Bitcointalk ranking difficulty

[BITCOIN4X]

*remember the wise word: 'don't feed spammers'...
many people may feel that the merit system is totally unfair but for me, it is very fair. Just imagine if there is no merit system then we will see hundreds of spammers who grow to become legendary every month. *don't stop to deepen your horizons so you can make quality posts

The merit system has worked well to prevent spammers from naturally rising in the rank of forum since early 2018. Additionally, the merit system has triggered most users to change their bad habits regarding post quality if they really care about rank. Merit shouldn't be anyone's priority because I'm sure merit will come naturally if users can post quality stuff. It will also be tiring if we always think about merit.

One thing I always remember is "the reward would never stop anyone from rank if we could post quality". Theymos idea is perfect for making forums cleaner than ever just because of the merit system implementation.

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[AakZaki]

Many beginners have climbed the rankings with good quality posts and can adapt to forums. But some beginners are also pessimists with the merit system that is implemented because it is not easy to get merit. When beginners remain consistent and work hard, merit will be easy to obtain, depending on the contribution given. The current system is to reduce incompetent members and reduce farming accounts. When you deserve to get merit from the post you provide you can submit it. Many threads give merit to quality posts. so keep trying and be a good member and have a contribution to this forum.

[SolGleo]

Let's make it simple, all you need to do is just to earn merits to rank up, question is how do you earn those merits, what are your approach?

You can try hard and harder, but it does not guarantee you'll earn merits as merits are just given by members and they could not see your hard work. So what I suggest is be true to yourself, just take it easy, don't think of ranking up more, instead, contribute on your own way and be more active.

Indeed, im newbie wanting to find how to earn bitcoins or alts and know more about crypto but then i see this forum as a guide and ranking up is a bonus. Im hoping i can contribute here on small things even though im lack of knowledge about cryptos.

[Luqman]

After the merit system was created in 2018, many members were not able to rank up again

It includes me. I was a bit surprised when I came back again to this forum after a long time. I realized something new in the requirement of level up. But I am not a person who complains about this new requirement because I know it is needed to trigger a better post quality among members. With this harder requirement, I also try to make a better post now. Although I am aware my posts still not deserve to get merits.

[Daniel91]

After the merit system was created in 2018, many members were not able to rank up again

It includes me. I was a bit surprised when I came back again to this forum after a long time. I realized something new in the requirement of level up. But I am not a person who complains about this new requirement because I know it is needed to trigger a better post quality among members. With this harder requirement, I also try to make a better post now. Although I am aware my posts still not deserve to get merits.

This may be a thing that's a little unfair.
Those members who, prior to the introduction of the merit system, reached the highest, legendary rank, this change has not harmed them.
Other members have come to the situation  that they have to make a lot more effort to get ahead in the forum.
I suppose we can say that life is not fair.

[Oshosondy]

But I am not a person who complains about this new requirement because I know it is needed to trigger a better post quality among members. With this harder requirement, I also try to make a better post now. Although I am aware my posts still not deserve to get merits.

Getting merit now is very hard, but quality posts can make it simple, post good you will receive merit. I too find it difficult but I still notice my good posts do receive merit from other bitcointalk users.

[lovesmayfamilis]

After the merit system was created in 2018, many members were not able to rank up again

It includes me. I was a bit surprised when I came back again to this forum after a long time. I realized something new in the requirement of level up. But I am not a person who complains about this new requirement because I know it is needed to trigger a better post quality among members. With this harder requirement, I also try to make a better post now. Although I am aware my posts still not deserve to get merits.

This may be a thing that's a little unfair.
Those members who, prior to the introduction of the merit system, reached the highest, legendary rank, this change has not harmed them.
Other members have come to the situation  that they have to make a lot more effort to get ahead in the forum.
I suppose we can say that life is not fair.

I think there is a bit of irony here. Sometimes you can observe, how those participants who registered long ago, were promoted in rank before the advent of the merit system, subsequently remain in their rank for quite a long time. Why is this happening? Since they, in fact, should have much more experience. And accordingly, they should not have problems in obtaining merits. But when I see similar statements from old-timers about the difficulty of raising further rank, I have pity for such people.

What was easy for them is subsequently not properly appreciated.

[ShowOff]

Getting merit now is very hard,

This is incorrect, please check the history of recent merit submissions by merit sources as well as by other users so that you know how the merit was distributed to forum users.

but quality posts can make it simple, post good you will receive merit. I too find it difficult but I still notice my good posts do receive merit from other bitcointalk users.

Of course every user will get merit if they are willing to post quality goods. But you have to understand that not all posts that you consider quality will be get merit because all users have their own way and point of view on forum member posts and the merit system is not moderated.

I just want to share a few suggestions for you about merits and one of them is never to complain because it won't solve your problem. Don't think too much about merit because I don't think merit are everything in the forum. If you care about your ranking then one of the best ways to get it is by improving the quality of the post. Do it naturally and you will get there without having to think about it every time.

[samputin]

Yes, you are right. Ranking up has been difficult since the merit system was implemented. Although I don't really want to call it 'difficult'. I'd rather say challenging. Challenging because it pushed many of us to become better versions of ourselves especially when it comes to posting in this forum. I don't know about others but the attitude I have learned here, I can somehow apply in my life outside this community. After all, aside from the purpose of merits to reduce or eliminate the spam here, I also see that it pushed many to be better than they were before.

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Newbies should be hard working, patient and believe, these are the three keys to how they can rank up. The ranking difficulty has increased but there are still newbies that rank up while their merit is now enough to achieve more ranks.

Nice reminder. The merit system will just slow down the process of ranking up. But it is not impossible to do that even if one started out as a newbie. I know members who were newbie once but are now well-known members of this forum and have high ranks. Just don't lose hope.

[Betaj00]

I think it has the best conditions for Rank increase,  before   everyone can increase their forum rank just for their activists,  but now need Merit point for Rank increasing.  I think this is very good for forum, for this reason nobody can't  spamming on this forum.

[AniviaBtc]

This post clearly tell those newbies to do their best in order to heavily contribute on this forum and let trusted members merit them.

It is true that most of the newbies are only here to rank up and have a much higher payment in a signature camp but that doesn't really help them grow.

Merits should be worked hard because that will served as your bonus so that you should make an informative and quality posts that other people understand and learn.

It is really hard to rank up because there is what we called a "process" and you need to encounter that.

[cheezcarls]

According to some researches, I noticed bitcointalk has been a forum without merit system before, before merit system evolved which was in 2018, people only rank up only with activities but as time goes the forum deployed more ways to have more quality posts. Before merit system was created there were good posters but they are few if compared to now, which makes the merit system a very good part of bitcointalk by increasing users that have more quality posts. As at then when merit system has not been created, to rank up is not had but simple.

After the merit system was created in 2018, many members were not able to rank up again, the merit system was toug but not like of these days, the reason is because many members were automatically given smerits which they still use in inappropriate manners. Later some of these members were unable to continue the use of the smerit inappropriately later relented and later found not to have any merit again in the last 120 days and beyond and the merit system become more difficult as posts are becoming more quality.

People that are just joining bitcointalk have to work harder and have posts full of quality contents before they can rank up, making this forum not friendly to newbies because newbies are the ones that mostly plagiarize, spam, copy/paste and full of shitposting habits. This makes this forum to be harder than the era before merit system was implemented and the time when merit system just started.

The posting quality of even the ranked members have increased, while new members with good quality posts also are the one receiving merits. But many newbies think this forum ranked members are selfish and of which not, they are not selfish. But only the time they leave that thinking behind, read about bitcoin and crypto and make further researches and able to post about these in a quality way will they be merited and rank up.

Newbies should be hard working, patient and believe, these are the three keys to how they can rank up. The ranking difficulty has increased but there are still newbies that rank up while their merit is now enough to achieve more ranks.

In the first place, my mindset was to rank up and become Legendary one day and getting more opportunities for participating bounty programs. It was back then when Bitcointalk doesn’t have merit system yet. I could have been Legendary right now if merits wasn’t implemented. There’s always a good and positive reason behind this decision coming from the Bitcointalk management, because they have seen enough of the spammy and low quality posts, but ended up getting high ranks.

Merit is a good way for us to be even more than just a regular forum poster. But for me, both rank and merit are just bonuses. I don’t mind about getting ranked up or receiving merits, because I would rather give more value to the community without expecting anything in return. I am blessed in other ways because of this changed mindset.

Even if I’m Legendary and having more merits, they’re just simply nothing to me. Ranks are just ranks. Merits are just merits. What matters to me nowadays is on how I can help and contribute, giving back in any way, and of course I hope that one day, I would be recognize as one of the helpful and valuable members of this forum. I am still very far away from that, but I’m working on it. I don’t expect anything in return, because unexpected blessings in other ways are coming to me anytime.

The feeling of giving something with heart and passion makes me feel better than just receiving.

[Zilon]

Quality posts doesn't start from the first day. Its always a gradual process built based on research and dedication. Spending time to look at posts from highly ranked members, comparing the content of their posts to what should be expected of a newbie in future time.

[rig4hodlers]

I don't fully understand the purpose behind this post.

I also don't see why it's so important to rank up, it's not like you're getting free BTC with every upgrade. Maybe that's just me, but once you reach "Jr. Member" or "Member" rank and get private messages privilege does it even matter what rank you are? As your activity grows on the forum, your rank will also grow. That's just natural progression. Assuming your posts are helpful you will get merit along the way too.

It depends, in case you want participate on signature campaigns or bounty programs, it is not the same if you have a Jr member rank or if you have a Legendary one. I am talking about the rewards since they are based on your forum rank. By the other hand, I remember that some projects also were looking for high forum ranks for their Announcements threads, it could be another advantage for these top forum rank members.
For the rest of the forum priviledges, I agree that it is the same Jr member or Legendary, you can do exactly the same.

[Barinekapaul]

There is no much difficulty in the ranking system in the Bitcointalk forum but your activity and the things you do earns you your desired merit. being a newbie or any level which you have attained all required time and patience and effective/relevant post. Once this are being taking into consideration then to achieve your merits are as simple and easy than you ever imagine.

[Flowzer]

Looking over accounts created from the 1st of January 2020 onwards, I make the number of ranked-up accounts to be as follows:

Ranked-up to Sr. Member:      8
Ranked-up to Full Member:   14
Ranked-up to  Member:      136
Ranked-up to  Jr. Member:  460

Of course, those are absolute abstract numbers, without considering context such as how many accounts were created (which is not really useful anyway, due to the amount of empty accounts created), how many are really posting worthwhile content, how many pay attention to rank, and how many disregard it.

From a numerical point of view though, there don’t seem to be that many people capable of reaching an in-between rank such as that of Full Member, which only requires 120 Activity, alongside 100 Merits, the latter being the most difficult.

Im surprised with this statistic, but also not really surprised at the same time considering its not that easy to get merits. I just back to the forum recently after a while and trying to post something structured(even not helpful enough) meanwhile seeing many low rank person just write post without any good point in the post, no wonder its hard to get merits.

[DdmrDdmr]

I’ve checked my data again just in case, and it’s consistent. Here is the update as of last Friday (same context: account created during 2020, non-banned, and merited at some point):

Code:

rank	       ProbableInitialRank	nUsers
Sr. Member	New Era Newbie	8
Full Member	New Era Newbie	17
Member	        New Era Newbie	142
Jr. Member	New Era Newbie	458
Newbie		New Era Newbie	1482
Brand new	Brand New	10

The update shows some slight changes regarding my prior retrieved data, but on this occasion, I’ve added some surprising additional information that corresponds to profiles that have not ranked-up at least one level, but that have been merited (the last two rows).

There are 1.482 Newbies, created in 2020, that have earned at least 1 merit, but that have not made enough posts to warrant Jr. Member rank. In fact, most of them barely made any Activity:

Code:

segment_activity	segment_merit	nUsers
(0%..20%)	100%	757
[20%..40%)	100%	372
[40%..60%)	100%	192
[60%..80%)	100%	104
[80%..100%)	100%	87

757 have made less than 20% of the required Activity. That is pretty surprising, and it’s a wonder why that is. One possible reason is that the banned list I’m using is incomplete, but I’ve checked 10 or so profiles, and they are not banned, although mostly inactive.

Some perhaps earn a few merits for questions/answers, but are here sporadically, others may quit thinking that the campaigns are not going to be worth their time. Who knows, but it’s surprising to see so many potential Jr. Accounts stalled by Activity.

[Taskford]

Looking over accounts created from the 1st of January 2020 onwards, I make the number of ranked-up accounts to be as follows:

Ranked-up to Sr. Member:      8
Ranked-up to Full Member:   14
Ranked-up to  Member:      136
Ranked-up to  Jr. Member:  460

Of course, those are absolute abstract numbers, without considering context such as how many accounts were created (which is not really useful anyway, due to the amount of empty accounts created), how many are really posting worthwhile content, how many pay attention to rank, and how many disregard it.

From a numerical point of view though, there don’t seem to be that many people capable of reaching an in-between rank such as that of Full Member, which only requires 120 Activity, alongside 100 Merits, the latter being the most difficult.

Im surprised with this statistic, but also not really surprised at the same time considering its not that easy to get merits. I just back to the forum recently after a while and trying to post something structured(even not helpful enough) meanwhile seeing many low rank person just write post without any good point in the post, no wonder its hard to get merits.

Struggle to get merits is real that's why you need to be creative on your post and make sure its relevant to the topic as well very helpful or entertaining to the ones who read it, and if those low rank post an un quality post well maybe they will really struggle to rank up since people right now is to meticulous on selecting users who will spend their merit on so we need to be a good poster to achieve that one.

[masulum]

Quality posts doesn't start from the first day. Its always a gradual process built based on research and dedication. Spending time to look at posts from highly ranked members, comparing the content of their posts to what should be expected of a newbie in future time.

I agree with you, this is not just a newbie account issue, but also higher rank most of them stuck with their last rank before merit system. I'm happy because now lot of new member after merit system climbing up to the higher rank compared with them who struggling with last rank (before merit system), such as OP, he joined this forum mid 2020, now he become full member newbie, i see he have a future to get ranked up to legendary than member who currently Sr. Member, but their posts dosn't deserved to being awarded with merit. You know how to be good member here, hope you can learn as your posts.

[Oshosondy]

I’ve checked my data again just in case, and it’s consistent. Here is the update as of last Friday (same context: account created during 2020, non-banned, and merited at some point):

Code:

rank	       ProbableInitialRank	nUsers
Sr. Member	New Era Newbie	8
Full Member	New Era Newbie	17
Member	        New Era Newbie	142
Jr. Member	New Era Newbie	458
Newbie		New Era Newbie	1482
Brand new	Brand New	10

I was happy to be among the members that made it to full member, I thought I was poor to post but I have seen that only just 17 people among us that created an account 2020 got to full member it is a nice thing to know. This shown let us know about how truly difficult has been for people to rank up, lesser people ranked up to senior member, everything is getting more difficult but it is good because it makes the forum to be in form of a pyramid. The good posters ranked while the majority at the bottom of the pyramid are not good posters. Pyramid structure is a functionality of surviving systems, the merit of a thing makes this possible.