... Vitamin-D Rollout following 82% reduction in COVID-19 deaths in Spain

[BADecker]

If this 82% drop in COVID-19 deaths were applicable to the United States, think of what this really means. The CDC said that 96% of the Covid deaths were really caused by something else. This means that the 82% fewer deaths would be fewer deaths of all kinds of things, since 96% of the Covid deaths weren't really Covid. The CDC said so.

Imagine that. Simply taking large amounts of vitamin-D means that you could save, maybe, 75% of Cancer-patient-deaths, heart-disease-deaths, diabetes-deaths, flu-and-pneumonia-deaths, and traffic fatalities. Why traffic fatalities? Because the drivers would be more alert, not having to drive with so much disease distracting them, and the passengers would be healthier so they could take more punishment in the case of an accident.

In addition to that, the CDC's allowance for 4% of the deaths to have been attributed to Covid/flu/pneumonia (remember, the CDC has combined them in the statistics), means that we would have only seen about 2,880 deaths from the combination of Covid, flu, and pneumonia in the United States. And we can tell from other years about how much of Covid/flu/pneumonia is really flu and pneumonia. This means that Covid is essentially nothing in the US... way less than the 16,000 deaths that the CDC attributes to Covid... way less than the 2,880 if we had been on high doses of vitamin-D.

The whole Covid scandal is a big fat lie. All it exists for is to scare people into the getting a vaccine. Most of the vaccine is paid for by government. It comes out of tax moneys which the people supply. People are paying Big Pharma to woo them through advertising, to get the vaccine, which the people pay for in taxes, even if they don't get the useless vaccine.

And all that doesn't even talk about the fact that the vaccine is a totally experimental drug, designed to elicit who-knows-what kind of reactions out of people, for who-knows-what purposes... maybe depopulation. The people are suiciding themselves without even knowing it. And they are paying Big Pharma to talk them into doing it. Worse than lemmings over the cliff.

Check links and emphases at the article.


British legislator calls for widespread vitamin D rollout following 82% reduction in COVID-19 deaths in Spain

British Member of Parliament David Davis is urging the British government to strengthen its vitamin D supplementation program for people at-risk of COVID-19 following an impressive precedent set by Andalusia in Spain.

Speaking before the House of Commons on Thursday, Davis said that Britain should follow the lead of Andalusia, which distributed calcifediol, a vitamin D supplement, to care home residents last November. Since then, the Spanish region’s COVID-19 deaths dropped by 82 percent.

Because of this, Davis is imploring the British government to increase its dosage recommendations and implement a widespread vitamin D rollout.

The state already provides free vitamin D supplies to care home residents under the Public Health England‘s advice that they get 10 micrograms (mcg) daily for protection. However, Davis said this amount is too small to have a significant effect and the program should be for all at-risk populations.

But health officials said that there’s not enough evidence just yet for them to authorize or recommend taking vitamin D for treatment. This was despite a mountain of studies showing vitamin D deficiency can predispose people to severe COVID-19.
UK’s vitamin D dosage advice a “drop in the ocean”

Davis extolled the benefits of vitamin D and urged the British government to immediately revise its vitamin D program to protect the country’s most vulnerable sectors.

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[Tash]

At around about 16min get the Vitamin D level in order (and Vaccine and such)
https://youtu.be/3mPIomjWwd4

[Poker Player]

Yes, I've talked about that in other posts but no, you won't see the authorities implementing vitamin D-boosting plans.

Vitamin D boost your inmune system. People with high vitamin D levels very rarely get colds or the flu and, if they do, they have few symptoms and of short duration. This can also be applied to Covid: you can find dozens of studies in Pubmed showing that people with high vitamin D levels either don't get COVID or they have few symptoms. On the contrary, people most of those who die from COVID have low to very low vitamin D levels.

You can find many scientiphic articles on: https://vitamindwiki.com/

Big pharma isn't interested in this because vitamin D is free if you get it from the sun and supplements can be bought in herbal stores.

[datamining]

Big pharma isn't interested in this because vitamin D is free if you get it from the sun and supplements can be bought in herbal stores.

I agree 100% ... there is definitely a financial interest that people are not top fit.
A good example is the food industry and the excessive use of sugar and flavor enhancers....

[Quickseller]

The lockdowns have caused many people to stay inside, and out of the sun. Being exposed to the sun allows people to get Vitamin D naturally. There have been links between a lack of Vitamin D and higher rates of Covid deaths found in studies.

I would conclude this to mean the closings of parks and beaches actually increased covid related deaths. Thanks Roy Cooper

[franky1]

the immune system is very complex.

if you have good nutritian and vitamins. adding more vitamins will not boost your immune system more.
you can actually get toxic symptoms from vitamin overdoses/megadoses

if you have a surpressed immune system due to injury or age or other things unrelated to nutritian. then nutritian added vitamins cant help

for the fine line small part of the population where their immune system is compromised solely due to nutritian. then yes vitamins can aid that.

but dont go taking vitamins randomly and then when not feeling any effect up the dosage. because obviously your body is not utilising it.

your body does not need that much. you dont need to spend a 7 hours a day on a exotic summer beach. you only need to spend half an hour a day in normal daylight.

so please dont be idiots overdosing on supplements. and dont think that supplements will cure you.
and ofcourse dont think other medications that are immuno surpressors will cure you either.

tash and badecker for months have been advertising immuno surpressors and now also vitamin D.
immuno surpressors turn off your immune system reaction responses. and vitamin D wont turn them back on. meaning whatever vitamin D you do get then just accumulates into your fatty tissues and just piles up into toxic levels

so be careful

[BobLawblaw]

Wait. How did I end up here ?

OK. So anyway. About this Vitamin D stuff. Yes. Very important stuff. Even better if your multivitamin has added Zinc.

I'm not familiar with mcg dosage as everything is IU over here, for the most part, and seems that 10mcg works out to about 400 IU. Not a heck of a lot of IU right there. The basic multivitamin I take contains 1000 IU as standard. I supplement with an additional 2000 IU Vitamin D capsule in the evenings, but the point of this post is, to issue a warning not to overdo it on your Vitamin D intake, as it can start to cause problems.

I was taking upwards of 6000 IU at the height of the zaniness last year, and my doctor noted my bloodwork starting getting out of range. Stuff specifically related to having too much Vitamin D in your system. Can start fucking up your bones and shit, or something. I don't know. I'm just some gay dude sent here from outer space.

3000 IU seems to be a reasonable upper-limit, but not sure it's affording me much additional protection beyond, say, 1000 IU that I would get in my morning multi anyway.

Point of this post: Vitamin D good, but don't take too much 'cuz it'll fuck yer shit up, yo.

Related: Also, spring will be upon us before we know it, and I'm looking forward to getting in some quality perineum sunning. But don't do it for more than 30 seconds a day. You'll really mess yourself up. Trust me. I'm a professional.

[anoncoiner23]

Okay mom  ill start taking my vitamins geez.. are you sure you arent sponsered by Florida oranges everywhere? seriously haven't had the need to take any kind of vitamins since the flintstones vitamins back in the 90's A.k.a (candy) also haven't gotten as much as a cold in recent years, however i did catch COVID  which lasted about a week, had me slightly worried since my sense of smell & taste were basically null, my body naturally fought it off after a lot of water and sleep, drank some OJ too so sure that helped, so i will be drinking more OJ and maybe some vitamins, however water+lemon is my cure all.

[Poker Player]

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Wait. How did I end up here ?

OK. So anyway. About this Vitamin D stuff. Yes. Very important stuff. Even better if your multivitamin has added Zinc.

I'm not familiar with mcg dosage as everything is IU over here, for the most part, and seems that 10mcg works out to about 400 IU. Not a heck of a lot of IU right there. The basic multivitamin I take contains 1000 IU as standard. I supplement with an additional 2000 IU Vitamin D capsule in the evenings, but the point of this post is, to issue a warning not to overdo it on your Vitamin D intake, as it can start to cause problems.

I was taking upwards of 6000 IU at the height of the zaniness last year, and my doctor noted my bloodwork starting getting out of range. Stuff specifically related to having too much Vitamin D in your system. Can start fucking up your bones and shit, or something. I don't know. I'm just some gay dude sent here from outer space.

3000 IU seems to be a reasonable upper-limit, but not sure it's affording me much additional protection beyond, say, 1000 IU that I would get in my morning multi anyway.

Point of this post: Vitamin D good, but don't take too much 'cuz it'll fuck yer shit up, yo.

Related: Also, spring will be upon us before we know it, and I'm looking forward to getting in some quality perineum sunning. But don't do it for more than 30 seconds a day. You'll really mess yourself up. Trust me. I'm a professional.

I'm betting something that your blood test results have nothing to do with vitamin D. Do you still have that blood test? See if what you were getting out of range was calcium. If it wasn't calcium, it has nothing to do with vitamin D. If it was calcium, you must have another problem because no one develops hypercalcemia by taking so little vitamin D.

I take between 20,000 and 30,000 daily during winter months and I haven't had any problems so far.

The maximum recommended dose is 800 IU, which was actually a miscalculation and should be 8,000 IU for the average person.

You can take much, much more dosage without anything happening to you. The only danger with mega doses of vitamin D is hypercalcemia. But typically hypercalcemia appears with blood vitamin D levels of 400 ng/ml, i.e. in people taking ingested amounts such as 100,000 IU or more. When they set the limit they took a safety margin and left it at 100 ng/ml. As you will see, the difference in safety margin is barbaric.

Some very rare cases may develop hypercalcemia above 100 ng/ml but because they have other previous problems, for example, kidney problems. That is why it is usually recommended that if you take more than 10,000 IU daily, a doctor should check your blood calcium levels, but just to be on the safe side, because almost 100% of the cases that take between 10 and 30,000 IU have no problems. From 30,000 IU daily long-term it would be more likely.

Anyway there are things that decrease the risk of developing hypercalcemia even taking mega doses, such as taking vitamin D with vitamin K2, or drinking plenty of water or reducing calcium intake.

Moreover, hypercalcemia, which is the danger that the pharmaceutical industry wants to scare us with, is completely reversible: if you develop it, all you have to do is stop taking vitamin D and wait for the levels to go down.

[Cnut237]

96% of the Covid deaths were really caused by something else.

No, Covid deaths are caused by Covid. Underlying health conditions make you weaker and more likely to die of Covid should you contract it, but comorbidities are comorbidities, not the cause. Low vitamin D levels can make you more susceptible, but doesn't change the cause.

Simply taking large amounts of vitamin-D means that you could save, maybe, 75% of Cancer-patient-deaths, heart-disease-deaths, diabetes-deaths, flu-and-pneumonia-deaths, and traffic fatalities.

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The whole Covid scandal is a big fat lie. [...] government [...] Big Pharma

But you go on to quote a British MP recommending vitamin D supplements, and backing up his advice with data. Hardly a government conspiracy/cover-up.
The UK health service actively recommends vit D supplements, and indeed runs a service to offer it free to Covid-vulnerable groups: https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/people-at-higher-risk/get-vitamin-d-supplements/

[Poker Player]

96% of the Covid deaths were really caused by something else.

No, Covid deaths are caused by Covid. Underlying health conditions make you weaker and more likely to die of Covid should you contract it, but comorbidities are comorbidities, not the cause. Low vitamin D levels can make you more susceptible, but doesn't change the cause.

Covid deaths are caused by Covid but many deaths are labelled as Covid even though they weren't the main cause. So, Covid figures are being at least inflated. This is without taking into account the fact that the flu has disappeared this year. And we have to swallow the story that the flu has disappeared because people wash their hands and use masks but Covid keeps spreading because people are irresponsible and do not wash their hands and use masks sufficiently.

Besides, when you die from a heart attack, the main cause is the heart attack, but the fact that you smoked 3 packs of cigarettes a day and weighed 170 kilos would also have something to do with it, wouldn't it? If you had quit smoking and lost 100 kilos, you would not have died of a heart attack, even if the cause of your death is a heart attack.

Simply taking large amounts of vitamin-D means that you could save, maybe, 75% of Cancer-patient-deaths, heart-disease-deaths, diabetes-deaths, flu-and-pneumonia-deaths, and traffic fatalities.

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I won't go as far as to say that 75% of those cancer deaths could be avoided but here are some scientiphic links:

Vitamin D as a promising anticancer agent
Circulating 25-hydroxyvitamin D and lung cancer risk and survival
Circulating vitamin D level and mortality in prostate cancer patients: a dose-response meta-analysis
Vitamin D and Clinical Cancer Outcomes: A Review of Meta‐Analyses
Blood levels of vitamin D and early stage breast cancer prognosis: a systematic review and meta-analysis

I could put links to hundres of such studies but you can find a comprehensive list here:

https://vitamindwiki.com/Cancer

The whole Covid scandal is a big fat lie. [...] government [...] Big Pharma

But you go on to quote a British MP recommending vitamin D supplements, and backing up his advice with data. Hardly a government conspiracy/cover-up.
The UK health service actively recommends vit D supplements, and indeed runs a service to offer it free to Covid-vulnerable groups: https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/people-at-higher-risk/get-vitamin-d-supplements/

I didn't know about the NHS recommending vitamin D but I've been on the website and it goes along the general international lines: it recommends doses of 400 IU, which is pretty much useless. So they recommend a dose that does nothing and then they say it doesn't work. Give people 50 times the daily dose and come back and tell me if they get colds, flu or Covid.

[Cnut237]

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I'm not disputing that consumption of vitamin D in sufficient quantities confers health benefits.
The part I take issue with is: vitamin D has health benefits, therefore Covid is a scam/conspiracy/government cover-up. This is a non sequitur.

[Tash]

And Kill Gates the College dropout, Not Engineer, Not Doctor, Not an Epidemiologist, Not a Virologist, Not Elected, Owner of Virus Patents those selling vaccines for high profit and frequent visitor to Epstein Island wants to block-out the sun.
Already hard to get enough sun in winter time one of the factors to get sick in late winter time.
Plant a tree or whole forest to do a lot of good but that is not a twenty times profit in his lifetime..

[anoncoiner23]

And Kill Gates the College dropout, Not Engineer, Not Doctor, Not an Epidemiologist, Not a Virologist, Not Elected, Owner of Virus Patents those selling vaccines for high profit and frequent visitor to Epstein Island wants to block-out the sun.
Already hard to get enough sun in winter time one of the factors to get sick in late winter time.
Plant a tree or whole forest to do a lot of good but that is not a twenty times profit in his lifetime..

Hey that's Mr. kill gates to you, and I'm pretty sure owning 20k acres of land technically makes you also a tree investor ?  Alright maybe not, but still he's very well known for his philanthropic efforts, a tree donation is in there somewhere among the billions he's donated, less known for any wrong doing, and please don't dig for dirt on bill. There has to be some good people on this earth and lets pray he's one of them. good day.

https://omaha.com/news/state-and-regional/bill-gates-20-000-acres-in-nebraska-help-make-him-the-top-farmland-owner-in/article_dbf7def8-5b6b-11eb-82c3-d7d1f09cf1f8.html#:~:text=alert%20top%20story-,Bill%20Gates'%2020%2C000%20acres%20in%20Nebraska%20help%20make%20him%20the,farmland%20owner%20in%20the%20U.S.&text=This%20cropland%20west%20of%20Malmo,farmland%20owned%20by%20Bill%20Gates.&text=Bill%20Gates%20owns%20this%20land,Nebraska%20is%20in%20Holt%20County.

[Tash]

And Kill Gates the College dropout, Not Engineer, Not Doctor, Not an Epidemiologist, Not a Virologist, Not Elected, Owner of Virus Patents those selling vaccines for high profit and frequent visitor to Epstein Island wants to block-out the sun.
Already hard to get enough sun in winter time one of the factors to get sick in late winter time.
Plant a tree or whole forest to do a lot of good but that is not a twenty times profit in his lifetime..

Hey that's Mr. kill gates to you, and I'm pretty sure owning 20k acres of land technically makes you also a tree investor ?   Alright maybe not, but still he's very well known for his philanthropic efforts, a tree donation is in there somewhere among the billions he's donated, less known for any wrong doing, and please don't dig for dirt on bill. There has to be some good people on this earth and lets pray he's one of them. good day.

The only donations he makes is to his foundation to avoid tax or bribes.
Someone who publicly stated several times there is to many people and something needs to be done is certainly not humans best friend.
You are more than welcome to line up and get his vaccine, take double dose to be on save side.
Stay indoor also to help him you would't want to have the correct Vitamin D level.

[anoncoiner23]

And Kill Gates the College dropout, Not Engineer, Not Doctor, Not an Epidemiologist, Not a Virologist, Not Elected, Owner of Virus Patents those selling vaccines for high profit and frequent visitor to Epstein Island wants to block-out the sun.
Already hard to get enough sun in winter time one of the factors to get sick in late winter time.
Plant a tree or whole forest to do a lot of good but that is not a twenty times profit in his lifetime..

Hey that's Mr. kill gates to you, and I'm pretty sure owning 20k acres of land technically makes you also a tree investor ?   Alright maybe not, but still he's very well known for his philanthropic efforts, a tree donation is in there somewhere among the billions he's donated, less known for any wrong doing, and please don't dig for dirt on bill. There has to be some good people on this earth and lets pray he's one of them. good day.

The only donations he makes is to his foundation to avoid tax or bribes.
Someone who publicly stated several times there is to many people and something needs to be done is certainly not humans best friend.
You are more than welcome to line up and get his vaccine, take double dose to be on save side.
Stay indoor also to help him you would't want to have the correct Vitamin D level.

Eh. think it'll be okay with just the 1 dose, but will stay inside quite cold this time of the year, and once again your comments/opinions are greatly appreciated and taken under heavy advisement tash 

[BADecker]

96% of the Covid deaths were really caused by something else.

No, Covid deaths are caused by Covid. Underlying health conditions make you weaker and more likely to die of Covid should you contract it, but comorbidities are comorbidities, not the cause. Low vitamin D levels can make you more susceptible, but doesn't change the cause.

First, I want to thank you, because it was 94%, not 96%. My mistake on that number.

Second, when reports come in that the CDC said that 94% of Covid deaths were really not Covid deaths, what the reports mean is that 94% of the so-called or reported Covid deaths were not really Covid deaths. Obviously when Covid kills someone, it's a Covid death. But, when something else kills someone, it isn't Covid that kills him. If it was, the CDC wouldn't have said what they said.

But you are wrong according to the CDC and others regarding underlying causes. The Covid straw that broke the camel's back wasn't the cause of death. It might even have been a cold straw, the flu straw, pneumonia straw, or any number of other straws - including hospital personnel mistakes - that were the straws that allowed the comorbidity to do its final work.

Simply taking large amounts of vitamin-D means that you could save, maybe, 75% of Cancer-patient-deaths, heart-disease-deaths, diabetes-deaths, flu-and-pneumonia-deaths, and traffic fatalities.

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I'll redo the numbers more clearly at the bottom.

The whole Covid scandal is a big fat lie. [...] government [...] Big Pharma

But you go on to quote a British MP recommending vitamin D supplements, and backing up his advice with data. Hardly a government conspiracy/cover-up.
The UK health service actively recommends vit D supplements, and indeed runs a service to offer it free to Covid-vulnerable groups: https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/people-at-higher-risk/get-vitamin-d-supplements/

Here are the numbers that will make you rethink what you said. I will base these numbers on 400,000 deaths - US approx. - and on 94% false Covid deaths, which means 6% Covid deaths, and on the 82% Spanish stats that say this was how much of a reduction in Covid there was in that area of Spain. Note that USA people are a little different than Spain Spaniards, so the results are only hypothetical even if they are close.


400,000 reported Covid deaths
94% of them reported incorrectly
6% reported correctly

... therefore ...

376,000 deaths from causes other than Covid (even though they were reported as Covid)
only 24,000 from covid

... however, if you included the 82% fewer deaths with vitamin D, our original number of 400,000 deaths would have dropped to 72,000

... this means that with the use of vitamin D, only ...

67,680 deaths from causes other than Covid (even though they were reported as Covid)
and 4,320 from covid


Okay. Looks like we got 4,320 Covid deaths. But we didn't. Why not? Because the CDC combined Covid, flu and pneumonia back around July. This means that we need to go to other years to find out how many flu and pneumonia deaths there were, and sort-of average them, apply the 82% to the average, and knock that many deaths off the 4,320 Covid deaths to find out how many Covid deaths there really would have been with vitamin D.

I'd be surprised if there would have been much over a thousand Covid deaths. However, there are several other important factors in our hypothetical thinking here:
1. Even without the 82% saved by vitamin D, there would still be only 72,000 deaths from Covid... way fewer than pandemic proportions. The CDC said so with their 94% attributed to comorbidities. Note that, simply because there was Covid/flu/pneumonia/all-kinds-of-other-stuff around in small amounts, NOBODY KNOWS IF COVID WAS THE STRAW THAT PUSHED THE COMORBIDITY OVER THE CLIFF. But it was definitely the comorbidities that caused the deaths.
2. The 72,000 Covid deaths can't be known for sure, because the CDC combined flu and pneumonia under the same reporting guidelines. If we simply split the 3 of them evenly, then there were only 24,000 Covid deaths out of that original 400,000 report. Or, average the last few years for flu ad pneumonia, and subtract that number from the 72,000 to get closer.
3. The CDC still wants people to wear masks, when the Covid threat is way smaller that all kinds of other thing. Sounds like there is something else in the works that Covid.
4. A very important point is that all kinds of comorbidities could be cleared up with the use of vitamin D. You do the math.
5. Did anybody say that the CDC recommended vitamin D? People are scared that 10,000 units of D might harm them. I take 40,000 to 50,000 units a day. So, there is definitely a conspiracy going on. Those jokers in the CDC aren't ignorant enough to have missed all this.

[Cnut237]

First, I want to thank you

You're welcome.

94% of Covid deaths were really not Covid deaths

Then what were they? You can dispute the reason, but something has been causing the death rate to surge well above usual levels. There's not been a cold/pneumonia/traffic pandemic...


https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid

Once again, I'm not disputing that vit D confers health benefits and can help against Covid. But this doesn't mean government cover-up/conspiracy.

[franky1]

what badecker keeps trying to insinuate is that the 90%+ people died of the final symptom of...
. he is ignoring what the trigger of the initial requirement of hospitalisation was.. the true cause

you will not find car accidents or domestic injury in those stats.
those stats are the stats related to different symptoms within the categories of known covid symptoms that are fatal.
where by the initial trigger of the cause of those fatal symptoms are covid related

..
as for viatmin D
badecker and tash are acting like full on pillmill profiteers.
its like everyone knows if you have a toothache and you just want to use painkillers. the normal recommendation is 2 tablets every 4 hours IF you have pain. yet badecker and tash are saying yea 32 tablets might be fatal but lets take 6 tablets every 4 hours for multiple weeks even before pain starts just to avoid pain.
this is not good health advice. nor is it good advice of treatment. its simply trying to get other idiots to buy things they dont need and use them up quickly to buy more.
heck they are not even giving any good advice about when people should take them. again they just want to promote people should just buy buy buy for the sake of it

they sound more like the pill mill pharma profiteers than the actual pillmill pharma profiteers they pretend to hate. they really have no clue.

vitamins are good. IF YOU NEED THEM. but not good if you dont. not only is it a waste of money but also can cause toxicity issues if you megadose on them. and i can guarantee you even with badeckers basement lifestyle he doesnt need and isnt taking 40k-50 dose of vit-D daily.
because that number is too ludicrous and an obvious random number he picked or found on some dodgy cultish herbal pillmill sales conspiracy site

[BADecker]

94% of Covid deaths were really not Covid deaths

Then what were they? You can dispute the reason, but something has been causing the death rate to surge well above usual levels. There's not been a cold/pneumonia/traffic pandemic...

Why would the CDC suddenly state that 94% of Covid deaths were not Covid deaths, but were something else? They called the something else comorbidities. Do they even know what they are talking about, since they changed their mind on 94% of what formerly were Covid deaths? There were even a few car accidents originally included as Covid deaths, simply because one or more of the people involved in the accident had Covid present inside himself.

You can't seem to get the picture. The word that the CDC uses for the deaths of the 94% is comorbidities, not Covid.

https://i.imgur.com/rujpdKY.jpg
https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid

Anybody can draw pretty charts. If you look for it, you can find statistics that say that US total deaths in 2017-2018 might have surpassed 2020 total deaths.

Once again, I'm not disputing that vit D confers health benefits and can help against Covid. But this doesn't mean government cover-up/conspiracy.

I agree with you in your statement, above. There are all kinds of nutritionals that confer health benefits. Some of them are called food. None of them by themselves have anything to do with "government cover-up/conspiracy."

Here is what has or might have to do with "government cover-up/conspiracy." The CDC and other health departments and agencies contracted with government, are there to provide health for the people. When was the CDC started? They have had decades to find out that simple, little, old vitamin D reduces death by 82%. All they have to do is test a little. Or did they do the tests before they started putting V-D3 into whole milk throughout the USA decades ago?

Either they tested and know it and it's a conspiracy, or ignored testing when it would have been far easier to test than working on making vaccines that barely worked all those years, and mostly cause side effects. If this isn't a "government cover-up/conspiracy," it's a medical or medical leaders cover-up/conspiracy. If it isn't, we have the stupidest people in the world as medical leaders

I mean. If it isn't a government/medical cover-up/conspiracy of some sort, but rather if it is some kind of accidental we-simply-missed-it, what are these nitwits who can't even do a little, simple vitamin D testing even doing in a position where they affect millions of people medically with what they do and say?

Either there is a medical/government conspiracy, or the whole medical thing is full of idiot leaders. In general, medical people in standard medical practice, barely have one, simple, little course on nutrition in all their medical training. Yet nutrition is what we are made of physically. Are you part of the conspiracy? Or are you simply blind in the head.

[Cnut237]

Anybody can draw pretty charts. If you look for it, you can find statistics that say that US total deaths in 2017-2018 might have surpassed 2020 total deaths.

Hmm. When I look, I see something different:



The issue isn't that there was a sudden surge in 'comorbidities' in 2020 that weirdly happened to coincide exactly with the Covid pandemic, even down to the March/April surge.
The issue is that there was a pandemic, and people died from Covid. And as you'd expect, many of those were people who already had underlying health issues.

[BADecker]

Anybody can draw pretty charts. If you look for it, you can find statistics that say that US total deaths in 2017-2018 might have surpassed 2020 total deaths.

Hmm. When I look, I see something different:

https://i.imgur.com/KgBOu11.jpg]

The issue isn't that there was a sudden surge in 'comorbidities' in 2020 that weirdly happened to coincide exactly with the Covid pandemic, even down to the March/April surge.
The issue is that there was a pandemic, and people died from Covid. And as you'd expect, many of those were people who already had underlying health issues.

All you are suggesting is that the CDC is lying. You seem to forget that there are all kinds of triggers (to use franky1's word) that could have been the straw that broke the comorbidity camel's back... not only Covid. So, you take your pick of charts that make you feel comfortable, somehow, with the CDC lies that you know are lies, even though you might not know in which direction they are lying.

The question is, are you going to keep on with this charade? Or are you going to, at least, admit that the possibility exists that Covid might be close to 100% a lie, and that the pandemic IS possibly a 100% lie, even if you don't believe it is a lie?

Consider, the contradictions that exist are enormous. This suggests either total incompetence regarding the medical leaders, or a big fat conspiracy.

[Mariangle Blocker]

The lockdowns have caused many people to stay inside, and out of the sun. Being exposed to the sun allows people to get Vitamin D naturally. There have been links between a lack of Vitamin D and higher rates of Covid deaths found in studies.

I would conclude this to mean the closings of parks and beaches actually increased covid related deaths. Thanks Roy Cooper

We need something for Vitamin D and at the same time we should take the vaccine. Covid is terrible, not matter whether the government did overstatement. To protect our lives, take the pills and take vaccine, I think.

[Tash]

The lockdowns have caused many people to stay inside, and out of the sun. Being exposed to the sun allows people to get Vitamin D naturally. There have been links between a lack of Vitamin D and higher rates of Covid deaths found in studies.

I would conclude this to mean the closings of parks and beaches actually increased covid related deaths. Thanks Roy Cooper

We need something for Vitamin D and at the same time we should take the vaccine. Covid is terrible, not matter whether the government did overstatement. To protect our lives, take the pills and take vaccine, I think.

Take at least two dose see if you can get more better save than sorry, do some good for mankind.

[Cnut237]

take the pills and take vaccine, I think.

Yes, definitely. It makes sense. There is some evidence that vitamin D helps, and there is no danger from taking too much vitamin D, so definitely use it. Ans obviously vaccines have been proven to work, so take that when you get the chance, to protect yourself and others.

[BADecker]

^^^ Absolutely, vaccines have proven to do some kind of work. But the work is detrimental, and often downright criminal, with the deaths that are happening because of vaccines.

You can do Internets searches, along with reading your standard newspapers, and watching your standard news media television to see this.

If you want to see what many extremely knowledgeable doctors are saying about vaccines, watch and listen to Del Bigtree interviewing them - https://www.bitchute.com/channel/okiFK5CwQrZS/.

[franky1]

take the pills and take vaccine, I think.

Yes, definitely. It makes sense. There is some evidence that vitamin D helps, and there is no danger from taking too much vitamin D, so definitely use it. Ans obviously vaccines have been proven to work, so take that when you get the chance, to protect yourself and others.

vitamin overdosing does have negatives. hyper calcemia. kidney damage and much more.
especially in the amounts and frequency badecker pretends he takes.
its like painkillers. small amounts ok. but megadosing on them is literally suicide.

take it IF YOU NEED IT. not because some one says you want lots of it.

as for badecker trying to recommend 40-70k dosage.. im guessing the tablets are saying X but the actually dosage inside the tablet is 100x less (as is with most scammy homeopathy supplements) meaning actually its only 400ul-700ul. and the rest is filler
400ul-700ul sounds like the normal dosage range people should have.. or save the money and just go for a 30minute walk

[BADecker]

^^^ For me? Thanks, franky1. One question. Does any of what you said there have any meaning? Please explain?

[franky1]

badecker. your ignorance is clear.

my point if you ever intend to read something. is that your recommendation to overdose on supplements sounds like the PR material of herbalife pyramid scam "just buy more"
just check out your footnote.. your advertising pharma products while pretending people need those products to be anti-pharma. you are a complete contradiction.

if you cared about peoples actual health you would not be sounding like a salesman trying to just sell more supplements/pillmill products. instead you would actually be looking and researching into what people actually need. using fair dosages and suggestions.

you are over selling your supplements and underselling the benefits/risks
you completely lie about stuff just to advertise supplements.

so yea. my point is clear. you dont give a crap about peoples health even though for 10months now you have been trying to pretend your words benefit peoples health

but to emphasis:
400-700ul of vitamin D .. not your recommended 40,000ul-70.000ul
.. well u can take 40,000 but your paying 100x more. and you will love peeing out kidney stones

[BADecker]

badecker. your ignorance is clear.

my point if you ever intend to read something. is that your recommendation to overdose on supplements sounds like the PR material of herbalife pyramid scam "just buy more"
just check out your footnote.. your advertising pharma products while pretending people need those products to be anti-pharma. you are a complete contradiction.

if you cared about peoples actual health you would not be sounding like a salesman trying to just sell more supplements/pillmill products. instead you would actually be looking and researching into what people actually need. using fair dosages and suggestions.

you are over selling your supplements and underselling the benefits/risks
you completely lie about stuff just to advertise supplements.

so yea. my point is clear. you dont give a crap about peoples health even though for 10months now you have been trying to pretend your words benefit peoples health

but to emphasis:
400-700ul of vitamin D .. not your recommended 40,000ul-70.000ul
.. well u can take 40,000 but your paying 100x more. and you will love peeing out kidney stones

I get it. You're still hung up on the overdosing of HCQ in the tests the CDC ran. We both know they did it this way to hush up the effectiveness of this inexpensive cure for Covid, so they could promote their dangerous vaccines.

As far as vitamin D goes, whatever works, don't you think? If a billion units works for somebody, shouldn't they take it? Around 50,000 works for me.

Now, lets combine the important thought in both of my above paragraphs. The CDC/FDA/NIH recommends whatever works to bring in money, right? They overdose on HCQ so it looks bad, and they underdose on vitamin D so that it barely works.

You constantly talk about doing research. It isn't doing research that counts. It's accepting the right research that counts... but at least acknowledging that there is research that contradicts the research you preach.

If you had had the right research long ago, you would have saved yourself all your physical problems that you have now, right?

[franky1]

whatever works.. as long as it works. does not mean sell it to everyone no matter what.

your game is to say something works in one place. EG spain offering max of 16000ui a day.. TO PEOPLE WITH KNOWN DEFICIENCY and are currently in need of fueling their immune system because they are in the middle of an infection.. hense the high 16000 for those..
but you use it as your 'proof' to say EVERYONE no matter if deficient or not, no matter if currently fighting an infection or not, should take 40000-70000ui daily for as long as possible

utter idiocy
im just surprised your conspiracy influencers pretending to be health gurus havent yet tried to tie you into some herbalife/nutrilife pyramid scam

[BADecker]

whatever works.. as long as it works. does not mean sell it to everyone no matter what.

your game is to say something works in one place. EG spain offering max of 16000ui a day.. TO PEOPLE WITH KNOWN DEFICIENCY and are currently in need of fueling their immune system because they are in the middle of an infection.. hense the high 16000 for those..
but you use it as your 'proof' to say EVERYONE no matter if deficient or not, no matter if currently fighting an infection or not, should take 40000-70000ui daily for as long as possible

utter idiocy
im just surprised your conspiracy influencers pretending to be health gurus havent yet tried to tie you into some herbalife/nutrilife pyramid scam

I have taken over 200,000 units of vitamin D per day. I'm fine. So, you know what that means? It simply means that you want to go along with the medical and keep people as sick as you possibly can. And recommending useless amounts of vitamin D is part of your way of doing it.

[franky1]

i guess what your taking doesnt actually have in the pill what the label says it has
200000iu should be a 6monthly amount. not something you take daily

[Poker Player]

I've got franky1 on ignore but I've read him when BADecker has quoted him and, LOL, he's recommending 400 IUs, which is ridiculous. What we are saying is that current recommended official doses are way too low. They do nothing. Well, yes, they help prevent rickets, which is useless for 99.9% of people nowadays. For boosting your inmune system and avoid taking many of the medicines Big Pharma wants you to take you need to take doses much higher than that.

As for the last reply:

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[franky1]

and i laugh because the idiots promoting vit D have no clue at alll

a normal person uses 400-700iu a day.. meaning they need the equivelent of half an hour walk in winter
(10mins in summer)

however if your a basement dweller with no conversion issues internally then taking a supplement of that amount is adequate too.

however if you have internal conversion issues where the vitamin D in your body does not get used. say by 50% then you would need double time outdoors or double supplement. meaning ~1000iu

taking more then this is if you cant be bothered to venture out of your basement for 6 months and also cant be bothered to take a daily normal dose. so instead you take a single shot every 6 months of 180k iu
where your body then converts the 180k iu slowly over the 6 months because you have stockpiled it.
meaning day 1: 179000 left.. day 2:17800 left.. and so on..
..
whats not recommended if to be taking 16k a day because its then
day1: 15000 day2: 30000 day3: 45000. day4: 60000... day8:120000... day16:240000
meaning within 16 days you are at a higher level accumulating in your body than a single 6monthly dosage
which means by the end of first month you are at double toxic risk than a 6month single dose.

so doing the math of instead of 16k a day and instead lets say 60k (badecker preference)
your at a 6month dose amount within 4 days. and thus accumulating toxic amounts sooner.

emphasis: your body does not use 1000iu a day. so no need to be megadosing large amounts daily.
higher dosages are only needed for 2 purposes:
1. going long periods of not getting any vit D intake.
2. in the middle of a infection

do not megadose/overdose as a daily use strategy
decide.
if you want to take 8000-16000iu(healthy-bad converter) then do that 2 times a month. not daily.
or if you want to take 30000-60000iu(healthy-bad converter) every 2 months. not daily.
or have ~500iu a day if healthy. or 1000iu if you know you have conversion issues internally

but remember its much more simpler and cheaper to just get out in daylight for like half an hour a day

[BADecker]

Tiny amounts of vitamin D do exactly what tiny amounts do. They produce tiny results.

If you want results that cure 82% of people from Covid, take reasonable mega-doses of vitamin D.

[BADecker]

^^^ Vitamin D is good. But be very sure about the vaccine.

The common cold is a coronavirus. They've been trying to make a vaccine for it over at least the last 30 years. They have failed. Their failures include the killing off of many test animals. In addition, when you get right into the numbers and the statistics regarding the Covid vaccines, the truth isn't coming out. The vaccines are dangerous. Search through this link to find videos on vaccine explanations - https://www.bitchute.com/channel/okiFK5CwQrZS/.

[Poker Player]

Tiny amounts of vitamin D do exactly what tiny amounts do. They produce tiny results.

If you want results that cure 82% of people from Covid, take reasonable mega-doses of vitamin D.

Yes. Many people think that 20,000 IU is a mega dose, when it is easy to get that amount from the sun for short exposures at latitudes near the equator.

We should talk about blood levels and not doses to be more precise, but it's the same thing. Blood levels of 30ng/ml of vitamin D are too low. Beach watchers can naturally reach up to 140 ng/ml.

[franky1]

Yes. Many people think that 20,000 IU is a mega dose, when it is easy to get that amount from the sun for short exposures at latitudes near the equator.

being shirtless wearing shorts. and basking in the midsummer sun on the equator for 10minutes. can radiate your body upto20000iu
.. but thats sunbathing at 40^oc .. and you will know about it when you feel the sting of sunburn

wearing normal shirt and trousers. probably 10000ui per 10min. youl still feel it on the exposed arms and face. you know that red sting feeling.. but oh well. you were the one that decided to be out in the midday sun at the equator without suncream..

these examples are not examples that your body needs 10000-20000. nor examples that you use 10000-20000. its examples of extreme amounts foolish people can accumplish if they sunbathe in silly places without covering themselves up

and doing this every day.. well that comes with its own issues

10000-20000 is not a normal daily amount. its an extreme level for folks that want to imitate lobsters. (hard red skin)

normal latitudes normal days. normal clothing. and wearing suncream. the amount of vit d will be far lower.
so stop overdosing on the sun or on vitamins thinking overdosing is normal.

[Cnut237]

~

The question is, are you going to keep on with this charade? Or are you going to, at least, admit that the possibility exists that Covid might be close to 100% a lie, and that the pandemic IS possibly a 100% lie, even if you don't believe it is a lie?

BADecker.

I'll admit any possibility initially, and am willing to be swayed by hard evidence. But in this instance the evidence is overwhelming that something caused huge numbers of extra deaths in 2020, and that the peaks coincided with the rise of Covid, and the troughs coincided with lockdowns. It's pretty conclusive, and the evidence is derived from many countries and many different sources.

I know that you and I have very different perspectives on most topics, but I'm drawn to the—perhaps erroneous—assumption that you start from a desired conclusion, and then seek out evidence to corroborate a thing that you've already decided. Obviously I think I'm impartial, but I'm aware that of course I also have my own biases... it's very difficult for anyone to assess issues with 100% perfect objectivity and no preconceived notions.

I think I'd be more comfortable discussing things with you if you could give me an example of sometime in the past where you've had a firm conviction on something but you then changed your opinion completely when confronted with evidence.

An example from me would be that I used to argue that all religions should be abolished, because they brought nothing but conflict and persecution, and were in essence evil. Since then, whilst I still don't believe in god, I've come to understand from speaking to people with strong beliefs that religious affiliation brings huge social benefits and can often be a force for good. I would now argue a much more nuanced perspective.

Could I have an example from you?

[BADecker]

~

The question is, are you going to keep on with this charade? Or are you going to, at least, admit that the possibility exists that Covid might be close to 100% a lie, and that the pandemic IS possibly a 100% lie, even if you don't believe it is a lie?

BADecker.

I'll admit any possibility initially, and am willing to be swayed by hard evidence. But in this instance the evidence is overwhelming that something caused huge numbers of extra deaths in 2020, and that the peaks coincided with the rise of Covid, and the troughs coincided with lockdowns. It's pretty conclusive, and the evidence is derived from many countries and many different sources.

I know that you and I have very different perspectives on most topics, but I'm drawn to the—perhaps erroneous—assumption that you start from a desired conclusion, and then seek out evidence to corroborate a thing that you've already decided. Obviously I think I'm impartial, but I'm aware that of course I also have my own biases... it's very difficult for anyone to assess issues with 100% perfect objectivity and no preconceived notions.

I think I'd be more comfortable discussing things with you if you could give me an example of sometime in the past where you've had a firm conviction on something but you then changed your opinion completely when confronted with evidence.

An example from me would be that I used to argue that all religions should be abolished, because they brought nothing but conflict and persecution, and were in essence evil. Since then, whilst I still don't believe in god, I've come to understand from speaking to people with strong beliefs that religious affiliation brings huge social benefits and can often be a force for good. I would now argue a much more nuanced perspective.

Could I have an example from you?

Del Bigtree of The Highwire (https://www.bitchute.com/channel/okiFK5CwQrZS/) has interviewed all kinds of people in authority who have shown that total deaths in the US aren't any more than any year. You may need to go to some past videos to find those that talk about death statistics... past videos up to March.

Search on "US total death statistics 10 years" - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=us+total+death+statistics+10+years&t=ffab&ia=web - to find all kinds of websites that show death stats are similar for each year. Much of their info comes from the CDC website which shows similar... similar deaths each year.

I'm not here to make you feel comfortable with me.
If you aren't willing to acknowledge the fact that Covid stats
don't change the total US death count,
according to loads of sites,
sites that are having a difficult time of reconciling total deaths along with Covid death counts,
what's the difference if you don't feel all cozy about me?

Do the search as listed above. Do other searches with similar wording. For example, look at knoema at https://knoema.com/atlas/United-States-of-America/Death-rate. Note that they talk about death rates per year falling from 1971 to 2020. Then note that their chart shows death rates going down from 1950 to about 2010, and then going back up to 2020, but never coming close to 1950. Then note their table right next to the chart. The table shows a rather steady death rate increase from 2012/2013, every year thru 2020. There wasn't any Covid jump except if Covid started back a decade ago. Still, none in 2020 that was a greater rate of increase.

Other charts and tables here and there show completely different things. But how could they show different when the CDC suddenly said that 94% of formerly called Covid deaths were really from comorbidities. Most death statistic sites haven't picked up on this 94% drop that came about suddenly. Pick the charts you like, and kiss and hug them.

[Cnut237]

I think I'd be more comfortable discussing things with you if you could give me an example of sometime in the past where you've had a firm conviction on something but you then changed your opinion completely when confronted with evidence.

I'm not here to make you feel comfortable with me. [...] what's the difference if you don't feel all cozy about me?

Comfortable was perhaps the wrong word. I'm suggesting that you're arguing in bad faith. That you have decided without evidence that Covid is a scam/cover-up/conspiracy, and have then sought out selective evidence to back-up your already entrenched position.
If you give an example, as I have done, of some time when you've changed your opinion based on evidence, then I'll happily reassess my theory. If you can't do that, then you're undermining every argument you've ever made.

[BADecker]

I think I'd be more comfortable discussing things with you if you could give me an example of sometime in the past where you've had a firm conviction on something but you then changed your opinion completely when confronted with evidence.

I'm not here to make you feel comfortable with me. [...] what's the difference if you don't feel all cozy about me?

Comfortable was perhaps the wrong word. I'm suggesting that you're arguing in bad faith. That you have decided without evidence that Covid is a scam/cover-up/conspiracy, and have then sought out selective evidence to back-up your already entrenched position.
If you give an example, as I have done, of some time when you've changed your opinion based on evidence, then I'll happily reassess my theory. If you can't do that, then you're undermining every argument you've ever made.

Wow! I was just kinda sounding off when I said, "Pick the charts you like, and kiss and hug them." I knew you already did that. But I thought you were sincerely interested. You can lead the horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

It was kinda fun. And I respect that you don't even choose to look. Hey, man. This is a forum. We kinda slap each other on the back like good ol' buds, even though we go different ways when we leave.

[Cnut237]

Could I have an example from you?

If you give an example, as I have done, of some time when you've changed your opinion based on evidence, then I'll happily reassess my theory. If you can't do that, then you're undermining every argument you've ever made.

Well, I tried.

[BADecker]

Could I have an example from you?

If you give an example, as I have done, of some time when you've changed your opinion based on evidence, then I'll happily reassess my theory. If you can't do that, then you're undermining every argument you've ever made.

Well, I tried.

You didn't even go to the sites in post #43, above. You say you tried, but you didn't. There's a difference between saying something and actually doing it.  Or didn't your clicker work on your mouse when you clicked the links in #43?

Lol

[BADecker]

Haven't you guys heard? The sun isn't the same anymore, therefore it won't cure covid. It's been replaced with a fake sun. The liberals did it.

https://i.imgur.com/ERNgDKy.jpg

Try to keep up on the latest BADecker, sheesh.

Revelation 19:17:

And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried in a loud voice to all the birds flying in midair, "Come, gather together for the great supper of God,...

There are some Bible scholars and others, who are convinced that over the 7,500-year history of the earth, the angel in the sun has changed once or twice... maybe 3 times. They base this on the fact that the sun has drastically changed at certain places in history, as recorded by the peoples living in those times.

They say that practice makes perfect. But they are wrong. Nothing ever reaches perfection. But keep practicing, and you might even surpass BADecker sometime.

[franky1]

Revelation 19:17:

And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried in a loud voice to all the birds flying in midair, "Come, gather together for the great supper of God,...

and that there is the quote which will trigger badeckers next cult.
replace 'angel' with 'ufo' and there you have the suicide cults that think if they gather together and have a last supper and then kill themselves, they will get to meet aliens(god)

[Cnut237]

And I saw an angel standing in the sun

If you look at the sun for any length of time, then you're not going to see very much at all, and will probably need a trip to hospital.

who cried in a loud voice

Sound doesn't travel through space. If the angel is in the sun, this is an issue.

to all the birds flying in midair, "Come, gather together for the great supper of God,...

Birds don't understand exhortations in spoken English.

I'm not being flippant, just trying to illustrate the point that if you don't accept facts and science as an argument, and use faith-based arguments, then you are starting from a conclusion and seeking out whatever corroborates your pre-set opinion, rather than starting from a position where you seek out facts to determine whether or not your assumed conclusion is correct. Which goes back to the discussion of a couple of days ago: have you ever changed your mind about anything, based on evidence?

[BADecker]

Revelation 19:17:

And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried in a loud voice to all the birds flying in midair, "Come, gather together for the great supper of God,...

and that there is the quote which will trigger badeckers next cult.
replace 'angel' with 'ufo' and there you have the suicide cults that think if they gather together and have a last supper and then kill themselves, they will get to meet aliens(god)

I don't blame you. After all, this is one of the best ways to hide the cult of modern medicine - especially vaccines. Suggest that somebody else is starting an opposing cult, even when it is not true.

And I saw an angel standing in the sun

If you look at the sun for any length of time, then you're not going to see very much at all, and will probably need a trip to hospital.

who cried in a loud voice

Sound doesn't travel through space. If the angel is in the sun, this is an issue.

to all the birds flying in midair, "Come, gather together for the great supper of God,...

Birds don't understand exhortations in spoken English.

I'm not being flippant, just trying to illustrate the point that if you don't accept facts and science as an argument, and use faith-based arguments, then you are starting from a conclusion and seeking out whatever corroborates your pre-set opinion, rather than starting from a position where you seek out facts to determine whether or not your assumed conclusion is correct. Which goes back to the discussion of a couple of days ago: have you ever changed your mind about anything, based on evidence?

Looking at the sun doesn't have anything to do with the angel who stands in the sun. He still stands in the sun.

Sound traveling through space doesn't have anything to do with an angel speaking in a loud voice.

Yet we have at least several varieties of birds who can speak English. But since the original was written in Greek, and since God can easily speak the language that birds understand, this isn't even relevant.

Science is something like an iceberg. We see the top of it floating above the water. We can examine some of the top that we see. But we have no idea about the part under water. Science know so very little about what there is to know scientifically.

[Cnut237]

Looking at the sun doesn't have anything to do with the angel who stands in the sun. He still stands in the sun.

You don't know he's there unless you see him.

Sound traveling through space doesn't have anything to do with an angel speaking in a loud voice.

You don't know what he's said unless you hear him.

Science know so very little about what there is to know scientifically.

God of the gaps is not a compelling argument.

2000 years ago: "We do not know what causes lightning, therefore it must be a god throwing lightning bolts from the sky."
1000 years ago: "We do not know what keeps the planets in their courses. There must be angels pushing them along."
500 years ago: "We do not know what causes diseases, therefore they must be punishments from God."
200 years ago: "We do not know how the many species of plants and animals could have appeared, therefore God must have created them."
100 years ago: "We do not know how the universe started, therefore God must have done it."
60 years ago: "We do not know how genes are passed from parent to child, therefore traits must be imprinted upon the soul."

As science advances, the domain of things caused by God diminishes. Eventually there will be hardly anything left. Faith and religious belief confer certain social benefits, but there is no underlying truth to them.

[hartley]

Vitamin D steers the immune system away from highly inflammatory pathways and toward a pathway that is more regulated. You’re going to get enough vitamin D if you eat a relatively healthy meal and get some sunlight, this can boost your immune system very effective.
In times like these it’s more important than ever to know what’s in our bodies. Vitamin D can keep exposure to COVID-19 from becoming an infection that can cause you and other people harm.

[BADecker]

Looking at the sun doesn't have anything to do with the angel who stands in the sun. He still stands in the sun.

You don't know he's there unless you see him.

When God let John see it so he could write it in the Revelation, John saw it.

Sound traveling through space doesn't have anything to do with an angel speaking in a loud voice.

You don't know what he's said unless you hear him.

When God let John hear it so he could write it in the Revelation, John heard it.

Science know so very little about what there is to know scientifically.

God of the gaps is not a compelling argument.

2000 years ago: "We do not know what causes lightning, therefore it must be a god throwing lightning bolts from the sky."
1000 years ago: "We do not know what keeps the planets in their courses. There must be angels pushing them along."
500 years ago: "We do not know what causes diseases, therefore they must be punishments from God."
200 years ago: "We do not know how the many species of plants and animals could have appeared, therefore God must have created them."
100 years ago: "We do not know how the universe started, therefore God must have done it."
60 years ago: "We do not know how genes are passed from parent to child, therefore traits must be imprinted upon the soul."

As science advances, the domain of things caused by God diminishes. Eventually there will be hardly anything left. Faith and religious belief confer certain social benefits, but there is no underlying truth to them.

"God of the gaps" is the wrong term. The correct term is "mankind of the gaps." God doesn't have any gaps. It's the gaps in the understanding and knowledge of man.

God is Almighty. All the knowledge and strength of combined mankind is smaller in size when compared with God, than an atom of hydrogen in our universe if the universe were packed solidly with atoms of hydrogen.

God knows everything. He made everything through the cause and effect that He started in the creation. In order for there to be the complexity of mankind in our present time, God tossed everything out in the Beginning in just the right way so that cause and effect produces complexity right now.

As science advances, they will soon come to the understanding of how great God really is. But if they try to fight or ignore this truth, they will only destroy themselves with their science.

Vitamin D steers the immune system away from highly inflammatory pathways and toward a pathway that is more regulated. You’re going to get enough vitamin D if you eat a relatively healthy meal and get some sunlight, this can boost your immune system very effective.
In times like these it’s more important than ever to know what’s in our bodies. Vitamin D can keep exposure to COVID-19 from becoming an infection that can cause you and other people harm.

This is reasonably correct. The question is, who knows for sure if a good healthy meal really gives us enough vitamin D - or any other nutrient - for times of trouble, like Covid. It certainly isn't your average doctor... who gets one small nutrition course in his whole medical training.

[BADecker]

Let's say it another way. As of today, there are 467,518 US Covid deaths listed on worldometer.- https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/.

These deaths are before the 94% that the CDC says were due to comorbidities.

These deaths are comparable to the way Spain is reporting deaths in the OP article. What I mean is, Spain hasn't taken the comorbidities into account. This means that the application of high doses of vitamin D aren't only reducing Covid, but they are also reducing deaths from comorbidities... cancer, heart disease, diabetes, flu, pneumonia, loads of things.

In the US, we would have had only 18% of the deaths we had that were originally attributed to Covid, if we had used vitamin D, and if we could say we were comparable to Spain. This means we would have had only 84,153 Covid deaths in the US with vitamin D alone.

Think about it. The CDC says all kinds of contradictory things. The whole Covid thing is a lie. Those who died would have died anyway, without Covid. Fewer would have died because the medical only made the whole thing worse when they blindly tackled Covid. The vaccine will only make it worse than ever... as we are seeing.

[BADecker]

All those comorbidities that the CDC was talking about when they said that their original Covid death count was comorbidities... those deaths are from things like cancer, heart disease, diabetes, and other thing... not Covid. Now we are finding that many of those comorbidity deaths from the last 30 years could have been cured with the use of somewhat mega-doses of vitamin D.


Battling skin cancer: Vitamin D may be used to boost anti-tumor activity, study finds

British researchers have found that vitamin D helps fight a serious form of skin cancer known as melanoma. In a study published in the journal Cancer Research, they reported that increasing vitamin D levels can help suppress a signaling pathway linked to the growth and spread of melanoma cells.

“[What’s] really intriguing is that we can now see how vitamin D might help the immune system fight cancer,” said Julia Newton-Bishop, a professor of dermatology at the University of Leeds and one of the study researchers.
Increasing Vitamin D receptor expression increases immune activity against melanoma

Melanoma is a form of skin cancer that begins in cells known as melanocytes. While less common than basal cell carcinoma and squamous cell carcinoma, it is more dangerous because it spreads more easily to other organs if left untreated at an early stage. In the United States, nearly 7,000 people die from melanoma every year, while only 2,000 die from basal and squamous cell carcinoma.

Past studies have linked low levels of vitamin D in the body to a worse melanoma outcome. But the precise mechanisms behind this had been unclear. To that end, Newton-Bishop and her team investigated what happens when cells lack a protein called vitamin D receptor (VDR). Vitamin D cannot bind to cells unless the cells have VDRs on their surfaces.

The researchers obtained samples from 703 human melanoma tumors and 353 metastatic ones (tumors that have spread from the original site) to study the expression of the gene that has the instructions for making VDR. Within these samples, they looked for links between the gene’s expression and other features, such as the thickness of the melanoma tumors, how fast they grew and genetic alterations that caused faster tumor growth.

[Tash]

All those comorbidities that the CDC was talking about when they said that their original Covid death count was comorbidities... those deaths are from things like cancer, heart disease, diabetes, and other thing... not Covid. Now we are finding that many of those comorbidity deaths from the last 30 years could have been cured with the use of somewhat mega-doses of vitamin D.


Battling skin cancer: Vitamin D may be used to boost anti-tumor activity, study finds

British researchers have found that vitamin D helps fight a serious form of skin cancer known as melanoma. In a study published in the journal Cancer Research, they reported that increasing vitamin D levels can help suppress a signaling pathway linked to the growth and spread of melanoma cells.

“[What’s] really intriguing is that we can now see how vitamin D might help the immune system fight cancer,” said Julia Newton-Bishop, a professor of dermatology at the University of Leeds and one of the study researchers.
Increasing Vitamin D receptor expression increases immune activity against melanoma

Melanoma is a form of skin cancer that begins in cells known as melanocytes. While less common than basal cell carcinoma and squamous cell carcinoma, it is more dangerous because it spreads more easily to other organs if left untreated at an early stage. In the United States, nearly 7,000 people die from melanoma every year, while only 2,000 die from basal and squamous cell carcinoma.

Past studies have linked low levels of vitamin D in the body to a worse melanoma outcome. But the precise mechanisms behind this had been unclear. To that end, Newton-Bishop and her team investigated what happens when cells lack a protein called vitamin D receptor (VDR). Vitamin D cannot bind to cells unless the cells have VDRs on their surfaces.

The researchers obtained samples from 703 human melanoma tumors and 353 metastatic ones (tumors that have spread from the original site) to study the expression of the gene that has the instructions for making VDR. Within these samples, they looked for links between the gene’s expression and other features, such as the thickness of the melanoma tumors, how fast they grew and genetic alterations that caused faster tumor growth.

I say 80-90% of all ills in nothing more than wrong lifestyle.
Not enough SUN, not enough of essential vitamin A, B6, B9, B12, C and D and the minerals zinc, selenium, iron and copper

[BADecker]

All those comorbidities that the CDC was talking about when they said that their original Covid death count was comorbidities... those deaths are from things like cancer, heart disease, diabetes, and other thing... not Covid. Now we are finding that many of those comorbidity deaths from the last 30 years could have been cured with the use of somewhat mega-doses of vitamin D.


Battling skin cancer: Vitamin D may be used to boost anti-tumor activity, study finds

British researchers have found that vitamin D helps fight a serious form of skin cancer known as melanoma. In a study published in the journal Cancer Research, they reported that increasing vitamin D levels can help suppress a signaling pathway linked to the growth and spread of melanoma cells.

“[What’s] really intriguing is that we can now see how vitamin D might help the immune system fight cancer,” said Julia Newton-Bishop, a professor of dermatology at the University of Leeds and one of the study researchers.
Increasing Vitamin D receptor expression increases immune activity against melanoma

Melanoma is a form of skin cancer that begins in cells known as melanocytes. While less common than basal cell carcinoma and squamous cell carcinoma, it is more dangerous because it spreads more easily to other organs if left untreated at an early stage. In the United States, nearly 7,000 people die from melanoma every year, while only 2,000 die from basal and squamous cell carcinoma.

Past studies have linked low levels of vitamin D in the body to a worse melanoma outcome. But the precise mechanisms behind this had been unclear. To that end, Newton-Bishop and her team investigated what happens when cells lack a protein called vitamin D receptor (VDR). Vitamin D cannot bind to cells unless the cells have VDRs on their surfaces.

The researchers obtained samples from 703 human melanoma tumors and 353 metastatic ones (tumors that have spread from the original site) to study the expression of the gene that has the instructions for making VDR. Within these samples, they looked for links between the gene’s expression and other features, such as the thickness of the melanoma tumors, how fast they grew and genetic alterations that caused faster tumor growth.

I say 80-90% of all ills in nothing more than wrong lifestyle.
Not enough SUN, not enough of essential vitamin A, B6, B9, B12, C and D and the minerals zinc, selenium, iron and copper

That was really the point. If a little mega-dosing with vitamin D can reduce comorbidity deaths by 60% to 82%, think of what full and complete, proper nutrition could do for people. EVERYBODY might live to be over 100.

[Tash]

Lot of things will emergncy correct the misteaded body.
As I see it the best treatment is the oral nutrition therapie (vitamins D,C,A,E, and zinc)
Obvious with enough sun fruit vegies and less frequencies, covid is barly noticed or non existend  to start with.
https://www.energetichealthinstitute.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Position-Paper-v24-Reduced-Size.pdf

[Cnut237]

Lot of things will emergncy correct the misteaded body.
As I see it the best treatment is the oral nutrition therapie (vitamins D,C,A,E, and zinc)
Obvious with enough sun fruit vegies and less frequencies, covid is barly noticed or non existend  to start with.
https://www.energetichealthinstitute.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Position-Paper-v24-Reduced-Size.pdf

The best approach is to take the vaccine. This not only protects you, but also helps to reduce transmission and so protects the as-yet-unvaccinated people as well.

But yes, there is evidence that vitamin D helps... and arguably vitamin D supplementation is a good idea anyway for people living at higher latitudes, and also dependent on skin pigmentation.
A healthy lifestyle in general helps to keep your body strong... but vaccination is the most important element here.

[Tash]

Lot of things will emergncy correct the misteaded body.
As I see it the best treatment is the oral nutrition therapie (vitamins D,C,A,E, and zinc)
Obvious with enough sun fruit vegies and less frequencies, covid is barly noticed or non existend  to start with.
https://www.energetichealthinstitute.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Position-Paper-v24-Reduced-Size.pdf

The best approach is to take the vaccine. This not only protects you, but also helps to reduce transmission and so protects the as-yet-unvaccinated people as well.

But yes, there is evidence that vitamin D helps... and arguably vitamin D supplementation is a good idea anyway for people living at higher latitudes, and also dependent on skin pigmentation.
A healthy lifestyle in general helps to keep your body strong... but vaccination is the most important element here.

So a nut  (Cnut237) on the internet knows more then someone working a lifetime long in the field

Geert Vanden Bossche, DMV, PhD, independent virologist and vaccine expert, was head of vaccine develpment in German centre of infection research. vaccine wrong weapon to fight.
https://youtu.be/ZJZxiNxYLpc

As the unprecedented extent of human intervention in the Covid-19 pandemic is now at risk of resulting in a global catastrope without equal, this call cannot sound loudly and strongly enough.
https://i.ibb.co/DCXRxm1/DB2-B7201-4972-4-ED3-BA06-E30227-BFA252.jpg

[Poker Player]

The best approach is to take the vaccine. This not only protects you, but also helps to reduce transmission and so protects the as-yet-unvaccinated people as well.

That's simply not true. Vaccines do not prevent you from catching the virus or transmitting it, at least in principle it has not been demonstrated, what they do seem to do is to prevent you from developing a serious clinical picture.

So a nut  (Cnut237) on the internet knows more then someone working a lifetime long in the field

Geert Vanden Bossche, DMV, PhD, independent virologist and vaccine expert, was head of vaccine develpment in German centre of infection research. vaccine wrong weapon to fight.
https://youtu.be/ZJZxiNxYLpc

Yes well, but there are also lots doctors who think COVID vaccines are wonderful.

[Cnut237]

The best approach is to take the vaccine. This not only protects you, but also helps to reduce transmission and so protects the as-yet-unvaccinated people as well.

That's simply not true. Vaccines do not prevent you from catching the virus or transmitting it, at least in principle it has not been demonstrated, what they do seem to do is to prevent you from developing a serious clinical picture.

I'll concede that it's not yet proven, but early studies do suggest a reduction in transmission.

~

Sounds like Geert Vanden Bossche (DMV, PhD, independent virologist and vaccine "expert") knows less than most vaccine experts, which means he's not a part of the overwhelming consensus that Covid vaccines are a good idea. Healthy debate is important, but at the same time you can always find one "expert" to support any given position.

[BADecker]

The best approach is to take the vaccine. This not only protects you, but also helps to reduce transmission and so protects the as-yet-unvaccinated people as well.

That's simply not true. Vaccines do not prevent you from catching the virus or transmitting it, at least in principle it has not been demonstrated, what they do seem to do is to prevent you from developing a serious clinical picture.

I'll concede that it's not yet proven, but early studies do suggest a reduction in transmission.

~

Sounds like Geert Vanden Bossche (DMV, PhD, independent virologist and vaccine "expert") knows less than most vaccine experts, which means he's not a part of the overwhelming consensus that Covid vaccines are a good idea. Healthy debate is important, but at the same time you can always find one "expert" to support any given position.

This https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5294239.msg56518102#msg56518102 shows us that there are all kinds of contradictory thoughts and arguments about effectiveness of all of it. And such contradictions are among the whole medical group.

[Cnut237]

there are all kinds of contradictory thoughts and arguments about effectiveness of all of it.

This is true. For example, some people believe that vaccines are effective, some people believe they aren't. Some people believe the Earth is round*, some people believe it's flat. Some people believe in human-caused climate change, some people think it's a scam.

The issue is that some opinions align with the data, and others do not. Some opinions are reached based on what the data tell us. For other people, opinions are often formed without any consideration of evidence, and then selective evidence is sought to bolster the pre-determined conclusion. Approach the data with an open mind, and you'll generally head towards the truth.


*okay, an oblate spheroid, but with mountains and stuff.

[Poker Player]

there are all kinds of contradictory thoughts and arguments about effectiveness of all of it.

This is true. For example, some people believe that vaccines are effective, some people believe they aren't. Some people believe the Earth is round*, some people believe it's flat. Some people believe in human-caused climate change, some people think it's a scam.

The issue is that some opinions align with the data, and others do not. Some opinions are reached based on what the data tell us. For other people, opinions are often formed without any consideration of evidence, and then selective evidence is sought to bolster the pre-determined conclusion. Approach the data with an open mind, and you'll generally head towards the truth.


*okay, an oblate spheroid, but with mountains and stuff.

In general I agree with what you say but we must not forget that data and theories can also be presented to support false facts, especially when there is a lot of money involved.

We don't have an algorithm that allows us to decide if the presentation of data and a certain theory are true, that's why I keep a skeptical mind when there is a lot of money involved.

[BADecker]

^^^ The US recommended daily allowance for vitamin D is 600 international units - https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html. This is BS. Standard 5,000 iu caplets isn't enough for most active people. Personally I take around 50,000 a day. Give your body a break. Start checking into it with your nutrition professional.

[Cnut237]

we must not forget that data and theories can also be presented to support false facts, especially when there is a lot of money involved.

This is a good point and is definitely true, yes. Thanks - I should have qualified my statement. It can at times certainly be difficult to distinguish between impartial studies and those that are funded to produce specific desired results. Following the money, where it's obvious or visible, can help to inform our understanding of what is and what is not a reliable study.

This is a common argument I use when discussing climate change with climate-skeptics...  the big polluters and fossil-fuel lobby obviously have a vested interest in denying human-caused climate change, similar to the 'cigarettes are safe' argument pushed by the tobacco industry a few decades back.

[Poker Player]

Personally I take around 50,000 a day. Give your body a break. Start checking into it with your nutrition professional.

That what you just said is bordering on trolling. No doctor who is most favorable to the use of megadoses of vitamin D is going to tell you to take that amount just like that. If you go over 20k a day it's best to get blood work done and at 50k you have to be supervised by a doctor. I don't know which nutritionist you go to but those mega amounts are only used to treat certain diseases, as for example Dr. Coimbra does with autoimmune diseases.

[BADecker]

Personally I take around 50,000 a day. Give your body a break. Start checking into it with your nutrition professional.

That what you just said is bordering on trolling. No doctor who is most favorable to the use of megadoses of vitamin D is going to tell you to take that amount just like that. If you go over 20k a day it's best to get blood work done and at 50k you have to be supervised by a doctor. I don't know which nutritionist you go to but those mega amounts are only used to treat certain diseases, as for example Dr. Coimbra does with autoimmune diseases.

That what you just said is bordering on trolling.

I didn't say doctor. I said nutrition professional, right?... although some of them are doctors, as well, right? Many nutritional professionals suggest that probably even higher mega-doses of V-D than I take are basically harmless.

Are you going to believe doctors? Consider the American Cancer Society:

The American Cancer Society (ACS) is a nationwide voluntary health organization dedicated to eliminating cancer. Established in 1913, the society is organized into six geographical regions of both medical and lay volunteers operating in more than 250 Regional offices throughout the United States.[2] Its global headquarters is located in the American Cancer Society Center in Atlanta, Georgia. The ACS publishes the journals Cancer, CA: A Cancer Journal for Clinicians and Cancer Cytopathology.[4]

These jokers have been around for more than 100 years. Every now and again they suggest that they will have the cure in, like, a year or two. People believe them. People have hope in them. So they go under the knife, or get poisoned by chemo, burned by radiation... and die. But Dr. Max Gerson was curing cancer nutritionally right and left back in the '40s and '50s. So they kicked him out of the United States.

[Poker Player]

I didn't say doctor. I said nutrition professional, right?...

I didn't say you said doctor. I am saying that if you are taking those amounts you should be supervised by a doctor.

Many nutritional professionals suggest that probably even higher mega-doses of V-D than I take are basically harmless.

Ok. Links please. I've been reading a lot about vitamin D for years, I even take about 20k daily (average) but I haven't heard about those many nutritional professionals saying that amounts higher than 50k are harmless.

[BADecker]

I didn't say doctor. I said nutrition professional, right?...

I didn't say you said doctor. I am saying that if you are taking those amounts you should be supervised by a doctor. - And I'm saying that a general practitioner doctor shouldn't be giving anybody advice about nutrition. Why not? He/she doesn't have the training... or get him/her to show you his/her certificate of training first.

Many nutritional professionals suggest that probably even higher mega-doses of V-D than I take are basically harmless.

Ok. Links please. I've been reading a lot about vitamin D for years, I even take about 20k daily (average) but I haven't heard about those many nutritional professionals saying that amounts higher than 50k are harmless.

Look at this search - https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=vitamin+D+safety+at+high+dosages&ia=web.

One of the sites found says:

Can You Take Too Much Vitamin D?

While it is possible to take too much vitamin D, toxicity is very rare.

In fact, you would need to take extremely high doses of 50,000 IU (1,250 mcg) or more for a long period of time (35).

Go to the site and review the references. Note that the sites searched for are basically medical sites. And again, the medical isn't interested in keeping you well. They would lose your money.

[Poker Player]

-snip

Yeah, well. There is one thing we agree on, the current guidelines for how much vitamin D to take are very low, if everyone would take higher doses (or sunbathe more) they would get multiple benefits, including a strong immune system, etc.

But don't just give me a link from a search because I can give you a bunch of links that don't say that. A GP may not be the best person to give nutrition advice but this is not just about nutrition, vitamin D is not a food, it is actually a prohormone. And again I tell you that taking high doses, over 20k regularly is best supervised by a doctor especially to monitor vitamin D levels and blood calcium.

[BADecker]

-snip

Yeah, well. There is one thing we agree on, the current guidelines for how much vitamin D to take are very low, if everyone would take higher doses (or sunbathe more) they would get multiple benefits, including a strong immune system, etc.

But don't just give me a link from a search because I can give you a bunch of links that don't say that. A GP may not be the best person to give nutrition advice but this is not just about nutrition, vitamin D is not a food, it is actually a prohormone. And again I tell you that taking high doses, over 20k regularly is best supervised by a doctor especially to monitor vitamin D levels and blood calcium.

Does this mean we have to physically go to the old libraries and get the old books out and research it ourselves? We could do it, because they are opening the libraries up here and there as we speak.

[virasog]

^^^ The US recommended daily allowance for vitamin D is 600 international units - https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html. This is BS. Standard 5,000 iu caplets isn't enough for most active people. Personally I take around 50,000 a day. Give your body a break. Start checking into it with your nutrition professional.

That's the important of vitamins which improve your immunity system also. I always wonder would it not been better that just like governments made the mask mandatory while moving in public since the outcome of covid-19, it should have been much better if they would have asked people to take vitamins daily and make it compulsory too.

[Poker Player]

^^^ The US recommended daily allowance for vitamin D is 600 international units - https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html. This is BS. Standard 5,000 iu caplets isn't enough for most active people. Personally I take around 50,000 a day. Give your body a break. Start checking into it with your nutrition professional.

That's the important of vitamins which improve your immunity system also. I always wonder would it not been better that just like governments made the mask mandatory while moving in public since the outcome of covid-19, it should have been much better if they would have asked people to take vitamins daily and make it compulsory too.

Yeah, well. That is the position I have defended. That having vitamin D levels of at least 60ng/ml is going to protect you against the virus at least as well as the vaccine. And vitamin D is not an experiment, you can get those levels by sunbathing (depends on where you live). If you add some vitamin C and zinc you further strengthen the immune system. There are a lot of studies on them that I have cited in other posts, published in Pubmed and other medical journals. What happens is that Big Pharma and the doctors paid by it are not interested in this and you are not going to see it on TV.

[Vatimins]

     Although vitamin D is proven to be an important and necessary vitamin for improving our body's immune system, it doesn't mean that taking loads of this vitamin can increase your immune system limitlessly. There is always a limit to how much vitamins you can intake and every limit differs on every person regardless of type. Vitamin D helps but not the solution, just like every other vitamin that our body needs.

[virasog]

^^^ The US recommended daily allowance for vitamin D is 600 international units - https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html. This is BS. Standard 5,000 iu caplets isn't enough for most active people. Personally I take around 50,000 a day. Give your body a break. Start checking into it with your nutrition professional.

That's the important of vitamins which improve your immunity system also. I always wonder would it not been better that just like governments made the mask mandatory while moving in public since the outcome of covid-19, it should have been much better if they would have asked people to take vitamins daily and make it compulsory too.

Yeah, well. That is the position I have defended. That having vitamin D levels of at least 60ng/ml is going to protect you against the virus at least as well as the vaccine. And vitamin D is not an experiment, you can get those levels by sunbathing (depends on where you live). If you add some vitamin C and zinc you further strengthen the immune system. There are a lot of studies on them that I have cited in other posts, published in Pubmed and other medical journals. What happens is that Big Pharma and the doctors paid by it are not interested in this and you are not going to see it on TV.

For sure, if they promote this then they won't be earning big amount in form of high fees of covid-19 treatment and then profit from selling the vaccine. No one is going to tell the natural cheap treatments to keep you fit. This is not related to covid-19 but for all the virus/diseases. Doctors and Pharma have become a business rather then a social welfare for the benefit of the patients.

[Tash]

Vitamin D Is More Effective Than Flu Vaccine, Study Says
https://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=147900

[Poker Player]

Vitamin D Is More Effective Than Flu Vaccine, Study Says
https://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=147900

People who have adequate Vitamin D levels, I am talking about a minimum of 60ng/ml, report that they either do not get colds and do not catch the flu, or if they do, they get over it quickly and with few symptoms. I myself have experienced that. Regarding COVID-19 there are similar studies but they don't make Big Pharma any money,

[BADecker]

     Although vitamin D is proven to be an important and necessary vitamin for improving our body's immune system, it doesn't mean that taking loads of this vitamin can increase your immune system limitlessly. There is always a limit to how much vitamins you can intake and every limit differs on every person regardless of type. Vitamin D helps but not the solution, just like every other vitamin that our body needs.

There's a limit as to how much water a person can drink before he drowns himself. People simply don't drink enough water, or take enough vitamin D.

[DoctorMark]

This is one thing I did at the start of the pandemic, especially as I came from night work, I bought a bottle of max strength Vit D (5000IU) and I take one everyday with my eggs in the morning.

[Poker Player]

This is one thing I did at the start of the pandemic, especially as I came from night work, I bought a bottle of max strength Vit D (5000IU) and I take one everyday with my eggs in the morning.

5K is not bad. Ideally you should had your blood tested but with 5k daily is not so necesarry. Try to take some sun if you can, short exposures with no sunscreen and with large amounts of your body exposed. The combination will surely give you decent levels and an strengthened immune system.

[BADecker]

This is one thing I did at the start of the pandemic, especially as I came from night work, I bought a bottle of max strength Vit D (5000IU) and I take one everyday with my eggs in the morning.

5K is not bad. Ideally you should had your blood tested but with 5k daily is not so necesarry. Try to take some sun if you can, short exposures with no sunscreen and with large amounts of your body exposed. The combination will surely give you decent levels and an strengthened immune system.

Being a Poker Player, you have learned to not take any more risks than necessary, right?

[DoctorMark]

This is one thing I did at the start of the pandemic, especially as I came from night work, I bought a bottle of max strength Vit D (5000IU) and I take one everyday with my eggs in the morning.

5K is not bad. Ideally you should had your blood tested but with 5k daily is not so necesarry. Try to take some sun if you can, short exposures with no sunscreen and with large amounts of your body exposed. The combination will surely give you decent levels and an strengthened immune system.

Being a Poker Player, you have learned to not take any more risks than necessary, right?

Yeah I used to work in poker, never saw any sunlight, i'm a big guy too so just take 5k. I was looking at the reaserach and listening a lot to what Dr Rhonda Patrick had to say and 5k is generally well tolerated. It's quite hard to get blood tests currently so just commited to a high dose but not so high that I would get side effects.

[BADecker]

If you are scared of negative effects from taking 50,000 units of vitamin-D, flesh it out a bit by taking more than a gram each of fish oil and flax seed oil, along with the vitamin D. However, people are all different. So test.

[DoctorMark]

If you are scared of negative effects from taking 50,000 units of vitamin-D, flesh it out a bit by taking more than a gram each of fish oil and flax seed oil, along with the vitamin D. However, people are all different. So test.

I've known doctors admisister 50k sometimes, as a one of dose. Im only on 5ks

[Tash]

Vitamin D Insufficiency May Account for Almost Nine of Ten COVID-19 Deaths: Time to Act.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33260798/

Soda lowers Vitamin D and chances of dying from COVID increases.
https://noagendaassets.com/enc/1615752122.272_vitamind3presnetationhfcs.mp3

[DoctorMark]

Vitamin D Insufficiency May Account for Almost Nine of Ten COVID-19 Deaths: Time to Act.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33260798/

Soda lowers Vitamin D and chances of dying from COVID increases.
https://noagendaassets.com/enc/1615752122.272_vitamind3presnetationhfcs.mp3

Thanks for these sources, wish I had some merit to give you.

This is stuff everybody needs to read, I'm sure 9/10 is an exeggeration.

But it's definitely a high number.

Although as I'm thinking and typing I can only imagine a lot of old people have Vit D difficiency due to absorbtion and also spending a lot of time in the house. I made my nan take some at the start of the pandemic, thankfully she's vaccinated now but I like to think I helped her!

[Poker Player]

The thing about vitamin D is that it is not just for COVID-19 protection. The best known function is to bring calcium to the bones, but there is another much more important and not so well known function which is to strengthen the immune system. With this, people who have optimal vitamin D levels tend to suffer less from many types of diseases, and if they do suffer from them, they do so with fewer symptoms. A global overview of this can be seen on https://vitamindwiki.com/VitaminDWiki

[BADecker]

About time somebody wakes up to the fact that God is protecting us through the info He laid down in the Bible.


Biblical Law and Modern Medicine or Modern Medicine as Witchcraft

George Bernard Shaw joined in the public opposition to vaccination against smallpox, calling it “a peculiarly filthy piece of witchcraft”. What he was opposing was the germ theory of disease which was a transformation from the ancient idea that disease was caused by an evil spirit now transformed into a virus or germ.

Understand that we have been brainwashed for decades by a well funded pharma industry at all levels.  It all sounds true.

What is worse, doctors are primed and even paid to trust them and use what are often as not pure garbage.  Few are scientists.

The take home here is that food quality does matter and can reverse even cancer.  So why are we not applying this knowledge.

...

Dr. Max Gerson and Dr. Albert Schweitzer went over Schweitzer’s findings that when he opened up his hospital in French Equatorial Africa in 1913 there was not one cancer patient in 17 years until European processed foods with their inorganic ingredients starting with inorganic fertilizer, etc. had ruined the African diet and the cancer rate rose to European levels.