedom and openness, not a place behind which the leaders of our Legislative Branch cower in fear of protesters who are crying out for justice"

[BADecker]

Let me say it this way. When the Dems dishonor the President, and
when they cause riots and deaths and try to blame him, and
when they won't let him address the nation, by cutting off his communications, and
when they accuse him of insurrection, falsely, and
when they impeach him or try to use the 25th Amendment against him...

Who cares?

You have heard the saying, "Might makes right," right? But that saying isn't true. Might might make what happens. But it doesn't always make right.

The point? For the last few days, since Trump was cut off from addressing the nation, by the Dems and Big Tech disrupting his speeches, he has been following a different strategy. What strategy? He has been showing the election fraud proof to the people who MUST listen to him... the military leaders. Now that he has the military on his side, YOU figure out if his might is going to making right.

Read the whole thing at the site.


Trump's Counter Coup Against the Deep State, the Democrats and Their CHICOM Allies Is Underway

As the Democrats move to silence conservative voice prior to the scheduled inauguration, Trump is stepping up his response the near total blackout of both him and his supporters. Never before has a President been silenced. This clearly signals the fact that the President is a marked man.

Yesterday, the existing evidence suggests that the President has a full-fledged response to the coup that has beset his nation. This country had better hope and pray that Trump is successful, because when the Democrats are done with the patriots that make up the majority of the people in this country, then it will be the CHICOM’s turn . America is about ready to experience both the nazification reminiscent of Hitler’s Germany and the mass killings of entire regions which was representative of Stalin’s approach to handling dissident pressure.

At present, Trump has secured the support of 40 Generals who represent a variety of command interests ranging from a theater of operations in foreign lands and base commanders. The Joint Chiefs do not support Trump. However, there is a possibility that this may change. As has been reported before, if Trump allows the US to engage Chinese in a minimum action of at least a regional war, the Deep State controlled military industrial complex, will force the Joint Chiefs to support Trump. The Joint Chiefs feel as if they are caught in the middle. Further, America’s Special Operations Forces are now under one command, under one commander he reports directly to Trump. They are capable of taking out the Pentagon and as such, pose a direct threat to the Joint Chiefs. Haven’t you noticed the blackout of comments from the Pentagon this controversy.

I was told, last night, that troops, in the tens of thousands at each site, have been deployed to traditional “blue cities” for riot control. For example, there are 7,000 troops in the nation’s capital. Below is a communication I was sent prior to the weekend's end by Paul Preston, the President of the New California 51st State movement.

[TwitchySeal]

Pelosi and Schumer, 8th June 2020:
"Lafayette Square should be a symbol of freedom and openness, not a place behind which the leader of our Executive Branch cowers in fear of protesters who are crying out for justice"

Me today:
"The Capitol should be a symbol of freedom and openness, not a place behind which the leaders of our Legislative Branch cower in fear of protesters who are crying out for justice"

Here's a video of the 'protesters who are crying out for freedom' beating the absolute shit out of a cop while dragging him down the steps of the capital.



I'm not sure if it was the cop who died or not.


Looks like this one was armed and planning on taking hostages:

[BADecker]

Pelosi and Schumer, 8th June 2020:
"Lafayette Square should be a symbol of freedom and openness, not a place behind which the leader of our Executive Branch cowers in fear of protesters who are crying out for justice"

Me today:
"The Capitol should be a symbol of freedom and openness, not a place behind which the leaders of our Legislative Branch cower in fear of protesters who are crying out for justice"

Here's a video of the 'protesters who are crying out for freedom' beating the absolute shit out of a cop while dragging him down the steps of the capital.



I'm not sure if it was the cop who died or not.


Looks like this one was armed and planning on taking hostages:

Thanks. The more we can show these Antifa rioters and how bad they are, the more we can prove the Dems who support them are absolutely bad for the country.

[Tzupy]

^^^^^ beside pro-Trump protesters / rioters, we know there were also other folks, like Antifa, BLM, far-right (real ones, not just branded by the MSM), US special forces, foreign operatives, etc.
And we also know that the attack on the Capitol started 11 minutes before Trump ended his speech (he was fashionably late).

[TwitchySeal]

^^^^^ beside pro-Trump protesters / rioters, we know there were also other folks, like Antifa, BLM, far-right (real ones, not just branded by the MSM), US special forces, foreign operatives, etc.
And we also know that the attack on the Capitol started 11 minutes before Trump ended his speech (he was fashionably late).

We know that BLM and Antifa stormed the Capital?  How?  I thought the conspiratards already moved on to another theory after the arrests started happening and everyone was obviously a Trump supporter.

And where are you getting this timeline?  I was watching live and remember them showing the speech being over at least 30 minutes before there was any action at the capital.

1 p.m. ET A joint session of Congress begins to tally the Electoral College votes, with Vice President Pence presiding. As it begins, Pence releases a letter to Congress declaring that he does not have unilateral authority to overturn the election results.

1:11 p.m. President Trump's speech to supporters on the Ellipse outside the White House ends. During the roughly hourlong speech, Trump urges his followers to march to the Capitol and says at one point, "You will never take back our country with weakness." Trump says he will be there with them but never joins the crowd.

1:13 p.m. Arizona Rep. Paul Gosar files the first objection to state Electoral College certification, from his home state. Democrat Joe Biden won the state by 10,457 votes. The objection needs to be joined by a U.S. senator, which it is. The objection could then be debated for up to two hours. Republican House members and senators threaten to do this for up to half a dozen states. The tactic amounts to not more than a delay, however, as the end result will be President-elect Joe Biden and Vice President-elect Kamala Harris being declared the winners — again.

2:07 p.m. The mob of Trump supporters breach the steps on the east side of the Capitol.

2:16 p.m. The first scenes of the rioters inside the building.

https://www.npr.org/2021/01/07/954384999/timeline-how-one-of-the-darkest-days-in-american-history-unfolded

So almost an hour later^^^

Feel free to just come up with some other nonsense or complain about the media or something if you aren't comfortable admitting you were wrong.

[suchmoon]

we know
we also know

No, we don't. You don't either. You're just parroting the garbage that created the issue to begin with.

[BADecker]

I thought the conspiratards already moved on to another theory after the arrests started happening and everyone was obviously a Trump supporter.

^^^ No. Conspiratards still have the same theory. That Pro-Trump rioters breached the Capitol, forcing lockdown.

[Tzupy]

IGNORED BY MEDIA: Flash Bangs Were Going Off at US Capitol Before Trump Finished His Speech – Antifa Organized Protest Near US Capitol Before It Was Stormed -UPDATED
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/ignored-media-flash-bangs-going-off-us-capitol-trump-finished-speech-antifa-organized-protest-near-us-capitol-stormed/

Analysis of Ashli Babbit Video Suggests Coordinated Actions—Interview W. Masako Ganaha | Crossroads
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nvqvvsqJ_s

[xmready]

IGNORED BY MEDIA: Flash Bangs Were Going Off at US Capitol Before Trump Finished His Speech – Antifa Organized Protest Near US Capitol Before It Was Stormed -UPDATED
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/ignored-media-flash-bangs-going-off-us-capitol-trump-finished-speech-antifa-organized-protest-near-us-capitol-stormed/

I have never seen credible evidence that Antifa is a singular, organized or prolific organization. I went to over 10+ large protests in 2020 and talked to over 100 people. Not a single person identified as being a part of Antifa. From what I have read the term Anitfa started in Germany as antifaschistisch ("anti-fascist"). The few small groups in the USA that use the term Antifa in their names aren't associated with each other. They act as a decentralized ideology. None of these groups are called just "Antifa". I also never spoke to anyone during the protests that supports Biden.

The article you linked to references John Sullivan, who has never identified himself as being part of Antifa (because it's not a real group). Also the article says he is a BLM organizer. Well guess what, he was kicked out of BLM for inciting violence in Utah, which makes him NOT A BLM ORGANIZER. He started his own group after getting kicked out of BLM and has no current association. He was kicked out because BLM does not tolerate violent rhetoric from their leaders (even though some of their protests turned violent which is out of their control).

Furthermore, there have been several instances of alt-right actors & 4chan users getting caught orchestrating false flag attacks and blaming "Antifa".
https://www.gq.com/story/fake-antifa-accounts
https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-41036631
https://www.vice.com/en/article/59dwed/a-fake-antifa-account-was-busted-for-tweeting-from-russia-vgtrn

And for the claims that Trump and team did not want violence, lets hear their own words:

  - Rudy Giuliani Called For "Trial By Combat" speaking to the crowd on the 6th
  - Donald Trump Jr. warned Republican legislators “We’re coming for you.” speaking to the crowd on the 6th
  - Donald Trump said "You will never take our country back with weakness." speaking to the crowd on the 6th
  - Lauren Boebert tweeted "Today is 1776." in the morning before the violence @ 8:30am

Anyone claiming that these were "jokes" is crazy. Someone making a joke about violence in front of an angry mob is either mentally challenged, or they are lying about it being a joke. Q followers think when their politicians say they were joking, it's really a secret message that they're not joking. It doesn't matter if some of these comments were made after the violence began; this type of rhetoric is sick and wrong.

I am no fan of Biden, but some of you Trump fans have misinformation pumped so far up your brain I'm surprised you can still makes thoughts.

[Gyfts]

And for the claims that Trump and team did not want violence, lets hear their own words:

  - Rudy Giuliani Called For "Trial By Combat" speaking to the crowd on the 6th
  - Donald Trump Jr. warned Republican legislators “We’re coming for you.” speaking to the crowd on the 6th
  - Donald Trump said "You will never take our country back with weakness." speaking to the crowd on the 6th
  - Lauren Boebert tweeted "Today is 1776." in the morning before the violence @ 8:30am

Lauren Boebert is some right wing tard that couldn't spell constitution if she was asked to, so I don't take her or the others on your list too serious.

But, if we are going to cherry pick what Trump said in that speech, did you know he also said to protest peacefully?

Trump on January 6th during his speech:

"I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.” If you chose to read in between the lines of any political text, I'm sure we can tie it to violence.

For example - AOC saying that protests are meant to make people "uncomfortable" after BLM riots caused US cities to burn. Didn't hear anyone complaining about that?

Imagine if Trump had tweeted:

"The whole point of protesting is to make ppl uncomfortable.

Activists take that discomfort w/ the status quo & advocate for concrete policy changes. Popular support often starts small & grows.

To folks who complain protest demands make others uncomfortable... that’s the point."

*after* the capitol riots. Wonder what the reaction would be?

[Mauser]

IGNORED BY MEDIA: Flash Bangs Were Going Off at US Capitol Before Trump Finished His Speech – Antifa Organized Protest Near US Capitol Before It Was Stormed -UPDATED
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/ignored-media-flash-bangs-going-off-us-capitol-trump-finished-speech-antifa-organized-protest-near-us-capitol-stormed/

Analysis of Ashli Babbit Video Suggests Coordinated Actions—Interview W. Masako Ganaha | Crossroads
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nvqvvsqJ_s

I watched 2 videos from Ashli Babbit within the Capitol and just didn't get of what was going on. They were rioting in front of a locked and barricaded with armed security forces on the other side. When they tried to get into Mike Pence area there was only 1 shot and Ashli died. Very tragic.

[Tash]

IGNORED BY MEDIA: Flash Bangs Were Going Off at US Capitol Before Trump Finished His Speech – Antifa Organized Protest Near US Capitol Before It Was Stormed -UPDATED
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/ignored-media-flash-bangs-going-off-us-capitol-trump-finished-speech-antifa-organized-protest-near-us-capitol-stormed/

Analysis of Ashli Babbit Video Suggests Coordinated Actions—Interview W. Masako Ganaha | Crossroads
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nvqvvsqJ_s

I watched 2 videos from Ashli Babbit within the Capitol and just didn't get of what was going on. They were rioting in front of a locked and barricaded with armed security forces on the other side. When they tried to get into Mike Pence area there was only 1 shot and Ashli died. Very tragic.

The guy next to Ashli
https://www.brighteon.com/22375a2f-1f93-44fe-8fb5-4a2d0b27298c

[TwitchySeal]

IGNORED BY MEDIA: Flash Bangs Were Going Off at US Capitol Before Trump Finished His Speech – Antifa Organized Protest Near US Capitol Before It Was Stormed -UPDATED
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/ignored-media-flash-bangs-going-off-us-capitol-trump-finished-speech-antifa-organized-protest-near-us-capitol-stormed/

Analysis of Ashli Babbit Video Suggests Coordinated Actions—Interview W. Masako Ganaha | Crossroads
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nvqvvsqJ_s

I watched 2 videos from Ashli Babbit within the Capitol and just didn't get of what was going on. They were rioting in front of a locked and barricaded with armed security forces on the other side. When they tried to get into Mike Pence area there was only 1 shot and Ashli died. Very tragic.

The guy next to Ashli
https://www.brighteon.com/22375a2f-1f93-44fe-8fb5-4a2d0b27298c

Your conspiracy theories are contradicting each other:

Whoever shot Ashli is not police because they are on here side of the door as clearly seen (warning graphic)
https://twitter.com/i/status/1347094167411806211

[Tash]

IGNORED BY MEDIA: Flash Bangs Were Going Off at US Capitol Before Trump Finished His Speech – Antifa Organized Protest Near US Capitol Before It Was Stormed -UPDATED
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/ignored-media-flash-bangs-going-off-us-capitol-trump-finished-speech-antifa-organized-protest-near-us-capitol-stormed/

Analysis of Ashli Babbit Video Suggests Coordinated Actions—Interview W. Masako Ganaha | Crossroads
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nvqvvsqJ_s

I watched 2 videos from Ashli Babbit within the Capitol and just didn't get of what was going on. They were rioting in front of a locked and barricaded with armed security forces on the other side. When they tried to get into Mike Pence area there was only 1 shot and Ashli died. Very tragic.

The guy next to Ashli
https://www.brighteon.com/22375a2f-1f93-44fe-8fb5-4a2d0b27298c

Your conspiracy theories are contradicting each other:

Whoever shot Ashli is not police because they are on here side of the door as clearly seen (warning graphic)
https://twitter.com/i/status/1347094167411806211

You are showing your worth when claiming actual footage's are some king of conspiracy theories. You have sincere fear of capitalism, eh?

[franky1]

You are showing your worth when claiming actual footage's are some king of conspiracy theories.

the brighteon link is not just raw footage. its a montage of collected and selectively chosen images and videos with a yellow font creating the theory.

the yellow font words are the theory.
how do you know its a theory. because the video creator sets a idea and asks other people to judge it.

that video is actually a good example of the conspiracy influencers. they themselves dont have the maturity to pledge their own character/reputation against their ascertions as fact. they just imply a theory and ask others to run with it. thus pushing the blame on those running with it as the out of character idiots that are pushing it as fact.

and you conspiracy idiots fall for it all the time 'its true cos someone told me/i read it somewhere'

[TwitchySeal]

IGNORED BY MEDIA: Flash Bangs Were Going Off at US Capitol Before Trump Finished His Speech – Antifa Organized Protest Near US Capitol Before It Was Stormed -UPDATED
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/ignored-media-flash-bangs-going-off-us-capitol-trump-finished-speech-antifa-organized-protest-near-us-capitol-stormed/

Analysis of Ashli Babbit Video Suggests Coordinated Actions—Interview W. Masako Ganaha | Crossroads
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nvqvvsqJ_s

I watched 2 videos from Ashli Babbit within the Capitol and just didn't get of what was going on. They were rioting in front of a locked and barricaded with armed security forces on the other side. When they tried to get into Mike Pence area there was only 1 shot and Ashli died. Very tragic.

The guy next to Ashli
https://www.brighteon.com/22375a2f-1f93-44fe-8fb5-4a2d0b27298c

Your conspiracy theories are contradicting each other:

Whoever shot Ashli is not police because they are on here side of the door as clearly seen (warning graphic)
https://twitter.com/i/status/1347094167411806211

You are showing your worth when claiming actual footage's are some king of conspiracy theories. You have sincere fear of capitalism, eh?

This is the conspiracy theory you linked:

[franky1]

lets nail some points about the brightein theory

at 1:06 the yellow font narrative says the guy with the gun cant have shot her because the gun was pointed down.. and the video plays in slow motion for 30 seconds(pre shooting) where the narrative is being imbedded into peoples minds. however at 1:36-1:38 it clearly shows the gun lifts up, points and shoots.

but weak minds dont care about 2 seconds of video proof. their minds have already imbedded 30 seconds of false narrative

even funnier is the narrator first said (pre 1:40) that the gun was aimed down and not at the woman and never aimed at her as always down

next/separate theory was that the gun was aimed at the women. then the gunman swang away

yet even just screenshotting the visuals at 1:37 and then drawing a line from the gun to its trajectory path shows the path the bullet would take would result in the location the woman was.

and it silly how a narrator can try pushing two different scenarios that are not what the video even shows
and you conspiracy idiots fall for it

[xmready]

Lauren Boebert is some right wing tard that couldn't spell constitution if she was asked to, so I don't take her or the others on your list too serious.

I think people who call others "tard" in public discussion put their lack of maturity and intelligence on display for all to see. We see you. That being said she was elected to the house by her base, so there are people who take her seriously even if you don't.

But, if we are going to cherry pick what Trump said in that speech, did you know he also said to protest peacefully?

Trump on January 6th during his speech:

"I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.” If you chose to read in between the lines of any political text, I'm sure we can tie it to violence.

When an angry mob gets conflicting messages, it doesn't calm them down. Him saying that doesn't cancel out the other things that I quoted. You don't have to be genius to understand that. It is well known that within the Q community they believe Trump does not say what he really means because his plot to overthrow the Liberals is secret.

For example - AOC saying that protests are meant to make people "uncomfortable" after BLM riots caused US cities to burn. Didn't hear anyone complaining about that?

Police brutality and reform is a topic that people should get behind. It is a problem that requires civil disobedience. The FBI has done one inquiry and one full blown investigation into white supremacists infiltrating the police stations of America. It is a real problem. Donald Trump claiming the election is rigged before it even took place is not a good reason for people to use protest as a form of civil disobedience. Maybe this is just a difference of opinion and you are entitled to pick sides, but any informed person can see AOC is on the correct side of history. If people were storming the capital because they dislike Biden, Trump and the electoral college in general, I may change my tune. These aren't patriots. They are ill-informed pawns who follow a man that openly lies and shits on the constitution. If a group supporting Biden did the same thing on the 6th, I would feel the same way. Trump and Biden both are habitual manipulators who shit on the constitution. I have never seen AOC support a protest based on the lies of either of those people.

I see that you did not address any of my other points on ANTIFA not being a real organization or BLM having no current affiliation with John Sullivan after kicking him out. So it seems you are the one who is cherry picking what gets talked about in your arguments. As you run out of defensible positions, you latch on to false comparisons. It is also my firm belief that people who say things like "tard" in public discourse are also the people using racial slurs in private with their friends.

You are entitled to believe that the unlawful re-election of Trump is something that requires civil disobedience and protest. But just know that I am not on your side and I will fight to keep people like you from gaining foothold in this country. I will fight to support justice for ALL Americans who are victims of the corporate banking system and the electoral college. But when that fight is corrupted by people like Trump or Biden supporters, I am against you.

[hornetsnest]

 

[Gyfts]

I think people who call others "tard" in public discussion put their lack of maturity and intelligence on display for all to see. We see you. That being said she was elected to the house by her base, so there are people who take her seriously even if you don't.

No but you don't understand, she is actually retarded. She might have the IQ of a piece of fruit. I don't own her, nor do real conservatives. I don't own her base either.

When an angry mob gets conflicting messages, it doesn't calm them down. Him saying that doesn't cancel out the other things that I quoted. You don't have to be genius to understand that. It is well known that within the Q community they believe Trump does not say what he really means because his plot to overthrow the Liberals is secret.

There is no conflicting message. There is the objective meaning of Trump's words, then your loose interpretation that is fueled by partisanship and hindsight bias. It's extremely easy to retroactively attribute malice with Trump's words if you already arrive at the conclusion that he is responsible for what happened at the capitol. He clearly said to protest peacefully, and you choose to ignore that.

Trump saying you cannot take back this country with weakness is not a call for violence. When politicians say that you need to "be strong" and "fight" for your rights, does that mean they're calling for their supporters to physically fight/assault dissenters? When Chris Cuomo says "show me where protests are supposed to be peaceful", is he indicating to his CNN viewers that they need to grab a 12 gauge and shove it down a Trump supporter's throat and pull trigger?

OR, does there tend to be a lot of irresponsible rhetoric in politics?

If you want to talk about what's more egregious, I would say Chris Cuomo and AOC's comments regarding "peaceful" protests after mass BLM riots is a bit more inflammatory.

Like I said before -- imagine if Trump said what AOC tweeted about BLM riots after the capitol fiasco. You think that would have been appropriate?

Police brutality and reform is a topic that people should get behind. It is a problem that requires civil disobedience.

"I can only murder, riot, and loot when I agree with the cause". Please. AOC was in the wrong and I vehemently disagree with the idea that the ends justify the means. Perhaps you think differently but for me, no, under no circumstances are riots, looting, ect. okay.

The FBI has done one inquiry and one full blown investigation into white supremacists infiltrating the police stations of America. It is a real problem.

This is overstated. I've heard this before and you are using this to paint all police as a systemically racist system. Study after study has shown no bias in police shootings with respect to whites and POC.

Donald Trump claiming the election is rigged before it even took place is not a good reason for people to use protest as a form of civil disobedience. Maybe this is just a difference of opinion and you are entitled to pick sides, but any informed person can see AOC is on the correct side of history. If people were storming the capital because they dislike Biden, Trump and the electoral college in general, I may change my tune. These aren't patriots. They are ill-informed pawns who follow a man that openly lies and shits on the constitution. If a group supporting Biden did the same thing on the 6th, I would feel the same way. Trump and Biden both are habitual manipulators who shit on the constitution. I have never seen AOC support a protest based on the lies of either of those people.

Yes. You are correct. Trump should not have said the election was rigged without evidence. AOC is precisely on the wrong side of history because no congresswoman should advocate for their agenda through violence, riots, and looting. It's inexcusable.

And I agree with you, Trump and Biden are habitual liars. I don't see Trump as a constitutionalist at all.

I see that you did not address any of my other points on ANTIFA not being a real organization or BLM having no current affiliation with John Sullivan after kicking him out.

Because I would probably agree. Idk, didn't read much into it because obviously there is no evidence that the capitol hill riot was antifa/BLM related.

So it seems you are the one who is cherry picking what gets talked about in your arguments. As you run out of defensible positions, you latch on to false comparisons.

Not quite. If you're going to refute a baseless conspiracy theory that I don't even believe in, are you saying that now I must adopt the position of this conspiracy theory for the hell of it? I picked the weakest point of your argument that I disagreed with and responded.

It is also my firm belief that people who say things like "tard" in public discourse are also the people using racial slurs in private with their friends.

Sorry   But really this isn't that formal and no I don't use racial slurs. Retard isn't even that bad c'mon. I've heard "Trumptard" from the left a lot too so even they say it!

You are entitled to believe that the unlawful re-election of Trump is something that requires civil disobedience and protest. But just know that I am not on your side and I will fight to keep people like you from gaining foothold in this country. I will fight to support justice for ALL Americans who are victims of the corporate banking system and the electoral college. But when that fight is corrupted by people like Trump or Biden supporters, I am against you.

But I don't believe this. I dont think the capitol riots were appropriate. I am just not retroactively going back to Trump's speech and pretend as if he's responsible no more than I would blame Bernie Sanders when his rabid supporter shot the minority whip.

[Gyfts]

https://babylonbee.com/news/trump-closing-in-on-filling-impeachment-punch-card-for-free-sub-sandwich

Trump impeached for a second time as a result of the capitol riots! This also means he is very close to redeeming a free sandwich on his impeachment punch card!

What are the chances that the senate gets 67 votes for a conviction. Will they vote on a conviction after all the new senators are sworn in or does it not work that way?

In that case, could D's latch on 17 Republicans for impeachment? Doubt it.

[mindrust]

STOP THE STEAL

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Washington Examiner logoTexas woman arrested on voter fraud charges

A Texas woman was arrested on voter fraud charges Wednesday after a video from Project Veritas appeared to show her convincing an older woman to change her vote.

Raquel Rodriguez was arrested in San Antonio, police told KSAT 12.

Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton's office announced in a press release that Rodriguez is being charged with "election fraud, illegal voting, unlawfully assisting people voting by mail, and unlawfully possessing an official ballot."

So it begins.

[Tash]

How capitol security was breached (from about 1:30 )
https://www.c-span.org/video/?507745-1/protesters-breach-us-capitol-security

Anyone could see it coming from a country mile
https://www.tommycarstensen.com/terrorism/CN67oIug5zAh.mp4

So now barbed wire installed at the Capitol.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1349795409187663873

[xmready]

This is overstated. I've heard this before and you are using this to paint all police as a systemically racist system. Study after study has shown no bias in police shootings with respect to whites and POC.

https://acleddata.com/special-projects/us-crisis-monitor

Protests in which demonstrators did not engage in any violence, vandalism, or looting, law enforcement officers were about 3.5x more likely to use force against leftwing protestors than rightwing protestors, with 1.8% of peaceful leftwing protests and only 0.5% of peaceful rightwing protests met with teargas, rubber bullets or other force from law enforcement. How "rightwing" vs "leftwing" is categorized as well as all the raw data is available in the above link. I never mentioned shootings, your mush brain injected that into the conversation.

At least two capitol police officers have been suspended, one for taking selfies and the other for putting on a MAGA hat and showing the rioters around the capitol building. Off duty officers from Washington, Pennsylvania, Texas, Virginia and New Hampshire are either under investigation or have been reprimanded for taking part in breaching of the capitol building. At least one DC officer claims that off duty cops and military personnel were flashing badges in an attempt to enter the building.

Rioters storming the capitol displayed racist symbolism including swastika flags and confederate battle flags. Also spotted were t-shirts that said "Camp Auschwitz STAFF" and "6MWE” (six million weren’t enough). The Confederate flag wasn't used as a political symbol until the mid-20th century. In 1948, the Dixiecrats wanted to keep racial segregation. The Confederate flag was very prominent in the Dixiecrat campaign during the 1948 presidential election. It was also used frequently by the white supremacist groups like the Ku Klux Klan. I am not saying everyone at the capitol was a racist, but racism is prominent within the ranks of Trump supporters.

One inquiry and one full blown investigation by the FBI have dealt with the systematic infiltration into US police forces by white supremacist groups. If it was an "overstated" problem they wouldn't have spent that much money, time and effort investigating the situation.

I never said all police are racist, or can't you read? I said it was a major problem.

"I can only murder, riot, and loot when I agree with the cause". Please. AOC was in the wrong and I vehemently disagree with the idea that the ends justify the means. Perhaps you think differently but for me, no, under no circumstances are riots, looting, ect. okay.

AOC never said riots and looting are okay. She said protests should make you uncomfortable. Or can't you read? It's the same argument you made to defend Trump because he never explicitly called for violence. His son and lawyer did call for violence, so within the context of his administration, his words take on new meaning to an angry crowd. He never condemned what they said. No one associated with AOC framed her comments incorrectly by calling for violence. I'm the one who said that civil disobedience is okay if you agree with the cause, not AOC. That is how America and the Constitution were formed. I simply just disagree that keeping a racist conman in office is a good reason for civil disobedience. If the people who stormed the capitol thought it was a good reason, than they took a gamble and lost. I stand against them.

No but you don't understand, she is actually retarded. She might have the IQ of a piece of fruit. I don't own her, nor do real conservatives. I don't own her base either.

You missed the point. Her base supports her and listens to her regardless of your definition of a "real conservative" and regardless of her supposed IQ. This isn't a conversation about your personal opinions on what she said. It's a conversation about the effects of what she said. Also can you provide her IQ tests? If not then you are just someone who uses language not realizing how xenophobic it makes you look. I don't care if other people use the word retarded. I don't care if others say "Trumptard". I don't say that and this conversation is between you and I. You have a habit of justifying your actions with the actions of others.  

[franky1]

A Texas woman was arrested on voter fraud charges Wednesday after a video from Project Veritas appeared to show her convincing an older woman to change her vote.

Raquel Rodriguez was arrested in San Antonio, police told KSAT 12.

Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton's office announced in a press release that Rodriguez is being charged with "election fraud, illegal voting, unlawfully assisting people voting by mail, and unlawfully possessing an official ballot."

So it begins.
[/quote]

congratulations.. ONE.. yep one person.
give it time to find 10- 100-1000... but even that will still not change anything

find 7million then its news worthy...
heck find 18000....
.. but ill save you time there wont be enough finds to make a difference.  so time to move on.
trump has. so you should too

[Gyfts]

https://acleddata.com/special-projects/us-crisis-monitor

Protests in which demonstrators did not engage in any violence, vandalism, or looting, law enforcement officers were about 3.5x more likely to use force against leftwing protestors than rightwing protestors, with 1.8% of peaceful leftwing protests and only 0.5% of peaceful rightwing protests met with teargas, rubber bullets or other force from law enforcement. How "rightwing" vs "leftwing" is categorized as well as all the raw data is available in the above link. I never mentioned shootings, your mush brain injected that into the conversation.

You're right -- you didn't mention law enforcement shootings. You just mentioned some irrelevant bullshit about white supremacy and police which is more of the leftist fan fiction you use to justify looting a target or burning an apartment building.

Acleddata is a leftwing propaganda group that can't even get basic facts right, see here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5308781.msg56149662#msg56149662

But please do answer me what methodology they use to quantify these protests, and what objective method they use to categorize something as violent. And by violence, how do they differentiate between the severity of violence? Where do they get that data from? Do police departments disclose the amount of resources used at riots to quantify the violence to Acledata? How do they objectively verify how many violent participators are at these events?

I'm sure you have answers to zero of these questions because you couldn't think that far enough. Just slapping a link down and hoping I wouldn't notice, hilarious.

At least two capitol police officers have been suspended, one for taking selfies and the other for putting on a MAGA hat and showing the rioters around the capitol building. Off duty officers from Washington, Pennsylvania, Texas, Virginia and New Hampshire are either under investigation or have been reprimanded for taking part in breaching of the capitol building. At least one DC officer claims that off duty cops and military personnel were flashing badges in an attempt to enter the building.

Officers were also suspended for taking pictures with BLM protestors. In videos of officers taking pictures with these people, it wasn't clear at that point that they were rioters. Officers that took place in the violence were arrested, but so far there isn't evidence that off duty officers participated in violence. 900k police officers in the US, yes, I'm sure one or two were at the riots. Doesn't mean they participated.

Rioters storming the capitol displayed racist symbolism including swastika flags and confederate battle flags. Also spotted were t-shirts that said "Camp Auschwitz STAFF" and "6MWE” (six million weren’t enough). The Confederate flag wasn't used as a political symbol until the mid-20th century. In 1948, the Dixiecrats wanted to keep racial segregation. The Confederate flag was very prominent in the Dixiecrat campaign during the 1948 presidential election. It was also used frequently by the white supremacist groups like the Ku Klux Klan. I am not saying everyone at the capitol was a racist, but racism is prominent within the ranks of Trump supporters.

And...? Who cares? 74 million Trump voters. You found a few racists, congrats. Would you like a medal? Plenty of felons, sex offenders, so on, at BLM protests, I'm sure if I wasted time I could give you a laundry list of them that were arrested during BLM riots.

One inquiry and one full blown investigation by the FBI have dealt with the systematic infiltration into US police forces by white supremacist groups. If it was an "overstated" problem they wouldn't have spent that much money, time and effort investigating the situation.

LMFAO imagine being this naïve. The federal government torches money on a routine basis. If your argument is that something is a problem because money is spent on the matter then I advise you to do a bit more research on the bullshit the US government spends money on.

AOC never said riots and looting are okay. She said protests should make you uncomfortable. Or can't you read? It's the same argument you made to defend Trump because he never explicitly called for violence. His son and lawyer did call for violence, so within the context of his administration, his words take on new meaning to an angry crowd. He never condemned what they said. No one associated with AOC framed her comments incorrectly by calling for violence. I'm the one who said that civil disobedience is okay if you agree with the cause, not AOC. That is how America and the Constitution were formed. I simply just disagree that keeping a racist conman in office is a good reason for civil disobedience. If the people who stormed the capitol thought it was a good reason, than they took a gamble and lost. I stand against them.

You're, right, she didn't explicitly say that. I was just using your brain dead logic against you and I'm glad you recognize it. But, you don't seem very bright to recognize the nuance so I'll explain it to you -- AOC tweeted this AFTR BLM riots set fire to buildings during the summer. AOC has never once condemned BLM violence, she justifies it and normalizes. Trump clearly denounced the violence and never once insinuated that protestors should be violent. He said clearly be peaceful.

You missed the point. Her base supports her and listens to her regardless of your definition of a "real conservative" and regardless of her supposed IQ. This isn't a conversation about your personal opinions on what she said. It's a conversation about the effects of what she said. Also can you provide her IQ tests? If not then you are just someone who uses language not realizing how xenophobic it makes you look. I don't care if other people use the word retarded. I don't care if others say "Trumptard". I don't say that and this conversation is between you and I.

And AOC's base listens to AOC while she normalizes them rioting in the streets or looting a target.

You have a habit of justifying your actions with the actions of others.  

No, not really. Trump has been living in your head rent free that has caused common sense and logic to be thrown out the window. Conservatives are on board with the fact that violence is not excusable. Unfortunately, leftist have a tough time with this whenever you mention BLM riots with democrats openly normalizing violence, looting, and riots.

[xmready]

You're right -- you didn't mention law enforcement shootings. You just mentioned some irrelevant bullshit about white supremacy and police which is more of the leftist fan fiction you use to justify looting a target or burning an apartment building.

Acleddata is a leftwing propaganda group that can't even get basic facts right, see here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5308781.msg56149662#msg56149662

But please do answer me what methodology they use to quantify these protests, and what objective method they use to categorize something as violent. And by violence, how do they differentiate between the severity of violence? Where do they get that data from? Do police departments disclose the amount of resources used at riots to quantify the violence to Acledata? How do they objectively verify how many violent participators are at these events?

I'm sure you have answers to zero of these questions because you couldn't think that far enough. Just slapping a link down and hoping I wouldn't notice, hilarious.

You post a link to thread where you fail to provide a single source or credible citation for your claims against the ACLED. Your word vomit proves nothing without sources. If you weren't too much of a lazy brain to read the link I "slapped down", you would already have the answers you claim I can't provide. If I spoon feed it to you, I doubt you'll actually read it. Even IF you read it, you'll just shift your argument anyways. I shouldn't bother, but here you go. Here is something you could have easily read yourself if you had more than an 8th grade learning curve:

"What is ACLED’s relationship to Princeton University? The ​US Crisis Monitor ​is a joint project of ACLED and BDI. Through this project, ACLED is able to extend its global methodology to conduct data collection for the US, making real-time data available for public use, while BDI is able to ​use these data to identify emerging risks and to inform and motivate policy and programming discussions within its civil society​ network.

ACLED and BDI are both independent and non-partisan, and the US Crisis Monitor is dedicated to providing objective information. The ​US Crisis Monitor​is guided by the belief that transparent, independent, credible data on political violence and demonstrations can improve decision-making and policies, enhance peace building, and ultimately facilitate efforts to track, prevent, and mitigate violence. For these reasons, we are committed to making all data, analysis, methodology, tools, and resources publicly available. At the same time, we recognize that data, statistics, and analysis can be misinterpreted and manipulated towards political or other ends, in turn fueling conflict, harmful or incorrect narratives, and even violence. The ​US Crisis Monitor takes these risks extremely seriously and will work to ensure that materials made available through the project do no harm (in so far as it is within our power to control), and that principles and approaches of conflict sensitivity are adhered to strictly.

ACLED includes events of police brutality where the details conform to our global standards of political violence. Such events are coded as ‘Event type’ ​Violence against civilians, ​‘Sub-event type’ Attack,​ with police forces and civilians coded as the two primary actors. Violent policing is often particularly excessive towards select groups in the US, but much of this policing is within the bounds of the law​— and these bounds can vary, with different levels of protections extended to law enforcement by state legislatures, in addition to the federal government. As such, only police engagements that are explicitly ​outside​ of established legal parameters are included, however unfair the existing constraints on police behavior maybe. In practice, this means that the following types of events are the only ones categorized as such: (1) events in which an individual was not engaging in a crime, yet was seriously hurt or killed, (2) events in which an individual was (assumed to be) engaging in a crime though was visibly unarmed, yet was seriously hurt or killed; or (3) events in which an individual was in pursuit of a crime and was seriously hurt or killed, but without evidence that the suspect in question posed a risk based on subsequent reports.

ACLED does not record all instances of violence. For example, criminal violence, defined as violence that is motivated by personal or purely criminal motives, is excluded from the ACLED dataset. Some mass shooting events fall into this category. Violence that takes place in the private sphere, such as domestic or interpersonal violence, is also not recorded in the ACLED dataset, even when these events could have wider repercussions among the public. Similarly, events that are categorized as standard police enforcement are excluded from ACLED’s coverage. These typically include incidents where law enforcement agencies appear to have used violence within the bounds of the legal constraints on their activity, either in reaction to an attempt on the life of a police officer or otherwise in the presence of a threat. Finally, ACLED only captures events that are reported to have actually occurred. As such, ACLED Researchers do not record threats of violence or intimidation. Non-physical violence, such as online or cyber-violence, is also outside of the scope of ACLED’s data capture and mandate.

Please note: ACLED does not collect ‘big data’ or personally identifiable information about individual participants in any of the events that fall within our catchment. Data collection is specifically restricted to the dates, groups, locations, fatalities, and types of political violence and demonstration events.

ACLED defines political violence as the use of force by a group with a political purpose or motivation. ACLED records political violence through its constituent events, the intent of which is to produce a comprehensive overview of all forms of political disorder, expressed through violence and demonstrations, within and across states. A politically violent event is a single altercation where force is used by one or more groups toward a political end. ACLED employs this definition of political violence in every country we cover. It is a core component of the established global methodology.

In addition to political violence events, ACLED also codes both non-violent and violent demonstration events. Demonstrations include events coded with ‘Event Type’ Protests, which in turn encompasses three specific sub-types that appear as ‘Sub-event Types’ in the data: Peaceful protest, Protest with intervention, and Excessive force against protesters. Events coded with ‘Event Type’ Riots include sub-event type Violent demonstration.

ACLED codes all physical congregations of three or more people (single-person demonstrations are not coded) as a demonstration when they are directed against a political entity, government institution, policy, group or individual, tradition or event, businesses, or other private institutions. This includes demonstrations affiliated with an organization (e.g. NAACP), a movement (e.g. Black Lives Matter), or a political party (e.g. Republicans), as well as those affiliated with identity groups (e.g. LGBT, women, Native Americans). Whenever such salient identities exist, they will be coded as an ‘Associated Actor’ to the respective primary actor (for more on coding decisions, see the ACLED Codebook). In addition, ACLED also codes demonstrations around a certain topic, even if not associated with a specific identity group or organization (e.g. against climate change, anti-vaxxers, COVID-19 restrictions, etc.).

Given the above-outlined definition, political or party rallies, town hall meetings, and caucuses are not coded as ‘demonstrations’ by ACLED, as they reflect regular political activity by members of political organizations, civil society, and the general public. ACLED covers the occurrence of events, not the absence of action; this means that physical congregations of people are coded, while a labor strike where workers stay at home is not (though significantly large strikes would be captured by ACLED as ‘Strategic developments’). Symbolic public acts are also not coded as ‘demonstrations’ — such as displays of flags, putting up a sign in one’s yard, written chalk messages on sidewalks, a congressional walkout, etc. Additionally, vigils that are not intended to manifest any protest message also do not fulfill ACLED’s requirements for inclusion."

Officers that took place in the violence were arrested, but so far there isn't evidence that off duty officers participated in violence. 900k police officers in the US, yes, I'm sure one or two were at the riots. Doesn't mean they participated.

I never said they participated in violence. I said the off duty officers breached the capitol building. Once again putting your shitty reading skills on display for people to see. HILARIOUS.

And...? Who cares? 74 million Trump voters. You found a few racists, congrats. Would you like a medal? Plenty of felons, sex offenders, so on, at BLM protests, I'm sure if I wasted time I could give you a laundry list of them that were arrested during BLM riots.

That's funny, because out of the millions of anti-police brutality protestors this last year I never saw ONE nazi flag. Not one. According to your genius law of averages, there should have been a couple. Or at least ONE confederate battle flag. But there were none. Weird huh? So the real question is, why would you support a political figure who draws out the only people in America waving those symbols? Why would you enter the capitol building alongside those types of people, even if it is only "a few"? Racists are one thing, but I make it a general rule not to support any cause or event if it draws the support of even one Nazi. But hey Gyfts, I see where you set YOUR standards.

You keep labeling me "leftist" but know nothing about me. I do not affiliate with partisan politics, and actually registered republican to vote for Ron Paul when he ran (fuck Rand Paul). You are clearly brainwashed by partisan media. I'm not going to address your other points because your opinions are deflective, played out and cyclical. You clearly can't even read. I hope I never meet you or anyone like you. Have fun screaming into the void, I give up trying to shake sense into you.

[TwitchySeal]

I already tried explaining to him what the ACLED was.  Guess I failed.

[Gyfts]

You post a link to thread where you fail to provide a single source or credible citation for your claims against the ACLED.

The ACLED blatantly lied about the Breonna Taylor shooting and the Ahmaud Arbery shooting and I describe in detail how they get it wrong. The report was in regards to BLM violence so why should I take them seriously about anything if they can't get the facts right?

If you want sources for the Breonna Taylor situation, go look to the KY Attorney General press conference - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eo5EUG7P2bw

Ahmaud Arbery you can find CCTV footage of him strolling through a construction site with a 911 call reporting him. Would you like a link?

you would already have the answers you claim I can't provide. If I spoon feed it to you, I doubt you'll actually read it. Even IF you read it, you'll just shift your argument anyways. I shouldn't bother, but here you go. Here is something you could have easily read yourself if you had more than an 8th grade learning curve

You're right, I won't read it, because it's full of shit which is why you're afraid to answer any of my questions directly. They don't use objective methodology at all. If they do, provide me the exact answers to my questions. I'll even make it easy and put them in a neat list.

1.) What objective method do they use to categorize something as violent. (Someone spitting on someone is violence, someone committing a mass shooting is violence. Does their model differentiate these two events, and in what way?
2.) How do they differentiate between the severity of violence?
3.) Where do they get that data from?
4.) Do police departments disclose the amount of resources used at riots to quantify the violence to Acledata?
5.) How do they objectively verify how many violent participators are at these events?
6.) Does a protest in a small town that resulted in no violence scale appropriately to a riot in Portland or Minneapolis? Or are they equal in weight?

I look forward to you dodging all of these questions while thinking of some petty insult as a diversion so at least be creative and make me laugh.

I never said they participated in violence. I said the off duty officers breached the capitol building. Once again putting your shitty reading skills on display for people to see. HILARIOUS.

If they didn't engage in violence stop crying about it. If they did something illegal, they will face consequences. 900K cops in the US, yes, one or two could have participated.

That's funny, because out of the millions of anti-police brutality protestors this last year I never saw ONE nazi flag. Not one. According to your genius law of averages, there should have been a couple.

No, you just saw Targets being looted and apartment buildings lit on fire. Are you pretending as if the US did not see the worst riots in history resulting in 2 billion dollars worth of damage? And you draw the line at a Nazi flag and not a burning building?

You keep labeling me "leftist" but know nothing about me. I do not affiliate with partisan politics, and actually registered republican to vote for Ron Paul when he ran (fuck Rand Paul). You are clearly brainwashed by partisan media.

Well, it's one of two things -- you are a leftist or you are mentally deranged. Perhaps the two are not mutually exclusive.

I'm not going to address your other points because your opinions are deflective, played out and cyclical.

Never mind, you are a leftist.

[TwitchySeal]

You're right, I won't read it, because it's full of shit which is why you're afraid to answer any of my questions directly. They don't use objective methodology at all. If they do, provide me the exact answers to my questions. I'll even make it easy and put them in a neat list.

1.) What objective method do they use to categorize something as violent. (Someone spitting on someone is violence, someone committing a mass shooting is violence. Does their model differentiate these two events, and in what way?
2.) How do they differentiate between the severity of violence?
3.) Where do they get that data from?
4.) Do police departments disclose the amount of resources used at riots to quantify the violence to Acledata?
5.) How do they objectively verify how many violent participators are at these events?
6.) Does a protest in a small town that resulted in no violence scale appropriately to a riot in Portland or Minneapolis? Or are they equal in weight?

I look forward to you dodging all of these questions while thinking of some petty insult as a diversion so at least be creative and make me laugh.

Did you forget I already showed you where to find the answers?  Or are you really asking someone to read it for you and then write up a report?

Because it's a terrible take to assign arbitrary percentages

They aren't arbitrary percentages.  The ACLED is transparent in their methodology and explain it in excruciating detail. https://acleddata.com/acleddatanew/wp-content/uploads/dlm_uploads/2020/10/ACLED_USAMethodology_2020.pdf

Every different type of event, how they code it, what the definition of 'violence' is, what makes something an 'protest', 'counter protest' or 'riot' or 'demonstration', how the data is collected, what tools they use, all of the raw data itself - all of it is public.  

Seems like you're intentionally making it difficult to continue the discussion. 

[Gyfts]

...

You're linking me to walls of text instead of directly answering the question because you know very well that you couldn't answer the questions alone, and the reason is because they're using arbitrary data collection methods. It's impossible to assign some random percentage to the violence of the BLM riots that went on through the summer. You can't objectively quantify violence lmao. At best you could attach a body count which is something like 35 people dead over the span of the BLM riots.

Second point, it's already a bizarre metric to take all the BLM protests and create a ratio of violent/non-violent protests. It's like taking the ratio of OJ Simpson stabbing someone/not stabbing someone and declaring that OJ Simpson is a 99.99 percent peaceful man. It's ridiculous, and it's no surprise this joke of an organization stated two blatant falsehoods about Breonna Taylor and Ahmaud Arbery. Forgive me for not wasting my time and reading their data collection methods that's 20 pages long.

[gideonpadang]

If you are a trump supporter you are most likely someone who still believes in his lies and tries to threaten the democracy.
I don’t think ppl has realized the severity of the actions he took at that capitol. This is really annoying and disgusting

[gideonpadang]

 trump supporter is the most disgusting thing ive ever heard my god

[TwitchySeal]

...

You're linking me to walls of text instead of directly answering the question because you know very well that you couldn't answer the questions alone, and the reason is because they're using arbitrary data collection methods.

Cliffs:

You claimed ACLED uses arbitrary data collection methods.
I provide you with a link to the "ACLED Methodology and Coding Decisions around Political Violence and Demonstrations in the United States of America"
You refuse to read it.
You conclude that you were correct about them being arbitrary and I provided the link because I know you're right.

Forgive me for not wasting my time and reading their data collection methods that's 20 pages long.

Nothing wrong with not reading it, unless you're going to go around making claims about their data collection methods.

[xmready]

You're right, I won't read it.

And there it is folks. You want answers, but won't read the answers. There is no way for me to answer you directly without citing another source, that is how proving something works. You construct an impossible standard so that no one can change your opinion. Every single answer to those questions is in the "wall of text" you refuse to read. I'm starting to think you are a troll or an agent of dissent. Who do you work for Gyfts?

[mindrust]

Meanwhile Antifa keeps going crazy...

Antifa rioters descended on Tacoma, Washington, starting fires and trashing buildings in outrage over viral video of a police officer driving his squad car through a crowd of illegal street racers.

Videos showed numerous fires and businesses smashed up late Sunday as at least 200 people took to the streets close to where the officer had sped through a crowd the previous night, running over at least one person.

Antifa rioters smash up Tacoma in rampage over cop driving through crowd

As peaceful as it gets.

[xmready]

Meanwhile Antifa keeps going crazy...

Antifa is not an organization, it a decentralized ideology. Antifacist Action is the name of one of the the small groups that were there if you want to actually be accurate. It was founded in the UK in 1985 and has no direct affiliation with other small groups founded in the USA that have the word "Antifacist" or "Antifa" as part of a longer name. What you and the main stream media don't seem to realize is that these protests/riots are comprised of many small groups with different names and agendas. Even though the people smashing police cars weren't the same people who were waving the Antifacist Action flag, the media puts "Antifa" in their headline because those titles have a high click rate. The people waving the Antifacist Action flag were seen pulling down barricades during this particular riot, if you wanna be accurate.

[TwitchySeal]

Meanwhile Antifa keeps going crazy...

Antifa is not an organization, it a decentralized ideology. Antifacist Action is the name of one of the the small groups that were there if you want to actually be accurate. It was founded in the UK in 1985 and has no direct affiliation with other small groups founded in the USA that have the word "Antifacist" or "Antifa" as part of a longer name. What you and the main stream media don't seem to realize is that these protests/riots are comprised of many small groups with different names and agendas.

There is some irony in Trump deciding that his followers will believe Antifa is to blame for all that is bad and he alone can protect them.  

But yeah, you aren't going to convince these guys that Antifa is anything other than what Trump said they are.

[dupeddonk]

Meanwhile Antifa keeps going crazy...

Antifa is not an organization, it a decentralized ideology. Antifacist Action is the name of one of the the small groups that were there if you want to actually be accurate. It was founded in the UK in 1985 and has no direct affiliation with other small groups founded in the USA that have the word "Antifacist" or "Antifa" as part of a longer name. What you and the main stream media don't seem to realize is that these protests/riots are comprised of many small groups with different names and agendas.

There is some irony in Trump deciding that his followers will believe Antifa is to blame for all that is bad and he alone can protect them.  

But yeah, you aren't going to convince these guys that Antifa is anything other than what Trump said they are.

nothing like some old fashioned fascism to shut those ant fascists up!

[Gyfts]

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...

It's a form of gish gallop. The 20 page report doesn't have any of the answers to the questions I asked so it'd be easier just to tell me I'm being lazy...which I openly admit I am being completely lazy. The questions I asked can't be answered. It was to prove the point that you can't use a crystal ball to quantify all the violence objectively.

Nah, he's just a confused sig campaigner. His employer is in his signature space (as is mine for that matter except I don't get paid to post in this section).

haha, yes

[mindrust]

https://www.bitchute.com/video/DYlb92zMkj41/

I suggest you to watch this one.

Was the capitol riot an orchestrated fake event?

Please don't come and spew shit without watching the video.

[TwitchySeal]

https://www.bitchute.com/video/DYlb92zMkj41/

I suggest you to watch this one.

Was the capitol riot an orchestrated fake event?

Please don't come and spew shit without watching the video.

Nope. Definitely not a fake event.

[sirazimuth]

https://www.bitchute.com/video/DYlb92zMkj41/

I suggest you to watch this one.

Was the capitol riot an orchestrated fake event?

Please don't come and spew shit without watching the video.

I watched the vid.
Seriously dude? Are you that credulous?
Hey go watch some flat earth vids, you will be convinced, no doubt....

[suchmoon]

I watched the vid.
Seriously dude? Are you that credulous?
Hey go watch some flat earth vids, you will be convinced, no doubt....

Hey, don't insult flat-earthers. Their IQ might be at room temperature but they're real stable geniuses compared to qanonists. You could at least get a good laugh out of notbatman... these election conspiratards just paste random links.

[Tash]

Trump's lawyer, giving plenty
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=el4O9pSpX6U&feature=youtu.be

[mindrust]

Trump's lawyer, giving plenty
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=el4O9pSpX6U&feature=youtu.be

They only changed some tweet's date and connected it to the Capitol riot and so WHAT? it isn't like they manufactured fake evidence! Go away pleb nothing to see here. The ministry of truth says this claim is disputed.

 

[suchmoon]

Wow, congrats on completing the final step of your transformation to BADecker.

As the self-appointed (as of two minutes ago) P&S nutcase appraiser I will not accept this unless mindrust declares that Trump is the second coming of Jesus.

[BADecker]

Trump's lawyer, giving plenty
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=el4O9pSpX6U&feature=youtu.be

https://i.ibb.co/3FQf9FD/Untitled-2.png

They only changed some tweet's date and connected it to the Capitol riot and so WHAT? it isn't like they manufactured fake evidence! Go away pleb nothing to see here. The ministry of truth says this claim is disputed.

 

They manufactured real evidence, but then used it in a fake way. Btw, click the link^.

 

[Vod]

They manufactured real evidence, but then used it in a fake way.

Like the real evidence of the Mediterranean sea flooding being used as a fake warning of global flooding by your jealous god?

 

[squatz1]

Glenn Greenwald is going off on twitter about retractions from NYTimes (and some others) relating to their initial story that alleged that a Capitol Police officer died after being struck with a fire extinguisher during the raid of the Capitol.

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1361084822152749056

Seems like the reason behind the death is unknown now, but Greenwald is taking this as an opportunity to go on a rant about stories that are pushed out the door too quickly to appease democrats that simply want to be angry at Trump (and fans of Trump)

Interesting story into the current world we have of mass media not always being 100% true.

[Nikola95]

Huh, after everything happened in US in last few years, one thing is certain. It's citizens are fast to use gun. Both police and population. I know it's huge country, but there is too much gun usage. Many killed. Police is killing with ease. Huge problems there that can't be solved just by BLM or any other group of people protesting, and can't be solved just by getting new president.

[BADecker]

Pro-Trump Anti-Trump rioters breach Capitol, forcing lockdown; one person shot...

[Pancho95]

If someone who wants to promote democracy as a system, it is very sad to see those happenings. It's like a knife in the heart of democracy on so many levels. It is hard to believe again in USA's political system, as who guarantee that for every election it is not going to happen again? Maybe with more casualties?

[Tash]

If someone who wants to promote democracy as a system, it is very sad to see those happenings. It's like a knife in the heart of democracy on so many levels. It is hard to believe again in USA's political system, as who guarantee that for every election it is not going to happen again? Maybe with more casualties?

Democracy is the dictatorship of the stupid.
Two school drop-outs will tell the Professor with a two-thirds majority. what is right.
Move forward with self-management, all kinds of alliances from small to large, cooperation instead of coercion.

[Tzupy]

JUST IN: Capitol Police Officer Brian Sicknick Suffered Two Strokes and Died of Natural Causes, Medical Examiner Rules
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/04/just-capitol-police-officer-brian-sicknick-suffered-two-strokes-died-natural-causes-medical-examiner-rules/

[TwitchySeal]

Move forward with self-management, all kinds of alliances from small to large, cooperation instead of coercion.

You mean like a democracy with local state and federal governments?

[Tash]

Move forward with self-management, all kinds of alliances from small to large, cooperation instead of coercion.

You mean like a democracy with local state and federal governments?

Govern yourself and dont let others tell you what to do and steer you the wrong way.
Your Life, Your Way.
Democracy is two fools telling the professor whats right, with 2/3 majority vote.   Aka dictatorship of the stupid.

Get yourself a diplomatic passport and free yourself from tyranny.   Diplomatic immunity for travel tickets, fees... and no taxes also (except sales tax).

Plenty of pretend bitcoiners (goofment bootlickers) around this days, gone are the good old days.

[TwitchySeal]

Democracy is two fools telling the professor whats right, with 2/3 majority vote.   Aka dictatorship of the stupid.

In a dictatorship there is no voting.  One person just has all the power.  That's what happens in the absence of democracy.

[Tash]

Democracy is two fools telling the professor whats right, with 2/3 majority vote.   Aka dictatorship of the stupid.

In a dictatorship there is no voting.  One person just has all the power.  That's what happens in the absence of democracy.

It is not a democracy if someone votes for me, the opposite i would have voted. That is not a democracy, its a elaborated scam.
The sooner the world frees itself from three evils, politician, police and priest the sooner there is prosperity, peace and progress.

Govern yourself, be your own king. Get yourself a dog, to have someone to rule and tell him when to sit.
http://governyourself.com/index.html

[Natsuu]

Democracy is two fools telling the professor whats right, with 2/3 majority vote.   Aka dictatorship of the stupid.

In a dictatorship there is no voting.  One person just has all the power.  That's what happens in the absence of democracy.

It is not a democracy if someone votes for me, the opposite i would have voted. That is not a democracy, its a elaborated scam.
The sooner the world frees itself from three evils, politician, police and priest the sooner there is prosperity, peace and progress.

Govern yourself, be your own king. Get yourself a dog, to have someone to rule and tell him when to sit.
http://governyourself.com/index.html

What is democracy for you then? define democracy in your own perspective with regards to the topic in this thread. About VOTING. Please elaborate

[Tash]

......................
What is democracy for you then?

Hopelessly outdated failed experiment. 

[PrimeNumber7]

Democracy is two fools telling the professor whats right, with 2/3 majority vote.   Aka dictatorship of the stupid.

In a dictatorship there is no voting.  One person just has all the power.  That's what happens in the absence of democracy.

That is not quite right. There is voting in China Russia, and even in North Korea. Elections in these countries are obviously not free and fair elections.

[Xinarae*]

Such a presidential election has never been seen before in the history of the united states usually all the related accounts are settled as soon as the result of the election is confirmed. But just as it has taken time to confirm the outcome of the vote so has the uncertainty over the transfer of power both houses of the legislature have a role to play in ensuring decentralization of power in the US political system the self correction they have made has been possible only for democratic institutions. The institutions are judiciary legislature administrative system and.

[Natsuu]

......................
What is democracy for you then?

Hopelessly outdated failed experiment. 

Then what do you propose?

How can a nation decide which is which if voting is not an option, "CAUSE IT"S DICATORSHIP TO FORCE YOU OUT OF SOMETHING THE MAJORITY WANTS"

[Tash]

..................
voting is not an option

Voting is an option, unlike now where someone else votes/decides for me. Voting for the right policy like deciding what coffee to buy.
Take control of every aspect of life, not only financially with Bitcoin (yes lots of no-coiners in forum)

[TwitchySeal]

..................
voting is not an option

Voting is an option, unlike now where someone else votes/decides for me. Voting for the right policy like deciding what coffee to buy.
Take control of every aspect of life, not only financially with Bitcoin (yes lots of no-coiners in forum)

Have you ever voted?

[BADecker]

..................
voting is not an option

Voting is an option, unlike now where someone else votes/decides for me. Voting for the right policy like deciding what coffee to buy.
Take control of every aspect of life, not only financially with Bitcoin (yes lots of no-coiners in forum)

Have you ever voted?

Voting - in the USA, at least - is private stuff. If it wasn't, W wouldn't have won against Gore. Why not? Because Gore had all the evidence of jam-ups in the voting machines. And he presented it to the Supreme Court. The thing Gore lacked that lost him the race was even one man/woman who knew which of those jam-ups was his/hers, so he/she could go into court and say he/she was wronged. Right to privacy in voting.

Of course W screwed the vote through problematic voting machines. But he got away with it.

Same said with Biden. He beat Trump because nobody has gone to SCOTUS in a man-to-man way stating that he was harmed by the vote somehow. If Trump wanted to win, all he would have to do is become smart enough to find a couple of people who could show their injury from the election fraud, and prove it to SCOTUS, man-to-man style.

And you want Tash to give up his privacy? How genuinely despicable of you.

[TwitchySeal]

Same said with Biden. He beat Trump

You've come so far.  I'm proud of you.

[BADecker]

Same said with Biden. He beat Trump

You've come so far.  I'm proud of you.

You've come so far. I'm proud of you. You learned to read a little. But you still didn't get it, did you!

W won because he cheated against Gore.

Obama was a nobody who cheated his way in a bit more carefully than Hillary could have.

Trump simply cheated a little more strongly than Hillary.

Biden didn't know up from down. But some strong cheaters - many of whom now realize the mistake they made - wanted to get Trump out at all costs. 'Biden in' was simply one of their cheating strategies to get Trump out.

Wake up! Winning in politics is all about cheating. This election is showing the people what has been happening for at least a couple of decades.

[TwitchySeal]

Same said with Biden. He beat Trump

You've come so far.  I'm proud of you.

You've come so far. I'm proud of you. You learned to read a little. But you still didn't get it, did you!

W won because he cheated against Gore.

Obama was a nobody who cheated his way in a bit more carefully than Hillary could have.

Trump simply cheated a little more strongly than Hillary.

Biden didn't know up from down. But some strong cheaters - many of whom now realize the mistake they made - wanted to get Trump out at all costs. 'Biden in' was simply one of their cheating strategies to get Trump out.

Wake up! Winning in politics is all about cheating. This election is showing the people what has been happening for at least a couple of decades.

Ok but remember how sure you were that Trump wouldn't be leaving the White House, then Biden was at a fake White House, and Trump would be inaugurated in March?

That's a big difference from this:

Same said with Biden. He beat Trump

[BADecker]

You've come so far. I'm proud of you. You learned to read a little. But you still didn't get it, did you!

W won because he cheated against Gore.

Obama was a nobody who cheated his way in a bit more carefully than Hillary could have.

Trump simply cheated a little more strongly than Hillary.

Biden didn't know up from down. But some strong cheaters - many of whom now realize the mistake they made - wanted to get Trump out at all costs. 'Biden in' was simply one of their cheating strategies to get Trump out.

Wake up! Winning in politics is all about cheating. This election is showing the people what has been happening for at least a couple of decades.

Ok but remember how sure you were that Trump wouldn't be leaving the White House, then Biden was at a fake White House, and Trump would be inaugurated in March?

That's a big difference from this:

Same said with Biden. He beat Trump

Give a monkey a typewriter, and he'll probably type a word sometime.

That semi-mistake was my monkey typewritten word. And it isn't over yet. Many States are recounting the votes very thoroughly... and checking out the voting machines with great care. The votes are legally to be kept for 22 months after the election, right? We aren't even to the first year yet. It all means nothing if the States decide to do the election over.

Besides, with all the green screens behind Biden, nobody knows that he is even in the White House.

[Gyfts]

LOL https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-seizes-90000-man-who-sold-footage-us-capitol-riot-2021-05-21/

This man was a left wing activist/rioter that breached the capitol building and captured footage of the Ashli Babbit shooting, to which he appeared on CNN and was able to make 90,000 USD off selling the video. The feds seized his 90k pay day, and he's being slapped with rioting related charges. He claimed he was a "journalist". Don't think that excuse will hold up in court but we'll see.

[PrimeNumber7]

LOL https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-seizes-90000-man-who-sold-footage-us-capitol-riot-2021-05-21/

This man was a left wing activist/rioter that breached the capitol building and captured footage of the Ashli Babbit shooting, to which he appeared on CNN and was able to make 90,000 USD off selling the video. The feds seized his 90k pay day, and he's being slapped with rioting related charges. He claimed he was a "journalist". Don't think that excuse will hold up in court but we'll see.

According to the report, he was encouraging those at the capital to cause damage. Once you start encouraging people to riot, or otherwise commit crimes, you stop being a journalist. If he had simply kept his mouth shut at the capital, he would be $90 grand richer.

This obviously goes against the narrative of the Democrats. It’s too bad that so much of the security footage has been kept from the public.

[TwitchySeal]

LOL https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-seizes-90000-man-who-sold-footage-us-capitol-riot-2021-05-21/

This man was a left wing activist/rioter that breached the capitol building and captured footage of the Ashli Babbit shooting, to which he appeared on CNN and was able to make 90,000 USD off selling the video. The feds seized his 90k pay day, and he's being slapped with rioting related charges. He claimed he was a "journalist". Don't think that excuse will hold up in court but we'll see.

According to the report, he was encouraging those at the capital to cause damage. Once you start encouraging people to riot, or otherwise commit crimes, you stop being a journalist. If he had simply kept his mouth shut at the capital, he would be $90 grand richer.

This obviously goes against the narrative of the Democrats. It’s too bad that so much of the security footage has been kept from the public.

Theres literally tens of thousands of hours of footage available. you really think we dont have enough?

And you literally said whoever allowed footage of the george flloyd murder to be made public ahould be crimimally charged. Almost as if you only think footage that is good politically should be public and none that doesnt.

[Natsuu]

You've come so far. I'm proud of you. You learned to read a little. But you still didn't get it, did you!

W won because he cheated against Gore.

Obama was a nobody who cheated his way in a bit more carefully than Hillary could have.

Trump simply cheated a little more strongly than Hillary.

Biden didn't know up from down. But some strong cheaters - many of whom now realize the mistake they made - wanted to get Trump out at all costs. 'Biden in' was simply one of their cheating strategies to get Trump out.

Wake up! Winning in politics is all about cheating. This election is showing the people what has been happening for at least a couple of decades.

Ok but remember how sure you were that Trump wouldn't be leaving the White House, then Biden was at a fake White House, and Trump would be inaugurated in March?

That's a big difference from this:

Same said with Biden. He beat Trump

Give a monkey a typewriter, and he'll probably type a word sometime.

That semi-mistake was my monkey typewritten word. And it isn't over yet. Many States are recounting the votes very thoroughly... and checking out the voting machines with great care. The votes are legally to be kept for 22 months after the election, right? We aren't even to the first year yet. It all means nothing if the States decide to do the election over.

Besides, with all the green screens behind Biden, nobody knows that he is even in the White House.

"EXCUSES"

I am laughing hard as you write this kind of excuse. My little brother can make a better excuse than the one you have written. LMAO

That thorough counting has been done over and over again for some time now, and what did I read few months ago? Biden's lead increases. OOPS

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And you literally said whoever allowed footage of the george flloyd murder to be made public ahould be crimimally charged. Almost as if you only think footage that is good politically should be public and none that doesnt.

That is not what I said. I said that those who withheld the additional bodycam footage of Floyd's arrest that shows Chauvin's knee on Floyd's back and shoulder should be held criminally liable. The additional footage could have stopped the riots, where dozens of innocent people died. As I am calling for in the January 6 protests, I think more footage should have been made public in the Floyd case.

No, there is not enough footage showing what happened during the Jan 6 protests. There were tens of thousands of people at the protests on January 6, and hundreds of people went inside the capital. The capital building covers over 175k square feet. There was over 5 hours from when Trump's rally started to when the Capital building was finally cleared.