Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction

[malevolent]

According to my back of the envelope computations:

Code:

figmentofmyass	3.693
exstasie	3.857
squatter	2.01

For a total of 9.56 BTC.
I don't care if it is too much of too low if those btcs came from exchange hacks or not.
This is money they stole from other people who didn't get into the campaign simply because they broke the rules.

It's a form of fraud at worst since he knowingly broke the campaign rules he agreed to abide by when signing up. But he kept getting paid for so long without getting banned from the forum or booted from the campaign that it's hard to deny that ChipMixer was getting their money's worth. It's obvious why there's a weekly limit of 50 posts - to maintain some level of post quality and to limit campaign spending. He never got paid for more than 50 post per week per account, and it's not like any of his accounts were 'ghost employees' no one knew of.

And it sounds even more ludicrous to claim other uninvolved third parties were somehow 'victimized' because of FomA 'hogging' campaign slots when it's an affair entirely between ChipMixer represented by DarkStar_ and whoever he accepts.

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[suchmoon]

And it sounds even more ludicrous to claim other uninvolved third parties were somehow 'victimized' because of FomA 'hogging' campaign slots when it's an affair entirely between ChipMixer represented by DarkStar_ and whoever he accepts.

That's a bit like calling Lance Armstrong's competitors "uninvolved third parties" . If DarkStar_ knew that they were alts he wouldn't have accepted them so deception resulted in someone losing out.

If I created a thread giving $100 to first 10 users who reply, and stipulated that no alts are allowed, someone cheating with 3 accounts would be essentially stealing from users who reply #11 and #12. This FOMA situation is not much different.

[Quickseller]

To say it was his only source of income and he needed the money, so he can cheat and the rest of the forum must be understanding is dangerous. There are people in Brazil who tries to justify robbery with the same argument.

Are you really comparing using alts to go around campaign rules to a violent crime?

It is this kind of argument that makes the argument in favor of saying figmentofmyass was wrong to lose credibility.

figmentofmyass lied about his alts when he enrolled his alts in the CM campaign, and that is wrong. He did not steal money from anyone, and he certainly did not commit violence against anyone. He provided a service, and received payment for said service.

Instead of making extremist viewpoints, anyone who is upset about figmentofmyass should be honest about what he did, and the extent as to how much damage he caused.

[owlcatz]

It is this kind of argument that makes the argument in favor of saying figmentofmyass was wrong to lose credibility.

figmentofmyass lied about his alts when he enrolled his alts in the CM campaign, and that is wrong. He did not steal money from anyone, and he certainly did not commit violence against anyone. He provided a service, and received payment for said service.

Instead of making extremist viewpoints, anyone who is upset about figmentofmyass should be honest about what he did, and the extent as to how much damage he caused.

LOL - This is pretty ironic coming from someone who is using an alt in another sig campaign, but whatever...

This guy made over a quarter million USD in BTC. Did anybody trace when it got spent, or is it just sitting etc? Like someone mentioned earlier, I just assumed people were all over that spreadsheet checking shit.

[JollyGood]

That is just the amount of known BTC he made from the Chipmixer campaign but what about the all the other known and other unknown/undiscoverd accounts that were used in other signature campaigns? The true extent of his manipulation may never be known though connected accounts might be discovered from time to time.

According to my back of the envelope computations:

Code:

figmentofmyass	3.693
exstasie	3.857
squatter	2.01

For a total of 9.56 BTC.
I don't care if it is too much of too low if those btcs came from exchange hacks or not.
This is money they stole from other people who didn't get into the campaign simply because they broke the rules.

[amishmanish]

Against hop hopen, I hope he comes back and uses this anonymity to come clean with the story of how he feels about doing this  and shares his thought process about the "ethics" of it all.

I doubt whatever he says will change anything so it's probably futile offering explanations or excuses.

My "hope" is basically to get a peek into the minds of this fraudster and not really about him asking for an apology. He is anonymous. He could easily write a short memoir and it'll be a hit.

Would it matter to most if he really needed the money or it was his only source of income? Doubt it.

Yeah it wouldn't and it shouldn't. Third worlder newbie accounts have been negged and shamed for much less. The forum is filled with lots of stories and the pure disdain shown by the elite lot including CM participants equivocating on this. I cannot check all his post history but i guess "Ass" and his alts never engaged in the shaming as they were doing the same.

Only admins have access to IPs and having multiple accounts isn't against the rules nor would they care about what campaigns they were on so it's not something they would look into and certainly wouldn't share that info.

Okay so they do not have the capability to investigate. Got it.

--snip--
And it sounds even more ludicrous to claim other uninvolved third parties were somehow 'victimized' because of FomA 'hogging' campaign slots when it's an affair entirely between ChipMixer represented by DarkStar_ and whoever he accepts.

It doesn't sound ludicrous at all. Ass broke campaign rules to hog the spots which could as well have gone to someone else. Considering that 100+ applicants apply for the spots and only 1-2 get in, it is unfair to those who could have been selected.

Then there is the whole issue of decency and conduct. As Staff, it is understood that you cannot make enforceable "rules" about conduct and cannot define decency.  This is subjective but its importance shouldn't be diluted, least of all by staff; by refusing to take a stand on the ethical debate over such actions.

Those talking about CM campaign getting its moneys worth, well, you will find multiple comments on the forum about how CM members are some of the best members of the forum. All of that is up in the air now. Who knows, there could be more of such things within the forum. Maybe there actually is this kind of nexus between a select few and the forum/ campaign has been milked by them while at the same time proselytizing about "Spam" and "ICO scams".

That is just the amount of known BTC he made from the Chipmixer campaign but what about the all the other known and other unknown/undiscoverd accounts that were used in other signature campaigns? The true extent of his manipulation may never be known though connected accounts might be discovered from time to time.

Ass may well be reading and smiling right now. I think the lesson to be drawn from this is that decentralized and anonymous systems will never really be able to implement even a semblance of fair business practices. There will always be the need for a way to track participant actions that affect the business. While this forum and bitcoiners proselytize about the benefits of "decentralization", they accept wrongdoing, fraud and plain corruption as "sleight of hand". We all accept this "He did it because he could, lets forget about it" mentality over such things. This is one of the biggest hurdles for the concept of decentralization to truly become useful. Because if you are going to be vulnerable to the same scheming and collusion, why really bother to change the present system. Lets just keep morals, ethics aside and everybody go mooooooon.

[YOSHIE]

I'm a little curious about the discovery of Alt's account that was involved cheating in the CM campaign.

The first Alt named:@exstasie was found by: @Timelord2067 via a Btc transaction and was found by:@nutildah, currently.

What made me curious, they never came here and gave the reason for the case found by: @nutildah, belief, they were indeed Alt who was involved in cheating.

Question:
1. Do they really have 100 Alt accounts on this forum, no matter what this incident happened.
2. Did they watch what was said in this topic.

My question arose when I saw the first discovery made by:@Timelord2067.
I see the red trust given by:@Timelord2067 there is an Alt named: @Wipeout2097.


Trust: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=154539


And I saw:@Wipeout2097 connected and using Eth Twitter, telegram, the same the three of them.
I am curious that they are active right now, if, @Wipeout2097 and @exstasie are Alt, that means: they are watching and seeing all this happening.
My belief is of course: @exstasie there is another Alt account that can be played here, if at any time he can make the same thing again in this forum in the campaign.

For example a connected Alt:

1. Wipeout2097
2. angrynerd88
3. mega

Addresses used by: @Wipeout2097 and @angrynerd88 are the same.

Proof:

#PROOF OF REGISTRATION
Forum Username: Wipeout2097
Forum Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=140481
Telegram Username: @MillionaireMindsetter
Participated Campaigns:Signature
ETH Wallet Address: 0xFAd4097dcFd2784206953542bd5Cc5c4663c6AB0

https://archive.is/wip/BKxqW

Post by: angrynerd88

#PROOF OF AUTHENTICATION
Nama Pengguna
Forum : angrynerd88 Link Profil Forum: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=215377
Jumlah Posting: 1137
Peringkat Forum: Sr.
Tanda Tangan Anggota dan avatar ditambahkan: Ya
ERC-20 Dompet: 0xFAd4097dcFd2784206953542bd5Cc5c4663c6AB0

https://archive.is/wip/6BaTL

Proof:

Telegram and Twitter used by: @mega and @angrynerd88 and @Wipeout2097 are the same.

Proof of authentication
Bitcointalk Username:mega
Telegram Username:@MillionaireMindsetter
Twitter Username:@SHOAIBNAZEERR
Retweet Link:https://twitter.com/ethaget/status/1182980077849440257

https://archive.is/wip/KHhFc

Proof of authentication
- Campaigns applied for:signature
- Bitcointalk username:angrynerd88
- Bitcointalk link:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=215377;sa=showPosts
- Telegram link:@MillionaireMindsetter
- Facebook link:https://web.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100010431162950
- Twitter link:https://twitter.com/SHOAIBNAZEERR
- Instagram link:https://www.instagram.com/shoaibnazeermahar/
- Emirex ID:UID : ID5E0385D515

https://archive.is/wip/4OzWJ

What do you guys think about this matter.

Do they have, one warehouse, Alt account on this forum.

[Quickseller]

Question:
1. Do they really have 100 Alt accounts on this forum, no matter what this incident happened.

Here is what I believe:
Seller "A" has a farm of accounts, and he makes mistakes so his accounts are connected.
Account seller/farmer "B" has a farm of accounts, and he makes mistakes so all his accounts are connected.
Buyer/spammer "C" buys one account from both "A" and "B" and he makes mistakes so both of his accounts are connected.
It now appears as if one person owns all of "A"'s and "B"'s accounts, but this is not actually true.

In order to confirm if two accounts are controlled by the same person, you need to rule out that any of the accounts had changed hands after the date of the connection.

[nutildah]

And I saw:@Wipeout2097 connected and using Eth Twitter, telegram, the same the three of them.
I am curious that they are active right now, if, @Wipeout2097 and @exstasie are Alt, that means: they are watching and seeing all this happening.
My belief is of course: @exstasie there is another Alt account that can be played here, if at any time he can make the same thing again in this forum in the campaign.

Wipeout2097 was sold/hacked in May 2017, there's a huge posting gap between 2014 and 2017 for this user, and they come back knowing next to nothing about bitcoin. But I don't see the actual connection between Wipeout2097 and exstasie.

In order to confirm if two accounts are controlled by the same person, you need to rule out that any of the accounts had changed hands after the date of the connection.

Doesn't matter. If one account can be connected to another through social media links, or even better the blockchain, they are for the purposes of this forum the same person. If you buy an account and it gets banned for plagiarism you didn't commit, the account should stay banned. Same goes for any type of scammer tags -- they should be copied to all connected accounts.

Most of the time its just bounty hunters who need multiple accounts, but sometimes people need them to rebroadcast shitty opinions by echoing them across two accounts in the same thread.

[LoyceV]

One week of Trust list changes:

Trust list for: figmentofmyass (Trust: +0 / =0 / -8) (979 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

figmentofmyass's judgement is Trusted by:
1. TECSHARE (Trust: +38 / =7 / -2) (940 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. peloso (Trust: +2 / =3 / -5) (179 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. viviansidney (Trust: neutral) (43 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. Removed Royse777 (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (1235 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. Removed johhnyUA (Trust: +0 / =1 / -3) (DT1 (-2) 879 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. Removed Vispilio (Trust: +1 / =3 / -3) (1047 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. hacker1001101001 (Trust: #  +3 / =3 / -4) (309 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
5. xenon131 (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (687 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
6. Removed Steamtyme (Trust: +10 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (3) 1823 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
6. truth or dare (Trust: +0 / =4 / -4) (15 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

~figmentofmyass's judgement is Distrusted by:
1. NEW malevolent (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (508 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. Vod (Trust: +32 / =1 / -1) (DT1! (16) 1875 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. ibminer (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (919 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. Lauda (Trust: +38 / =17 / -6) (1871 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
5. Timelord2067 (Trust: +9 / =7 / -1) (DT1 (-9) 574 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
6. mindrust (Trust: neutral) (DT1 (-1) 1121 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
7. NEW NeuroticFish (Trust: neutral) (920 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
8. NEW DaveF (Trust: +26 / =1 / -0) (1193 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
9. nutildah (Trust: +13 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (16) 3322 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
10. NEW ranochigo (Trust: +10 / =0 / -0) (858 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
11. NEW yahoo62278 (Trust: +25 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (24) 1577 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
12. NEW Royse777 (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (1235 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
13. Vadi2323 (Trust: +1 / =3 / -1) (173 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
14. kken01 (Trust: neutral) (9 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
15. NEW DarkStar_ (Trust: +54 / =1 / -0) (1520 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
16. NEW TryNinja (Trust: neutral) (DT1! (6) 2621 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
17. marlboroza (Trust: +15 / =0 / -0) (1746 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
18. NEW crwth (Trust: +6 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (6) 706 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
19. nullius (Trust: +5 / =4 / -1) (DT1 (-6) 2131 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
20. JollyGood (Trust: +11 / =0 / -0) (825 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
21. NEW El duderino_ (Trust: +23 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (10) 4735 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
22. NEW amishmanish (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (668 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
23. NEW icopress (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (515 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
24. NEW rhomelmabini (Trust: neutral) (432 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
25. NEW Maus0728 (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 917 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
26. NEW TheBeardedBaby (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (10) 2373 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
27. dkbit98 (Trust: +12 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (8) 1485 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
28. NEW bitmover (Trust: neutral) (2231 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
29. NEW fillippone (Trust: +10 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (16) 4921 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
30. TalkStar (Trust: +12 / =0 / -0) (691 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
31. efialtis (Trust: +16 / =1 / -0) (1167 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
32. NEW zasad@ (Trust: +3 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (8) 2144 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
33. NEW Rikafip (Trust: +7 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (8) 1772 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
34. NEW FatFork (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (312 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Trust list for: exstasie (Trust: +0 / =0 / -6) (1006 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

exstasie's judgement is Trusted by:
1. El duderino_ (Trust: +23 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (10) 4735 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. dragonvslinux (Trust: +2 / =1 / -2) (560 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

~exstasie's judgement is Distrusted by:
1. Timelord2067 (Trust: +9 / =7 / -1) (DT1 (-9) 574 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. NEW NeuroticFish (Trust: neutral) (920 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. NEW DaveF (Trust: +26 / =1 / -0) (1193 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. nutildah (Trust: +13 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (16) 3322 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
5. NEW ranochigo (Trust: +10 / =0 / -0) (858 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
6. NEW yahoo62278 (Trust: +25 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (24) 1577 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
7. NEW Royse777 (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (1235 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
8. NEW DarkStar_ (Trust: +54 / =1 / -0) (1520 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
9. NEW TryNinja (Trust: neutral) (DT1! (6) 2621 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
10. marlboroza (Trust: +15 / =0 / -0) (1746 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
11. NEW crwth (Trust: +6 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (6) 706 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
12. NEW JollyGood (Trust: +11 / =0 / -0) (825 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
13. NEW amishmanish (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (668 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
14. NEW icopress (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (515 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
15. NEW rhomelmabini (Trust: neutral) (432 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
16. NEW Maus0728 (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 917 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
17. NEW TheBeardedBaby (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (10) 2373 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
18. NEW dkbit98 (Trust: +12 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (8) 1485 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
19. NEW bitmover (Trust: neutral) (2231 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
20. NEW fillippone (Trust: +10 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (16) 4921 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
21. NEW zasad@ (Trust: +3 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (8) 2144 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
22. NEW Rikafip (Trust: +7 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (8) 1772 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Trust list for: squatter (Trust: +0 / =0 / -5) (683 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

squatter's judgement is Trusted by:
1. bamb (Trust: +0 / =0 / -2) (1 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. endlasuresh (Trust: +0 / =0 / -3) (3 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. Bazinga442 (Trust: +0 / =0 / -7) (24 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. chickinini (Trust: +0 / =0 / -3) (11 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
5. cryptorgasm (Trust: +0 / =0 / -3) (4 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
6. Pablojob (Trust: +0 / =0 / -4) (10 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
7. PiningGarcia (Trust: +0 / =0 / -4) (10 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
8. PingGermoco (Trust: +0 / =0 / -4) (10 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
9. cryptopov (Trust: +0 / =0 / -3) (4 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
10. poypototoy (Trust: +0 / =0 / -3) (10 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
11. Zin-Zang (Trust: +0 / =1 / -7) (11 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
12. H8bussesNbicycles (Trust: +0 / =1 / -11) (10 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
13. ito-marketing (Trust: +0 / =0 / -3) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
14. gwsukabokepjepang (Trust: +0 / =0 / -10) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
15. The-One-Above-All (Trust: #  +0 / =0 / -16) (56 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
16. smartcontracts100 (Trust: +0 / =1 / -5) (5 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

~squatter's judgement is Distrusted by:
1. KWH (Trust: +10 / =2 / -0) (45 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. NEW NeuroticFish (Trust: neutral) (920 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. NEW DaveF (Trust: +26 / =1 / -0) (1193 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. nutildah (Trust: +13 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (16) 3322 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
5. NEW ranochigo (Trust: +10 / =0 / -0) (858 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
6. NEW yahoo62278 (Trust: +25 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (24) 1577 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
7. NEW Royse777 (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (1235 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
8. NEW DarkStar_ (Trust: +54 / =1 / -0) (1520 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
9. NEW TryNinja (Trust: neutral) (DT1! (6) 2621 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
10. marlboroza (Trust: +15 / =0 / -0) (1746 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
11. NEW crwth (Trust: +6 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (6) 706 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
12. NEW JollyGood (Trust: +11 / =0 / -0) (825 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
13. NEW El duderino_ (Trust: +23 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (10) 4735 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
14. NEW amishmanish (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (668 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
15. NEW icopress (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (515 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
16. NEW rhomelmabini (Trust: neutral) (432 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
17. NEW Maus0728 (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 917 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
18. NEW TheBeardedBaby (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (10) 2373 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
19. NEW dkbit98 (Trust: +12 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (8) 1485 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
20. NEW bitmover (Trust: neutral) (2231 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
21. NEW fillippone (Trust: +10 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (16) 4921 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
22. NEW zasad@ (Trust: +3 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (8) 2144 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
23. NEW Rikafip (Trust: +7 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (8) 1772 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer.
Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust.

I think @El duderino_ forgot he's still including exstasie.

[nutildah]

One week of Trust list changes:

Speaking of trust list changes, did you ever notice this fun little tidbit?

Trust list for: marlboroza (Trust: +14 / =0 / -0) (created 2020-02-29_Sat_06.37h)
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marlboroza Trusts these users' judgement:
-

marlboroza Distrusts these users' judgement:
1. NEW ~figmentofmyass (Trust: neutral) (653 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. NEW ~exstasie (Trust: neutral) (500 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. NEW ~squatter (Trust: neutral) (593 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Usually that kind of thing doesn't get by you. Maybe you saw it and didn't think much of it.

[LoyceV]

Maybe you saw it and didn't think much of it.

I've seen it when marlboroza created a new Trust list, but indeed, I didn't think much of it. If marlboroza suspected them to be alts, why didn't he mention it? The week before these exclusions they had some interaction in The Objective Standards Guild - Testimonium Libertatem Iustitia.
In the same week squatter wiped his Trust list, including this one:

Trust list for: figmentofmyass (Trust: neutral) (653 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2020-02-29_Sat_06.37h)

figmentofmyass's judgement is Trusted by:
3. Removed squatter (Trust: neutral) (593 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

He had included his own alt the previous week:

Trust list for: squatter (Trust: neutral) (560 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2020-02-22_Sat_06.05h)

squatter Trusts these users' judgement:
10. NEW figmentofmyass (Trust: neutral) (643 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

[mikeywith]

I won't lie but i loved conversations with exstasie/figmentofmyass/squatter. They were extremely useful and helpful users of bitcointalk.

Do you know what's even more ironic? I have always liked exstasie but I didn't really enjoy reading figmentofmyass's posts, it's "incredible" how one person may seem like a few, he indeed did a better job than "Kevin in the movie Split".

[marlboroza]

The week before these exclusions they had some interaction in The Objective Standards Guild - Testimonium Libertatem Iustitia.

Actually, my first interaction with foma happened in 2018., seems he was pissed at me for unknown reason. Maybe I exposed and tagged some of his alts back then? Makes me wonder... Also, don't forget to read foma's replies in PM7 topic

If marlboroza suspected them to be alts, why didn't he mention it?

It wasn't on me to mention it, besides, there wasn't solid proof of connection.
@Nutildah you did great investigatory work, tags are on the way. Merits soon.

[JollyGood]

I read some of the replies in that thread, looking back now it seems he had ulterior motives. Alt accounts need to create misdirection in order to divert attention away from anything that might fall on themselves and their alt accounts but many of them do eventually fall in to the trap of over confidence and get caught out from time to time.

~snip~

Actually, my first interaction with foma happened in 2018., seems he was pissed at me for unknown reason. Maybe I exposed and tagged some of his alts back then? Makes me wonder... Also, don't forget to read foma's replies in PM7 topic

[suchmoon]

If marlboroza suspected them to be alts, why didn't he mention it?

What would you have expected him do?

[LoyceV]

What would you have expected him do?

I'm not sure.

[suchmoon]

What would you have expected him do?

I'm not sure.

Well, let me help you to narrow down the list of options

Create a thread? See PN7 thread by nutildah where he raised reasonable suspicions, got trolled for it.
Add a neutral rating? See PN7 thread by nutildah where my neutral on PN7 (without even mentioning the suspects name) turned out to be a problem for some... uhm... people.
Tell someone via PM? See PN7 thread by nutildah where such information sharing was attempted to be made into some sort of a conspiracy.

So we can rule those options out as being ineffective and perhaps counterproductive when you're dealing with an account farmer who can attack with numerous alts and have other farmers jump in on the fun.

[malevolent]

That's a bit like calling Lance Armstrong's competitors "uninvolved third parties" . If DarkStar_ knew that they were alts he wouldn't have accepted them so deception resulted in someone losing out.

If I created a thread giving $100 to first 10 users who reply, and stipulated that no alts are allowed, someone cheating with 3 accounts would be essentially stealing from users who reply #11 and #12. This FOMA situation is not much different.

It's easy to name Armstrong's competitors as the parties who have been wronged. But it would only be comparable if FomA's deception led to other campaign participants losing money.

If I created a thread giving $100 to first 10 users who reply, and stipulated that no alts are allowed, someone cheating with 3 accounts would be essentially stealing from users who reply #11 and #12. This FOMA situation is not much different.

Getting accepted into a campaign is not akin to winning a no-fee raffle but conditional on being the most suitable forum member DarkStar_ is looking for. Other people applied, and yet FomA's alts were chosen over them, clearly indicating who was a better fit for the campaign.

My "hope" is basically to get a peek into the minds of this fraudster and not really about him asking for an apology. He is anonymous. He could easily write a short memoir and it'll be a hit.

I think he's laughing all the way to the bank. Milked what he could out of it when the campaign paid the most.

It doesn't sound ludicrous at all. Ass broke campaign rules to hog the spots which could as well have gone to someone else. Considering that 100+ applicants apply for the spots and only 1-2 get in, it is unfair to those who could have been selected.

You make it sound as if participation in a campaign is some sort of natural right, as if he depleted groundwater or otherwise abused a rivalrous but non-excludable good, when it can be better compared to someone applying under different identities, somehow getting accepted, and successfully working at two (three) jobs within the same company. The biggest loss to the company in such a situation is the extra overhead of having two (three) employees instead of one.

Then there is the whole issue of decency and conduct. As Staff, it is understood that you cannot make enforceable "rules" about conduct and cannot define decency.  This is subjective but its importance shouldn't be diluted, least of all by staff; by refusing to take a stand on the ethical debate over such actions.

I absolutely don't condone deception, but as far as scamming and defrauding goes, this is all very tame by bitcointalk or cryptocurrency-sphere standards.

It doesn't at all compare to, for example, cheating at no-fee raffles, and the main reason people are so angry is because of the amount of money involved.

Personally, having replied to all of his alts on more than one occasion, I feel trolled. Actually, thought creeped in to my mind a couple times that FomA, exstasie and even gentlemand could have been the same person, probably because I've seen them post so often (too often) in similar threads, but it was all just a very weak hunch (according to other posters the last person is legit so I was wrong), but learning that squatter was FomA's alt really caught me by surprise.

[eddie13]

Too many snips I’d like to reply to..

I think the lesson to be drawn from this is that decentralized and anonymous systems will never really be able to implement even a semblance of fair business practices. There will always be the need for a way to track participant actions that affect the business. While this forum and bitcoiners proselytize about the benefits of "decentralization", they accept wrongdoing, fraud and plain corruption as "sleight of hand". We all accept this "He did it because he could, lets forget about it" mentality over such things. This is one of the biggest hurdles for the concept of decentralization to truly become useful. Because if you are going to be vulnerable to the same scheming and collusion, why really bother to change the present system. Lets just keep morals, ethics aside and everybody go mooooooon.

It’s absolutely 100% fair free market anarchy..
Every one of us had the same opportunity to enroll 3 or even 10 alts into CM just as he did..
Yeah he broke the rules, but he got away with it, and made a killing..

In a decentralized world you have to think of what is possible without bounds of morality, and expect whatever to happen accordingly..
Keep your eyes out for scammers and others to take advantage of every and any opportunity..



Does it make any of you that never got into the CM campaign angry that he was 3X a better poster than you? Lol..
Because that’s basically what it boils down to..


+100 for malevolent
Gonna check and make sure he is on my inclusions list.. He gets it.. (yep)

This is crypto.. Stop thinking in a world of rules and control and start thinking in a world where all possibilities and opportunities will be taken advantage of by someone, and protect yourself accordingly..

Just think.. In all likelihood CM is an NSA honeypot anyway, lol..
Could be..

I absolutely don't condone deception, but as far as scamming and defrauding goes, this is all very tame by bitcointalk or cryptocurrency-sphere standards.

It doesn't at all compare to, for example, cheating at no-fee raffles, and the main reason people are so angry is because of the amount of money involved.

This 100%

And NO nutildah I’m not saying that it’s perfectly OK that he broke the campaign rules.. It is an untrustworthy action surely..
But quite “tame”, and not as bad as the cheating the giveaways actions..

People are pissy because it’s chipmixer..
They think the world should be “fair” or something..