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12 years passed already since the launch of Bitcoin. And yet, most of people have no idea how it should be used, nor what Bitcoin is good for. Most of the users make a combination against the nature, using Bitcoin together with banks and centralized exchanges, having no knowledge about its libertarian and crypto-anarchic grounds. Without understanding that Bitcoin is here for helping them evade the slavery that governs and banks coerces them to, people do all they can to enslaves themselves, making an easy job for the elites which oppress them for thousands of years.

12 years ago Satoshi offered a very precious tool to humanity, tool which was able to set them free. Let's see how he was describing his invention:

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A purely peer-to-peer version of electronic cash would allow online payments to be sent directly from one party to another without going through a financial institution.



Commerce on the Internet has come to rely almost exclusively on financial institutions serving as trusted third parties to process electronic payments.  While the system works well enough for most transactions, it still suffers from the inherent weaknesses of the trust based model.
Completely non-reversible transactions are not really possible, since financial institutions cannot avoid mediating disputes.  The cost of mediation increases transaction costs, limiting the minimum practical transaction size and cutting off the possibility for small casual transactions, and there is a broader cost in the loss of ability to make non-reversible payments for non-reversible services.  With the possibility of reversal, the need for trust spreads.

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What is needed is an electronic payment system based on cryptographic proof instead of trust, allowing any two willing parties to transact directly with each other without the need for a trusted third  party.  Transactions that are computationally impractical to reverse would protect sellers from fraud [...]

He offered a method with which people could transact directly, peer-to-peer, avoiding any third party, no matter its name - govern, bank or other middleman.

Satoshi invented Bitcoin and gave it away for free, for helping individuals to have financial freedom, but people, in return, invented centralized exchanges, "helping" themselves to remain miserable slaves. This is something which remembers me of other memorable scientific inventions, meant to help people, but immediately after the respective inventions other showed up and weaponized them. Apparently, if there is not any entity to harm them, people choose on their own to harm themselves.



After reading these, some may ask: "What's wrong with using centralized exchanges? They keep my money and I have the money at my disposal and I can do whatever I want with them!".

The last sentence is a monumental lie. It's an oxymoron, meaning an expression which denies itself. It's like saying "I am smoking in a healthy manner".

People's greed never had any limit. Bitcoin appeared for liberating them, but they only understood that Bitcoin is here to help them get rich. The greed determined people to invent the centralized exchanges. Instead of using Bitcoin between them, in peer-to-peer transactions, fact which would render traditional money and governs as irrelevant, people created an abomination meant to centralize something which was born decentralized.

Some were smarter than others, but also greedy, and they took advantage of their knowledge and the others' greed for creating these centralized exchanges, where people hurry to deposit their money - which, since they are deposited, they become exchange's money. Individuals hope to get rich, without realizing they just lose on all directions. The situation is dramatic, as they don't lose just money, but way more...

What could be more than money? They are losing their personal information - that gift they received at birth which remains personal only until the individual chooses to not be personal anymore. And once the personal information is revealed, it will never be personal anymore. How many asked themselves "What means personal?". As greed blinded them, hoping to obtain profits and become rich over the night, people ran happily towards the centralized exchanges, sparing no effort for having accepted their requests for opening accounts. Meaning they offered all their personal data to the exchanges. Some exchanges offer for free some 5-10-20$ amounts to those opening accounts. Have you ever wondered why the exchanges give this money for free? Have you told yourself that "the exchanges are honored to have me as a client, that's why"? Not true. That amount of money is nothing for the exchanges, as they will earn way more from the clients. It is said that when something is free, you are the merchandise. Like on Facebook. In the case of exchanges, the situation is worst: if you are paid to become a customer, think to the most bad thing that can happen to you!

What is the most bad thing that can happen?

First of all, the exchange never loses money. House always wins. And customers always lose. Users are happy when BTC goes to the moon, hoping they'll earn some profits. They get sad then BTC value crashes, because they lose money. Many sell their BTC although they know they are losing, but they do it in order to avoid to lose even more. They don't understand that as long as they keep their BTC they don't lose anything. And what do the exchanges do? They win when BTC soars, as they earn fees from the users. They earn when BTC value goes down, as they are receiving fees now as well. When the users withdraw their money from the exchange, they lose more money. And I'm not talking about the network fees, but the exchange's fees. In other words, people constantly contribute to the benefit of exchanges and also to their very own poverty. Besides, how many of you observed how the biggest exchanges, like Coinbase or Binance, always encounter "technical outages", shutting down their platforms right at the moment when BTC soars to the moon or plunges? Can it be such a coincidence that at each substantial price change, an outage shuts down the exchanges only until the price comes back to its previous value? The explanations given by the exchanges' spokepersons are pathetic and ridiculous. It's vivid clear that, since these shitty moves are made for years, the exchanges choose to shut down in such moments, thus people won't profit if BTC soars too much and limiting them to buy BTC if the price plunges.

Second of all, as I was saying above, people lose their personal information by going willingly through a very dangerous process, named KYC. The exchanges don't care about their clients nor about their personal information. They only want to earn more money. They can be hacked by hackers which, besides stealing money, also steal the users' personal information, this being a very precious resource, which can be turned into even more money, especially when it is sold on Dark Net. A CNBC article describes how the hackers sell personal information for 1$ a piece (this information consisting, among others, in physical addresses of the users, their credit / debit cards, copies of their IDs etc.): Hackers are selling your data on the ‘dark web’... for only $1. A notorious similar case from the forum is the case of the Romanian bekli23, which, while pretending he is decrypting old BTC wallets, he was also asking users to send him photos with them while holding their IDs and other bills in hand. Obviously, he was not decrypting any wallet. But he was trying to collect personal information, most likely, for selling it on Dark Net, for the ridiculous price of 1$ per piece!

In some cases, the exchanges are the ones selling customers' personal information! And I'm not talking about small, shady exchanges, but about the big ones. Coinbase is one of the biggest exchanges and yet it was caught selling clients' personal data! A 2019 article, Coinbase Admits Its Former Data Provider Sold Client Data, describes how Christine Sandler, one of the exchange's executives, admitted the company sold the users' personal information. Having this example, do you think that other exchanges don't do the same thing? Just they weren't caught yet?

Third of all, exchanges offer users' personal information directly to the authorities. Were you hoping the govern wouldn't know about you and your finances - at least your crypto transactions (considering that it knows anyway all your transactions with fiat money)? By using centralized exchanges, it is certain that the govern will have its eye on you! Again, an example involving Coinbase: a Forbes article, Coinbase Notifies Customers That It Will Turn Over Court-Ordered Data, describes how this exchange gave the customers' private information to IRS. Don't imagine it was a singular case. Such practices are done by all exchanges, no matter the country.

Fourth of all, a centralized exchange doesn't offer the private keys to the clients, meaning the users don't have access to the tool allowing them to control their own money. The private keys of the wallets are held by the exchanges, thus the users accept they are ceasing the right of ownership over their money when they make deposits to exchanges. Regarding this situation, the Bitcoin evangelist Andreas Antonopulos used the expression "Not Your Keys, Not Your Bitcoin". For making things even more clear, in a lawsuit against Coinbase (this exchange seems to be the most negative example), the accuser lost the trial and the judge decided Not Your Keys, Not Your Bitcoin.

Fifth of all, exchanges can be hacked by hackers (and you lose the money).

Sixth of all, exchanges can decide abusively to freeze your accounts (and you lose the money).

Seventh of all, exchanges can exit scam (and you lose the money).

This is why you should avoid centralized exchanges. This is why Bitcoin must not be used together with such monsters, which are working just to the prejudice of the clients! This is how the clients of centralized exchanges lose their money no matter the operation they intend to do. And this is how, besides money, they also lose their personal information, risking to have it stolen by bad actors, fact which exposes them to monumental risks: once the criminals obtain someone's personal information, they can pay him a "visit", they can rob him, they can break into his house, they can steal his goods or even they can threaten his life!



People's greed has no limit and, although the above examples should suffice and convince anyone to run away from centralized exchanges, it still doesn't happen. People didn't limit just to the abomination of using centralized exchanges; they took the absurd to the moon, and used Bitcoin in an even more grotesque combination, by involving also the banks in the financial transaction! Meaning they involved those trusted third parties which Satoshi wanted so much to take out from the equation. The man fought hard to damage himself as much as possible, by combining Bitcoin with the exchanges and also with the banks.

Similar as above, after reading these, some may ask: "What's wrong with using banks? They keep my money and I have the money at my disposal and I can do whatever I want with them!".

Again, the last sentence is a monumental lie.

First of all, banks do not hold your money, but use it in order to obtain even more money. They should keep just a fraction in reserve but, many times, they don't hold even that fraction. This detail was also observed by Satoshi and maybe it represented another reason which determined him to create Bitcoin.

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The central bank must be trusted not to debase the currency, but the history of fiat currencies is full of breaches of that trust.  Banks must be trusted to hold our money and transfer it electronically, but they lend it out in waves of credit bubbles with barely a fraction in reserve. We have to trust them with our privacy, trust them not to let identity thieves drain our accounts.

Second of all, banks do not allow the clients to use their money as they wish. If they deposit an amount too big (compared with the previous transactions), the banks can freeze the accounts, forcing the clients to justify where they have all that money from. The same thing happens if the clients receive too big transactions. Those believing they can use their money as they wish are terribly wrong. Similar to the centralized exchanges, once the clients deposit their money to the bank, they also give the bank full control over the money.

Third of all, banks can handle their clients to the hands of authorities. And again: if a transaction looks suspicious in the eyes of the bank, usually a transaction involving a big amount of money, then then bank may not just freeze the account, but also notice the authorities. And, in this case, the client will face something even worst, being forced to justify his money in front of the authorities!

Of course, if the individual is not able to justify the provenance of the money, then the money is lost. Banks act like long arms of the govern and they don't care about the clients; they only care about growing their own wealth, while keeping a good relationship with the govern.

Fourth of all, banks can deny transactions initiated by clients, as they please, or based on the Terms and Conditions, which represent a document signed by the client, but usually nobody reads that dozen of pages when opening a bank account. And, as most of the banks are not friendly with crypto, crypto users are very exposed.

Fifth of all, some individuals use services provided by some financial institutions like Revolut, thinking they own crypto. In reality, they don't own even 1 satoshi! That's because Revolut doesn't allow the possession of crypto, but of CFDs. They sell you the illusion that you own crypto, but you don't. The same is the case with eToro.

Sixth of all, similar to centralized exchanges, bank clients will lose money in all possible ways: they'll pay fees for opening accounts, for depositing money, for withdrawing money, for transferring money, for checking the account balance, for the administration of the accounts, for having issued a credit / debit card and so on.

Seventh of all, banks may also go bankrupt, they can exit scam and they can lose clients' personal information. Of course these cases are not so often as in the case of crypto exchanges, but such incidents may still happen. They happened in the past and they'll keep happening in the future.

And, in case you still have doubts about what I described so far, the below screenshot proves the way one of Romania's biggest bank treats its clients:

Photo source: Facebook

Translated in English, it means the following:

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Within the business relation the bank has with its clients, the bank is forced to follow the laws related to knowing their clients with the purpose of preventing and combating money laundering, financing terrorism and for following the General Business Conditions (GBC) for the entire clients portfolio.

According to GBC, to the regulation 2/2019 of National Bank of Romania and the Law 129/2019, the client has the responsibility to provide the Bank all the documents requested by the Bank, which are needed for verification and clarification of the purpose and the nature of the recorded transactions. Through this document, we let you know that, after analyzing the transactions realized from your account, we decided the typology of these transactions breaks art. 23.1 from GBC, which states the following: "In case the Bank identifies potential risks or some requests coerced by financial institutions implied in banking operations, the Bank reserves its right to not allow transfers for transactions linked to services such as gambling, acquisition of pornographic services (including videochat or similar services), acquisition of weapons/munition without complying to the conditions stated by the law, transactions involving cryptocurrencies."



Below you can read the reaction of a client of the above mentioned bank. You may laugh, but the situation should be treated seriously:

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Translated in English, it means the following:

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Subject: Justification signed by [...] in order to explain what I'm doing with my own money

I [...] being a client of the bank, I sign the present document being forced by the Bank, which invokes some internal regulations which are not against me, in order to coerce me to justify in front of the Bank what I'm doing with my own money.

Given the fact that it is summer and a period of vacation, considering it is also a post-quarantine period, I want very much to have fun. For doing so, I'll travel to Holland, where prostitution is LEGAL, in order to fu*k some whores. Most likely, on my way to Holland, I'll do the same in Austria and Germany.
Then, while being in Holland, given the fact that drugs are LEGAL, I intend to smoke some marijuana and hashish, but I'd also try some shrooms.
I heard they have some good marijuana cakes in Holland, and I also suggest you to try them, maybe you wake up and stop forcing people to sign stupid papers, based on stupid procedures, in order to justify to you what they're doing with their own money.
Obviously, if I won't have toilet paper, given the fact that I have so much money, maybe I'll fancy enough and I'll wipe my a*s clean with a few hundreds of euros, like rich men do.
The rest of the money is for lending them to my friends and for making useless expenditures, which I'll regret afterwards.





All of the above should make all of you to seriously think about using Bitcoin together with centralized exchanges and banks. Beware! You will just harm yourselves and maybe you'll provoke irrecoverable prejudices. Should I also mention about Mt. Gox exchange, which lost 850.000 BTC Huh Should I also mention about the dozen (hundreds?) of hacked exchanges and about the hundreds of thousands of clients which lost their money for good? Should I mention the thousands of cases when banks froze customers' accounts? Should I mention how many people received death threats, how many were blackmailed, how many were extorted, how many were forced by hackers to pay ransom, after the hackers got their personal information?

Do you want to live something like that? If not, then cease using Bitcoin together with centralized exchanges and banks! Use crypto cash-in / cash-out ATMs, which offer you anonymity. Use decentralized exchanges, which don't hold a dime of clients' money and act just to connect the users one with each other. Use peer-to-peer transfers. Use crypto wallets which have embedded anonymous exchanges, allowing you to exchange a cryptocurrency with another one. Use any method to preserve your anonymity and financial privacy. It's for your own good.



This essay is a part of my educational articles. I recommend you all to read also the following essays:

- Bitcoin: The dream of Cypherpunks, libertarians and crypto-anarchists
- Governs are coming for traders!
- Cryptocurrency vs digital money issued by the state
- The Crypto Anarchist Manifesto - We all should read it
- Governs try to limit access of public to information and freedom since ages
- Phil Zimmermann's thoughts about PGP - We all should read them
- When the govern wants to hold your private keys
- The call for Julian Assange || The WikiLeaks Manifesto - We all should read it




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January 18, 2021, 09:58:19 PM
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Only had 1 merit to give, great job.
Now, what is the solution exactly? because I can't see one to avoid slavery by centralized exchanges. they provide services and people use their services, they don't really care if they are still slaves of the system. I doubt if Satoshi was thinking about the general population when he invented Bitcoin, I say that because of 21M limit, he or they invented Bitcoin as a model for us to follow, but we got stuck with the first model because the system does not want us to move forward with this great idea.

We all know that Bitcoin is not enough for us all, I'm talking about the future of course, where we could be free and not slaves, talking about a time when all the centralized monetary systems have failed, people are free using fast transactional systems without paying any high fees.
Bitcoin was invented to weaken the US and EU's knees on our throats, yet we can't still breathe, sadly.
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Nice post, I always appreciate someone who tries to give educated information to others. Indeed, there are still many people who don't understand what Bitcoin is, how to use Bitcoin, or even how Bitcoin can take benefits us. Yep, It is already a long time passed, although Bitcoin has been introduced by Satoshi more than 12 years ago, still many people aren't familiar with Bitcoin. However, I am not so surprised since many limitations of Bitcoin to develop till now, including the limitation from the governments. It has a big impact for sure!

Anyway, I think it should be better if you have a survey related to how familiar people with Bitcoin.
- Do they know the history of Bitcoin?
- How they know the main purpose of Bitcoin?
- How they use Bitcoin?
- How they know the benefits of Bitcoin?
- How they view the future of Bitcoin?

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January 19, 2021, 12:50:01 AM
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The only counterintuitive part here is that we need to do KYC for some services which is kind of defeats the purpose of Bitcoin and Blockchain which is a P2P anonymous transactions. I get that there are special cases like money laundering but that seems to be not the case as recent articles says that most money laundering schemes are not done through cryptocurrency, they seem to be collecting user data.

The problem with centralized institutions is that they are jumping at the opportunity without any preparations with Mt. Gox being the best example, they should know that attacks are frequently happening which means that they should have prepared a secure channels for their services but no, they want the money and they do not mind what happens to the clients, which is reminiscent of banking institutions getting robbed by gunmen.
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January 19, 2021, 02:43:01 AM
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People are afraid to put their money into bitcoin because they think it's a bubble that can burst at any moment. The problem is people who don't trust new technologies. 10 more years will pass and the percentage of people who still don't know about bitcoin will be just as large.

I see only the only solution to this problem is to educate people about the topic of bitcoin, explain to them how this technology works and why it's so important.
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January 19, 2021, 03:40:51 AM
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12 years passed already since the launch of Bitcoin. And yet, most of people have no idea how it should be used, nor what Bitcoin is good for.
Some people who are eagerly to learn will sure read Bitcoin whitepaper and learn about bitcoin from the Whitepaper or other sources. In life, there are people who are very conservative and you can not change their minds, from politics to investment perspective.

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Most of the users make a combination against the nature, using Bitcoin together with banks and centralized exchanges, having no knowledge about its libertarian and crypto-anarchic grounds.
I agree with you as the true decentralized exchange as https://bisq.network/ has low volume and limited users.

Two websites are good to get resources and learn about bitcoin. The second website is not built by or own by Satoshi Nakamoto.
https://bitcoin.org/
https://nakamotoinstitute.org/

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January 19, 2021, 05:20:00 AM
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It's nice to see such a detailed and worked post. I personally follow what you preach: it's been a long time since I've worked with any centralized exchange and when I did in the past KYC wasn't compulsary at least in that exchange so my real identity isn't linked to my Bitcoin holdings. I hope that this post will serve to educate many people, although I'm afraid that the majority adoption will go through the centralized institutions. Those of us who will continue to use bitcoin according to Satoshi's original idea we will be a minority.

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The world of business has two form of people which i term the irony state , we have one the Nakamoto and we have the de-nakamoto (personal terms).

1. The Nakamotos are the true inventors, their aim of inventing is to solve a problem and not to make money. in his whitepaper, he said the TRUST given to the reserve banks have been broken, by them devaluing the currency, so we need an invention to take back the trust, hence we become our banks through bitcoin which supports P2P.

2. The De-nakamotos are the entrepreneurs that Adams Smith described to have selfish interest. Their future is to convert the original intent of an invention into a money making opportunity. A good example is the conversion of the origin philosophy of bitcon which is decentralization to centralization by the other entrepreneurs.

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January 19, 2021, 03:56:23 PM
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Only had 1 merit to give, great job.

Hehe, no worries, thank you!

Now, what is the solution exactly? because I can't see one to avoid slavery by centralized exchanges.

In my opinion, the solution I see is the one from the end of the OP:
Do you want to live something like that? If not, then cease using Bitcoin together with centralized exchanges and banks! Use crypto cash-in / cash-out ATMs, which offer you anonymity. Use decentralized exchanges, which don't hold a dime of clients' money and act just to connect the users one with each other. Use peer-to-peer transfers. Use crypto wallets which have embedded anonymous exchanges, allowing you to exchange a cryptocurrency with another one. Use any method to preserve your anonymity and financial privacy. It's for your own good.

I doubt if Satoshi was thinking about the general population when he invented Bitcoin, I say that because of 21M limit, he or they invented Bitcoin as a model for us to follow, but we got stuck with the first model because the system does not want us to move forward with this great idea.

Well, don't forget that although Bitcoin has 21M units, it also has (as of now) 0 decimals. If you count it in satoshis, then you can say there will ever exist 2.100.000.000.000.000 satoshis, or 2.1 quadrillion satoshis. Besides, Lithning Network already uses 12 decimals, not just 8. When the time will come, the number of decimals can be extended, therefore the initial 21M BTC is not too relevant...

We all know that Bitcoin is not enough for us all, I'm talking about the future of course, where we could be free and not slaves, talking about a time when all the centralized monetary systems have failed, people are free using fast transactional systems without paying any high fees.
Bitcoin was invented to weaken the US and EU's knees on our throats, yet we can't still breathe, sadly.

I think this is why it's better to start saving as much BTC as we can! Smiley



Nice post, I always appreciate someone who tries to give educated information to others.

Thank you.

Anyway, I think it should be better if you have a survey related to how familiar people with Bitcoin.

I never thought about that, but it looks like an interesting idea. I'll think to a proper format of such a poll. Thanks!



10 more years will pass and the percentage of people who still don't know about bitcoin will be just as large.

I really hope you are wrong about that but, as things are now, sadly, there are high chances for you to be right Sad




The second site is pure gold! Thanks for mentioning it, hd49728. I remember I read almost everything I found on it. The Literature section (https://nakamotoinstitute.org/literature) is a large collection of writings made by other legends of cryptography, such as David Chaum, Nick Szabo, Amir Taaki, Eric Hughes or Tim May. I totally recommend it to anyone interested in learning about cryptography!



It's nice to see such a detailed and worked post. I personally follow what you preach

This is a very wise thing to do, indeed. Stay as far as you can from centralized exchanges, banks and KYC! Speaking of KYC, I'd also like to suggest all of you reading this precious essay of 1miau: Why KYC is extremely dangerous – and useless.

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January 19, 2021, 04:19:04 PM
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It's not all about anarchy for many people, and I think it's fine.
Using an exchange to buy or to sell Bitcoin seems like a good thing to do if a person does not want to interact with strangers from one's local community of crypto users (I certainly don't), and it doesn't make one a slave.
Holding money in a personal wallet is already a good step towards freedom, and so is just holding funds in BTC because it is not regulated by any central bank of any country.
I do agree with you that today so much is focused around the price of Bitcoin and the profits, while that's not what Bitcoin is about.

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Thanks to the author of the topic.  Everything is said very accurately. 

Exchanges are like casinos.  Casinos always win not because there is zero sector on roulette.  Casinos are constantly winning because they have unlimited cash reserves.  The casino is inherently a dishonest game. 

The situation is similar with cryptocurrency exchanges.  They say their profit is commission.  It is not true.  The main profit of the exchanges is the liquidation of the positions of the clients of the exchanges.

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People are afraid to put their money into bitcoin because they think it's a bubble that can burst at any moment. The problem is people who don't trust new technologies. 10 more years will pass and the percentage of people who still don't know about bitcoin will be just as large.

I see only the only solution to this problem is to educate people about the topic of bitcoin, explain to them how this technology works and why it's so important.
education about Bitcoin is very important so that others understand Bitcoin...
in the dissemination of education about Bitcoin, the government must intervene because the government can convince those who do not believe it, the question is whether the government wants to do that? I hope that every day those who are interested in Bitcoin will increase so that the government will realize the potential of Bitcoin and then include it in the learning curriculum.



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January 19, 2021, 06:21:39 PM
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I understand why the majority of people don't understand or don't want to learn about bitcoin. Life is hard for most people and trying to learn and contextualize a new monetary system that puts emphasis on self reliance and self custody can be overwhelming and off-putting. I think in another ten years more people will be able to understand bitcoin and what its system is and what problems it solves. But for now we will have to put up with people thinking it is a ponzi or a bubble.
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One thing that I don't see mentioned as often as it should be:
just stay in bitcoin.  Once you have bitcoin, stay in it.  You don't need to trade in and out.  Then you can truly use the p2p nature of bitcoin (or other crypto) to its full extent.  Buy something with it, the seller uses the bitcoin for something else.

If you can stay in bitcoin, just stay in bitcoin.  It seems like a lot of the corporations who are buying into bitcoin are doing so for the long haul, not a short term trade.  They are using it for inflation protection and other things, not inter corporate trade of course.

If you stay in bitcoin, then you don't have to worry about the exchanges.  (Privacy improvements are important to encourage this too).
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One thing that I don't see mentioned as often as it should be:
just stay in bitcoin.  Once you have bitcoin, stay in it.  You don't need to trade in and out.  Then you can truly use the p2p nature of bitcoin (or other crypto) to its full extent.  Buy something with it, the seller uses the bitcoin for something else.

If you can stay in bitcoin, just stay in bitcoin.

Yes, this is how things were meant to be. Satoshi offered Bitcoin as a replacement for the actual corrupt financial system. By using only Bitcoin the corruption from actual monies, from governs, from all the elites would be rendered as irrelevant; the power would be taken from the elites and given back to people, as it always should have been.

When I wrote that

Do you want to live something like that? If not, then cease using Bitcoin together with centralized exchanges and banks! Use crypto cash-in / cash-out ATMs, which offer you anonymity. Use decentralized exchanges, which don't hold a dime of clients' money and act just to connect the users one with each other. Use peer-to-peer transfers. Use crypto wallets which have embedded anonymous exchanges, allowing you to exchange a cryptocurrency with another one. Use any method to preserve your anonymity and financial privacy. It's for your own good.

I thought also at those wishing to exchange BTC for corrupt fiat money, but offering them ways to do it anonymous. But of course, the intended way of using Bitcoin is by staying in it, paying with it for services, accepting it as payment for your goods / services and so on. This is what Satoshi wanted.

The below image, although it should be funny, is a premonitory tale:


And yes, this is how things should have been from the very beginning...



It's not all about anarchy for many people, and I think it's fine.

Actually it's not fine... It is both wrong and sad. Bitcoin was invented by a crypto-anarchist, which created it for anarchic and libertarian reasons. All Cypherpunks were crypto-anarchists and Satoshi was a Cypherpunk. Maybe the last Cypherpunk. Bitcoin radiates from all its bones messages expressing Satoshi's crypto-anarchic and libertarian ideology. Even the Genesis block expresses this ideology, with the message Satoshi wrote inside it:

"Chancellor on brink of second bailout for banks".

It is a subtle message, pointing to the corruption of governs and banks, which should be avoided. And he offered a method to avoid both.

Using an exchange to buy or to sell Bitcoin seems like a good thing to do [...] and it doesn't make one a slave.

This sentence is even more dramatic. For it means a sweet and easy victory of the elites. What easier and more sweet victory could governs imagine, than inoculating citizens that the harm they bring upon them is actually a good thing?

All those which suffer from governs oppression, all those enslaved by the elites, which steal their money, but don't see it happening, are doomed.

If all would think the same way then everything would be lost.

What you are saying, sadly, remembers me of George Orwell's 1984. Have you read it? In that dystopian world, which actually became true in our days, when Big Brother's surveillance is almost unavoidable; in that book which actually inspired the Cypherpunks in their continuous work of providing people ways of private communications and private money, for helping them escape from Big Brother, the leit-motive of the Party was "WAR IS PEACE, FREEDOM IS SLAVERY, IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH".

The citizens believed that or were forced to believe it.

If you reach the state of believing the lies told by governs, for bad things being good for people, then you are a lost cause. And Big Brother will flavor his sweet and easy victory! What else could he ask for? Steal people's money, forcing them to pay ridiculous taxes, constantly surveilling them and not allowing them to slam the door in his face, having citizens happily accepting the fact that if they don't obey they should be punished... What else could Big Brother ask for?

In Romania, 45% of the gross salary goes to the govern as taxes. In other countries the taxes may go up even to 60%!!! Sadly, some think it is normal that 60% of the money they earn with their hard work, with the sweat from their efforts, to go in elites' pockets. No, this is not normal! This is wrong! This is theft!

Besides, if you take a look inside your neighbor's house, you may be accused of breaking inside his intimacy. You are not allowed to do that. But if a group of law enforcement does that, then it is okay. No, it is not okay! Nobody should have the right to sneak inside someone else's private life and everybody should be allowed to slam the door in the face of any intruder and say "No!".

Those thinking it is normal to be constantly surveilled are doomed. They are lost causes, as Big Brother managed to erase their brains already and they can't distinguish anymore what is good and bad for them. Fortunately, there are still some which think clear, which can stand and fight.

Holding money in a personal wallet is already a good step towards freedom, and so is just holding funds in BTC because it is not regulated by any central bank of any country.

Do you think this will last longer? Have you read about latest ideas of Big Brother...?

A Cooin Telegraph article from Dec. 18th, 2020, is a premonitory tale. The articles depicts FinCEN's intentions for monitoring the cryptocurrencies going off the centralized exchanges into personal crypto wallets. The entire proposal can be read here.

I don't know if this will happen. But if it will, we are at one step away of total surveillance over all crypto wallets. If that will happen then we will be just like Phil Zimmerman said: "If privacy is outlawed, only outlaws will have privacy".

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February 01, 2021, 10:20:26 PM
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Nice thread, a well thought out and thought provoking piece of presentation  Smiley

All these years later so many institutes and funds have purchased large quantities of Bitcoin and them along with older whales control too much of the circulating supply of Bitcoin. Them buying and selling in bursts is affecting the price of the whole market.

Of those people that are oblivious to what Bitcoin is, we hope they will learn about it in due course and end up holding some and maybe some other crypto too as the world move away from fiat towards crypto in various aspects.

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February 01, 2021, 11:04:27 PM
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Well in the first place bitcoin wasn't intended to be of use for anything other than a complete replacement for fiat currencies controlled by the 1% of society. This is slowly being realized and is being achieved by the day. As for how people should use it, that's where we're having a problem, it's hard to control investors especially since bitcijn is decentralized and anonymous. That's why problems like this exist. Anyway, this exist in the fiat space so I don't see why this should be a very big hindrance to bitcoin's success.

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I also just started to understand Bitcoin. This article is worth learning.
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Bitcoin will definitely start getting more and more acceptance as it heads to mainstream. Sure banks and finance institutions will have reservations but they are very much in the loop right now because anybody wanting to convert crypto to fiat still has to use traditional banking.

There does not seem to be any way to completely bypass banks right now but in the future as P2P transactions grow things might change.


These banks are scared of Bitcoin like chickens. According to them only bankers should be rich in this world, not ordinary people. You should be a bank slave all your life.

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