Will Trump be indicted ?

[PrimeNumber7]

The prosecution is very clearly political.

No, your defense  of Trump is political.

No doubt if it were Hillary or Biden in the same situation you'd have the opposite stance.

Both Hilary and Biden are clearly either running or have run (in the case of Clinton) bribery schemes, pretty much out in the open, and neither have faced any kind of prosecution.

Yeah we know.  And Trump is an innocent victim.
And if the Clinton Foundation were indicted for exactly the same thing with identical evidence as the Trump Org case, you'd be arguing the exact opposite of what you are now.  You're unable to set politics aside and look at the facts clearly.

You don't know that.

The reason the Trump org was charged with the crimes it was charged with is that prosecutors were unable to find evidence of more serious crimes after looking very closely at their business records and tax records. I'm sure both the Clintons and the Bidens are involved in much more serious illegal activity. Both the Bidens and the Clintons have run influence-peddling schemes basically out in the open, and no one in federal law enforcement even bats an eye.

[TwitchySeal]

The prosecution is very clearly political.

No, your defense  of Trump is political.

No doubt if it were Hillary or Biden in the same situation you'd have the opposite stance.

Both Hilary and Biden are clearly either running or have run (in the case of Clinton) bribery schemes, pretty much out in the open, and neither have faced any kind of prosecution.

Yeah we know.  And Trump is an innocent victim.
And if the Clinton Foundation were indicted for exactly the same thing with identical evidence as the Trump Org case, you'd be arguing the exact opposite of what you are now.  You're unable to set politics aside and look at the facts clearly.

You don't know that.

It's a pretty safe assumption though.

I mean, whatever your source of info is has you convinced only a 2 or 3 people breached the capital and the rest were invited in by police.  Obviously they would have no problem convincing you Clinton or Biden should be prosecuted of pretty much anything, especially if it were actually happening already in real life.

[sirazimuth]

The January 6 Select Committee says they have enough evidence
for the Justice Department to pursue a criminal indictment against
Donald Trump for seeking to steal the 2020 election, per AP.

[BADecker]

The January 6 Select Committee says they have enough evidence
for the Justice Department to pursue a criminal indictment against
Donald Trump for seeking to steal the 2020 election, per AP.

It's all circumstantial evidence. Trump harmed nobody, nor did he ever order that anybody be harmed. Those people who harmed other people and destroyed property should be prosecuted for what they did... including the DC cops who murdered two, innocent protesters who had done no harm or damage.

[TwitchySeal]

The January 6 Select Committee says they have enough evidence
for the Justice Department to pursue a criminal indictment against
Donald Trump for seeking to steal the 2020 election, per AP.

It's all circumstantial evidence. Trump harmed nobody, nor did he ever order that anybody be harmed. Those people who harmed other people and destroyed property should be prosecuted for what they did... including the DC cops who murdered two, innocent protesters who had done no harm or damage.

Actually there's a lot of direct evidence.

And the issue isn't really the destroyed property or injuries, it's the attempt by a sitting president to remain in power after being voted out of office. 

Most people that fell for the big lie are just more of Trumps victims.

[BADecker]

The January 6 Select Committee says they have enough evidence
for the Justice Department to pursue a criminal indictment against
Donald Trump for seeking to steal the 2020 election, per AP.

It's all circumstantial evidence. Trump harmed nobody, nor did he ever order that anybody be harmed. Those people who harmed other people and destroyed property should be prosecuted for what they did... including the DC cops who murdered two, innocent protesters who had done no harm or damage.

Actually there's a lot of direct evidence.

And the issue isn't really the destroyed property or injuries, it's the attempt by a sitting president to remain in power after being voted out of office.  

Most people that fell for the big lie are just more of Trumps victims.

Actually, the election rules for each State are made by the State, and by those people the States delegate to make the rules. So, when those people make the election rules, they are legal election rules. In the case of the swing States, the election rules were unconscionable, even though they were legal. Trump lost through unconscionable election rules that happened to be legal. And it is the fault of the Republican party for not thinking the rules through. Trump didn't lose through popular vote. Rather, he won by a landslide in the popular vote.

Whatever issue(s) there are regarding Jan. 6 don't matter, except if they are on the indictment. Have you never heard of innocent until proven guilty? Just because you want him to be guilty, or just because you believe it when others say he is guilty, an indictment isn't a verdict.

Since you and all the rest of the people haven't brought forth any direct evidence, where is it? Simply dreaming that there is such evidence doesn't make it so. So far, it's all circumstantial, and circumstantial means that there could be other explanations for the evidence and what it shows.

J6 Committee Walks Back Chairman's Claim Of 'No Criminal Referrals'

On Monday evening the chairman of the January 6th committee, Bennie Thompson, told Punchbowl News' John Bresnahan that there would be no criminal referrals for Donald Trump or anyone else following their 'made-for-TV' hearings.

"That’s not our job. Our job is to look at Jan. 6. What caused it and make recommendations after that… We don’t have the authority," said Thompson, adding that the committee will publicly release all documents and materials - including depositions, as part of its public report.

Less than an hour later, RINO J6 committee member Liz Cheney tweeted that they have "not issued a conclusion regarding potential criminal referrals," and "will announce a decision on that at an appropriate time."

Then, Thompson walked back his comments even further through a spokesperson who said that "The Select Committee has no authority to prosecute individuals, but is rather tasked with developing the facts surrounding the January 6th riot at the Capitol…"

"Right now, the committee is focused on presenting our findings to the American people in our hearings and in our report," they continued. "Our investigation is ongoing and we will continue to gather all relevant information as we present facts, offer recommendations and, if warranted, make criminal referrals."

Thompson's initial comments and subsequent walkback are a far cry from J6 Committee member Adam Schiff (D-CA)'s claim that there is "credible evidence" to indict Trump.

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[PrimeNumber7]

The January 6 Select Committee says they have enough evidence
for the Justice Department to pursue a criminal indictment against
Donald Trump for seeking to steal the 2020 election, per AP.

Assuming that is true, which I don't think it is, any evidence gathered by the Jan 6th committee would likely be inadmissible and would likely be considered a "poisonous tree" that no evidence gathered based on any evidence from the Jan 6th committee would be admissible.

Congress has no oversight over private citizens, it is a co-equal branch of government with the executive, and there is not even a "pretend" legleslative purpose for the Jan 6th committee.

[TwitchySeal]

Assuming that is true, which I don't think it is, any evidence gathered by the Jan 6th committee would likely be inadmissible and would likely be considered a "poisonous tree" that no evidence gathered based on any evidence from the Jan 6th committee would be admissible.

Except for all the federal judges and supreme court that have already ruled on the legitimacy of the committee and their subpoenas.  The committee is legitimate.  The subpoenas were lawful. 

Congress has no oversight over private citizens, it is a co-equal branch of government with the executive, and there is not even a "pretend" legleslative purpose for the Jan 6th committee.

The committee is legitimate.  The subpoenas are lawful.  Hopefully there will be laws passed because of it to prevent future sitting presidents that just lost an election from doing what Trump did - and is still doing.

If you're arguing that Congress shouldn't be able to conduct investigations, that's fine.  But, I doubt you had issues with the 911 investigation, or Benghazi, or Watergate  I think you really just don't like Democrats and only consume the Trumpiest media content.

[BADecker]

Assuming that is true, which I don't think it is, any evidence gathered by the Jan 6th committee would likely be inadmissible and would likely be considered a "poisonous tree" that no evidence gathered based on any evidence from the Jan 6th committee would be admissible.

Except for all the federal judges and supreme court that have already ruled on the legitimacy of the committee and their subpoenas.  The committee is legitimate.  The subpoenas were lawful. 

Congress has no oversight over private citizens, it is a co-equal branch of government with the executive, and there is not even a "pretend" legleslative purpose for the Jan 6th committee.

The committee is legitimate.  The subpoenas are lawful.  Hopefully there will be laws passed because of it to prevent future sitting presidents that just lost an election from doing what Trump did - and is still doing.

If you're arguing that Congress shouldn't be able to conduct investigations, that's fine.  But, I doubt you had issues with the 911 investigation, or Benghazi, or Watergate  I think you really just don't like Democrats and only consume the Trumpiest media content.

The vast majority of people in the US are angry with what the media did, and the Dems, in stealing the election from Trump, electronically and in other ways.

Biden and the Dems are the ones who did the coup. And it just happened to succeed to some extent. Now they are afraid that they will lose their coup because of changes being made in the whole election process, changes that will bring back honesty in the way the votes are handled.

So, to avoid losing, they are fighting Trump in every way they can. One of the way's is to blame Trump for the Soros incited Jan. 6 activity. And since they still control much of the media, it will come out in the media that Trump is bad.

For all of you who think Biden is good, haven't you looked at how destructive his policies have been in the US? Real estate is moving fast because the people are moving out of Dem controlled California and other Dem States, and into AZ, TX, and FL. They are moving out because of the Dems and the evil they are causing.

Wake up and straighten the Biden coup out while there is a little USA left.

[TwitchySeal]

The vast majority of people in the US are angry with what the media did, and the Dems, in stealing the election from Trump, electronically and in other ways.

Yeah.  And Biden isn't really president.  He's on a movie set that looks like the White House.  Trump is the real president.  That's why there such a military presence on Bidens inauguration day. And Pelosi was arrested, along with the pope.  And Hillary was running a pedo sex ring out of a pizza shop.  And all the dems will be dead before the next election because they got the covid vaccine.  So you have nothing to worry about.

[sirazimuth]

The vast majority of people in the US are angry with what the media did, and the Dems, in stealing the election from Trump, electronically and in other ways.

Yeah.  And Biden isn't really president.  He's on a movie set that looks like the White House.  Trump is the real president.  That's why there such a military presence on Bidens inauguration day. And Pelosi was arrested, along with the pope.  And Hillary was running a pedo sex ring out of a pizza shop.  And all the dems will be dead before the next election because they got the covid vaccine.  So you have nothing to worry about.

Too right!
I knew if I bumped this thread, my deluded good buddy BADecker would set the record straight!
 

[BADecker]

The vast majority of people in the US are angry with what the media did, and the Dems, in stealing the election from Trump, electronically and in other ways.

Yeah.  And Biden isn't really president.  He's on a movie set that looks like the White House.  Trump is the real president.  That's why there such a military presence on Bidens inauguration day. And Pelosi was arrested, along with the pope.  And Hillary was running a pedo sex ring out of a pizza shop.  And all the dems will be dead before the next election because they got the covid vaccine.  So you have nothing to worry about.

Too right!
I knew if I bumped this thread, my deluded good buddy BADecker would set the record straight!
 

The vast majority of people in America are fed up with the war, and the American poverty that goes with it. They will easily vote Trrump into office, whether or not he is indicted. Trump will make peace between the Ukraine and Russia, and the people know it. Dems are going to be voted out of office if they don't do the people's will in this.

[PrimeNumber7]

Assuming that is true, which I don't think it is, any evidence gathered by the Jan 6th committee would likely be inadmissible and would likely be considered a "poisonous tree" that no evidence gathered based on any evidence from the Jan 6th committee would be admissible.

Except for all the federal judges and supreme court that have already ruled on the legitimacy of the committee and their subpoenas.  The committee is legitimate.  The subpoenas were lawful. 

A citation is needed for this post. Specifically regarding the "legitimacy" of the Jan 6 committee. There have not been any cases heard by the SCOTUS regarding the Jan 6 committee.

[TwitchySeal]

Assuming that is true, which I don't think it is, any evidence gathered by the Jan 6th committee would likely be inadmissible and would likely be considered a "poisonous tree" that no evidence gathered based on any evidence from the Jan 6th committee would be admissible.

Except for all the federal judges and supreme court that have already ruled on the legitimacy of the committee and their subpoenas.  The committee is legitimate.  The subpoenas were lawful.  

A citation is needed for this post. Specifically regarding the "legitimacy" of the Jan 6 committee. There have not been any cases heard by the SCOTUS regarding the Jan 6 committee.

Ok, but next time google it yourself please.

Federal Judge rules subpoena of John Eastman documents valid:

“Congress has previously conducted similar investigations into attacks on our country, such as those of September 11, 2001, and the War of 1812.  In these circumstances, it is reasonable that investigations might reveal evidence of criminal acts or other wrongdoing. … Accordingly, the Select Committee’s subpoena is within its legitimate legislative authority.”

“The public interest here is weighty and urgent. Congress seeks to understand the causes of a grave attack on our nation’s democracy and a near-successful attempt to subvert the will of the voters.”

“Dr. Eastman’s actions clearly fall within the bounds of an investigation into ‘the influencing factors that fomented such an attack on American representative democracy,’”

https://www.cacd.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/documents/Dkt%20195%2C%20Order%20RE%20In%20camera%20review%20of%20Jan.%204-7%2C%202021%20documents.pdf


Federal Judge (appointed by Trump) dismisses RNC lawsuit against Pelosi to block J6 subpoenas:

He dismissed most of the RNCs arguments, including the one you made, that there is no legislative purpose:
“The subpoena’s valid legislative purpose is apparent enough to sustain it against this challenge,”

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.241102/gov.uscourts.dcd.241102.33.0.pdf




SCOTUS denies Trumps attempt to withhold documents subpoenaed by J6 committee using 'executive privilege':

SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES
No. 21A272
DONALD J. TRUMP, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES v. BENNIE G. THOMPSON, IN HIS
OFFICIAL CAPACITY AS CHAIRMAN OF THE UNITED
STATES HOUSE SELECT COMMITTEE TO
INVESTIGATE THE JANUARY 6TH
ATTACK ON THE UNITED STATES
CAPITOL, ET AL.
ON APPLICATION FOR STAY OF MANDATE AND INJUNCTION
PENDING REVIEW
[January 19, 2022]
The application for stay of mandate and injunction pending review presented to THE CHIEF JUSTICE and by him referred to the Court is denied

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21182369-order-21a272

[TwitchySeal]

Former President Donald J. Trump said on Monday that the F.B.I. had searched his Palm Beach, Fla., home and had broken open a safe — an account that, if accurate, would be a dramatic escalation in the various investigations into the former president.

The search, according to two people familiar with the investigation, appeared to be focused on material that Mr. Trump had brought with him to Mar-a-Lago, his private club and residence, after he left the White House. Those boxes contained many pages of classified documents, according to a person familiar with their contents.

Mr. Trump delayed returning 15 boxes of material requested by officials with the National Archives for many months, only doing so when there became a threat of action being taken to retrieve them.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/08/us/politics/trump-fbi-mar-a-lago.html


Could be a completely separate criminal investigation surrounding all the stuff he stole on his way out of the white house....I thought he'd be getting a pass due to the whole trying to overthrow the government thing....Surely all the 'but her emails' people will be equally outraged about Trumps handling of clasified documents right....right?  .......

So I guess it's either time to go visit vlad or announce he's running for President again.

[suchmoon]

Surely all the 'but her emails' people will be equally outraged about Trumps handling of clasified documents right....right?  .......

It's a Chinese hoax, there were no classified documents, and Trump never was a president.

[sirazimuth]

https://www.predictit.org/markets/detail/7774/Will-Donald-Trump-be-indicted-by-Sept-1

[PrimeNumber7]

Could be a completely separate criminal investigation surrounding all the stuff he stole on his way out of the white house....I thought he'd be getting a pass due to the whole trying to overthrow the government thing....Surely all the 'but her emails' people will be equally outraged about Trumps handling of clasified documents right....right?  .......

As President, Trump has the unilateral authority to decide that documents were not classified.

Some of the "classified" documents the national archives says it retrieved previously was a latter from Obama to Trump as Obama was leaving the Presidency, and a letter from NK leader Kim Jun Un, both of which have been public for years.

This raid on a former President that is a political opponent of the current regime is unprecedented in the United States. It is something that is common in third-world countries.

So I guess it's either time to go visit vlad or announce he's running for President again.

Trump threatened to bomb Moscow if Putin tried to invade Ukraine. Biden's energy policy has resulted in the invasion of Ukraine profitable for Putin, even after accounting for sanctions, and Moscow selling gas at below market prices (and the cost of the war itself). It was no mistake that Putin waited for Biden to get into office to start the war.

[yazher]

https://www.predictit.org/markets/detail/7774/Will-Donald-Trump-be-indicted-by-Sept-1

It seems like the raid on his home was just a start to get him into it and we really don't know what the reason for the sudden raid and Trump said, they searching for something as they go to search his safe. I wonder what kind of things they really searching and are the Americans feeling doubt about their current president right now? because it seems like Biden will stop Trump to run for President next election and they're doing all possible ways to prevent him from doing so. He already knows what's the result of the next election because American citizens don't seem to see the current change they really want in this administration.

[BADecker]

Since the raid on Trump's home is against all the history of how past Presidents have been treated, and against how anybody should be treated, it should, and probably will, bolster support for Trump in the elections, even if the FBI finds some dirt in his past. The Dems and Soros are shooting themselves in the foot (head?) by pushing this raid. But of course, almost what choice do they have?

Trump is popular enough to easily win, even though many people who will vote for him don't believe in just everything that he stands for. And Trump is way more prepared for the deeps/dark state this time. They are frantic. That's why they are grasping at straws like this raid.

The crooks in government will fail if Trump is elected. He will wipe them out. So, shooting themselves through the raid doesn't matter to them. If it makes them look worse, oh well. They have to find something that will keep Trump out of the presidency, even if they make something up. Without it, they are essentially dead right now.