ChipMixer directly enables Scammers, Drug Dealers, CP, Terrorists, Tax Evaders..

[eddie13]

It is their core customer base and business model...
How do you feel knowing that your sig profits are coming directly from the fees of the most egregious criminals you can imagine as they successfully evade every law you advocate for?

If you don’t like it take your CM signatures off, because this is the reality of the situation.. Like it or not..
Where do your principles REALLY lye?
The truth hurts Doesn’t it?

Let’s see someone explain to me how you can wear a CM sig and not hold the principles of an anarchist..
Ready for the word-salad trying to explain this away..


Inspired by my post here ..
And..

I think this would be a very good subject for another topic!

Ok.. I have some free time..

[Upgrade00]

I advocate for a free internet, where users can communicate through encrypted services without the fear of a third party listening in on their conversation, even though it means "egregious criminals" can take advantage of the freedom to perpetrate their activities. You do not cherry pick who takes advantage of public services, they are available to everyone.

It is their core customer base and business model...

The business model is privacy, allowing individuals transact discreetly without being monitored and traced

[The Sceptical Chymist]

So does the anonymity of cash, which has been used anonymously for criminal activities since the beginning of money. 

What's up with all of this sudden Chipmixer hating?  There are people who truly value their privacy, and their service offers that.  Similarly there are people who use Tor not because they're buying illegal goods on the dark web but because they don't want the government snooping around in their business--and I can't blame them for that, given that governments have demonstrated a blatant disregard for people's privacy. 

Are criminals going to use a service like Chipmixer?  I would think so.  Does that mean it's an evil service that needs to be shut down?  Hell, no!  This is cryptocurrency that we're all interested in here, is it not?  Does privacy not mean anything to you?

[actmyname]

How do you feel knowing that your sig profits are coming directly from the fees of the most egregious criminals you can imagine as they successfully evade every law you advocate for?

Let’s see someone explain to me how you can wear a CM sig and not hold the principles of an anarchist..
Ready for the word-salad trying to explain this away..

One possible avenue would be to compare the structures of the highlight.

Arguing for non-censorship on the currency and low granularity basis to enable individual censorship on platforms, something like that. something something property rightsThe only rule I follow is that there are no rules thereafter!

[NeuroticFish]

How do you feel knowing that your sig profits are coming directly from the fees of the most egregious criminals you can imagine as they successfully evade every law you advocate for?

The way the thing go in the world call that if you say something like this, it could be useful to also .. prove it...
However, ChipMixer does for Bitcoin what I always loved about Monero: it helps avoid too curious people from taking a look into your pockets.
Criminals use it? Maybe. Criminals also use US dollar bills and I don't see people giving up to that. Criminals use guns, but I don't see police forces giving up to guns. Criminals use knives, but I don't see you advocating against them.
So.. your point is... ?

I've said it before: the agencies should start finding better ways to catch criminals than invade absolutely everybody's privacy. Especially as governments and agencies are subject to mistakes, corruption, crooked employees, leading to abuses against privacy.

[eddie13]

Oh my..
Suddenly this forum is full of anarchists.. How convenient..

Tell me.. Have none of you recently advocated for or supported any form of regulation whatsoever??
Iirc we even have a self proclaimed socialist suddenly turned anarchist, lol..

Let’s continue..

[o_e_l_e_o]

This old chestnut again?

It is their core customer base and business model...

No, it isn't. It makes up about 8% of their business: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5276433.msg55214460#msg55214460

Where do your principles REALLY lye?

With privacy: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5214200.msg53499357#msg53499357

[suchmoon]

How do you feel knowing that your sig profits are coming directly from the fees of the most egregious criminals you can imagine as they successfully evade every law you advocate for?

I feel the same way I feel about fiat or a rest stop on I-75, both of which without a doubt have been used by vile criminals.

OTOH, I have used Chipmixer and I'm not a criminal, not an egregious one anyway.

Also someone told me that Chipmixer is an NSA honeypot so the joke's on the criminals.

[Vod]

Oh my..
Suddenly this forum is full of anarchists.. How convenient..

I see a lot of ChipMixer paid signatures here.

[eddie13]

This old chestnut again?

It is their core customer base and business model...

No, it isn't. It makes up about 8% of their business: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5276433.msg55214460#msg55214460

Where do your principles REALLY lye?

With privacy: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5214200.msg53499357#msg53499357

Because coin coming from an exchange can’t possibly be stolen right??

You know how we used to mix coins in the old days??
Exchanges.. lol

Definitely weren’t dirty and mixed before they went to the exchange..

Mixed coins coming out of an exchange, through a mixer, definitely aren’t heading to Pirate Bay or similar..


Privacy?

So you can advocate for rules/regulations, and at the same time advocate for the tools that allow you to freely break all of these rules/regulations?

Mmkay..

[Hhampuz]

eddie13, here's a thought for you:

ChipMixer Bitcoin Crypto directly enables Scammers, Drug Dealers, CP, Terrorists, Tax Evaders..

Will you stop using Bitcoin, or for that matter crypto, or do you have no principles? Geez.

While we're on that topic.. How do you pay for stuff in your RL? Fiat? Please promise that you'll never look up what kind of dirty deals fiat is involved in.

[o_e_l_e_o]

Because coin coming from an exchange can’t possibly be stolen right??

So everyone must stop using exchanges? What about trading peer-to-peer? Only freshly mined bitcoin are safe?

So you can advocate for rules/regulations, and at the same time advocate for the tools that allow you to freely break all of these rules/regulations?

What rules and regulations which invade privacy have I advocated for?

[Vod]

While we're on that topic.. How do you pay for stuff in your RL? Fiat? Please promise that you'll never look up what kind of dirty deals fiat is involved in.

Interesting topic.  I always knew FIAT was a ponzi from the moment the treasury printed the first dollar in existence and said "You owe me $1.01 back."    But my video watching recently has shocked me at the large amounts that can be lent/re-lent on just a single dollar.   

[eddie13]

So you can advocate for rules/regulations, and at the same time advocate for the tools that allow you to freely break all of these rules/regulations?

What rules and regulations which invade privacy have I advocated for?

Idk..
I’m not trying to pick on anyone specific here..
But it seems you have some +DT trust for being a “super alt detector” lol

Catch a bunch of lowlife fucks while simultaneously advertising “this is how to not get caught by me”
Pretty darn good ad placement I’d have to say..

Not that I feel at all bad for whatever idiots you bust either..
They were obviously too stupid/lazy to do their research on how to get away with whatever they were up to..

[JeromeTash]

If we go by the same logic, then we should say the same thing about the US dollar for example. It's been used by drug dealers since time immemorial, it's been used to fund terrorist activities, it's been laundered here and there. So why are we still using the goddamn dollar? 

The answer is simple, it has it's intended use, but that does not stop people with bad intentions from using it for other purposes. The Same applies to chipmixer's intended purposes and what criminals decided to use it for.

[o_e_l_e_o]

I’m not trying to pick on anyone specific here..

No offense taken.

But it seems you have some +DT trust for being a “super alt detector”

I see no disconnect between advocating for users to take their privacy seriously and reporting users who are evading bans or similar.

[actmyname]

But it seems you have some +DT trust for being a “super alt detector”

I see no disconnect between advocating for users to take their privacy seriously and reporting users who are evading bans or similar.

One could argue about the actual dynamics of tagging people based on the "no alts enrolled" rule especially when this is usually more of a status quo copy-pasted clause rather than any thought-out rule. _[ref]
It's clear when you look at spreadsheets where participants have the same address etc. with no due diligence during enrollment. And of course, considering such users high-risk despite their harm being a spam problem... well, at the end of the day you're effectively calling for more moderation.

After all, some users are able to pump out consistent replies of high quality on multiple accounts, whether in secrecy or not.

[suchmoon]

It's clear when you look at spreadsheets where participants have the same address etc. with no due diligence during enrollment. And of course, considering such users high-risk despite their harm being a spam problem... well, at the end of the day you're effectively calling for more moderation.

The reason they enroll multiple accounts is likely because of some limit, e.g. max posts per week. If I was running a campaign I would call it cheating as it makes me pay more for less and it amuses me greatly to see some seemingly rational and respected users going out of their way to downplay this.

Now what does this have to do with egregious criminals laundering money?

[actmyname]

If I was running a campaign I would call it cheating as it makes me pay more for less and it amuses me greatly to see some seemingly rational and respected users going out of their way to downplay this.

Smokescreens should be kept up to prevent the alt cabal from being discovered by the community. Rather than facilitate a secret organization denying all wrongdoing, the community puts up a front with nonsensical conspiratorial users to create an association of unreliability toward criticism. Diluting the subsequent efforts of users that truly uncover the system of corruption, the criminal organization develops a reputation of upstanding trustworthiness purely through the sentiment of the advertisers and other forum members. Success for the ChipMixer Cult, and down with the forum. Conspiracies are so banal because you cake them in un-falsifiability.

Now what does this have to do with egregious criminals laundering money?

Obviously, if you wear a signature you support the practices of the company you are advertising.

[Vod]

Now what does this have to do with egregious criminals laundering money?

Obviously, if you wear a signature you support the practices of the company you are advertising.

I would think it's the advertiser who supports the practices of the person who wears it.