Will Trump be indicted ?

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https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/06/09/us/trump-indictment-document-annotated.html



yikes

Well, it seems this is worse than anyone could imagine. One thing is to store nuclear secrets or foreign adversaries on your desktop, but doing so with your own countries' nuclear information and possible vulnerabilities of your homeland and your allies is a completely different story.

If this can be proven to be the case, I could see a real (although small) possibility of Trump actually spending time behind bars... Other people have been labelled traitor for lesser stuff than this in the United States.

This is not a letter from the North Korean dictator.

Trump has an easy-out:  Just say he or one of his people was gathering the info for Israel's national security.  Neither side will say anything more about it than they did when Israeli IMSI-catchers where found to be plying the political quarters of the nation's capital under Trump's watch.  That is to say, nothing.

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[BADecker]

Good thing that the Dems stole the election from Kari Lake in Arizona. Now she has the freedom to support Trump while she is preparing her own case for the Supreme Court.


WATCH: “I HATE Joe Biden’s Administration. It’s a Fraudulent, Illegitimate Administration” – Kari Lake Slams Mike Pence, Responds to Trump Indictment, Calls On GOP Presidential Candidates to DROP OUT OF RACE


https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/06/watch-i-hate-joe-bidens-administration-its-fraudulent/
Kari Lake responded to President Trump's highly politicized indictment yesterday on Sebastian Gorka's show ahead of her big appearance at the Georgia GOP convention.

The Gateway Pundit reported that Kari Lake is headed to Miami for President Trump's arraignment on Tuesday to support him in his fight against the radical Marxist Biden Regime.

Kari Lake also released a statement yesterday calling President Trump's latest indictment "the most blatant act of election interference in our nation's history." Lake further called on the Republican Party to "unite to save our country from this historic corruption and work to return President Donald J. Trump to the White House in 2024."
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[sirazimuth]

snipped bollocks

Hey Bud, I don't give a rat's ass about sore loser Kari Lake and her delusions and blatant lies that have completely bamboozled the likes of credulous nut cases like you.
Go start another thread about it.
Stop polluting this thread with your usual nonsense links and maybe comment on why Trumps indictments are/are not valid.

[TwitchySeal]

Trump had the ultimate authority to declassify the documents in question. It would be stupid for Trump to not declassify a document he intended to bring to his home -- it is trivial for him to declassify a document.

As president, Trump has the authority to declassify documents as he chooses. The documents in question were declassified. The question of if this was appropriate is a political one, not a legal one. Luckily, Trump will likely be on the ballet in two years, so voters can decide if this was appropriate or not. Both Biden and Obama have/had similar authority currently/when he was president.

[Laughter]

[Hispo]

Well, tomorrow is the day we will see history in the making, regardless you are a Trump supporter or not.
The first former president of the United states to be Federally charged with a crime, what a time to be alive, this is the kind of stuff what will appear in the history books and kids will study in the future in high schools.  

It would be funny if Trump did not show up at court and a manhunt was issued but we all know he is intelligent to realize that that won't help him in his political ambitions. Also, those transcripts are simply unreal, how someone can talk about classified documents so lightly... specially those about attacks on adversaries and military weaknesses.

[BADecker]

Looks like Trump was legal in keeping the records and documents, after all. The 'Presidential Records Act' allows the President to keep any government records as personal records, as long as he removes them from government while he is in office. This was adjudicated to be so in a case where Clinton did this.

What the whole thing means is that everybody who raided Mar-a-Lago, did so as theft and invasion of privacy, against the 4th Amendment. It will be interesting to see if Trump files against them.

Also, see http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/345377-2023-06-15-is-this-proof-the-trump-indictment-is-a-scam.htm and the Youtube video there.


Trump Dismantles Sham Indictment By Criminal Democrats


https://banned.video/watch?id=648a40a547c3b95f250599f0
Trump made the extraordinary remarks during a rally in Bedminster, New Jersey, following his unprecedented arraignment in Miami, Florida over federal charges related to classified documents at Mar-a-Lago.
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[TwitchySeal]

Looks like Trump was legal in keeping the records and documents, after all. The 'Presidential Records Act' allows the President to keep any government records as personal records, as long as he removes them from government while he is in office. This was adjudicated to be so in a case where Clinton did this.

Bill Clinton kept an audio journal in his sock drawer. 

When Republicans found out they sued him for it, claiming the tapes belonged to the office.

A judge ruled that the personal journal was a personal record, which was defined in an ammendment to the Presidential record act.

Here's the definition

§2201. Definitions

(3) The term "personal records" means all documentary materials, or any reasonably segregable portion therof,2 of a purely private or nonpublic character which do not relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President. Such term includes—

(A) diaries, journals, or other personal notes serving as the functional equivalent of a diary or journal which are not prepared or utilized for, or circulated or communicated in the course of, transacting Government business;

(B) materials relating to private political associations, and having no relation to or direct effect upon the carrying out of constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President; and

(C) materials relating exclusively to the President's own election to the office of the Presidency; and materials directly relating to the election of a particular individual or individuals to Federal, State, or local office, which have no relation to or direct effect upon the carrying out of constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President.

https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title44/chapter22&edition=prelim



Here's a list the documents he's being charged for keeping, hiding from the FBI, lying about hiding them, etc...








Here's a picture of how some of them were stored at his beach club in florida:









“WE CAN’T HAVE SOMEONE IN THE OVAL OFFICE WHO DOESN’T UNDERSTAND THE MEANING OF THE WORD ‘CONFIDENTIAL’ OR ‘CLASSIFIED.’”
- Donald J. Trump

[BADecker]

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“WE CAN’T HAVE SOMEONE IN THE OVAL OFFICE WHO DOESN’T UNDERSTAND THE MEANING OF THE WORD ‘CONFIDENTIAL’ OR ‘CLASSIFIED.’”
- Donald J. Trump

Exactly what Trump was attempting to do. Then Biden used some of his stolen authority to steal docs that had been 'confidential' and 'classified' documents... docs that Trump was trying to maintain safely away from Biden who doesn't understand the meaning of 'confidential' or classified'.

We all can see by Biden's corrupt activity in office, that even if Trump did some kind of hand-slap wrong, that Biden is a thousand times worse in his directing of the country, and sharing 'confidential' and 'classified' documents with enemies and potential enemies... exactly the thing that Trump was trying to protect us from.

Thanks for the Trump advertising, though.

[BADecker]

You can't easily tell, of course, if this guy flipped his position because he knows that Trump will win. It could all have to do with switching sides to keep from being prosecuted by Trump (as much) later. But maybe he is an honest guy, and just couldn't take the criminal Biden operations any longer.


Top FBI Deep Stater Who Played Key Role in Trump Raid FLIPS -- Admits FBI Search Was Illegal


https://needtoknow.news/2023/06/top-fbi-deep-stater-who-played-key-role-in-trump-raid-flips-admits-fbi-search-was-illegal/
The official in question is Steven D'Antuono, a particularly notable whistleblower given the integral role he played in the kidnapping entrapment plot of Gov. Gretchen Whitmer (D-Mich.), which earned him a promotion as Assistant Director in Charge of the FBI Washington Field Office (WFO) in 2020.

D'Antuono's office subsequently quarterbacked the mass arrests and prosecutions of hundreds of Trump supporters following the January 6 protests.

In a letter sent to Attorney General Merrick Garland on Thursday, Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) claimed D'Antuono voluntarily came forward to the House Judiciary Committee to reveal his objections with how the bureau executed the raid of Mar-a-Lago.

"On June 7, 2023—days before the reported indictment of former President Trump—the Committee conducted a transcribed interview of Steven D'Antuono," Jordan wrote.

"Mr. D'Antuono served as the former Assistant Director in Charge of the FBI's Washington Field Office (WFO) and one of the most senior FBI officials in charge of effectuating the unprecedented raid of President Trump's residence at Mar-a-Lago. During his testimony, Mr. D'Antuono expressed strong concerns with the Department's pursuit of the raid and noted several unusual features in the Department's handling of the case."
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[sirazimuth]

Indictment #3 incoming shortly…
https://youtu.be/ncqIJFfHlKc
And then #4 (Georgia election interference) is due in August.
And this criminal is apparently the GOP presidential frontrunner.
He ain’t going to the Whitehouse. He’s going to the jail house.
Then once this failed crook is in jail, he’ll be looking to sell
the insurrection movie rights to the highest Hollywood bidder, because of course he will.
(be going to jail that is)

[BADecker]

There's nothing that says a President can't pardon himself... or rule from jail if he wants.

Of course, indictments aren't convictions. Besides they can go both ways.

As corrupt Biden destroys America and the world, his activity just might wake people up to the fact that the real big bad lies with Biden... that Trump is almost like an angel when compared with Biden. However, if the people won't wake up, Biden will destroy them. It's happening right now, and you can see it in the state of the economy.

[sirazimuth]

There's nothing that says a President can't pardon himself... or rule from jail if he wants.

Of course, indictments aren't convictions. Besides they can go both ways.

As corrupt Biden destroys America and the world, his activity just might wake people up to the fact that the real big bad lies with Biden... that Trump is almost like an angel when compared with Biden. However, if the people won't wake up, Biden will destroy them. It's happening right now, and you can see it in the state of the economy.

How did I know you would be 1st to reply to my comment Bud?
And of course like all typical deluded Trump cultists, (for that matter, all the GOP Trump spineless toadie politicians, with not an ounce of integrity, but just pander to their ignorant base... Lindsey Graham comes to mind)
you didn't address  the substance of the indictments and whether or not you think they are valid, and why. Because you cant.
You just deflect off into Biden whataboutism. Pathetic. Keep living in your Trump fascist dictator fantasy land, Bud. You seem to want that. To hell with democracy. I wonder what your imaginary friend thinks of your behavior? But hey, I will give you credit for not babbling on incessantly about Hunter Biden's laptop.

BTW, When Trump gets convicted of insurrection crimes, by law, he will be barred from ever holding office again.
Also federal pardons don't work on state crimes.

[BADecker]

There's nothing that says a President can't pardon himself... or rule from jail if he wants.

Of course, indictments aren't convictions. Besides they can go both ways.

As corrupt Biden destroys America and the world, his activity just might wake people up to the fact that the real big bad lies with Biden... that Trump is almost like an angel when compared with Biden. However, if the people won't wake up, Biden will destroy them. It's happening right now, and you can see it in the state of the economy.

How did I know you would be 1st to reply to my comment Bud?
And of course like all typical deluded Trump cultists, (for that matter, all the GOP Trump spineless toadie politicians, with not an ounce of integrity, but just pander to their ignorant base... Lindsey Graham comes to mind)
you didn't address  the substance of the indictments and whether or not you think they are valid, and why. Because you cant.
You just deflect off into Biden whataboutism. Pathetic. Keep living in your Trump fascist dictator fantasy land, Bud. You seem to want that. To hell with democracy. I wonder what your imaginary friend thinks of your behavior? But hey, I will give you credit for not babbling on incessantly about Hunter Biden's laptop.

BTW, When Trump gets convicted of insurrection crimes, by law, he will be barred from ever holding office again.
Also federal pardons don't work on state crimes.

Of course I can't address the substance of the indictments. Nobody can. There isn't any.

The closest thing to substance for the indictments is the reason why they exist. They simply are there to cover up the criminality of Biden and certain government officials, and to attempt to keep Trump out of office.

All of the J6 accusations are simply illegal political warfare in ways that honest people don't fight.

The wicked Dems and the Biden team better win 2024. If they don't, they will be destroyed by the honest people of America and the world... among whom Trump is one of the best.


Top Republicans Jump To Trump's Defense Over Imminent 'Arrest And Indictment'


https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trump-expects-arrest-and-indictment-over-january-6th
"Recently President Trump went up in the polls and was actually surpassing President Biden for reelection. So what do they do now? Weaponize government to go after their No. 1 opponent," House Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) told reporters on Tuesday, following Trump's announcement that her would likely be "indicted and arrested" soon over his alleged role in January 6th.

"This is not equal justice. They treat people differently and they go after their adversaries," McCarthy continued.

House Majority Leader Steve Scalise (R-LA) also came to Trump's defense, noting that the news comes as the House Oversight Committee is slated to hear testimony from two IRS whistleblowers who alleged that an investigation into Hunter Biden was stonewalled by prosecutors.

"Now you see the Biden administration going after President Trump once again, it begs that question — is there a double standard? Is justice being administered equally?" asked Scalise at the House GOP conference presser.

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) also chimed in, saying that the charges are "ridiculous," and that special counsel Jack Smith is "weaponizing" the DOJ against Trump.

"If this is the direction America is going — we are worse than Russia, we are worse than China. We are worse than some of the most corrupt third world countries, and this needs to end," she said, adding "It's an absolute lie."

Greene also called Smith a "weak little bitch" on Twitter.
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[Hispo]

Indictment #3 incoming shortly…
https://youtu.be/ncqIJFfHlKc
And then #4 (Georgia election interference) is due in August.
And this criminal is apparently the GOP presidential frontrunner.
He ain’t going to the Whitehouse. He’s going to the jail house.
Then once this failed crook is in jail, he’ll be looking to sell
the insurrection movie rights to the highest Hollywood bidder, because of course he will.
(be going to jail that is)

To be honest, the indictments and arrests do not seem to have much of a negative impact on the polls, regarding the changes Trump has to get the presidency.
And how the percentages stand, he easily will get the Republican nomination.. since I am well aware that most of people in the United States is reasonable, he likely won't get the presidency, so he will claim to be a victim of electoral fraud again, further dividing the country.

Whether he wins or lose, he will further damage what is supposed to be one of the best democracies on the planet. I still don't believe he will spend a night in prison after all this has ended, though.

[BADecker]

Indictment #3 incoming shortly…
https://youtu.be/ncqIJFfHlKc
And then #4 (Georgia election interference) is due in August.
And this criminal is apparently the GOP presidential frontrunner.
He ain’t going to the Whitehouse. He’s going to the jail house.
Then once this failed crook is in jail, he’ll be looking to sell
the insurrection movie rights to the highest Hollywood bidder, because of course he will.
(be going to jail that is)

To be honest, the indictments and arrests do not seem to have much of a negative impact on the polls, regarding the changes Trump has to get the presidency.
And how the percentages stand, he easily will get the Republican nomination.. since I am well aware that most of people in the United States is reasonable, he likely won't get the presidency, so he will claim to be a victim of electoral fraud again, further dividing the country.

Whether he wins or lose, he will further damage what is supposed to be one of the best democracies on the planet. I still don't believe he will spend a night in prison after all this has ended, though.

To be honest, it doesn't seem like the polls have much of an impact on the outcome of the election. If they did,
Trump would be in office right now, and
we wouldn't have any war between Russia and Ukraine, and
the prices of gasoline and food, etc., would be lower than they were in 2019, and
Fauci and Birx and a bunch of other doctors would be going to prison (Covid lies), and
the border wall would have been extended to keep illegals out, and
America would be going into production rather than buying from China, and
a whole bunch of other good things that fall into the class of Making America Great Again would be going on.

[TwitchySeal]

if the people won't wake up, Biden will destroy them. It's happening right now, and you can see it in the state of the economy.

U.S. Economic Growth Accelerates, Defying Slowdown Expectations
Economy grew 2.4% last quarter, suggesting the U.S. is steering clear of recession
https://www.wsj.com/articles/us-gdp-report-economic-growth-92482437

The US economy is doing way better than the rest of the rich world
-The US is performing much better than many other wealthy nations when comparing economic growth and inflation rates.
-The US had the highest GDP growth since the start of the pandemic among the G7 countries, an informal group of industrialized democracies.
-This data further suggests the US is not heading toward a recession.
https://www.businessinsider.com/us-economy-doing-way-better-than-rest-of-rich-world-2023-7

Unemployment Rate At or Near Record Lows in Half of US States
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-07-21/jobless-rates-in-half-of-us-states-are-at-or-near-record-low

[sirazimuth]

..... I still don't believe he will spend a night in prison after all this has ended, though.

I beg to differ. Why, he's even checking out his new outfits (and Jesus sandals too, but no pic of that... yet) he will be sporting at The Club Fed...



Ah... apparently he likes the onesie...

[Gyfts]

Trump has spent 40 million USD of PAC money on legal fees in the last 6 months: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/29/us/trump-pac-legal-fees.html

56M in the last three years. His lawyers must love him. Repeat customer.

[paxmao]

Trump has spent 40 million USD of PAC money on legal fees in the last 6 months: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/29/us/trump-pac-legal-fees.html

56M in the last three years. His lawyers must love him. Repeat customer.

And that is only the beginning, but my guess is that he is getting that money from somewhere. I just could not ever vote for someone for any office if they cannot disclose how do they make many and how much. If you need to keep your economy in private, just do not run for a public office which is about serving others, not yourself.

[BADecker]

if the people won't wake up, Biden will destroy them. It's happening right now, and you can see it in the state of the economy.

U.S. Economic Growth Accelerates, Defying Slowdown Expectations
Economy grew 2.4% last quarter, suggesting the U.S. is steering clear of recession
https://www.wsj.com/articles/us-gdp-report-economic-growth-92482437

The US economy is doing way better than the rest of the rich world
-The US is performing much better than many other wealthy nations when comparing economic growth and inflation rates.
-The US had the highest GDP growth since the start of the pandemic among the G7 countries, an informal group of industrialized democracies.
-This data further suggests the US is not heading toward a recession.
https://www.businessinsider.com/us-economy-doing-way-better-than-rest-of-rich-world-2023-7

Unemployment Rate At or Near Record Lows in Half of US States
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-07-21/jobless-rates-in-half-of-us-states-are-at-or-near-record-low

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https://i.gyazo.com/7b99e1ddff52e943aa0178507a235e8d.png

Thank you. Exactly what I mean. These piddly little examples of barely any beneficial improvements, are essentially disasters when you consider the greatness that Trump was making America. How can you tell? Go to the grocery store, and compare the prices of food with Trump days. Or look at the price of gasoline. Or look at inflation in all the things that people buy.

Trump was avoiding war. But the way Biden is making war in the Ukraine shows us that Biden and his cronies are the ones causing inflation. How? By borrowing more money from the Fed, and putting it into the economy by giving it to Ukraine. If a president needs to borrow money, why not give it to the American people to offset inflation?

How does more money make more inflation? More money means less value to each dollar. Since people don't generally eat money, the value of the food they DO eat remains constant. It's the money that devalues, so that food seems to cost more.

Now, I'll be fair. Nobody can see the future. And nobody can tell what would have happened if Trump had a second term. Things might have gone bad. But we sure can see what is happening with Biden getting a first term. Things have for-a-fact gone bad... and way, way, worse than Trump could have made them if he tried.

I know that you are not that dense. You know this stuff without me telling it to you. So, are you simply a troll?


GOP Senators Are Horrified That Their Voters Support the Bad Orange Man


https://www.americanlibertyreportnews.com/articles/gop-senators-are-horrified-that-their-voters-support-the-bad-orange-man/
If we don't knock it off with our insurrections and our desire for clean elections, peace and prosperity for our families, they're just going to pick up their toys and leave.

We should welcome this long-awaited transparency, because it means that the days of these RINOs are now officially numbered.

The Hill did a series of interviews with Republican Senators about how very upset they are with their own voter base. The article is titled, "GOP senators rattled by radical conservative populism."

If you think that the Republicans you vote to send to the US Senate are supposed to represent your interests, you are the radical to these people. If you've always kind of suspected that many Republican Senators hate their own voters, this should make it crystal clear.
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