Will Trump be indicted ?

[BADecker]

Ok but questioning the outcome of an election is not illegal.  Committing election fraud is.  They literally sent fake documents in pretending to be official electors.  Not provisional electors "just in case", they were strait up fraudulent documents claiming to be the actual electors.  Intimidating election workers to try and pressure them to lie and confess to rigging the election is also illegal.  And so is soliciting elected officials to commit election fraud (especially when you're the president and after asking for some helpful fraud you turn to threatening prosecution).

Exactly the point. Trump was right. The election was stolen. The thing that they will attempt to do in the trial is to find him guilty of all kinds of things that 'run around' the stolen election, rather than allowing the evidence that shows that the election was stolen.

If Trump's attorneys aren't afraid of getting disbarred for bringing in the evidence, Trump will win, easily.

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[TwitchySeal]

Ok but questioning the outcome of an election is not illegal.  Committing election fraud is.  They literally sent fake documents in pretending to be official electors.  Not provisional electors "just in case", they were strait up fraudulent documents claiming to be the actual electors.  Intimidating election workers to try and pressure them to lie and confess to rigging the election is also illegal.  And so is soliciting elected officials to commit election fraud (especially when you're the president and after asking for some helpful fraud you turn to threatening prosecution).

Exactly the point.

Glad you finally agree.


We all agree with Jack Smith. Yay.:

[BADecker]

So, if Trump gets the trial moved to Federal Court, things will change drastically in  his favor.


https://pjmedia.com/columns/chris-queen/2023/08/16/the-trump-team-has-one-potentially-advantageous-card-up-its-sleeve-in-fulton-county-n1719725


https://pjmedia.com/columns/chris-queen/2023/08/16/the-trump-team-has-one-potentially-advantageous-card-up-its-sleeve-in-fulton-county-n1719725#google_vignette
Willis and Fulton County Sheriff Pat Labat have relished their chance to get their man. Labat told reporters that the county would "have mugshots ready" for Trump and presumably the other 18 defendants in the indictment. There's no doubt that Willis and Labat are milking this indictment for all its worth.

But the Trump team may have an ace up its sleeve. Clark Cunningham, a law professor at Georgia State University, told WSB Radio that Trump could have the case moved from state court to federal court. Cunningham also believes that Trump's attorneys are likely to do just that.

"One hundred percent," Cunningham said. "That's the first thing he's going to do."

Trump has the prerogative to move the case from state court to federal court because he's a former president.

"As a former president, because the acts for which he would be prosecuted took place while he was still president, federal law would allow him to ask for his trial to be moved to federal court, called removal," Cunningham told WSB.
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[TwitchySeal]

So, if Trump gets the trial moved to Federal Court, things will change drastically in  his favor.

Yes.  And there's a reasonable argument involving laws prohibiting states from arresting federal officials that might get the charges dropped completely if it moves to federal court.

Of course there are plenty of reasonable arguments that the case should remain a State case as well.

There are also reasonable arguments that the President doesn't have the power to pardon himself.

Labat told reporters that the county would "have mugshots ready" for Trump and presumably the other 18 defendants in the indictment. There's no doubt that Willis and Labat are milking this indictment for all its worth.

Imagine how embarrassing it would be if they made him wash all his makeup off for the mug shot.

Ok but questioning the outcome of an election is not illegal.  Committing election fraud is.  They literally sent fake documents in pretending to be official electors.  Not provisional electors "just in case", they were strait up fraudulent documents claiming to be the actual electors.  Intimidating election workers to try and pressure them to lie and confess to rigging the election is also illegal.  And so is soliciting elected officials to commit election fraud (especially when you're the president and after asking for some helpful fraud you turn to threatening prosecution).

Exactly the point.

Glad you finally agree.


We all agree with Jack Smith. Yay.:

Oh and I just realized, I only posted the things he did that weren't illegal.  Here's the next section (these are from Trumps federal indictment.  Not the espionage act violations one, the one about trying to steal the presidency after losing the election) :

[BADecker]

^^^ Now these kinds of things are exactly the kinds of things Trump has been accusing the Dems, Biden and his team, and various States of doing... and a whole lot more.

People don't indict people for nothing. But the indictment doesn't prove anything, because some people indict because of their own leverage rather than the other's wrongdoing.

So, the whole indictment thing against Trump is totally foolishness IF he is smart enough to recognize his rights, and apply them properly.

The Deep State better win, because if it doesn't win against Trump, Trump will use their fighting as part of his machinery to destroy them.


Trump to disprove “WITCH HUNT” GA indictments with irrefutable election fraud report


https://www.naturalnews.com/2023-08-17-trump-to-disprove-indictments-with-irrefutable-report.html
Former President Donald Trump, who has been recently indicted by Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis on a range of criminal charges relating to his attempts to "alter Georgia's 2020 election results," is set to fight back to prove the "witch hunt" of a decision is "politically motivated" and "wrong."

The top Republican presidential candidate announced that he will be defending his stance that the 2020 election was rigged in a press conference to be held on Monday, Aug. 21, in response to a decision that indicted him and 18 others on "racketeering charges." According to a post on his social media platform Truth Social, he is going to present a large, complex, detailed but irrefutable report on the presidential election fraud which took place in Georgia.

"[It] will be presented by me at a major News Conference at 11:00 A.M. on Monday of next week in Bedminster, New Jersey," the former president said, further adding, "Based on the results of this conclusive report, all charges should be dropped against me & others – There will be a complete EXONERATION! They never went after those that rigged the election. They only went after those that fought to find the RIGGERS!" (Related: 'Detailed but irrefutable': Trump to present report on 2020 election fraud in Georgia next week.)

He also posted on the platform his lamentations that the two-year investigation was a "WITCH HUNT!" Legal experts and practitioners agree with Trump on this.

Constitutional lawyer Robert Barnes commented that this indictment is the most insane yet by the looniest prosecutor, citing how claims on tweets are conspiracies, legal advice is a crime, Constitutional law is a criminal act, and demanding officials do their job is criminal solicitation. "It is an embarrassment to the state of Georgia," Barnes lamented.
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[TwitchySeal]

[sirazimuth]

Well looks like Trump is finally following the advice of his lawyers... as if that's gonna alleviate the world of shit he is in.

https://youtu.be/9n19WDyQhKc

BAHAHAHA!!!

[BADecker]

The point of this? Trump is arming his supporters with a method for them to keep from supporting his enemies by accident. This should help his people rally around him, so that he will be able to draw on their support for whatever he needs, even in the indictments.


President Trump Monkey Flips Worthless and Vindictive GOPe with His New Policy - And It’s Glorious


https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/08/president-trump-monkey-flips-worthless-vindictive-gope-his/
Conservative Treehouse reported:

The RNC has been covertly hostile, but you will now see them become openly hostile. President Trump knows this, and his next move is brilliant. President Trump has created an "official seal of approval" which must accompany any campaign endorsement, donor request or ancillary aspect implying Trump support. This is directly done to counteract the ability of the RNC to exploit Trump's affiliation and essentially hostage status.

In essence, the RNC cannot exploit the MAGA brand for RNC/MAGA endorsement, and or use the donor data files, without the Trump "seal of approval." The data becomes worthless, because without the Trump seal any request is ignored. Additionally, without the seal any RNC candidate is ignored. This creates leverage. This is how the insurgency forces the compliance of the GOPe. At least that appears to be the goal from Donald Trump.

If the RNC, or any vendor or candidate they have sold the files to, including any candidate who runs but does not align with Trump, attempts to exploit the files without the Trump seal of approval, the fracture between Trump and the RNC becomes openly visible.
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[DooMAD]

The point of this? Trump is arming his supporters with a method for them to keep from supporting his enemies by accident. This should help his people rally around him, so that he will be able to draw on their support for whatever he needs, even in the indictments.


President Trump Monkey Flips Worthless and Vindictive GOPe with His New Policy - And It’s Glorious


https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/08/president-trump-monkey-flips-worthless-vindictive-gope-his/
Conservative Treehouse reported:

The RNC has been covertly hostile, but you will now see them become openly hostile. President Trump knows this, and his next move is brilliant. President Trump has created an "official seal of approval" which must accompany any campaign endorsement, donor request or ancillary aspect implying Trump support. This is directly done to counteract the ability of the RNC to exploit Trump's affiliation and essentially hostage status.

It's far more likely the bloated grifter is looking for low effort ways to line his pockets.  He's probably going to charge people in order to utilise his "seal of approval" and remain part of his sad little cult.  He knows his time is running out, so he has to milk you gullible schmucks for every penny while he still can.  Enjoy your fanboyism while it lasts.

[BADecker]

The point of this? Trump is arming his supporters with a method for them to keep from supporting his enemies by accident. This should help his people rally around him, so that he will be able to draw on their support for whatever he needs, even in the indictments.


President Trump Monkey Flips Worthless and Vindictive GOPe with His New Policy - And It’s Glorious


https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/08/president-trump-monkey-flips-worthless-vindictive-gope-his/
Conservative Treehouse reported:

The RNC has been covertly hostile, but you will now see them become openly hostile. President Trump knows this, and his next move is brilliant. President Trump has created an "official seal of approval" which must accompany any campaign endorsement, donor request or ancillary aspect implying Trump support. This is directly done to counteract the ability of the RNC to exploit Trump's affiliation and essentially hostage status.

It's far more likely the bloated grifter is looking for low effort ways to line his pockets.  He's probably going to charge people in order to utilise his "seal of approval" and remain part of his sad little cult.  He knows his time is running out, so he has to milk you gullible schmucks for every penny while he still can.  Enjoy your fanboyism while it lasts.

Why are so many of you against the American dream? Isn't lining our pockets on the minds of many of us? So, you pick on Trump because he is wealthy, because he got down to business and did the American dream and made money.

The American dream isn't about stealing money from others. Rather, it's about using ingenuity to make money and grow your personal empire... if you can... and helping others as Trump has been doing - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5269905.msg55119252#msg55119252.

So, Trump uses the American dream in good and right ways, but you want to make money by stealing it from him... and from all of us who are in business. Is it that you are too dumb to figure how to make money in business?, that you have to pick on Trump because he made money, and hope to get a little money off of picking on him? That's called stealing.

[sirazimuth]

Why are so many of you against the American dream? .....

No one is against the American dream, Bud. Where did you get that idea?

 ....Isn't lining our pockets on the minds of many of us? .....

Not the way grifter Trump does it, to wit, inheriting a huge family fortune and runs multi-million$ scams.
Lining our pockets? You sound just like your grifter, cult leader hero. Your imaginary friend should smite you.
Thou shalt not be a greedy, criminal, capitalist, grifting pig.

....... So, you pick on Trump because he is wealthy, because he got down to business and did the American dream and made money...

Every business Trump had anything to do with has gone bankrupt or is a complete scam. Do a little real research Bud, ffs.
We pick on Trump because he is a criminal.

The American dream isn't about stealing money from others.

Well that's what your cult leader hero has done for the past 30 years. The art of the Deal? What a complete fucking farce.
The only thing that idiot is good at is draining money from his ignorant cult followers and
being the star of a retarded reality show and saying "you're fired!, sexually assaulting women, and manipulating, brainwashed, worshippers such as yourself. Pathetic.

... Is it that you are too dumb to figure how to make money in business?, that you have to pick on Trump because he made money, and hope to get a little money off of picking on him? That's called stealing.

You are trolling now aren't you?  Nothing new.

[NotATether]

If Trump's attorneys aren't afraid of getting disbarred for bringing in the evidence, Trump will win, easily.

So what happens now that even the attorneys need their own attorneys for their trials?

[TwitchySeal]

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So, Trump uses the American dream in good and right ways, but you want to make money by stealing it from him... and from all of us who are in business. Is it that you are too dumb to figure how to make money in business?, that you have to pick on Trump because he made money, and hope to get a little money off of picking on him? That's called stealing.

Fun fact, trumps father gave him almost half a billion dollars, beginning when he was 3 years old.

He lost almost all of it in the 80s and 90s in bad business deals until he finally found a way to make money doing something he was good at with celebrity apprentice - pretending to be a successful business man.

Turns out being very good at being full of shit transfers well to American politics, especially if your target audience is the most ignorant, uneducated demographic.  They'll believe anything as long as it's something they want to be true. (Just look at the kraken thread)

[TwitchySeal]

If Trump's attorneys aren't afraid of getting disbarred for bringing in the evidence, Trump will win, easily.

So what happens now that even the attorneys need their own attorneys for their trials?

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[Hispo]

If Trump's attorneys aren't afraid of getting disbarred for bringing in the evidence, Trump will win, easily.

So what happens now that even the attorneys need their own attorneys for their trials?

For real, specifically the situation of Rudy Giuliani is quite something which should be studied in law schools in the future, so other lawyers wont get to make the same mistakes, how someone with a relatively solid reputation and once was the mayor of NYC ended up featuring pillow advertisement, commiting defamation and possibly encouraging to overturn an election is kind of sad.

Some days ago I recall watching a video of him accepting defeat when he tried to be reelected as the mayor of the city of New York and his speech on how democracy is important and how it is supposed to be the mechanism for people to govern themselves. Does not sound like the same person anymore.

[BADecker]

Why are so many of you against the American dream? .....

No one is against the American dream, Bud. Where did you get that idea?

 ....Isn't lining our pockets on the minds of many of us? .....

Not the way grifter Trump does it, to wit, inheriting a huge family fortune and runs multi-million$ scams.
Lining our pockets? You sound just like your grifter, cult leader hero. Your imaginary friend should smite you.
Thou shalt not be a greedy, criminal, capitalist, grifting pig.

....... So, you pick on Trump because he is wealthy, because he got down to business and did the American dream and made money...

Every business Trump had anything to do with has gone bankrupt or is a complete scam. Do a little real research Bud, ffs.
We pick on Trump because he is a criminal.

The American dream isn't about stealing money from others.

Well that's what your cult leader hero has done for the past 30 years. The art of the Deal? What a complete fucking farce.
The only thing that idiot is good at is draining money from his ignorant cult followers and
being the star of a retarded reality show and saying "you're fired!, sexually assaulting women, and manipulating, brainwashed, worshippers such as yourself. Pathetic.

... Is it that you are too dumb to figure how to make money in business?, that you have to pick on Trump because he made money, and hope to get a little money off of picking on him? That's called stealing.

You are trolling now aren't you?  Nothing new.

Trolling, no. Just repeating the obvious.

If Trump's attorneys aren't afraid of getting disbarred for bringing in the evidence, Trump will win, easily.

So what happens now that even the attorneys need their own attorneys for their trials?

That's exactly the point. Nobody, not even attorneys, need attorneys. Here's what you do when you hire and become a client of an attorney (in the US). Read it well. It isn't long, and it is taken right out of US law - https://www.youarelaw.org/Download/CorpusJurisSecundum-AttorneyClient.pdf.

What it boils down to is that when you hire attorneys to represent you, you turn over your case to the attorneys and the judge to fight it out among themselves. You have no more say, except that they let you speak, or (possibly) if you fire your attorneys. And they can nullify anything you say, later.

There is no law in the US requiring you to have an attorney in court. If you hire attorneys as co-counsel in the way that they DON'T represent you (you are not their client), and where you don't represent yourself because you are present, and where you do all your own talking (from their advice to you), the whole court situation changes.

You would think that these attorneys would know this. Of course, if they did it this way, they would probably be disbarred by the judge. But they could far more easily win against the accusations. So, it's all about what they value more... their job as attorneys, or their potential for being found innocent.

[sirazimuth]

Judge Cannon is getting schooled in how grand juries work.
Also as soon as the indicted co-conspirator gets a real lawyer, and not one paid for by Trump with conflict of interest issues, they come to their senses, recant their story, cooperate and tell the truth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8t0wH1oUa8


And the star of the show should be arriving/added shortly...



The Brady Sedition Bunch   (credit... Meidas Touch Network)

[BADecker]

Judge Cannon is getting schooled in how grand juries work.
Also as soon as the indicted co-conspirator gets a real lawyer, and not one paid for by Trump with conflict of interest issues, they come to their senses, recant their story, cooperate and tell the truth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8t0wH1oUa8


And the star of the show should be arriving/added shortly...



The Brady Sedition Bunch   (credit... Meidas Touch Network)

Judge Cannon is getting schooled in how grand juries get paid off by the likes of Soros.

[sirazimuth]

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Jesus Christ Bud. Is this all you do? Wait for me to post so you can reply with your lunacy 5 minutes later?
Get a life ffs.

[DooMAD]

The Brady Sedition Bunch   (credit... Meidas Touch Network)

Yeah, Trump can't claim he's being singled out and persecuted if they're bringing down all of his co-conspirators as well.  Sounds like there's more mugshots to come from yet more underlings.  His entire racketeering network will crumble and justice will be done.

This isn't a "witch hunt", as he so often claims.  The justice system is simply fulfilling its remit to uphold the law and hold to account those who break it.