Will Trump be indicted ?

[tvbcof]

This is the best news in a while.  Every former prez for quite a number of cycles is easily indictable on a myriad of crimes.  Trump to, although his accusers had to struggle mightily to find something which they themselves were not obviously guilty of as well.

'Protocol' has been broken.   The 'adversary' (in fake WWE terns) screwed Trump out of his 2nd of two terms.  This in part because, most likely, Trump really was something of an outsider to the Repuglicans.  (Hard-core religio-Zionist center mass mostly forced him in.)  Anyway, protocol is protocol, and that's objectionable to break and sets precedent.

Legal harassment of a criminal for their crimes does act as a deterrent, so I, for one, hope that it becomes more the norm in national level politics.  If so, banking and other white-collar crimes will, hopefully, not be that far behind.

That said, actual accountability for crimes would probably be a transient and solvable issue for the class of criminals who run our societies.  It might simply make things drag on in a cyclic manner.  I think a judicial system which mirrors 'direct democracy' or 'free market' would probably provide better and more durable results.

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[OgNasty]

It seems like the entire case against Trump stems from someone breaking an air tight non-disclosure agreement. I don’t think this case goes anywhere but it’s pretty huge news. I think it also opens the door for more political war between the right and left. If you are an American and this makes you happy instead of embarrassed, you probably need to get tested for TDS.

[sirazimuth]

....... If you are an American and this makes you happy instead of embarrassed, you probably need to get tested for TDS.

I've been embarrassed for this country (usa) ever since that clown got elected, and now he just won't go away.
The sooner this pos shyster fades into oblivion in the political theater, the better for this country.
I honestly don't understand why the republican party cannot just wash their hands of this failed player and back a real candidate that has maybe a little bit of integrity and knows how to spell.
Oh yeah... "the moronic uneducated cult of Trump base" 

[suchmoon]

I've been embarrassed for this country (usa) ever since that clown got elected, and now he just won't go away.
The sooner this pos shyster fades into oblivion in the political theater, the better for this country.
I honestly don't understand why the republican party cannot just wash their hands of this failed player and back a real candidate that has maybe a little bit of integrity and knows how to spell.
Oh yeah... "the moronic uneducated cult of Trump base" 

The republican party has been cultivating this base for decades and Trump is a perfect match for it. The system works as designed. Too bad the GOP "designers" were morons too but that's a whole other story.

[TwitchySeal]

It seems like the entire case against Trump stems from someone breaking an air tight non-disclosure agreement. I don’t think this case goes anywhere but it’s pretty huge news. I think it also opens the door for more political war between the right and left. If you are an American and this makes you happy instead of embarrassed, you probably need to get tested for TDS.

It's not the fact that he paid off the porn star to keep quiet about their affair.  There's nothing illegal about that.

It's about Trump having his lawyer create a fake company to pay off the porn star and then being reimbursed through structured payments (with fraudulent business records) from Trump so that they could get away with violating Federal Election finance laws 11 days before the election.

His personal lawyer already served time in prison for his involvement in this specific issue.

Speaking of Michael Cohen, think about this situation from his perspective:

• Trump has Cohen pay off the porn star with a shell company so he can hide it from the FEC.
  
• Trump has Cohen lie to congress about his business deals in Russia after winning the Republican nomination.
  
• Cohen goes to prison for paying the porn star and lying to congress.
  
• Cohen gets out of prison and is subpoenaed by grand jury about Porn Star payments.
  
• Team MAGA loses it's shit and says Cohen is lying and you can't trust anything Cohen says because he was convicted of lying to congress.
  

[sirazimuth]

The republican party has been cultivating this base for decades and Trump is a perfect match for it. The system works as designed. Too bad the GOP "designers" were morons too but that's a whole other story.

This is true, however don't forget in the days when Trump 1st announced his candidacy coming down that escalator, (gag me)
many leading republicans denounced him as a clown or some such thing, and bad for the party.
Of course once he (Trump) caught on amongst the 'base", and they realized he was gaining popularity they all changed their tune and started kissing his ass.
Lindsey Graham comes to mind. What a spineless brown nosing flip flopper.
Though I do give him credit for actually showing up as a guest on The Daily Show.
Probably because Al Franken was hosting and apparently, despite their political differences, they were friends when Franken was a senator.

But I digress... I believe this indictment is just the beginning. A warm up act if you will, just to test the waters for the big one(s) to follow.
To wit, planning a failed insurrection, attempted election interference in Georgia, stealing/not returning classified docs and tax evasion.

A no nonsense explanation of what happens now with the indictment going forward, from a former federal court prosecutor with 30 years experience...

https://youtu.be/Gob8TieQ_ok

[Hispo]

I've been embarrassed for this country (usa) ever since that clown got elected, and now he just won't go away.
The sooner this pos shyster fades into oblivion in the political theater, the better for this country.
I honestly don't understand why the republican party cannot just wash their hands of this failed player and back a real candidate that has maybe a little bit of integrity and knows how to spell.
Oh yeah... "the moronic uneducated cult of Trump base" 

The republican party has been cultivating this base for decades and Trump is a perfect match for it. The system works as designed. Too bad the GOP "designers" were morons too but that's a whole other story.

I do not live in the USA, but I have read that allegedly things within the GOP have changed so much that, some people would dare to say that they miss the old days when the differences between the Democrat party and the Republican party were a matter of policies and arguments on how to get things done. (And actually getting them done).

Again, I may not be as informed as those who live there, but I sincerely do not think the things are are going on nowadays in American politics are supposed to be "normal" if we look back to politics of the 2000's and the first half of 2010's.

People are moving towards both extremes.

[TwitchySeal]

I've been embarrassed for this country (usa) ever since that clown got elected, and now he just won't go away.
The sooner this pos shyster fades into oblivion in the political theater, the better for this country.
I honestly don't understand why the republican party cannot just wash their hands of this failed player and back a real candidate that has maybe a little bit of integrity and knows how to spell.
Oh yeah... "the moronic uneducated cult of Trump base" 

The republican party has been cultivating this base for decades and Trump is a perfect match for it. The system works as designed. Too bad the GOP "designers" were morons too but that's a whole other story.

I do not live in the USA, but I have read that allegedly things within the GOP have changed so much that, some people would dare to say that they miss the old days when the differences between the Democrat party and the Republican party were a matter of policies and arguments on how to get things done. (And actually getting them done).

Again, I may not be as informed as those who live there, but I sincerely do not think the things are are going on nowadays in American politics are supposed to be "normal" if we look back to politics of the 2000's and the first half of 2010's.

People are moving towards both extremes.

Both parties currently view the other as an existential threat to the country and I'm not exaggerating when I say it's as if there are two different realities for those who hate Biden and those who hate Trump.

There is no more conservative party in America anymore, which is not a good thing.  In fact, many of the conservatives that you're thinking of from the Clinton and Bush days openly supported Biden, the democrat, in the 2020 election.

[paxmao]

In this case is probably not as much about the overwhelming evidence, which I am sure is there and I am sure much more could be brought for many other counts, since Trump is so clearly a "creative tax payer". On this case it is a lot about being able to effectively judge someone who has such an immense (and for me difficult to understand) support from the grassroots and the big money.

The tentacles are all over, and they probably can destroy anyone trying to do the right thing

[Xinarae*]

~snip~
Both parties currently view the other as an existential threat to the country and I'm not exaggerating when I say it's as if there are two different realities for those who hate Biden and those who hate Trump.

There is no more conservative party in America anymore, which is not a good thing.  In fact, many of the conservatives that you're thinking of from the Clinton and Bush days openly supported Biden, the democrat, in the 2020 election.

I agree with you that it's a bit complicated to predict America and America's internal politics, I also agree with you that Biden won the 2020 election by coincidence, people who didn't support him before also supported Biden, many wrote about it in the newspaper. it will be very difficult to judge good or bad but it can be said that the 2020 election in America was an exceptional religious election which will be remembered in history.

[sirazimuth]

......

People are moving towards both extremes.

Both parties currently view the other as an existential threat to the country and I'm not exaggerating when I say it's as if there are two different realities for those who hate Biden and those who hate Trump.

There is no more conservative party in America anymore, which is not a good thing.  In fact, many of the conservatives that you're thinking of from the Clinton and Bush days openly supported Biden, the democrat, in the 2020 election.

Excuse me for somewhat wandering off my topic of the Trump indictment, but to address your point.....

People are moving towards both extremes.

Yes, this has been going on ever since the dawn of the internet and social media has enabled/allowed communities of folks with political pre-conceived notions,
regardless of how irrational they are on a purely factual level, to gather together in a virtual setting, multiply, bolster and amplify/broadcast their beliefs.
Its a feedback loop. And here we are today with understandably folks on both extreme sides of the political spectrum
living in their respective internet reality bubbles, squawking at each other. Both sides thinking the other side are crazy. Its a sad state of affairs.
I myself try to stay being a common sense center of the roader, not straying to one extreme or the other, and risk falling into the ditches of fringe nonsense, this forum being a prime example.
 (Don't get me wrong, this place keeps me well amused)...

And to stay on topic, Tuesday looks like an interesting day as arraignment happens, but I rather doubt there will be a handcuffed Trump "perp walk" but if there is, the internet will probably explode.




 

'Hey, Michael, I'm not sure I should take your word on all of this, because Republicans have attacked your credibility,' what would you tell them?"

"I'm not asking you to take me for my credibility," he replied. "Let the documents and the evidence speak for itself."

 "Why do you think Republicans, at least many of them, keep staying with Trump?"

"They're in the cult," Cohen replied. "And I know what it's like to be in the cult.
"It's time to wash your eyes and to see exactly who Donald Trump is," he said.
"It's time to start to listen to the truth. See, that's the problem: Donald Trump doesn't tell the truth, ever. Ever.
Everything that he says is either a mis-exaggeration, misinformation, disinformation, malinformation, or just a blatant lie.

And that information is all done in order to benefit one person, and one person only, and that's him."

ya think?

[Hispo]

I've been embarrassed for this country (usa) ever since that clown got elected, and now he just won't go away.
The sooner this pos shyster fades into oblivion in the political theater, the better for this country.
I honestly don't understand why the republican party cannot just wash their hands of this failed player and back a real candidate that has maybe a little bit of integrity and knows how to spell.
Oh yeah... "the moronic uneducated cult of Trump base" 

The republican party has been cultivating this base for decades and Trump is a perfect match for it. The system works as designed. Too bad the GOP "designers" were morons too but that's a whole other story.

I do not live in the USA, but I have read that allegedly things within the GOP have changed so much that, some people would dare to say that they miss the old days when the differences between the Democrat party and the Republican party were a matter of policies and arguments on how to get things done. (And actually getting them done).

Again, I may not be as informed as those who live there, but I sincerely do not think the things are are going on nowadays in American politics are supposed to be "normal" if we look back to politics of the 2000's and the first half of 2010's.

People are moving towards both extremes.

Both parties currently view the other as an existential threat to the country and I'm not exaggerating when I say it's as if there are two different realities for those who hate Biden and those who hate Trump.

There is no more conservative party in America anymore, which is not a good thing.  In fact, many of the conservatives that you're thinking of from the Clinton and Bush days openly supported Biden, the democrat, in the 2020 election.

Yes, I have noticed on the internet, people from both parties continue to antagonize each other more and more as time passes.
Also, Bush was rather a quite strong economic conservative, if I recall correctly, I did not know those who supported him back in the day would move onto supporting Biden today, because their policies are rather different.

By the way, I am sure this division is being look very closely by adversaries like Russia and China, since they aim to weaken USA and there is no doubt there is in their interest for the American population to continue fighting each other, more violently if possible...

[DooMAD]

34 Felony counts.  Guessing at least a few of those are gonna stick.

[estenity]

34 Felony counts.  Guessing at least a few of those are gonna stick.

ridiculous,
political circus at its best.

next episode in december !! we will be in full preparation of election..
very special laws in the us...

[TwitchySeal]

34 Felony counts.  Guessing at least a few of those are gonna stick.

ridiculous,
political circus at its best.
press conference after indictment on dem interference by "fat" D.A.
next episode in december !! we will be in full preparation of election..
very special laws in the us...

The illegal porn star payments will be forgotten  if charges for stealing secret documents or any of the many ways he tried to cheat his way out of losing the election drop.

Today is just an amuse-bouche.  Was really hoping for a mug shot.  :/

[sirazimuth]

Today is just an amuse-bouche.  Was really hoping for a mug shot.  :/

And a cuffed perp walk would have been fitting, but we all
knew that wasn’t happening.  

Stephen Colbert commenting on a video that’s shows Trump entering the courthouse and the door wasn’t held open for him…

Wow, that’s kinda special…It’s not often you see a door hitting an ass on the way in…

[OgNasty]

I heard they were spending upwards of 200 million dollars on this Trump arrest nonsense. When you review the facts about a non-disclosure agreement and statute of limitations it’s actually a bit shocking that it’s gone as far as it has. As we watch the United States behave less and less like a serious nation, the future looks darker than ever.

[TwitchySeal]

[tvbcof]

Ever since the non-denials of the Stormy Daniels thing years ago, I figured that Trump had some pretty deviant stuff hidden in his closet.  Probably run-of-the-mill Kabbahalistic/Frankist stuff which can still, even in today's Overton window frame phase, shock most people.  Stuff like dead interns found on the desk like fellow practitioners who host MSNBC shows.

Should something utward pop up, the Trump-tard groupies can easily have their attention focused on a conspicuously of-age professional sex worker and stay in the (perfectly valid) bubble that it's simply no big deal to commission the services of such a professional.  Trump never marketed himself as a paragon of wholesome virtue, and only a fraction of his most ardent groupies can make that square peg fit.

I'm going to estimate that this next cycle might be when a primary goals of installing one of the openly Chabad-Lubavitch Kushner's as POTUS will takes place.  Possibly as a last-minute swap-out for DJTrump after some sort of tragedy/insult to the poor old fella.  Correspondingly the Dems will put up someone even more flawed than Biden (if there exists such a person), or maybe even Biden again to make sure that the stage is set.

I was watching closely and personally in the lead-up to 2016 and the Kushners were being groomed at that point.  And well accepted by my ultra-liberal friends/family.  Nothing they've done since would be destructive to their appeal among the Libs, and in fact they can be painted as 'nation saving' counter-weights to Trump's malign presence during his 4-year term.  I mean, the Libtards could certainly be programmed to that line of thinking if they are not already.

Maybe Ivanka will do a 'me-too' moment and claim sexual assault by DJ (which well could be true.)  That would win 50% of the Trumpophobe woke-tards right there.

[BADecker]

Ever since the non-denials of the Stormy Daniels thing years ago, I figured that Trump had some pretty deviant stuff hidden in his closet.  Probably run-of-the-mill Kabbahalistic/Frankist stuff which can still, even in today's Overton window frame phase, shock most people.  Stuff like dead interns found on the desk like fellow practitioners who host MSNBC shows.

Should something utward pop up, the Trump-tard groupies can easily have their attention focused on a conspicuously of-age professional sex worker and stay in the (perfectly valid) bubble that it's simply no big deal to commission the services of such a professional.  Trump never marketed himself as a paragon of wholesome virtue, and only a fraction of his most ardent groupies can make that square peg fit.

I'm going to estimate that this next cycle might be when a primary goals of installing one of the openly Chabad-Lubavitch Kushner's as POTUS will takes place.  Possibly as a last-minute swap-out for DJTrump after some sort of tragedy/insult to the poor old fella.  Correspondingly the Dems will put up someone even more flawed than Biden (if there exists such a person), or maybe even Biden again to make sure that the stage is set.

I was watching closely and personally in the lead-up to 2016 and the Kushners were being groomed at that point.  And well accepted by my ultra-liberal friends/family.  Nothing they've done since would be destructive to their appeal among the Libs, and in fact they can be painted as 'nation saving' counter-weights to Trump's malign presence during his 4-year term.  I mean, the Libtards could certainly be programmed to that line of thinking if they are not already.

Maybe Ivanka will do a 'me-too' moment and claim sexual assault by DJ (which well could be true.)  That would win 50% of the Trumpophobe woke-tards right there.

At least Biden is more honest that^^ way. Biden doesn't care what people know about him. He keeps right on going with wars and inflation and whatever other bad.

Trump tried to cover his 'bad' up with doing good things for the nation.

Besides, if the leaders are this bad, think of how bad the rest of the people must be.