To truly discourage unlawful bitcointalk sales of account

[Oshosondy]

As we all know that the world is not perfect, if one thing do not occur the other may be occur, also possible to be vice versa. The issue of accounts sales can be dangerous which some can lead to scam, that is why some people that propose account sales can be giving negative trust because scammers can buy account which others will not know. But to make this forum more transparent and to discourage account sales, it will be good if this forum admin are the one selling the account, the money generated can be used for helps on this forum.

Legendary: $500
Hero: $400
Sr member: $300

Won't this be good, we will be able to know that such accounts are new and should be considered new with not pregenerated smerits but only merits. If the member is serious, he will be able to build the account to be able to fit into the ones that makes quality posts and be good.

Is this a good idea? It will really discourage unknown bitcointalk account sales, we will be able to know new accounts with such rank.

[LoyceMobile]

Bad idea. Admin doesn't sell accounts, and the forum doesn't need money.

See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4419950.msg39398356#msg39398356

[Oshosondy]

Bad idea. Admin doesn't sell accounts, and the forum doesn't need money.

See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4419950.msg39398356#msg39398356

I do not mean the forum needs money. Okay while is copper membership? People will pay for it just to have some opportunities to be able to enjoy the forum that newbies like posting of images and fast time of posting range. While this also will help members that want to get to Sr, hero and legendary fast. I do not see it different from copper membership, not that the forum needs money but to help and to discourage unknown selling of accounts. But I may be wrong.

See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4419950.msg39398356#msg39398356

Seeing this lately, I never known this has being of a discussion in the past. All solved there can not be such as theymos says 'NO' to it.

[irfan_pak10]

What is your point? Seems you are encouraging account sales?
And why you think forums need more funds, There are already many other Valid resources from where the forum is getting its funds. I would really discourage this action.

[actmyname]

While this also will help members that want to get to Sr, hero and legendary fast. I do not see it different from copper membership, not that the forum needs money but to help and to discourage unknown selling of accounts. But I may be wrong.

The difference between Copper Members and Sr. Members is that they have differences in the signature restrictions.

There is no reason to rank up past the Copper Member benefits unless you are looking for a signature campaign or if you want to post extremely quickly. Neither of these are good reasons. And neither of those reasons would justify the forum adding in a "buy rank" option. I don't think we need to underscore the amount of spam that will start happening, but if we're currently in a cesspool, then the cessation of the pool will itself be trapped in a cesspool.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

I’d really prefer if it wasn’t made easier or even acceptable for account sales to be a thing again. The spam & incoherent English on the forum is bad enough already without making it common place by encouraging account sales.

The merit system made it tough for shit posters to rank up & spam for signature campaign dust (the lower paid campaigns have lots of shit posters, let’s be honest).
I think it’s good that account sales are frowned upon & basically outlawed when you consider what happens to those accounts if people find out they’re involved in it (painted red).

I know you have good intentions OP but it’s a no from me, sorry.

[iamsheikhadil]

It's highly unethical for forum admins to do such act lmao. Why would they do it?!

I think the best way would be to give neutral trust to an account which was bought/sold so that people might know that the account ownership has changed and they might not want to have any dealing with them on the basis of account reputation.

It's quite hard to notice if an account is sold/bought though, we can only see if the account's email/password has been changed (I can be wrong), and that doesn't prove the ownership has been changed.

[FIFA worldcup]

You totally misunderstand thing here. First you need to know why anyone would buy a high rank account ? They will only buy it to join signature campaigns. There is no other use of those accounts. Bitcointalk is not directly related to those paying campaigns and neither it earns from them.
There are many other reason why people come on bitcointalk like advertising their services or getting knowledge and for these purposes no one needs the high rank account.

[UmerIdrees]

High ranks should only remain with those who deserve them and earn those ranks with their good hard work. Else we don't want rich shit posters getting high ranks only because they have more money than us 

[ranman09]

Then this forum will have lots of High-rank accounts that spam. If accounts can be easily bought with money then this forum will be filled with people who really don't know how the forum works and even the ecosystem of cryptocurrencies. They will be no match for those who hardly earned their ranks through experience and helping people.

[lovesmayfamilis]

How will your proposal stop the sale of accounts on other sites? Did you set the prices for these ranks yourself? Very funny. Tell us why a person needs a big rank at once? If he can't do it on his own, what can he do with a higher rank? What do you think the legend will look like, which will also tell everyone that this is a purchased account? He will just say: "I bought, I have money, and no more"
OP, I'm sorry, but you are very overdoing in pursuit of your rank, regularly creating such topics.

[YOSHIE]

No one selling accounts here wants to donate $ to the forum, most of them are greedy for themselves.

From which the proceeds from the sale of the account can be obtained at this amount.

Legendary: $500
Hero: $400
Sr member: $300

While the average account that is sold is not as high as the price you mention, what a joke.

Your idea is very unreasonable, the forum does not require money from selling accounts, your idea can undermine the dignity of this bitcointalk forum, how this bad idea can get out of your head.
What the world said, bitcointalk forum revenue, the world's greatest forum, the funds were raised from account sales, did you realize your idea was bad.

[Kittygalore]

Bad idea. Admin doesn't sell accounts, and the forum doesn't need money.

See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4419950.msg39398356#msg39398356

Also, if the admins sell the accounts, wouldn't that be an anti-thesis to the rules of the forum about selling accounts. I do not get you OP, the forum is free, the maintenance is not that pricey and veteran members can donate money whenever the forum needs some help. Your modest proposal will only help in tolerating this account sellers.

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Are you not aware OP of exploitative users?  There are users out there who after they establish or build up their account, gain trust will also lead to scams in the end?  There are already a few issues in the Lending section.  Especially maybe if it was just from the account they bought.  Even if we say they bought it from the admin there is still no guarantee that it will not do anything unacceptable.  Sorry, but in my own opinion, I am also not willing to take such actions on the purchase or sale of the account and it should not be allowed here.

[DdmrDdmr]

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Rank has some meaning to many, be it due to a sense of achievement or else.
If you can buy ranks of the shelf, you’re basically creating a comparative grievance to all existing accounts with those same ranks, stating that one can simply buy a fast track ticket to skip the queue from the forum itself.

It still would not diminish the possibility of those accounts turning into scammers (which can happen at any level by the way), and I can’t see any overall global benefit coming clean from the proposal. It also would not deter account sales – just establish a max. market price.

[rhomelmabini]

Legendary: $500
Hero: $400
Sr member: $300

Too bad for us that make some of our account grow from being a Jr. Member then became a newbie from the new changes of the rank system then here I am now ranking as Sr. Member and I can only see it's being sold at $300 without any effort being made. Well, that might be expensive for some countries but doing it was breaking the rules set from the start on the Unofficial forum rules. The forum doesn't need help, AFAIK there's a budget from that from the ads generated especially the one you see on Auctions board (have a look).

Is this a good idea? It will really discourage unknown bitcointalk account sales, we will be able to know new accounts with such rank.

Totally bad idea and the forum will never tolerate such. To discourage those account sales at least act like reporting it or making a topic discouraging it. Imagine a known scammer hiding from an unknown identity tries to bought a huge amount of accounts and sooner or later he just scam once again, totally bad on forum's reputation.

[The Cryptovator]

It's the worst idea ever suggested on the forum. It wouldn't possible on this forum since the admin strongly discourages account sales.

I'm wondering whether you specifically disapprove of account dealers being tagged--not necessarily your opinion on the matter, but whether you'd consider that an inappropriate use of the trust system.

Since some people view account sales as fundamentally untrustworthy, I think it's an appropriate use.

Here you can see admin thought negative feedback for account sales are appropriate. In this situation how are you suggesting account sales by admin? Isn't copper membership enough for posting on this forum and participate in any discussions? How do you think accounts wouldn't use for a scam if it's sold by admin? Doesn't matter what is the price, but it would destroy the forum structure. Because peoples will simply buy an account and start spam. No one will encourage them to contribute since they don't need to build an account here since they would buy it.

[ABCbits]

The idea would be slightly better if it's changed to "Create silver and gold version of Copper membership", where the one who bought it get similar benefit compared with Hero/Legendary user, except signature part.

[tranthidung]

I would say No and let me explain why, IMO

• It will create unfairness between people who have money to invest in one account (higher rank) and people who don't have money to do so.
• Bought accounts are mostly used to join campaigns, bounties or more seriously: to scam others on the forum.

You could argue that Copper membership is a bought title with some privileges, I agree but I think up to that level is fair enough. More privileges with higher than Member ranks will cause controversy. As other gave you info, the forum does not need more money and especially no if it relates to selling accounts.

Nowadays, years after the merit system birthday, bought accounts are almost be used for bounties. As bought accounts can not be accepted in good campaigns paid in BTC with good rates. You know how bounties are bad in spam (not all participants in bounties are spammers but most of them are).

If one member believe (s)he is a good poster, ok, let's make good posts and rank up with the merit system. It is possible!

[DooMAD]

I don't understand why we would want to add any legitimacy to account sales.  The general view within the community is that we don't want to encourage that kind of behaviour.  It's better for the overall health of the forum if buying and selling accounts is considered a dishonourable act.  

Clearly your concern is for the safety and security of the people who are buying accounts, which I guess is noble in a way.  But, to be blunt, there should be risks for engaging in shady or illegitimate conduct.  Some of us would prefer it if you weren't doing that at all, which also happens to be a good way of avoiding the dangers of getting ripped off.  Don't do it and you'll be perfectly safe.