Bitcointalk ranking difficulty

[Oshosondy]

According to some researches, I noticed bitcointalk has been a forum without merit system before, before merit system evolved which was in 2018, people only rank up only with activities but as time goes the forum deployed more ways to have more quality posts. Before merit system was created there were good posters but they are few if compared to now, which makes the merit system a very good part of bitcointalk by increasing users that have more quality posts. As at then when merit system has not been created, to rank up is not had but simple.

After the merit system was created in 2018, many members were not able to rank up again, the merit system was toug but not like of these days, the reason is because many members were automatically given smerits which they still use in inappropriate manners. Later some of these members were unable to continue the use of the smerit inappropriately later relented and later found not to have any merit again in the last 120 days and beyond and the merit system become more difficult as posts are becoming more quality.

People that are just joining bitcointalk have to work harder and have posts full of quality contents before they can rank up, making this forum not friendly to newbies because newbies are the ones that mostly plagiarize, spam, copy/paste and full of shitposting habits. This makes this forum to be harder than the era before merit system was implemented and the time when merit system just started.

The posting quality of even the ranked members have increased, while new members with good quality posts also are the one receiving merits. But many newbies think this forum ranked members are selfish and of which not, they are not selfish. But only the time they leave that thinking behind, read about bitcoin and crypto and make further researches and able to post about these in a quality way will they be merited and rank up.

Newbies should be hard working, patient and believe, these are the three keys to how they can rank up. The ranking difficulty has increased but there are still newbies that rank up while their merit is now enough to achieve more ranks.

[Evilish]

I don't fully understand the purpose behind this post.

I also don't see why it's so important to rank up, it's not like you're getting free BTC with every upgrade. Maybe that's just me, but once you reach "Jr. Member" or "Member" rank and get private messages privilege does it even matter what rank you are? As your activity grows on the forum, your rank will also grow. That's just natural progression. Assuming your posts are helpful you will get merit along the way too.

[Oshosondy]

I don't fully understand the purpose behind this post.

The topic is to just be a reminder for newbies and people that are ranking to know that only quality posts can make them ranked up, that they should learn about the requirement for posting quality posts which hardwork, patience and believe are the three keys they need to achieve these.

[Bitcoin_Arena]

Ranking up shouldn't really be top priority, but gaining knowledge about Bitcoin, other cryptocurrencies, trading and helping others should be. When I was  a newbie, I also thought that merits and ranking up were the most important things in the forum but with time I got to realize that knowledge is the best thing you can ever attain from this community.  Merits and ranking up are just a bonus.

I am striving as much as possible to be a better person tomorrow than I am today and there is no better place than this forum when it comes to Bitcoin and trading. Any knowledge I get here as a result of it being shared by other members improves my position 

[Oshosondy]

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Exactly my point, I have seen on this forum posts like:

How to make money
How to make bitcoin
How to earn merit
And few other similar questions like that

Instead to concentrate on the prerequisites which is how to help each other on this forum while the reward for helping is the merit that will be used to rank up.

[akirasendo17]

I think it's just okay to make it difficult to rank up, because for example, if you are just posting bounty reports and you got one thousand posts, it only means you have one thousand activities, and you can rank up and be like a hero or legendary? that will be unfair to others who from the start are posting tutorials and tips, important things that will make the community benefit from it, I would say that changing the rules to merit and activity is way better, I don't consider it difficult its a challenge and also you can improve in making topics, and the way you compose it.

[OcTradism]

After the merit system was created in 2018, many members were not able to rank up again, the merit system was toug but not like of these days

You opened the account in June 2020 then you don't need to say anything about the forum activities in 2018 or 2019. As you did not the member had experience in these 2 years, what you gave can be not correct. If you wrote it from what you read, it can be true or untrue. I believe if you want to share any fact, it would be from your experience here. If you did not get your real experience, skip it and talk about what you experienced here since June 2020.

Merit & new rank requirements
Writing a welcome message

[cryptoaddictchie]

Ranking up shouldn't really be top priority, but gaining knowledge about Bitcoin, other cryptocurrencies, trading and helping others should be.

You are right. But we can't deny that many of those newbies have their goal on climbing up the ladder as priority. Of course their goal is to increase their rank for some bounty. But lately been seeing a lot of newbies that improved their post and introduced interesting topics.

OP as much as you wanted to remind newbies, I think they are busy on the bounty section looking for Gem. Only if this kind of topic is not off topic there. So they can see post or at least read this.

[YOSHIE]

If ambition and expect as soon as possible, if not achieved in the end disappointed.

here thousands of different heads and minds from the system of achievement that are put in place at this forum. You can judge the true character of each member of this forum.

Manang on this forum generates a lot of Bitcoin / tokens etc., from the hard work of the members themselves to advertise something from a particular company, however, that is all you will get if you have good enough quality in this forum, basically this forum is for the knowledge of crypto like Bitcoin.

The saying goes "if you chase money he will run, the more you chase the farther he runs".
"Let the money chase you, the key is science".
If you have knowledge, you will easily get it all.

[lovesmayfamilis]

Newbies who have different interests in the forum also have different ideas about the merit system.
Look a real newbie who is genuinely learning and really interested in cryptocurrencies. He has no idea what merit is. And having received it does not know what to do with it.
But unfortunately, most of the newbies evaluate the forum as a source of income. And they understand better than you and me that they need merits. Here all sorts of entrepreneurship work for them. Someone tries to create heaps of new topics every day, with the most commonplace questions or copying articles from the Internet, trying to attract attention. And someone just begs, doing absolutely nothing.
The main thing that these people miss is learning and communication. In to earn a penny, they lose the most precious thing, this is their time.

[DdmrDdmr]

Looking over accounts created from the 1st of January 2020 onwards, I make the number of ranked-up accounts to be as follows:

Ranked-up to Sr. Member:      8
Ranked-up to Full Member:   14
Ranked-up to  Member:      136
Ranked-up to  Jr. Member:  460

Of course, those are absolute abstract numbers, without considering context such as how many accounts were created (which is not really useful anyway, due to the amount of empty accounts created), how many are really posting worthwhile content, how many pay attention to rank, and how many disregard it.

From a numerical point of view though, there don’t seem to be that many people capable of reaching an in-between rank such as that of Full Member, which only requires 120 Activity, alongside 100 Merits, the latter being the most difficult.

[Rikafip]

I also don't see why it's so important to rank up, it's not like you're getting free BTC with every upgrade.

That's basically what you get with each rank upgrade via signature campaign. Higher the rank, better the chances of getting into BTC signature campaign and better the money.

From a numerical point of view though, there don’t seem to be that many people capable of reaching an in-between rank such as that of Full Member, which only requires 120 Activity, alongside 100 Merits, the latter being the most difficult.

And then you have some people creating topics in Meta asking for increasing ranking up requirements, and are usually basing that on their own ability to rank up without looking at bigger picture. In reality, someone who is new to  cryptocurrencies and forums in general won't have an easy task to rank up the forum ladder, and the numbers you presented are backing that up.

[Pmalek]

I also don't see why it's so important to rank up, it's not like you're getting free BTC with every upgrade.

As Rikafip pointed out in the post just above mine, most users want to rank up to get better spots in signature campaigns. The difference between a Member and Hero/Legendary rank is often over 100% in terms of weekly pay rates. That's lucrative for most.

A second reason are altcoin bounty campaigns. Most don't accept newbies. Newbies can't wear signatures either. Whether we like it or not, bounties and signature campaigns make up a lot of the activity and traffic on Bitcointalk.

Ranking up is a sort of achievement. Especially for those who started with lower ranks and rose to the highest ones. Everyone likes to see progress and growth.

[KaratX]

According to some researches, I noticed bitcointalk has been a forum without merit system before, before merit system evolved which was in 2018, people only rank up only with activities but as time goes the forum deployed more ways to have more quality posts. Before merit system was created there were good posters but they are few if compared to now, which makes the merit system a very good part of bitcointalk by increasing users that have more quality posts. As at then when merit system has not been created, to rank up is not had but simple.

After the merit system was created in 2018, many members were not able to rank up again, the merit system was toug but not like of these days, the reason is because many members were automatically given smerits which they still use in inappropriate manners. Later some of these members were unable to continue the use of the smerit inappropriately later relented and later found not to have any merit again in the last 120 days and beyond and the merit system become more difficult as posts are becoming more quality.

People that are just joining bitcointalk have to work harder and have posts full of quality contents before they can rank up, making this forum not friendly to newbies because newbies are the ones that mostly plagiarize, spam, copy/paste and full of shitposting habits. This makes this forum to be harder than the era before merit system was implemented and the time when merit system just started.

The posting quality of even the ranked members have increased, while new members with good quality posts also are the one receiving merits. But many newbies think this forum ranked members are selfish and of which not, they are not selfish. But only the time they leave that thinking behind, read about bitcoin and crypto and make further researches and able to post about these in a quality way will they be merited and rank up.

Newbies should be hard working, patient and believe, these are the three keys to how they can rank up. The ranking difficulty has increased but there are still newbies that rank up while their merit is now enough to achieve more ranks.

Ranking up from a newbie is far easier than a member ranking up to a full member, I myself have ranked up over 6 difference newbies before because they are able to share something reasonable, do you know that newbies can ask good questions about crypto and get merited for even thinking about such question? Members hardly get merits in such ways, for example look at this question asked by a newbie and got merited by ognasty, could have merit the guy but have no smerit again

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5304962.msg55972698#msg55972698

[Smartvirus]

They say,
To whom much is given, much is expected!!!

Expecting more from newbies isn't really out of place but, we've got to know the limit of how acquainted they can be of the crypto field at that particular point of there crypto career and sadly, that is a perspective thing so, it becomes increasingly difficult. The early rites of the field faced some, not only that BTC had less value compared to now, the trust in the system was an issue of controversy and interest so, they risked it and got the benefits. Now that BTC has become a booming field, it would be wrong to make it seem too easy to run through the profiles and go pro without scrutiny and that's what the merit and activity systems do.

I have a lot to learn myself and I've very much chatted it up and now, it's left for me to take my challenge to the next step and do the next thing in my crypto career and awareness. People have been challenged and have taken up a lot of crypto courses for this field, creating websites, learn coding, study blockchain technology and lots of other things. These things could be applicable some place else, it's building you. So, i urge most of us with a zeal to prosper in this field to not only look at it as a means to earn but also to improve as well.

[Peanutswar]

Before im just a member getting trouble with the ranking system its better to motivate your self and not change your path, use other members as your challenge to your self. It takes time before I ranked up but still it's not a problem because during this progress you are continuously learning a lot of knowledge by this information and curiosity you are now heading towards to give more contribution to the forum by this there is a chance you will get merit and make another stepping stone to your ranking up.

It's better to observe higher ranks posting habit by that you can earn a lot of idea and knowledge of how to earn merits.

Rank and merits are just useless if you do not learn throughout your progress.

[lienfaye]

If you're a kind of member who only wants to gain knowledge, share an experience on crypto and help other members on what they dont know then ranking up is not really your top priority. On the other side merits and ranking up are important nowadays for users who wants to take advantage the forum to earn, one of that is by joining in a signature campaign.

For newbies, its a must to take time learning and there are many ways to do that. Im not a quality poster but somehow im trying my best to contribute to the topic that I know.

[Raflesia]

Before im just a member getting trouble with the ranking system its better to motivate your self and not change your path, use other members as your challenge to your self. It takes time before I ranked up but still it's not a problem because during this progress you are continuously learning a lot of knowledge by this information and curiosity you are now heading towards to give more contribution to the forum by this there is a chance you will get merit and make another stepping stone to your ranking up.

It's better to observe higher ranks posting habit by that you can earn a lot of idea and knowledge of how to earn merits.

Rank and merits are just useless if you do not learn throughout your progress.

You are a competent person in this forum since joining in early 2020, now you have become a Sr. I know this is a great achievement and have contributed a lot to the forum.

Yeah that's right you said we have to observe a lot of high account posts we will know there how that knowledge will absorb in my mind then any idea from where we will come across there is a lot of knowledge here so I am now as good as possible to do this after knowing what actually in this forum.

Merits are not everything but higher knowledge and insights can increase your degree in this forum even higher.

[Lucius]

Many new users of this forum came here because someone told them that they would only make money by writing posts, but they were not told that it was no longer as easy as before the merit system was introduced. It is very difficult for such users to progress, because they have neither the patience nor the will to learn something, in other words they are not interested in crypto in any other sense than profit.

While there aren’t many, I think everyone knows at least a few users who have made significant progress in the ranks even though they started out as newbies. But they chose a healthy approach, without doing anything by force and falling into depression or leaving the forum if they don’t get a merit every day.

For any new member who is active, curious and eager for knowledge, ranking is not an obstacle, but rather a challenge.

[Slow death]

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I would like someday someone to do statistics:

How many members has the forum Vs how many people are sources of merit

with that you can see that there are few people who will be able to rank up, the problem is precisely because Smerito is confined to a small group of people... it was thrown in the trash that old good feeling that the person had to be classified because he spent a lot of time on the forum.