Will Trump be indicted ?

[sirazimuth]

Looks like the inevitable Georgia indictment #4 is dropping this week.
Here is a really interesting breakdown of the election interference/ fake electors investigation and what has been uncovered.
Complete with videos of the server room break in, texts, etc. This is better than Watergate and way more evidence.
No stone was left unturned. Kudos to Fani Willis and her team for exposing this RICO crime.

https://youtu.be/_mkt7bqulMc

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[BADecker]

Anybody could indict anybody for dropping a gum wrapper in a parking lot. The indictments against Trump might sound way more important than a gum wrapper, but they really aren't. They are politics, designed to keep him out of the Presidency 2024. Election interference, and they know it.

[sirazimuth]

Is that all you got Bud?
No links to laughable lunacy right wing nut websites?
I swear you stalk me here just to see your name as the last poster on the top threads on this board.
Pathetic.
Your hero and savior is going to jail.
Deal with it.
Maybe pray to your imaginary friend to help him or something.

[BADecker]

Is that all you got Bud?
No links to laughable lunacy right wing nut websites?
I swear you stalk me here just to see your name as the last poster on the top threads on this board.
Pathetic.
Your hero and savior is going to jail.
Deal with it.
Maybe pray to your imaginary friend to help him or something.

Oh, don't worry so much. If you study it a solid 2 or 3 hours a day, you'll surely have it figured out by the time the Ukraine war is over.

[TwitchySeal]

Anybody could indict anybody for dropping a gum wrapper in a parking lot.

The criminal justice system in badeckerville is very different from the real world.

[BADecker]

Anybody could indict anybody for dropping a gum wrapper in a parking lot.

The criminal justice system in badeckerville is very different from the real world.

The criminal justice system in America is very different than the one dictated by the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

[DooMAD]

The criminal justice system in America is very different than the one dictated by the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

I wasn't aware that the Constitution and Bill of Rights said election tampering was okay to do.   

[sirazimuth]

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Oh, don't worry so much. ....

Worry??  You think I'm worrying because DT is going to jail?!?  I'm rejoicing that justice is finally being served, two and a half years after I started this thread.
You are projecting, Bud, just like your beloved leader (of the cult you are a  proud and deluded member of) does.

[BADecker]

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Oh, don't worry so much. ....

Worry??  You think I'm worrying because DT is going to jail?!?  I'm rejoicing that justice is finally is being served, two and a half years after I started this thread.
You are projecting, Bud, just like your beloved leader (of the cult you are a  proud and deluded member of) does.

Even if the unlikely happens and he is found guilty somewhere, he'll just pardon himself after 2024. But he'll be taking the deep state down.

[paxmao]

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Oh, don't worry so much. ....

Worry??  You think I'm worrying because DT is going to jail?!?  I'm rejoicing that justice is finally is being served, two and a half years after I started this thread.
You are projecting, Bud, just like your beloved leader (of the cult you are a  proud and deluded member of) does.

Even if the unlikely happens and he is found guilty somewhere, he'll just pardon himself after 2024. But he'll be taking the deep state down.

That is another widespread lie. If Trumps is found guilty, it would be just unheard of a convict to hold the presidency of the US, but in theory it is possible. Curiously, the constitution of the US allows it BUT and this is the BUT:

Legal experts have pointed to the 14th Amendment as a way to keep Trump from holding office if he is convicted, which includes a “disqualification clause” that bars anyone from holding public office if they “have engaged in insurrection or rebellion” or “given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.”

So, sorry to break the news to you, but if he is found guilty (I would say when, not if) or promoting an insurrection - which he did very publicly - he would be disqualified from presidency.

However there are other reasons - donors are unlikely to give money to a convict and many Republicans say in the polls that they would not vote for Trump if found guilty.

[BADecker]

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Oh, don't worry so much. ....

Worry??  You think I'm worrying because DT is going to jail?!?  I'm rejoicing that justice is finally is being served, two and a half years after I started this thread.
You are projecting, Bud, just like your beloved leader (of the cult you are a  proud and deluded member of) does.

Even if the unlikely happens and he is found guilty somewhere, he'll just pardon himself after 2024. But he'll be taking the deep state down.

That is another widespread lie. If Trumps is found guilty, it would be just unheard of a convict to hold the presidency of the US, but in theory it is possible. Curiously, the constitution of the US allows it BUT and this is the BUT:

Legal experts have pointed to the 14th Amendment as a way to keep Trump from holding office if he is convicted, which includes a “disqualification clause” that bars anyone from holding public office if they “have engaged in insurrection or rebellion” or “given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.”

So, sorry to break the news to you, but if he is found guilty (I would say when, not if) or promoting an insurrection - which he did very publicly - he would be disqualified from presidency.

However there are other reasons - donors are unlikely to give money to a convict and many Republicans say in the polls that they would not vote for Trump if found guilty.

The thing that you are missing is that the election will be over before Trump gets convicted... if he is convicted. Right now there are legal battles being prepared against the prosecution for interfering with an election process. These preparations will at least stall the court way longer than the close of the 2024 election.

As you say, this kind of thing hasn't happened before... criminally convicting a sitting President. It might take a new Amendment to for the minority to get Trump out. But the majority might see to it that Trump stays IN through the new Amendment.

Besides, the prosecution might simply be fumbling for something to make Trump look bad. Trump could counter indict and totally destroy the court and its officers for messing with the court rules.


Fulton Flip-Flops On 'Fictitious' RICO Document - Now Claims 'Trial Run'


https://www.zerohedge.com/political/georgia-da-about-charge-trump-new-rico-indictment
Now, the Fulton County court clerk's office has issued a new statement, calling it a "sample working document," which was a "mishap," and a "trial run."

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Fulton County court clerk’s office issues statement on the posting of a list of charges against Trump before the grand jury vote, which they yesterday referred to as a “fictitious document”

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Which still doesn't explain how it could have been generated and uploaded before the Grand Jury convened to vote on the charges.
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[TwitchySeal]

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Oh, don't worry so much. ....

Worry??  You think I'm worrying because DT is going to jail?!?  I'm rejoicing that justice is finally is being served, two and a half years after I started this thread.
You are projecting, Bud, just like your beloved leader (of the cult you are a  proud and deluded member of) does.

Even if the unlikely happens and he is found guilty somewhere, he'll just pardon himself after 2024. But he'll be taking the deep state down.

He may be able to pardon himself in the federal cases.  If he gets elected, and the supreme Court decides a president can pardon himself.

He won't have the authority to pardon himself in the Georgia case though.

[TwitchySeal]

Which still doesn't explain how it could have been generated and uploaded before the Grand Jury convened to vote on the charges.
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Indictment is drafted before the grand jury votes.

Jury votes.

Indictment is edited if jry votes to convict on some but not all charges.

Jury foreman signs indictment and it's sent to judge.

[OgNasty]

This Trump situation is honestly one of the most embarrassing moments in American history. If we’re truly going to go down this path where government agencies try to jail candidates that don’t agree with their views then we are no better than 3rd world countries. I’m scared for a future where nobody is safe from corrupt government actions.

[TwitchySeal]

This Trump situation is honestly one of the most embarrassing moments in American history.

Agree. 

But and the worst part isn't  the permanent damage he's done to American intelligence agencies standing among our allies by hording documents and sharing war plans with writers a year after leaving office.

And not because he keeps pretending like he actually won an election he obviously lost and it wasn't even close.

It's not even the fact he keeps spreading ridiculous lies about the election, or attacking innocent election workers that have to go into hiding.

The most embarrassing part is how many Americans are so weak minded that they believe enough of what he says that he's likely going to be the gop nominee.

America looks like it's full of badeckers to the rest of the world.

[Hispo]

The fourth and one of the most serious indictments against Donald Trump came. We are truly seeing history being done in front of our eyes.

To be honest, I don't personally think all this indicments are fully driven by political interest, because let us be honest, if someone did just a fraction of what Trump has managed to do, that person would be in jail wiring for trial. While Trump is still allowed to walk and do with campaign activities. He is privileged enough to get that treatment.

Interestingly, the best defense Trump's come up with is that "fact" he did not act with malice and actually thought the election had been stolen from him and he actually thought he had the rights to take all those secret papers home with him.

[BADecker]

The fourth and one of the most serious indictments against Donald Trump came. We are truly seeing history being done in front of our eyes.

To be honest, I don't personally think all this indicments are fully driven by political interest, because let us be honest, if someone did just a fraction of what Trump has managed to do, that person would be in jail wiring for trial. While Trump is still allowed to walk and do with campaign activities. He is privileged enough to get that treatment.

Interestingly, the best defense Trump's come up with is that "fact" he did not act with malice and actually thought the election had been stolen from him and he actually thought he had the rights to take all those secret papers home with him.

Part of the point is that Biden and many members of both the House and the Senate are doing far worse than Trump. But if they are receiving indictments for their wrongdoing, few people ever hear about it. It doesn't generally get into this forum.

The point is that the media heads, many government heads, and a bunch of big business heads are out to get Trump. Is it political? Maybe not entirely. But a lot of it is.

On the other side, most of average people like what Trump was doing. Does this mean they are ignorant? We didn't have the inflation we do, and business for the little people was becoming better. Now, with Biden, big inflation, which will probably get worse, and a bunch of other things that are going down hill for Americans in general. Trump would easily turn things around in his next 4 years.

Sounds an awful lot like political to me. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5269905.msg55119252#msg55119252


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MUST WATCH VIDEO: 10 minutes of Democrats denying election results.


https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/08/15/democrats-denied-election-results-more-than-150-times-before-trump-was-indicted-for-challenging-election/
Democrats Denied Election Results 150+ Times Before Trump Was Indicted for Challenging Election

Although a Georgia grand jury indicted former President Donald Trump on Monday for challenging the 2020 election result, Democrats have refused to accept the results of elections they lost for decades.

As Breitbart News reported, more than 150 examples show Democrats denying election results, including President Joe Biden; two-time failed presidential candidate Hillary Clinton; House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries (D-NY); Reps. Barbara Lee (D-CA), Maxine Waters (D-CA), and Sheila Jackson Lee (D-TX); and failed Georgia gubernatorial candidate Stacey Abrams.

In fact, every single Democrat president since 1977 has questioned the legitimacy of U.S. elections, according to the Republican National Committee. In both 2013 and 2016, Biden claimed that Al Gore won the 2000 presidential election. In May 2019, Biden said he “absolutely agrees” that Trump was an “illegitimate president.” Biden cast doubt on the legitimacy of the 2022 midterms this year.

In 2006, then-DNC Chairman Howard Dean stated that he was “not confident that the [2004] election in Ohio was fairly decided.” Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) said it is “appropriate” to have a debate concerning the 2004 election and claimed that there were “legitimate concerns” regarding the “integrity” of U.S. elections. Then-Rep. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) cast doubt on the security of electronic voting machines in the 2004 election, saying he was “worried” that some machines do not have a paper trail.

Democrats also cast doubt on the 2016 election. Seven House Democrats tried to object to the 2016 election electoral votes. After President Trump’s victory in 2016, 67 Democrats boycotted his inauguration, with some claiming Trump’s victory was not legitimate.
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[TwitchySeal]

Ok but questioning the outcome of an election is not illegal.  Committing election fraud is.  They literally sent fake documents in pretending to be official electors.  Not provisional electors "just in case", they were strait up fraudulent documents claiming to be the actual electors.  Intimidating election workers to try and pressure them to lie and confess to rigging the election is also illegal.  And so is soliciting elected officials to commit election fraud (especially when you're the president and after asking for some helpful fraud you turn to threatening prosecution).

[paxmao]

This Trump situation is honestly one of the most embarrassing moments in American history. If we’re truly going to go down this path where government agencies try to jail candidates that don’t agree with their views then we are no better than 3rd world countries. I’m scared for a future where nobody is safe from corrupt government actions.

Again, spreading the false idea that Trump is being judged by his ideas. It is not the case, he is judged because he very likely committed a number of felonies. His defence when he is caught breaking the law or trying to is "this is because of my enemies" - he will never ever take any responsibility.

 - when you are the POTUS you need to behave beyond any doubt of misbehaviours because you have an immense authority and influence. Trump has behaved worse than a Gansta Rap idol.

I would be scared of a place where the POTUS cannot be ever held accountable because of his donors and his sequestration of the Republican Party.

Ok but questioning the outcome of an election is not illegal.  Committing election fraud is.  They literally sent fake documents in pretending to be official electors.  Not provisional electors "just in case", they were strait up fraudulent documents claiming to be the actual electors.  Intimidating election workers to try and pressure them to lie and confess to rigging the election is also illegal.  And so is soliciting elected officials to commit election fraud (especially when you're the president and after asking for some helpful fraud you turn to threatening prosecution).

Look, just listen to the recorded call with Georgia's Governor. Trump starts bulliying the governor and saying that he has "lots of evidence" but he does not share any of it. And then simply starts saying to the guy that he is pretty much self-ending his political career if he does not find him "a few votes enough to win him  the election".

THAT is what is scary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW_Bdf_jGaA

[sirazimuth]

This Trump situation is honestly one of the most embarrassing moments in American history…

Agreed. It’s pretty embarrassing that 46% of USA voting population were gullible enough to vote for a
complete moron/grifter, failed businessman for president. The plus side being the majority of voting population did not vote for him
but due to a retarded, antiquated voting system he was elected potus anyway.

….If we’re truly going to go down this path where government agencies try to jail candidates that don’t agree with their views …

Dude, wtf are you on about? Trump is not getting prosecuted because “ government agencies don’t agree with
his views”. Trump is being prosecuted because he broke the law, plain and simple. His views have fuck all to do with it.

….I’m scared for a future where nobody is safe from corrupt government actions.

Then you should be applauding the fact that a thoroughly corrupt former potus and his toadie cronies are now being held accountable for their crimes of corruption.