DT2 and DT1

[Sujoris]

Can someone explain to me how the DT2 works?
I do not want to get on that list or anything I just need to know whom I can put in my trust settings, I don't necessarily like some of the dt1 members but I trust some dt2 ones more than anyone else on this forum.

I have not played around with my trust settings before but I am about to conduct some business on this forum and I think this would be a good time for me to start actively using this trust system.

I am guessing Depth 0 is for myself and default trust only



But who are these people in the default trust? Dt1 people? or both dt1 and dt2?

Under Depth 1

some of these names are stricken out.



Why? how does one get their names struck out? or how to prevent it from getting struck?


Depth 2

Same question as for this depth, why strike out? how and how not to?



One more thing, what are those numbers in the brackets? What does it mean? High good? or low good?

[ranochigo]

Can someone explain to me how the DT2 works?

You're included in DT2 if someone from DT1 puts you in their trust list.

I am guessing Depth 0 is for myself and default trust only

Depth 0 also includes the people that you trust or distrust. You can put a ~ beside their name if you choose not to trust them, for example ~ranochigo. Depending on your depth, if you put some users into your trust list, the people whom they trust could also appear under the trusted feedback.

But who are these people in the default trust? Dt1 people? or both dt1 and dt2?

DT1.

some of these names are stricken out.

Why? how does one get their names struck out? or how to prevent it from getting struck?

One more thing, what are those numbers in the brackets? What does it mean? High good? or low good?

If they're struck out, that means that their DT peers has chosen not to trust them and decided to exclude them from their trust list. The number indicates their DT strength.

Here's a better and more comprehensive explanation: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5072734.0. More usefull guides are colllated in the thread here.: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4928968.0.

[YOSHIE]

One more thing, what are those numbers in the brackets? What does it mean? High good? or low good?

After you read all this: The most trusted members (DT1, DT2, DT3), you will understand all the signs that make you curious (-) (0) + ways and so on.

So, that topic will lead you to bright spots about the DT-1, DT-2 and DT-3.

Where you do not understand about DT, with the description in the topic, you will know everything.

[o_e_l_e_o]

I just need to know whom I can put in my trust settings, I don't necessarily like some of the dt1 members but I trust some dt2 ones more than anyone else on this forum.

You can include anyone you like on your own personal trust list, and similarly, you can exclude anyone you like.

Default trust is, as the name suggests, the default setting. As soon as you create your own personal trust list, even if it is just a single name, then you will stop using default trust (although if you like, you can manually add DefaultTrust to your own list to continue to use it in addition to the names you add yourself. If you largely like DefaultTrust, but simply disagree with a few users, then you can add DefaultTrust and exclude the users you do not agree with.)

I have not played around with my trust settings before but I am about to conduct some business on this forum and I think this would be a good time for me to start actively using this trust system.

Please be aware of the difference between your trust list and trust feedback. You should add people to your trust list because you trust their judgement of others, and not simply because you have made some trades with them. If someone was trustworthy in a trade, then leave them trust feedback instead.

Have a read of Loyce's thread here: LoyceV's Beginners guide to correct use of the Trust system

[Csmiami]

But who are these people in the default trust? Dt1 people? or both dt1 and dt2?

DT1.

Really? I've always been under the impression that DT2 was also included there; as adding the ;dt to whatever link you were in did also include feedback left by DT2 members

[ranochigo]

Really? I've always been under the impression that DT2 was also included there; as adding the ;dt to whatever link you were in did also include feedback left by DT2 members

The depth system says otherwise. The DT members are the only ones selected by the voting. If you were to put ;dt, it simply displays the DefaultTrust up to the depth of 2, as per the default.

If you were to consider only those in the DefaultTrust only, you can only consider DT1. DT2 only exist because you put your trust list depth at 2.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

You can put a ~ beside their name if you choose not to trust them, for example ~ranochigo.

And just to add to the complexity and controversy, if you ~ someone, it's generally agreed that you don't trust that member's feedback on other members--not necessarily that you wouldn't trust that member in a trade.  If the latter is the case, giving that member a negative would be more appropriate (especially if you're doing it to keep track of personally who to trust and who not to).

Really? I've always been under the impression that DT2 was also included there; as adding the ;dt to whatever link you were in did also include feedback left by DT2 members

And here's another example of the massive confusion around the DT system.  I've been around the forum for about six years and I wasn't aware of what ranochigo wrote.  DT2 members still have a lot of pull on the forum, since getting a neg from one of them will give you some red on your trust score (depending on how you've customized your trust list). 

OP, I've given up caring about the DT system since the rotation system started.  It used to mean something huge if you were even a DT2 member.  Now it's nothing special, really.

[Vod]

OP, I've given up caring about the DT system since the rotation system started.  It used to mean something huge if you were even a DT2 member.  Now it's nothing special, really.

Theymos has never made the lottery provably fair, so it is possible he can manipulate it - it's still centralized, just more randomized.  In this scenario he would be trying different setups and analyzing effects, to eventually replace the randomness with more stability.  Otherwise, what's the point?

Opposite to your quoted post, I've actually started caring more about my trust list recently.  I realized I was ignoring the good to focus on the bad; the best way to kill the plague is to support the cats and let them kill the rats.

[Small Rabbit]

Can someone explain to me how the DT2 works?

There are two ranks for DT, DT1 and DT2. Any positive feedback from DT1 can give you positive green, and also you become DT2 automatically.The way how a user can be automatically DT2 is because he is put on the trust list of DT1 But the positive feedback from DT2 can make your trust become green only.

You can check Who got DT2 power from whom.And who is in DT1 and DT2 Easily. Visit This link for check who is  DT1 & DT2 Members  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;full

[Upgrade00]

Any positive feedback from DT1 can give you positive green, and also you become DT2 automatically.

Afaik this is incorrect. Getting positive feedback from a DT1 member does not automatically put a user on DT2, only being included into their trust list does that.
Trusting someone's judgement is much different from trusting them in a trade and should not mixed up as it would affect how users give trust feedbacks.

[josephdd1]

Weird how this thread made it to rank 1 on Google search despite me having no history with the OP or this post. This is a nice thread that served as a reminder to myself as I keep forgetting how any of this trust mumbo jumbo works. Thanks. +merited.

[Vod]

I have not played around with my trust settings before but I am about to conduct some business on this forum and I think this would be a good time for me to start actively using this trust system.

Your business is spamming a ponzi.   "Estimating" you'll turn $650 into $793 in nine months?   We need more crypto interest - not more turned off investors.

[Jet Cash]

OP, I've given up caring about the DT system since the rotation system started.  It used to mean something huge if you were even a DT2 member.  Now it's nothing special, really.

I used to think that DT meant delerium tremens, and since the new complex and random trust system has been implemented, I suspect this may still be true.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Weird how this thread made it to rank 1 on Google search despite me having no history with the OP or this post. This is a nice thread that served as a reminder to myself as I keep forgetting how any of this trust mumbo jumbo works. Thanks. +merited.

It made it to #1 on Google?  What do you mean by that?  What were you searching for?  By the way, I haven't seen you around in a very long time, probably a couple of years at least when we had that beef over some feedback I left you.

I used to think that DT meant delerium tremens, and since the new complex and random trust system has been implemented, I suspect this may still be true.

Ditto to you, Jet Cash!  I was wondering where you'd gone off to.  And yeah, lately the DT system has been a little bit delirious--more so than usual I mean.  Nothing's been the same since Theymos implemented the rotating system.  A lot of the older, more established members have managed to stay on DT more or less, but there have been tons of new faces (at least on DT2) and I'm not sure many of them deserve to be on any level of DT.

[Vod]

Ditto to you, Jet Cash!  I was wondering where you'd gone off to.  And yeah, lately the DT system has been a little bit delirious--more so than usual I mean.  Nothing's been the same since Theymos implemented the rotating system.  A lotOne of the older, more established members have managed to stay on DT more or less, but there have been tons of new faces (at least on DT2) and I'm not sure many of them deserve to be on any level of DT.

FTFY.    As promised, less than two weeks away from closure and the delirium will go away.

I've missed you as well JC!  I'm still interested in your running an English education forum and providing me with Grade 3/6/9 test questions - you would be cheaper than my planned service!

Actually, I may be wrong.  I am the longest running DT member, but have any others never left once they joined?

[DireWolfM14]

But who are these people in the default trust? Dt1 people? or both dt1 and dt2?

The members are randomly selected every month.  The eligible members consist those who meet certain criteria explained here:

I will periodically (maybe every month) be reconstructing the default trust list to include everyone who matches these criteria:
 - If rank was determined solely using earned merit, then you must be of at least Member rank.
 - You must have been online sometime within the last 3 days.
 - Your trust list must include at least 10 users, not including ~distrust entries.
 - You must not be banned or manually blacklisted from selection.
 - You must have posted sometime within the last 30 days.
 - You must have at least 10 people directly trusting you each with an earned merit of at least 10, not including merit you yourself sent. These "votes" are limited.
 - You must have at least 2 people directly trusting you with an earned merit of at least 250, not including merit you yourself sent. These "votes" are limited.

The administrator of the forum publishes the list of members selected to DT1 at the beginning of every month.  As you can see in the link, there are 151 members who qualified to be on DT1, of which only 100 are chosen.

DT2 members are then, in turn selected by those who are on DT1.  Any member can be selected to DT2, it only takes one DT1 member to include them their custom trust list, unless that DT1 member has been excluded by more DT1 members than those including him.  Those on DT2 can select members as well, and they're reviews will appear as trusted feedback as well.  If you've left all your defaults set, that's how it appear from your perspective. 

On your trust settings page you can change the depth to 1, which will mean you'll only see DT1 and DT2 reviews as trusted.  If you set up a custom trust list, only ratings from those in your trust list, and the members they've included will appear as trusted review. 


 

[o_e_l_e_o]

Those on DT2 can select members as well, and they're reviews will appear as trusted feedback as well.  If you've left all your defaults set, that's how it appear from your perspective.

That's not accurate. Only feedback from DT1 and DT2 members show up as "trusted" by default. The users who are added to the trust lists of DT2 members effectively become DT3, and their feedback would only show up if you set your trust list depth to 3. The entity "Default Trust" is entered at level 0, DT1s are level 1, and DT2s are level 2, so with a depth of 2 you see 2 levels of trust.

Note this is different than if you have a custom trust list. If you have a custom trust list, then anyone you add to it becomes level 0, their trust lists becomes your level 1, and your level 1s' trust lists become your level 2. So with a depth of 2 you do in fact see 3 levels of trust.

On your trust settings page you can change the depth to 1, which will mean you'll only see DT1 and DT2 reviews as trusted.

As above. If using default trust then you need a depth of 2 to see DT1 and DT2. If using a custom trust list then a depth of 1 would achieve the same thing.