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January 11, 2021, 05:49:32 AM
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Having supported Donald Trump till the election day on 3rd November, I have to say with a lot of pain that he is looking like a buffoon now. The left setout a trap for him, and he was stupid enough to fall for it. Even before the elections, there was widespread propaganda in the mainstream media that Trump would resort to violence, if the results go the other way. And now his actions have given justification to those predictions.

Whether there was electoral fraud or not is an entirely different thing. Even before the elections, it was well known that the postal ballot system is not really free from fraudulent practises. Trump should have taken the necessary steps before the elections, rather than whining about it after the elections. Afterall, the SCOTUS had a 5-4 conservative majority and he had a golden opportunity to make sure that voter fraud doesn't happen in the inner city areas. He refused to act before the elections.

And when he lost the elections, he tried to harm his own party. The GOP did exceptionally well in the house elections (gaing at least 15 seats from the Dems) and did somewhat better than expected during the senate elections (by winning senate seats in hotly contested states such as Iowa, Maine, North Carolina and Texas). But then Trump's refusal to help them cost the two senate seats from Georgia.

A peaceful handover would have been the best thing to do, and it could have resulted in GOP getting House/Senate majority by 2022. Trump, as a result of his ego refused to do that and now Democrats have the trifecta power.
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January 11, 2021, 06:18:10 AM
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.... Even before the elections, it was well known that the postal ballot system is not really free from fraudulent practises.....

No it wasn't.    citation needed

That was something repeated and retweeted, by impotus ad infinitum with zero evidence, until all his idiot minions accepted it as fact.
Because they heard it on their twatter, farcebook, instagram feeds, so it must be true.

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January 11, 2021, 07:25:14 AM
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They banned him because he refused to attend Biden's inauguration. I posted a link to @TwitterSafety earlier where they openly admitted this. Trump did not tell people to go out and be violent, if he did, he deserves the ban.

Context matters. Sure he didn't tell them "go and kill a cop at the Capitol" but he did tell them to go there and disrupt the proceedings and it resulted in violence. It's disingenuous to deny that Trump's rhetoric is inciting violence. And he is not backing down from the underlying false claims of election fraud, which is what encourages his supporters to be violent.

I'm not defending Twitter in any way - I think their whole system is thoroughly fucked since it's basically a trolling platform - but Trump doesn't have any plausible argument in this dispute. If he's too obnoxious even for Twitter that's entirely his problem.

He's responsible for being inflammatory. Absolutely agree on that. There is a fine line of incitement and reckless political rhetoric. Trump has engaged in reckless political rhetoric similar to when Bernie Sanders demonized Republicans causing a staunch supporter of his to go shoot up a baseball field. Lot of people like to wear rose colored glasses when they look back upon Steve Scalise being shot because Bernie Sanders reminds everyone of a grandpa that means well, but taking a quick glance at his Twitter feed - it's clear he is as divisive as it gets. Politics tends to be a zero sum game and it's all about smearing shit on the wall for short term victories. Trump tends to take a bulldozer to the wall most times though so you have a point.

Trump is responsible for raising the temperature and creating tension, but he can't be held responsible unless he was a direct cause of the violence -- meaning he didn't tell people go out and riot, be violent.

Yes, they did - over and over.  Mostly when he was spreading misinformation about the election process and outcome.

Well they sure sound like a publisher when they fact check him over and over again. Regardless, that wasn't the primary reason of the ban. And sure, Trump did spread a lot of unhinged conspiracies that were wildly inappropriate. People do here as well. Doesn't mean I personally think they should be banned. But that is Twitter's choice.

You should click on the link and read the article.  If you already did, it would seem like you're intentionally taking it out of cont

No no no. Their reasoning was complete utter shit and I am taking absolutely nothing out of context.


Twitter's reasoning for the ban:

"We assessed the two Tweets referenced above under our Glorification of Violence policy, which aims to prevent the glorification of violence that could inspire others to replicate violent acts and determined that they were highly likely to encourage and inspire people to replicate the criminal acts that took place at the U.S. Capitol on January 6, 2021."

The cited tweet was Trump saying that he would not attend the inauguration. That is reaching at straws. With how lose the interpretation is, you could tie literally any tweet from a politician as a call for violence. When democrats were whining about the election in 2016 and delegitimizing Trump's victory, I'm sure I could find some tweets that could very loosely encourage violence by bending over backwards in logic the way Twitter is.


Bernie didn't incite violence.  Trump did.  Many times. So, no, I don't think Bernie should be banned from Twitter.  But if Twitter wants to ban Bernie, I think it should be the response of their users they have to worry about, not the government.

And they aren't my rules.  It's basic ethics. Dorsey built twitter and is the current CEO - if someone is using twitter to do something horrible, it's his responsibility to stop them from using twitter.


Bernie didn't incite violence, just talked about how evil Republicans were and how they wanted to kill your grandmother through social security and Medicare cuts.

Setting that all side -- the US is beyond the point of repair and you are not looking at the bigger picture here. Twitter is not doing this because Trump tweets stupid shit. They're doing this because they know democrats control the government and will pressure them into removing Republican presence on social media sites. It's a whole lot easier to win elections when you control forms of online media.

And on this point, silencing people who I disagree with is generally an awful take and it is incredibly decisive. 74+ million voted for Trump, and it's clear Joe Biden/Kamala Harris will not be the unifiers. For some reason, I don't see many people condemning Kamala Harris for when she posted a bailout fund for Minneapolis rioters that were arrested. From what I see, every Republican condemned the violence that occurred this past Wednesday.
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January 11, 2021, 11:59:24 AM
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No no no. Their reasoning was complete utter shit and I am taking absolutely nothing out of context.


Twitter's reasoning for the ban:

"We assessed the two Tweets referenced above under our Glorification of Violence policy, which aims to prevent the glorification of violence that could inspire others to replicate violent acts and determined that they were highly likely to encourage and inspire people to replicate the criminal acts that took place at the U.S. Capitol on January 6, 2021."

The cited tweet was Trump saying that he would not attend the inauguration. That is reaching at straws. With how lose the interpretation is, you could tie literally any tweet from a politician as a call for violence. When democrats were whining about the election in 2016 and delegitimizing Trump's victory, I'm sure I could find some tweets that could very loosely encourage violence by bending over backwards in logic the way Twitter is.


Give me a break, read the first two sentences of the post again and then see if you still want to argue that whether or not he planned to attend the inauguration has literally anything to do with why he was banned.  https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/company/2020/suspension.html

He used twitter to organize the event that ended up being a violent attack.  They banned him to reduce the chances of another one happening.

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January 11, 2021, 04:10:30 PM
Last edit: January 11, 2021, 04:21:06 PM by BitcoinBunny
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Having supported Donald Trump till the election day on 3rd November, I have to say with a lot of pain that he is looking like a buffoon now. The left setout a trap for him, and he was stupid enough to fall for it. Even before the elections, there was widespread propaganda in the mainstream media that Trump would resort to violence, if the results go the other way. And now his actions have given justification to those predictions.

Whether there was electoral fraud or not is an entirely different thing. Even before the elections, it was well known that the postal ballot system is not really free from fraudulent practises. Trump should have taken the necessary steps before the elections, rather than whining about it after the elections. Afterall, the SCOTUS had a 5-4 conservative majority and he had a golden opportunity to make sure that voter fraud doesn't happen in the inner city areas. He refused to act before the elections.

And when he lost the elections, he tried to harm his own party. The GOP did exceptionally well in the house elections (gaing at least 15 seats from the Dems) and did somewhat better than expected during the senate elections (by winning senate seats in hotly contested states such as Iowa, Maine, North Carolina and Texas). But then Trump's refusal to help them cost the two senate seats from Georgia.

A peaceful handover would have been the best thing to do, and it could have resulted in GOP getting House/Senate majority by 2022. Trump, as a result of his ego refused to do that and now Democrats have the trifecta power.

"He refused to act before the elections. "

Are you sure that he even had the clout to intervene in how states conduct their elections? Because I believe he doesn't.
He whined plenty of times before the election about the mail in ballot changes.

I think a mass change in election system should definitely have had more debate / scrutiny than it did despite the supposed dangers of voting during a pandemic.

The media seemed to brush over all that as if it was nothing.
You can bet that the Democrats will want to keep the mail in voting, it suits them nicely I reckon. To still compare "turnout" to previous elections seems a bit bizarre when you can just vote whilst scratching your bare ass at home. "Turnout" for what exactly?

Trump made a big mistake encouraging his voters to only go out on election day. Although at the same time I can fully appreciate the "conservative way" to vote is indeed on election day and not just hand your vote to a mailman.

The mayoral election of London (albeit nowhere near as important) has been postponed to this year rather than changing the election system itself.
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January 11, 2021, 05:47:27 PM
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The mayoral election of London (albeit nowhere near as important) has been postponed to this year rather than changing the election system itself.

You can't reasonably postpone the presidential election since the term ends on Jan 20 and that's hardcoded in the constitution. Postponing the election to e.g. mid-December wouldn't have solved any pandemic-related issues.

Some states have been voting exclusively by mail for years. Mail voting wasn't an issue until Trump decided to blame it for his loss.
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January 11, 2021, 09:24:56 PM
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So it turns out when you deleted a post on Parler they did not remove the content. Just marked it as deleted.

https://cybernews.com/news/70tb-of-parler-users-messages-videos-and-posts-leaked-by-security-researchers/
https://imgur.com/gallery/oFMaMAI

So now all their users have all their info out in public. That's bad for the users. But if you post anything on the internet expect it to be public and there forever. If you think it's not you are an idiot.

But...I figure the owners / operators are about to get the mother of all lawsuits for privacy violations.
Not to mention the GDPR violations that they are about to spend the rest of their life dealing with.

Sucks to be them.

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January 11, 2021, 11:14:02 PM
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So it turns out when you deleted a post on Parler they did not remove the content. Just marked it as deleted.

It also looks like they KYCed some users and kept the dox online.

OTOH it's ridiculous to call the kids who stole the data "security researchers". They hacked the site just like Equifax or CapitalOne "researchers" did, and they should get a hefty book thrown at them for this vigilante nonsense.
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January 12, 2021, 01:00:28 AM
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So it turns out when you deleted a post on Parler they did not remove the content. Just marked it as deleted.

It also looks like they KYCed some users and kept the dox online.

OTOH it's ridiculous to call the kids who stole the data "security researchers". They hacked the site just like Equifax or CapitalOne "researchers" did, and they should get a hefty book thrown at them for this vigilante nonsense.

Yep.

https://lifehacker.com/parler-wasnt-hacked-but-that-doesnt-mean-its-safe-to-u-1845757409

They require you to upload a SSN number to get a verified status LOL.

Yeah, I'm just going to download some shady app that probably data mines every input and then give it my SSN so I get a checkmark to my name! Now the app's offline and the SSN's are probably stored in China somewhere.
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January 14, 2021, 07:30:22 PM
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So it turns out when you deleted a post on Parler they did not remove the content. Just marked it as deleted.

It also looks like they KYCed some users and kept the dox online.

OTOH it's ridiculous to call the kids who stole the data "security researchers". They hacked the site just like Equifax or CapitalOne "researchers" did, and they should get a hefty book thrown at them for this vigilante nonsense.

Yep.

https://lifehacker.com/parler-wasnt-hacked-but-that-doesnt-mean-its-safe-to-u-1845757409

They require you to upload a SSN number to get a verified status LOL.

Yeah, I'm just going to download some shady app that probably data mines every input and then give it my SSN so I get a checkmark to my name! Now the app's offline and the SSN's are probably stored in China somewhere.

WAIT WHAT THE FUCK?

THEY REQUIRE YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER TO GET VERIFIED STATUS? This isn’t a god damn bank with regulatory standards they must adhere to, this is a social media website that could easily weed through ‘real’ and ‘fake’ people.

While I wouldn’t want to provide any information like this, I’d rather send a picture of my ID or something like that. Handing over my SSN is an easy way to lose everything once someone hacks parler and opens up a million credit lines in my name.

Someone should be sounding an alarm right now to not use this app.




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