RESTORING ELECTRUM FROM 2014

[DOKTOR_SKUNK]

I had btc on my ELECTRUM WALLET per years and did not touch em .

Now i decided to look how much it was while price goes up .

Unfortunately i found 0BTC eventhough i can see hunderts of green receiving transactions but on blockchain it does not show any btc sent .

1. I restored my wallet from seed phrase ,because i reinstalled my old laptop many times i dont have my wallet.backup . And i suppose i used blockchain to transfer my BTC back in 2014 ..

What drives my gears is that 1. of my wallets showed information
  wallet type- standard,
  script type- P2WPKH ,
  seed available-false ,
  keystore type -bip32
  lightning -enabled

and second wallet showed information
   wallet type - standard
    script type - P2PKH
   seed available-TRUE
   keystore type - OLD
  lightning - Not available for this wallet
   
Please help me iam so lost .-(

[HCP]

Unfortunately i found 0BTC eventhough i can see hunderts of green receiving transactions but on blockchain it does not show any btc sent .

If you have restored your wallet from seed... and it shows transaction history, but the final balance is 0... then all the Bitcoins have been sent to an external address of some description.

I'm not sure what you mean by "on blockchain it does not show any btc sent"? Do you mean you looked up the addresses on Blockchain.com? If so, what do the "amount received" and "amount sent" values say?

What drives my gears is that 1. of my wallets showed information
  wallet type- standard,
  script type- P2WPKH ,
  seed available-false ,
  keystore type -bip32
  lightning -enabled

This looks like a relatively "new" wallet... as it is a Native Segwit ("bc1"-type addresses)... but no seed?!?! So, I'm guessing you restored that one from a BIP39 seed phrase... and it wasn't an Electrum seed.

and second wallet showed information
   wallet type - standard
    script type - P2PKH
   seed available-TRUE
   keystore type - OLD
  lightning - Not available for this wallet

Looks like a wallet created from an "old" Electrum seed, likely created a long time ago...

What transaction information do you see in Electrum for each of these wallets? Do they both show transaction history?

Also, what version of Electrum did you download/install? Did you get 4.0.9 from electrum.org?

[DOKTOR_SKUNK]

this is what chain info loox like
 
BTC
Payment Request
Donation Button
Address
1MHtgNJ6dwcAeUCpX2NChpKufr4yYKP3m7
Format
UNKNOWN (UNKNOWN)
Transactions
0
Total Received
0.00000000 BTC
Total Sent
0.00000000 BTC
Final Balance
0.00000000 BTC
Transactions

And i have over 600 received like this one , they all come from surveys

Both wallets shows history . ELECTRUM 4.09

1st wallet have every received adress starting with bc1 - bc1qk4xzyfcm8efctdakje7ctj5klkmf9ywkwuhc7a
2nd wallet  have every received adress starting with 1 and there goes letters  - 1EcHrcohDQrA9omZzbA6NmQ1Lg5ZoL6Bxp

[fwman]

Did you check the addresses in an online block explorer? They are empty or not? Do you use new version of Electrum?
Caution: If you have old version of Electrum, and you want to get a new one, make sure you download from original site and Never Never update from your current version because of vulnerability of old versions.

[DOKTOR_SKUNK]

here are examples - https://www.img2go.com/edit-image/editor#j=74154877-86ab-46df-8ce2-5e0df7a136fa
                           - https://www.img2go.com/edit-image/editor#j=7f731629-b79f-4a32-96a7-3ab3646d94e2

[hosseinimr93]

From what I see in the first image, you don't have any bitcoin.
You have only generated some addresses. That doesn't mean you have bitcoin.

[DOKTOR_SKUNK]

weird i can see both links anyway check for urself those transactions online they show sent 0 received 0 but thats crap how could any1 send 0 and i received 0

- bc1qgafx9pvdnmrf7kfdm2urkqymxhskufmudvrvsu
- 1AT3cuAfyKj7LGzUVpi1fw1f9KNyJME4Pm

[DOKTOR_SKUNK]

From what I see in the first image, you don't have any bitcoin.
You have only generated some addresses. That doesn't mean you have bitcoin.

adresses were autogenerated as a receive new adress every time they paid me i insert new adress from electrum but i dont get where are the funds , i remember i was earning smal mbtc from every survey back than when sending btc was FREE not like nowdays ...

why is my history empty ? could i make my wallet offline so my funds went elsewhere ? could i use wrong derivation ?

[nc50lc]

-snip-  those transactions online they show sent 0 received 0 but thats crap how could any1 send 0 and i received 0

That's just a typical result of the blockexplorer that you've used for addresses without any transaction [looks like blockchaindotcom because of "unknown(unknown)" bug in the format].
It just means that the address that you've pasted hadn't received nor sent any bitcoins.

For the wallets:
Your 'bc1' wallet is most likely created when you've launched Electum the first time since the first wallet generation looks like an install window.
So focus on the "old wallet" because it's impossible for an old wallet from 2014 to be native SegWit.

BTW, the images' link were expired or have a download limit, try uploading them to imgur instead.

[DOKTOR_SKUNK]

thank you  - https://imgur.com/cQl47Gu
                - https://imgur.com/FWgMR10             " Oh i forgot to add that i had to changed wallet gap limit to 900 cause there is more than 600 receiving adresses "
                - https://imgur.com/zwnjFpG

I know it seems like mine trasactions were empty but i have my BTC from pool mining and surveys , so i know my BTC stayed there . Meaning i remember received transactions .

In 2014 them BTC came fast as hell so i was checking em if they were received . Never seen my wallet looks so white and clean ...

I dont get my empty history , i was learning to send and receive with this wallet ...

[HCP]

Based on your screenshots, it would appear that the 12 word recover phrase that you have written down, is not the correct phrase for the wallet you were originally using and receiving your BTC to. If it was the correct phrase, you would see all your history.

Electrum seed phrases are "versioned", so it should automatically detect what type of seed phrase you enter... and indeed that seems to be the case, as it created an "old" keystore type:

and second wallet showed information
   wallet type - standard
    script type - P2PKH
   seed available-TRUE
   keystore type - OLD
  lightning - Not available for this wallet

That would line up with a wallet that was created back in 2014.

However, as your transaction history is empty, and the wallet is synced (green dot in lower right corner), then it's safe to assume that this wallet is in fact empty. You either need to recover your original wallet file, or you need to find the correct seed phrase, because the current seed phrase you have is not the one you need to recover your funds.

[nitrocryptonitro]

What results do you get when you type

Code:

listunspent()

in the console tab ?

[nitrocryptonitro]

@HCP
Why does he get a double balance at bottom left?

@DOKTOR_SKUNK
https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/78813/same-seed-from-electrum-but-generate-different-bitcoin-addresses
Could it be the same problem as the one in that link above?

Especially The first answer.
Here quote from that answer:

It has now become apparent that this problem was due to file system corruption and a bug in Electrum. The bug manifests when you create more than one wallet one after the other in a single session. Electrum mistakenly writes the addresses generated from the seed of your first wallet and the seed and xpub from your last wallet to the same wallet file. If you sent money to any of the addresses in the wallet the only way to recover access to those funds is by restoring from the seed of the older wallet you created.

[HCP]

@HCP
Why does he get a double balance at bottom left?

Most likely has the "Fiat" value set to BTC in Tools -> Preferences -> Fiat:

[nc50lc]

-snip-
I know it seems like mine trasactions were empty but i have my BTC from pool mining and surveys , so i know my BTC stayed there . Meaning i remember received transactions .

The bitcoins may have stayed in those mining pool and survey websites' internal wallet, because some of them requires a minimum withdrawal amount before you can send the funds to your own wallet.
If not, it's as HCP said, it's the wrong seed phrase.

@HCP
Why does he get a double balance at bottom left?

Most likely has the "Fiat" value set to BTC in Tools -> Preferences -> Fiat:

Another is the "lightning network" balance after the lightning logo, displayed in screenshot number2.

[DOKTOR_SKUNK]

Based on your screenshots, it would appear that the 12 word recover phrase that you have written down, is not the correct phrase for the wallet you were originally using and receiving your BTC to. If it was the correct phrase, you would see all your history.

Electrum seed phrases are "versioned", so it should automatically detect what type of seed phrase you enter... and indeed that seems to be the case, as it created an "old" keystore type:

and second wallet showed information
   wallet type - standard
    script type - P2PKH
   seed available-TRUE
   keystore type - OLD
  lightning - Not available for this wallet

That would line up with a wallet that was created back in 2014.

However, as your transaction history is empty, and the wallet is synced (green dot in lower right corner), then it's safe to assume that this wallet is in fact empty. You either need to recover your original wallet file, or you need to find the correct seed phrase, because the current seed phrase you have is not the one you need to recover your funds.

AH ok but how come that wallet with wrong seed can be created ? and if how come u can see receiving green adresses when history is empty ...

my seed is 100% correct and in mine times transaction were send immedietally not need to wait for large sum of BTC , exept pools they did it same as today ..

Iam rly sad cause i only used BLOCKCHAIN(forgot seed) and ELECTRUM but electrum have no support at all its damn shame ..

I managed to recover some old files from laptop can any1 please state what was original name of that file i need to recover my old wallet ?

[hosseinimr93]

AH ok but how come that wallet with wrong seed can be created ?

It's possible that the seed belongs to a different wallet.
Also, electrum generates addresses from BIP39 seeds even if the cheksum is failed.

and if how come u can see receiving green adresses when history is empty ...

Electrum highlight all receiving addresses in green. Being heightened in green doesn't mean the address has received bitcoin.  

I managed to recover some old files from laptop can any1 please state what was original name of that file i need to recover my old wallet ?

By default, electrum wallet files are saved in following location.

Code:

%APPDATA%\Electrum\wallets

[HCP]

AH ok but how come that wallet with wrong seed can be created ? and if how come u can see receiving green adresses when history is empty ...

Any "valid" seed will allow you to generate a wallet and restore the addresses... empty or not. Electrum allows a user to create multiple wallets. It would appear you have written down a "valid" seed, but for a different wallet.

Electrum always highlights your "receiving" addresses as green... your "change" addresses as yellow... whether they are used or not, and whether the wallet has any history. A completely empty and unused wallet will still show "green" addresses.

If the "history" tab is empty, then your wallet has no history and you have the wrong seed.

my seed is 100% correct and in mine times transaction were send immedietally not need to wait for large sum of BTC , exept pools they did it same as today ..

You don't have to wait for large sum... he was saying that if you're still mining, you should increase the payout threshold. Having a lot of small value UTXOs, will make any transaction you attempt to send have a large total data size... because the total fee paid for a bitcoin transaction is based on the total data size (regardless of the value actually being sent), then because your data size is very large, the fee will end up being very large too.

This is why people who got tiny amounts of faucets and mining etc end up paying huge fees to send their bitcoins By increasing the payout threshold to something like 0.001 BTC, it helps avoid some of those fee costs.

I managed to recover some old files from laptop can any1 please state what was original name of that file i need to recover my old wallet ?

most likely "default_wallet"... any extra wallets get named "wallet_1", "wallet_2" etc... unless you changed the name when creating the wallet. Then it is impossible to say what the file would be called. Note that Electrum does not use any file extension like .wallet or .dat etc.

Depending on the OS you were using, the wallet file(s) would be stored in a folder called "wallets" in one of these locations:

Where is the Electrum datadir located?

The data directory of Electrum is where wallet files, config settings, logs, blockchain headers, etc are stored.

On Windows:
- Show hidden files
- Go to \Users\YourUserName\AppData\Roaming\Electrum (or %APPDATA%\Electrum)


On Mac:
- Open Finder
- Go to folder (shift+cmd+G) and type ~/.electrum


On Linux:
- Home Folder
- Go -> Location and type ~/.electrum

[DOKTOR_SKUNK]

AH ok but how come that wallet with wrong seed can be created ? and if how come u can see receiving green adresses when history is empty ...

Any "valid" seed will allow you to generate a wallet and restore the addresses... empty or not. Electrum allows a user to create multiple wallets. It would appear you have written down a "valid" seed, but for a different wallet.

This amazed me and iam trying to find out different wallet on every oldmail , but it appear i used blockchain but that seed is not valid so iam stuck with electrum .

This is my old blockchain wallet - 3da37fbb-3d8b-4a40-8dc5-2ae5cb59f093
So i think i have same issue as - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1961522.0

[HCP]

If your 12 words don't work here: https://login.blockchain.com/#/recover and your 12 words don't here: https://login.blockchain.com/wallet/forgot-password?guid= and your 12 words don't work when you import into Electrum using the BIP39 option... then you don't have the same issue as that user.

You know your walletID which is a good start... but the way blockchain.info worked, your 12 words were either a "password recovery" option, or they will restore your "HD" wallet (which were created in around 2016).


In any case, you said originally that you had your funds in an Electrum wallet in 2014... so I'm a little confused as to why you're now talking about blockchain wallets and providing blockchain wallet IDs?

Based on the info you provided earlier, the 12 words you have seem to be creating an "old" Electrum keystore... which means that those 12 words will not be BIP39 compatible. Are your 12 words all found in this list: https://github.com/spesmilo/electrum/blob/master/electrum/old_mnemonic.py#L31 ?