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Getting accepted into a campaign is not akin to winning a no-fee raffle but conditional on being the most suitable forum member DarkStar_ is looking for. Other people applied, and yet FomA's alts were chosen over them, clearly indicating who was a better fit for the campaign.
Given the number of applicants and no lack of good ones, DarkStar_ is probably throwing a dart at the shortlist, but that's not the point. If FOMA didn't break the rules then someone else would have taken his place and earned that money. Therefore FOMA breaking the rules did negatively affect whoever was next on DS's shortlist, even we accept the rationalization that FOMA didn't steal from DS/CM. The fact that we can't name the affected users in this situation doesn't mean they don't exist.
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It’s absolutely 100% fair free market anarchy.. ~ In a decentralized world you have to think of what is possible without bounds of morality, and expect whatever to happen accordingly.. Keep your eyes out for scammers and others to take advantage of every and any opportunity.. ~ This is crypto.. Stop thinking in a world of rules and control and start thinking in a world where all possibilities and opportunities will be taken advantage of by someone, and protect yourself accordingly.. I think this would be a very good subject for another topic! In a way I really like what you said here, but at the same time I totally disagree. From what I've seen, I think theymos would completely agree with you point of view here. Just think.. In all likelihood CM is an NSA honeypot anyway, lol..
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Just think.. In all likelihood CM is an NSA honeypot anyway, lol.. If you want to get into that subject, you are near the top of the list of users here I suspect of directly being government agents of some sort But I like you anyway Same principle.. Anyone could be a scammer.. Anyone could be an agent.. The only person responsible for protecting your ass is YOU..
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Given the number of applicants and no lack of good ones, DarkStar_ is probably throwing a dart at the shortlist, but that's not the point. If FOMA didn't break the rules then someone else would have taken his place and earned that money. Therefore FOMA breaking the rules did negatively affect whoever was next on DS's shortlist, even we accept the rationalization that FOMA didn't steal from DS/CM. The fact that we can't name the affected users in this situation doesn't mean they don't exist.
DS tends to look for users making posts on specific boards, IIRC, among other things, so it's not like every user has equal chances, and that's before comparing the quality of their posts. Also, since potentially affected users lost against FomA in the competition to be admitted, them being accepted would technically mean CM would be paying for posts of inferior quality to those of FomA.
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It wasn't on me to mention it, besides, there wasn't solid proof of connection.
Yep. Full disclosure: I had talked the possibility over with marlboroza back then but as he mentioned there wasn't enough proof to move forward. So I shelved the whole thing for almost a year, until this came up. And NO nutildah I’m not saying that it’s perfectly OK that he broke the campaign rules.. It is an untrustworthy action surely..
OK good. But quite “tame”, and not as bad as the cheating the giveaways actions..
If you say so. People are pissy because it’s chipmixer.. They think the world should be “fair” or something..
I didn't see people being pissy at all. I saw a lot of people who commented on the implications of this, and then a few people expanded on the findings, and then you came in judging people in an almost strawman-type fashion, for whatever reason. Which just seems bizarre to me given that you said this the previous week: Should be putting a neutral on the project representatives, ANN posters, and managers.. “Bounties full of alt accounts, poor advertising practices” -warn investors.. “Manager repeatedly hires multiple alt accounts” - warn projects of poor managers..
Make the project and managers feel some pain over it..
For all we know the managers accounts and project rep accounts are all alts too..
It sounded like you thought bounty managers that hire alts should be actively punished while higher paying sig campaign managers should look the other way when it comes to rulebreakers, but you've since clarified that's not what you believe. I think that's why I found some of your input to be problematic, LOL. First time I've ever used that word.
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Also, since potentially affected users lost against FomA in the competition to be admitted, them being accepted would technically mean CM would be paying for posts of inferior quality to those of FomA. Counter-hypothetical: what if FOMA didn't cheat and made 120 posts per week with one account providing extra free advertising to CM, who could then hire one or two other users with the same budget and get even more advertising. That's basically how it works with honest participants like LoyceV who often exceeds the 50 post count by a large margin.
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It sounded like you thought bounty managers that hire alts should be actively punished while higher paying sig campaign managers should look the other way when it comes to rulebreakers, but you've since clarified that's not what you believe. I think that's why I found some of your input to be problematic, LOL. First time I've ever used that word.
DS hardly has a history of hiring spammers and/or providing poor quality advertisement to projects he represents, would you agree? Even with the best some slip through the cracks, and the one who slipped through the cracks here was impressively talented..
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To say it was his only source of income and he needed the money, so he can cheat and the rest of the forum must be understanding is dangerous. There are people in Brazil who tries to justify robbery with the same argument. Are you really comparing using alts to go around campaign rules to a violent crime? He did not steal money from anyone, and he certainly did not commit violence against anyone. He provided a service, and received payment for said service. He was arguing that as he needed the money and it could be his only source of income, that is "ok' and it should made any difference to others... I don't agree with this. If a scammer needs the money and scamming people is his only source of income, would it matters? I am just using Reductio ad absurdum to say why I don't agree. He provided the service pretending to be someone else. He stole money from other potential participants, and cheated the company that is requesting the service (as they stated that they didn't want to enrol alts). Just because you can't name them, doesn't mean they don't exist, like suchmoon said. He might have stole 2 BTC from you. How would you feel about that? Well, maybe not you two, because malevolent is already in the campaign and quickseller couldn't have joined because of negative tag... It’s absolutely 100% fair free market anarchy.. Every one of us had the same opportunity to enroll 3 or even 10 alts into CM just as he did.. Yeah he broke the rules, but he got away with it, and made a killing..
In a decentralized world you have to think of what is possible without bounds of morality, and expect whatever to happen accordingly.. Keep your eyes out for scammers and others to take advantage of every and any opportunity..
But nothing is decentralized here... just the payment method... The forum is owned by someone, CM is a private company, the campaign is managed (so centralized) in darkstar. The money comes from one source only... As the company is requesting a service, according to X rules which DS established, talking about decentralization makes no sense to me... But i agree, he has the freedom to do as he wants. After all, this is internet.
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Just think.. In all likelihood CM is an NSA honeypot anyway, lol.. Brilliant. Then we finally got the NSA to work with embargoed countries after all these years. At least y'all can be sure that I'm no-one's alt.
What does the link proof and how can that post proof that you are not alt of anyone? I'm not saying you are alt of anyone; since you linked this, I got curious how this post is relevant to proof that you are not anyone's alt.
Well for starters anyone who could've been my alt now has a lot of public info they have to go along with since they cannot pretend to be anonymous.
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What does the link proof and how can that post proof that you are not alt of anyone? I'm not saying you are alt of anyone; since you linked this, I got curious how this post is relevant to proof that you are not anyone's alt.
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Going by this guy's writing style, I'm pretty sure this account still belongs to FOMA. I had a few extra minutes this morning so I found an ETH address he posted: which sent all its USDT to this address: At around the same time, that address (0x8c6...) also received coins from this address: The two transactions happened mere minutes apart and are not purchases -- it's a single person consolidating wallets. So on top of everything else, he's also been cheating in bounties, which isn't really surprising. Interestingly, lovesmayfamilis had connected deodivine1 to other accounts in 2019.
What does the link proof and how can that post proof that you are not alt of anyone? I'm not saying you are alt of anyone; since you linked this, I got curious how this post is relevant to proof that you are not anyone's alt. This is correct -- for the sake of clarifying how "proof" should be counted or not counted, signing a Bitcoin address isn't proof that you don't have other accounts on the forum (this would be almost impossible to "prove" one way or the other). You're asking us to trust your word, which is not how proof works as far as forum-related matters are concerned.
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It would be a good idea to have them all compiled together so they can easily be tagged and ~Excellent post by nutildah again. It makes you wonder just how far wide did that multi-account operator might have spread his tentacles. It seems a more comprehensive list needs to be created to add on to the 9 names mentioned in the OP, is there any chance it can be updated? ~snip~
Going by this guy's writing style, I'm pretty sure this account still belongs to FOMA.
I had a few extra minutes this morning so I found an ETH address he posted:
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The two transactions happened mere minutes apart and are not purchases -- it's a single person consolidating wallets. So on top of everything else, he's also been cheating in bounties, which isn't really surprising. Interestingly, lovesmayfamilis had connected deodivine1 to other accounts in 2019. if indeed @InwardContour, it is the Alt of @figmentofmyass, and they are also Alts connected to the @dataispower and @deodivine1 accounts. Means my guess can be said to be 99%, they have 100 Alt accounts in this forum, with various models, some are for sale and so on. If so, this is also interesting, when associated with @deodivine1, there are another 14 Alt below.Topic:14+ acconts connected. Community help needed.
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I think the lesson to be drawn from this is that decentralized and anonymous systems will never really be able to implement even a semblance of fair business practices. There will always be the need for a way to track participant actions that affect the business. While this forum and bitcoiners proselytize about the benefits of "decentralization", they accept wrongdoing, fraud and plain corruption as "sleight of hand". We all accept this "He did it because he could, lets forget about it" mentality over such things. This is one of the biggest hurdles for the concept of decentralization to truly become useful. Because if you are going to be vulnerable to the same scheming and collusion, why really bother to change the present system. Lets just keep morals, ethics aside and everybody go mooooooon.
You can just as easily steal and defraud with cash, anonymously or otherwise. This isn't something unique to decentralized and anonymous systems. This is also just another example of why morality isn't always black and white. Is it ok to steal? Most people would say no. Is it ok to steal to feed your dying children? Most would probably say yes or would do so if they were in that situation. Is is ok to use multiple free coupons for something that explicitly states only one per customer? Who cares? Of course you can argue that it's not fair to everyone else but if something can be exploited it will and for those that get caught doing so there's likely going to be consequences. I don't think there's ever going to be a system that can't be cheated somehow though. People are pushing for things like blockchain-based voting systems and whilst I think they'd be better than the current very outdated 'counting-by-hand' system that most govs seem to use blockchain systems can still be cheated at the user end. People will just start selling their votes and without in person ID checks our some other system fraud will still be possible, but just think of how many votes were lost in the post or how many of the people counting engaged in fraud or unfair practices and there's no real checks or balancing with the current system. It’s absolutely 100% fair free market anarchy.. ~ In a decentralized world you have to think of what is possible without bounds of morality, and expect whatever to happen accordingly.. Keep your eyes out for scammers and others to take advantage of every and any opportunity.. ~ This is crypto.. Stop thinking in a world of rules and control and start thinking in a world where all possibilities and opportunities will be taken advantage of by someone, and protect yourself accordingly.. I think this would be a very good subject for another topic! In a way I really like what you said here, but at the same time I totally disagree. From what I've seen, I think theymos would completely agree with you point of view here. There's always a least two points of view. For instance, some people including many here believe total anarchy and no governments would be the better system. Personally I don't. I think big gov is bad and should be scaled back but I think if it was just an 'everybody-for-themselves' free-for-all then it would be a pretty nightmare-ish scenario to me and bodies would soon start piling up on the streets, but hey, the rich guys living in their fortresses protected with tanks and guns would be ok and everyone else can fight it out on the streets. Does it make any of you that never got into the CM campaign angry that he was 3X a better poster than you? Lol.. Because that’s basically what it boils down to..
You can look at it like cheating a lottery. Imagine ten equally great posters apply for ten spots on the campaign. One guy enters with 8 accounts and three of his get it, whilst the others who don't have essentially been cheated by the odds. He stole money from other potential participants, and cheated the company that is requesting the service (as they stated that they didn't want to enrol alts). Just because you can't name them, doesn't mean they don't exist, like suchmoon said. He might have stole 2 BTC from you. How would you feel about that?
He didn't steal anything. It's only stealing if it was someone else's property in the first place. He cheated the rules and took a potential spot away from someone but it's not stealing. If there's only two cans of beans left on the shelf in a store and someone gets there before me and buys two they haven't stolen them from me. They got there first. Maybe it's only one can of beans per person and maybe they jumped the que to get them or maybe they got their wife to also go in and get a can or two as well. It's 'unfair for sure but that's life and it's certainly not stealing.
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Does it make any of you that never got into the CM campaign angry that he was 3X a better poster than you? Lol.. Because that’s basically what it boils down to..
For some reason my eyes glossed over this the first time. This is wrong at every level. Nobody's gonna stop to tell him that all 3 accounts enrolled before the great 2017 bull run? Because that is what initially attracted attention to the CM campaign in the first place. It was only after that when competition got much stiffer. Unsurprisingly, there's still a lot of accounts grandfathered in from that era who, in my opinion, probably wouldn't make the cut today if applying for the first time. Sorry eddie but I'm not going to stop busting account farms over fear of having my posting ability judged by you.
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Does it make any of you that never got into the CM campaign angry that he was 3X a better poster than you? Lol.. Because that’s basically what it boils down to..
For some reason my eyes glossed over this the first time. This is wrong at every level. Nobody's gonna stop to tell him that all 3 accounts enrolled before the great 2017 bull run? Because that is what initially attracted attention to the CM campaign in the first place. It was only after that when competition got much stiffer. Unsurprisingly, there's still a lot of accounts grandfathered in from that era who, in my opinion, probably wouldn't make the cut today if applying for the first time. Sorry eddie but I'm not going to stop busting account farms over fear of having my posting ability judged by you. I’ve been speaking generally.. Not sure why your so focused on me here.. Congrats though.. You caught yourself a big fish this time!! Bust all the account farms y’all want.. Knock yourselves out.. Wish you the best of luck!
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I’ve been speaking generally.. Not sure why your so focused on me here..
I'm responding to your criticisms and jabs you are taking at some sort of invisible foe. That's why.
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Well... Well... Well... So the DT1 Troll figmentofmyass who DT distrusted me and spent many months convincing other DT1 Trolls that my investigations into alts was wild hysteria has been proven to be in actual fact an alt scammer him/herself scamming from the largest SigCamp. It seems that timelord believes one of the accounts is a farmed account connected to a different farm. IDK if the accounts are still “connected” to the same person as the connection is from several years ago. My guess is that all the accounts in the OP were likely available for sale at one point, if not actually sold.
Not very likely - from the OP's list of those they identified this simple list of the UID's involved shows their various creation dates / last active dates:
2012-11-21, 06:21:20 Date Registered: MAbtc
2013-07-09, 18:43:52 Date Registered: illyiller 2013-07-09, 18:49:13 Date Registered: figmentofmyass
2013-10-28, 00:34:01 Date Registered: exstasie
2013-11-18, 04:37:55 Date Registered: squatter 2013-11-18, 06:41:48 Date Registered: marky89
2014-07-27, 20:08:36 Date Registered: manchester93 2014-07-27, 20:20:46 Date Registered: romani245 2014-07-27, 20:31:48 Date Registered: illinest
2019-11-09, 08:23:27 Last Active: marky89
2020-01-15, 05:50:16 Last Active: MAbtc
2020-02-19, 17:55:53 Last Active: romani245
2021-02-02, 08:33:27 Last Active: exstasie
2020-03-05, 07:53:32 Last Active: manchester93 2020-03-05, 07:53:48 Last Active: illinest
2021-01-19, 20:49:35 Last Active: illyiller
2021-01-27, 10:33:45 Last Active: squatter 2021-01-30, 03:01:58 Last Active: figmentofmyass
As you can see given the close proximity within minutes/thirty minutes/two hours no one trying to scam would draw attention to themselves in such a mannor. Were @darkstar_ to compile a list (indeed *any* Campaign Manager) something like that would stand out like a sore thumb.
exstasie trust feedback: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=154539Timelord2067 2017-01-16 Reference This is a farmed UID to pump and bump (i.e. self vouching) piratcoin u=157009 Accounts Connected: Kyle91 -2: -1 / +0, drpepperyummy, ltiv, beegatewood, exstasie, mert1337, Xtrem999, Leezil, BioBTC, Jochen, piratcoin, fildza, Wipeout2097, dabest1, Fuckbuddies In my Known alts thread of the 2017-01-16, 19:43:28 as well as the above motley crew, there is the UID MAbtc who was connected to exstasie via the OP.
So, here are the UID's I said are alts ways back in 2017: 2011-05-30, 19:00:03 Date Registered: dabest1
2012-07-13, 18:56:47 Date Registered: Fuckbuddies
2013-07-11, 20:33:34Date Registered: fildza
2013-07-26, 11:21:21 Date Registered: Wipeout2097
2013-08-10, 12:58:55 Date Registered: Kyle91
2013-09-13, 02:37:29 Date Registered: drpepperyummy
2013-09-24, 01:15:27 Date Registered: ltiv
2013-10-26, 23:51:06 Date Registered: beegatewood 2013-10-28, 00:34:01 Date Registered: exstasie 2013-10-29, 01:01:20 Date Registered: mert1337 2013-10-29, 05:35:27 Date Registered: Xtrem999 2013-10-30, 19:49:21 Date Registered: Leezil 2013-10-31, 15:04:09Date Registered: BioBTC 2013-11-01, 11:50:23 Date Registered: Jochen
2013-11-10, 09:41:46 Last Active: Leezil
2013-12-09, 09:35:19 Last Active: drpepperyummy 2013-12-22, 21:46:24 Last Active: ltiv
2015-01-10, 20:58:12 Last Active: Xtrem999
2016-12-26, 09:33:04Last Active: BioBTC
2018-03-26, 16:50:34 Last Active: mert1337
2018-04-09, 18:31:43 Last Active: dabest1 2018-04-10, 13:13:23 Last Active: fildza
2018-07-14, 20:16:54 Last Active: Fuckbuddies
2018-07-23, 03:07:15 Last Active: beegatewood
2018-11-06, 08:14:25 Last Active: Kyle91
2019-03-28, 23:43:19 Last Active: Jochen
2021-02-02, 08:33:27 Last Active: exstasie
@YOSHIE identifies five alts connected via Twitter feeds and other means: 2011-05-14, 05:49:48 Date Registered: yeponlyone
2013-05-19, 12:32:39 Date Registered: Marbit
2013-06-02, 19:04:11 Date Registered: mega
2013-06-21, 06:01:21 Date Registered: Argwai96 2013-06-21, 06:26:01 Date Registered: Gimmelfarb 2013-06-22, 03:14:36 Date Registered: AceWallen 2013-06-22, 03:22:06 Date Registered: HarHarHar9965
2014-01-09, 16:56:05 Date Registered: angrynerd88
2015-07-28, 02:34:38 Last Active: AceWallen
2017-11-30, 08:41:39 Last Active: Argwai96
2018-12-09, 22:07:12 Last Active: Marbit
2019-07-09, 18:05:47 Last Active: yeponlyone
2019-07-24, 06:46:27 Last Active: Gimmelfarb
2020-02-26, 15:54:36 Last Active: HarHarHar9965
Let's put the multiple lists together and examine the results: (note, the figmentofmyass alts I'll show in brown - the colour of shit - because let's face it... that's all figmentofmyass is ... a DT1 Troll piece of shit...) The two UID's that are mentioned in both threads I've marked in RED while the alts I connected in 2017 are marked in orange. Interestingly gentlemand is identified as having stopped posting when they were removed from the chipmixer campaign... Their registration date is spot on for these two clusters: YOSHIE'S connections I show in blue. 2011-05-14, 05:49:48 Date Registered: yeponlyone2011-05-30, 19:00:03 Date Registered: dabest1
2012-07-13, 18:56:47 Date Registered: Fuckbuddies2012-11-21, 06:21:20 Date Registered: MAbtc2013-05-19, 12:32:39 Date Registered: Marbit
2013-06-02, 19:04:11 Date Registered: mega
2013-06-21, 06:01:21 Date Registered: Argwai96 2013-06-21, 06:26:01 Date Registered: Gimmelfarb 2013-06-22, 03:14:36 Date Registered: AceWallen 2013-06-22, 03:22:06 Date Registered: HarHarHar99652013-07-09, 18:43:52 Date Registered: illyiller 2013-07-09, 18:49:13 Date Registered: figmentofmyass2013-07-11, 20:33:34 Date Registered: fildza
2013-07-26, 11:21:21 Date Registered: Wipeout2097
2013-08-10, 12:58:55 Date Registered: Kyle91
2013-09-13, 02:37:29 Date Registered: drpepperyummy
2013-09-24, 01:15:27 Date Registered: ltiv
2013-10-26, 23:51:06 Date Registered: beegatewood2013-10-28, 00:34:01 Date Registered: exstasie2013-10-29, 01:01:20 Date Registered: mert1337 2013-10-29, 05:35:27 Date Registered: Xtrem999 2013-10-30, 12:33:31 Date Registered: gentlemand 2013-10-30, 19:49:21 Date Registered: Leezil 2013-10-31, 15:04:09Date Registered: BioBTC 2013-11-01, 11:50:23 Date Registered: Jochen
2013-11-10, 09:41:46 Last Active: Leezil2013-11-18, 04:37:55 Date Registered: squatter 2013-11-18, 06:41:48 Date Registered: marky892013-12-09, 09:35:19 Last Active: drpepperyummy 2013-12-22, 21:46:24 Last Active: ltiv2014-01-09, 16:56:05 Date Registered: angrynerd882014-07-27, 20:08:36 Date Registered: manchester93 2014-07-27, 20:20:46 Date Registered: romani245 2014-07-27, 20:31:48 Date Registered: illinest2015-01-10, 20:58:12 Last Active: Xtrem999
2015-07-28, 02:34:38 Last Active: AceWallen
2016-12-26, 09:33:04Last Active: BioBTC
2017-11-30, 08:41:39 Last Active: Argwai96
2018-03-26, 16:50:34 Last Active: mert1337
2018-04-09, 18:31:43 Last Active: dabest1 2018-04-10, 13:13:23 Last Active: fildza
2018-07-14, 20:16:54 Last Active: Fuckbuddies
2018-07-23, 03:07:15 Last Active: beegatewood
2018-11-06, 08:14:25 Last Active: Kyle91
2018-12-09, 22:07:12 Last Active: Marbit
2019-03-28, 23:43:19 Last Active: Jochen2019-07-09, 18:05:47 Last Active: yeponlyone
2019-07-24, 06:46:27 Last Active: Gimmelfarb2019-11-09, 08:23:27 Last Active: marky892020-01-15, 05:50:16 Last Active: MAbtc2020-02-19, 17:55:53 Last Active: romani2452020-02-26, 15:54:36 Last Active: HarHarHar99652020-03-05, 07:53:32 Last Active: manchester93 2020-03-05, 07:53:48 Last Active: illinest2020-11-26, 01:08:26 Last Active: mega2020-12-06, 02:36:16 Last Active: gentlemand2021-01-19, 20:49:35 Last Active: illyiller2021-01-27, 10:33:45 Last Active: squatter 2021-01-30, 03:01:58 Last Active: figmentofmyass2021-02-01, 10:50:47 - This thread starts2021-02-02, 08:33:27 Last Active: exstasieToday at 09:22:48 Last Active: Wipeout2097Today at 09:58:35 Last Active: angrynerd88
This doesn't take into account the running list of SwC poker handles
Thanks @dkbit98 for your support.
It seems that timeloard believes one of the accounts is a farmed account connected to a different farm. IDK if the accounts are still “connected” to the same person as the connection is from several years ago. My guess is that all the accounts in the OP were likely available for sale at one point, if not actually sold.
I wouldn't trust timelord's ratings especially ones from so long ago as 2017. He used to have a bizarre habit of tying people together using twisted logic that only made sense to him. My memory is hazy but I'm pretty sure figmentofmyass was well known to belong to an account farmer or was sold at one point. That name definitely sticks out. Middle finger of the thread goes to hilariousetc... - Don't forget people... DT1 Trolls yelling long and loud ...
I believe most of what @quickseller has said in this thread is spin to protect past clients.
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I believe most of what @quickseller has said in this thread is spin to protect past clients.
I have no reason to protect my former clients. I have not traded forum accounts in years, and will almost certainly not deal with any of my former clients again. Most likely this person bought a number of accounts and was able to enroll may of them into high paying signature campaigns. Who knows, maybe he has more still enrolled in CM.
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Who knows, maybe he has more still enrolled in CM. I thought of that possibility too. It would be interesting (but painstaking) to cross-check all addresses ever posted by all participants.
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