Petition: Lock the BSV topics in the altcoin boards ... ?

[BitcoinFX]

CSW has provided zero valid cryptographically assured proof, to date, whatsoever that he had anything to do with the creation of original Bitcoin (BTC).

He has presented a plethora of invalid, fully debunked, refuted claims, outright lies, forgeries and untruths ...

The Faketoshi Fifteen (Times Two)
Craig Wright’s most epic lies, frauds and forgeries 2013 — 2020

- https://mylegacykit.medium.com/the-faketoshi-fifteen-times-two-76e8060905b4

- https://seekingsatoshi.weebly.com/fraud-timeline.html

Therefore, CSW is NOT Satoshi Nakamoto and BSV is NOT Bitcoin.

Whilst I support free speech ... must we continually tolerate fraudulent and abhorrent behavior, against Bitcoin (BTC), the developers and this community ?

CSW Nonsense AGAIN
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5311202.0

So, you want to get sued by a scammer?
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5311388.0

Starve the beast - CSW
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5311468.0

Agreed. Where possible, boycott everything BSV related ASAP.

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boycott

Excerpt: "A boycott is an act of nonviolent, voluntary and intentional abstention from using, buying, or dealing with a person, organization, or country as an expression of protest, usually for moral, social, political, or environmental reasons. The purpose of a boycott is to inflict some economic loss on the target, or to indicate a moral outrage, to try to compel the target to alter an objectionable behavior."

De-list BSV now!

IMHO this de-listing should include the bitcointalk moderators locking all of the BSV threads in the altcoin section of this forum.

This is the bitcointalk forum, originally created by the real Satoshi Nakamoto ...

- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5

Are Theymos and others not yet convinced that CSW is NOT Satoshi Nakamoto ?!?

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Iron Maiden - The Number Of The Beast (Official Video) ...
- https://youtu.be/WxnN05vOuSM

Yes or no ?

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Therefore, CSW is NOT Satoshi Nakamoto and BSV is NOT Bitcoin.

I think we all agree on that (with exceptions of course).

Whilst I support free speech ... must we continually tolerate fraudulent and abhorrent behavior, against Bitcoin (BTC), the developers and this community ?

If you want speech to truly be free, you have to protect speech that you don't like; that's offensive; and may not be true.  Anything else is just censorship, and I think any claims that BSV is bitcoin or that CSW is Satoshi should be countered with facts (or requests for proof in the case of the former).  I don't think any censorship needs to be employed here--and remember, this is a forum where outright scammers aren't even banned, much less bald-faced liars.

[OcTradism]

Forum has ban for ban evasion so how about this case as MCW was banned by theymos as continuously troll

[CENSORSHIP] Matthew N. Wright. If the Bitcoin SV is under the ownership of MCW, it can be considered as ban evasion.

Yes, he is banned. Recently I partially removed his ban so he could PM people, but clearly this was a mistake.

He was trolling continuously. He hasn't changed: He edited that poll after people had already voted to create misleading results.

[BitcoinFX]

Therefore, CSW is NOT Satoshi Nakamoto and BSV is NOT Bitcoin.

I think we all agree on that (with exceptions of course).

Whilst I support free speech ... must we continually tolerate fraudulent and abhorrent behavior, against Bitcoin (BTC), the developers and this community ?

If you want speech to truly be free, you have to protect speech that you don't like; that's offensive; and may not be true.  Anything else is just censorship, and I think any claims that BSV is bitcoin or that CSW is Satoshi should be countered with facts (or requests for proof in the case of the former).  I don't think any censorship needs to be employed here--and remember, this is a forum where outright scammers aren't even banned, much less bald-faced liars.

I did not call for the BSV threads to be deleted. I called for them to be locked.

Archived to history is not censorship.

"Self-preservation keeps the crowd alive".

The forum mods do already ban forum accounts and delete other peoples on-topic posts here.

[LoyceV]

Whilst I support free speech ... must we continually tolerate fraudulent and abhorrent behavior, against Bitcoin (BTC), the developers and this community ?

If you want speech to truly be free, you have to protect speech that you don't like; that's offensive; and may not be true.  Anything else is just censorship, and I think any claims that BSV is bitcoin or that CSW is Satoshi should be countered with facts (or requests for proof in the case of the former).  I don't think any censorship needs to be employed here

As much as I'd like the BSV-BS to stop, I'm with The Pharmacist on this one. And from what I've seen, I don't expect theymos to censor this. Bitcointalk gives anyone the freedom to be an idiot.

The one thing I'd like to see though is protect Newbies from this, maybe by some sort of default-Ignore for certain users. For instanstance, let's say when someone is ignored by users with a total of at least 10% of all earned Merit, then the user becomes ignored by default. I'd be interested to see how many users would fall in this category, but only theymos can get that data.

[hilariousandco]

99% of people know that he isn't satoshi and that he's a fraudster but I don't like the idea of silencing BSV because of him. People should either just ignore him and BSV or keep calling him out on his obvious bullshit.

[DooMAD]

I get the impression it would just cause drama.  People could construe it as a form of martyrdom and try to use that as an excuse to drum up support for the "persecuted" chain.  And from a purely practical perspective, anyone who does want to discuss that chain will just post new BSV topics, so mods would have to play a constant game of whack-a-mole to lock them all.  It's not worth the hassle.

However, if it was possible to implement, I would support a banner or warning at the top of any forkcoin threads which states something along the lines of:

This altcoin is a fork of the Bitcoin (BTC) blockchain.  Coins on this chain are not bitcoins and cannot interact with the Bitcoin blockchain.  
Any claims regarding this coin being the "real" or "true" Bitcoin are to be considered opinions rather than fact.

[hilariousandco]

Yeah, I'm sure Craig and Co would just seize this opportunity to cry about how they're being censored or attacked. Wouldn't really be fair to those invested in the coin either regardless of Craig's shenanigans or what you think about the coin itself.

[suchmoon]

However, if it was possible to implement, I would support a banner or warning at the top of any forkcoin threads which states something along the lines of:

Better yet, treat it as any other shitcoin - ignore it, or argue with the shitheads if you're so inclined. The existence of those threads has zero impact on Bitcoin. CSW's shenigans in general might, but adding labels to those threads or even removing them won't change that.

[DooMAD]

However, if it was possible to implement, I would support a banner or warning at the top of any forkcoin threads which states something along the lines of:

Better yet, treat it as any other shitcoin - ignore it, or argue with the shitheads if you're so inclined.

I know we aren't going to change the minds of anyone who has already been indoctrinated.  I'm just thinking it might stop more users falling victim to it.  If it prevents even a few people from being conned, it can't be a bad thing.

[actmyname]

I know we aren't going to change the minds of anyone who has already been indoctrinated.  I'm just thinking it might stop more users falling victim to it.  If it prevents even a few people from being conned, it can't be a bad thing.

I sure would like a welcome message.

[suchmoon]

I know we aren't going to change the minds of anyone who has already been indoctrinated.  I'm just thinking it might stop more users falling victim to it.  If it prevents even a few people from being conned, it can't be a bad thing.

There is also the flag system specifically for warning noobs about dangerous projects. I believe BSV ANN threads already have banners due to being created by a known hypertroll.

Edit:

[nutildah]

As we all know the creator of the main ANN thread has been famously banned multiple times in the last couple years, yet the account remains active...

Then there is a guy who gets paid to copy/paste Coingeek articles and BSV announcements in that thread -- he's also been banned for plagiarism in the past.

And then there's a few trolls that are somewhere in between genuine forum user and crazed goon (an unpaid intern kind of goon).

So be it.

The next best thing to do is for high-ranking accounts to avoid commenting in the thread whatsoever. The accounts persistently commenting in the thread have only a handful of merits between them and hardly any bumping power. If everybody else refrained from commenting there, it would gradually fall into obscurity where it belongs.

I think that's the responsible thing to do for anyone who wants to minimize them without cutting them out completely. Just let them habitate their space here with their feverish walls of text and let them out themselves as the dishonest fools that they are...

[Wind_FURY]

However, if it was possible to implement, I would support a banner or warning at the top of any forkcoin threads which states something along the lines of:

Better yet, treat it as any other shitcoin - ignore it, or argue with the shitheads if you're so inclined.

I know we aren't going to change the minds of anyone who has already been indoctrinated.  I'm just thinking it might stop more users falling victim to it.  If it prevents even a few people from being conned, it can't be a bad thing.

It would also show everyone that bitcointalk.org is taking a stand against unethical and dishonest people like Craig Wright.

[LoyceV]

It would also show everyone that bitcointalk.org is taking a stand against unethical and dishonest people like Craig Wright.

That's not the forum's mission:

The things on the forum which encourage spam are allowed mainly because it's part of the forum's mission to be as free as possible. Eg. banning bounties would undoubtedly reduce spam, but that'd be destroying an entire economy/population/culture which has been able to develop due to the forum's freedom. I am willing to take this sort of action, but only as an absolute last resort. It's always preferable to handle these problems by reshaping the environment to make them non-problems, rather than removing some freedom.

[aoluain]

I was one of the members here talking about locking CSW threads over on the STARVE THE BEAST thread
I get that locking and censoring freedom of speech goes against the forums mission.

As much as I hate to say this, but would it be an idea to give CSW his own board dedicated to his fakery?
Discussions could continue inside the board.

All threads would be filed into the board and the "FACT" threads would be pinned to the top.
Like BitcoinFX's OP. All discussions could easily be pointed to, checked against the pins and
it could act as a central knowledge base for the Lies and Thruths.

[Tongue in cheek] It would be extra work for the MODS I know, but shure they have it handy anyway ![/Tongue in Cheek]

[LoyceV]

As much as I hate to say this, but would it be an idea to give CSW his own board dedicated to his fakery?

No. Unless there's going to be a "Nonsense" board for all Satoshi wannabees, but even then I don't think Admin wants to decide what to classify as nonsense.

[BitcoinFX]

Who finds any of this acceptable ?

Just lock the threads already !

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"Like I said, the Jonestown phase of Craig #Faketoshi Wright has begun.

He will go down in flames, and take everyone around him with him."
- https://twitter.com/MyLegacyKit/status/1352960746154557441



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[actmyname]

Who finds any of this acceptable ?

Just lock the threads already !

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Jesus, this is some self-serving cult shit.

Guy practically thinks he's the next messiah ready to raise people into cyberspace heaven, chained with their infinite-size blocks to store their consciousnesses

[FIFA worldcup]

It is very strange that Craig Wright and BSV are not popular on this forum yet they keep shilling their shit coin in this community with the hope of the adaption. They don't realize that they not going to convince this community on BSV over BTC.