dogecoin's withdrawal stuck

[Saint-loup]

Hi, I didn't use my main email for registering here and I lost the access to my BITCOINTALK account mathematics_lover.  However, this thread got popularity and so I wanted to give an update.  Finally 10 hours ago  the withdrawal was canceled after approximatively 14 days and 12 hour. I asked a new withdrawal to Betnomi assistence (  this time in bitcoin). I am waiting updates from them.

Just as expected and the same with other altcoins when they'll drop transactions, the estimation is correct about 2 weeks.. That's a long wait for you but they're aware of your transaction and will assist you as soon as possible. Once it's already okay and solved, you can close the thread after that.

No you can't say this 2week rule applies to all altcoins. It's a bitcoin mempool rule and before it was even 72hours, so there is no guarantee it would work like this for a random altcoin.  

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[kryptqnick]

Hi, I didn't use my main email for registering here and I lost the access to my BITCOINTALK account mathematics_lover.  However, this thread got popularity and so I wanted to give an update.  Finally 10 hours ago  the withdrawal was canceled after approximatively 14 days and 12 hour. I asked a new withdrawal to Betnomi assistence (  this time in bitcoin). I am waiting updates from them.

It's good that it's not stuck anymore, but it's also sad that it's been such a long time. Honestly, I haven't heard about DOGE transactions getting stuck before. I haven't really used altcoins since 2017, and back then it was typical for Bitcoin transactions to get stuck when you don't pay very high fees, but transactions of Dogecoin were very fast and cheap. I think it's a casino's mistake that they didn't choose the appropriate fees, but then again they couldn't improve the situation afterwards either. Bitcoin transactions are still very expensive, but since your sum of money is significant as well, I think it's worth to pay high fees to get done with it all.

[Saint-loup]

I think it's a casino's mistake that they didn't choose the appropriate fees, but then again they couldn't improve the situation afterwards either.

No I don't think they couldn't do anything, I think they just didn't want to or didn't know how to manage this pretty elementary issue. A double spend transaction with the same UTXO and higher fees or a Child Pays For Parent transaction would have solve the problem quite easily IMO.

[Yogee]

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Honestly, I haven't heard about DOGE transactions getting stuck before. I haven't really used altcoins since 2017, and back then it was typical for Bitcoin transactions to get stuck when you don't pay very high fees, but transactions of Dogecoin were very fast and cheap.

The transaction with 0,7 DOGE fee would have confirmed within seconds if it was done in 2017. The lowest transaction fee that I've seen on Blockchair data over the last three months was around 1.6 DOGE so it puzzles everyone why Betnomi's wallet provider used below 1.

[Saint-loup]

Just be patient and your doge will be in yoir wallet soon. Some gambling sites that supports doge will set the fee automatically while some will always set it on 1 doge coin before your transaction will be confirmed. As of now, all you can do is wait until it will arrives on your wallet.

Hey nakamura12 you should read more carefully the threads before posting like a blind man   LOL Mathematics_lover has already got back his doges, he told it at the top of the page  

Hi, I didn't use my main email for registering here and I lost the access to my BITCOINTALK account mathematics_lover.  However, this thread got popularity and so I wanted to give an update.  Finally 10 hours ago  the withdrawal was canceled after approximatively 14 days and 12 hour. I asked a new withdrawal to Betnomi assistence (  this time in bitcoin). I am waiting updates from them.

[FinneysTrueVision]

I hope you have received your money now. There has been some complaints recently about delayed withdrawals from this casino. Betnomi had already stated that they would upgrade their system to eliminate these delays so it surprises me that all these months later there are still issues.

[passwordnow]

Hi, I didn't use my main email for registering here and I lost the access to my BITCOINTALK account mathematics_lover.  However, this thread got popularity and so I wanted to give an update.  Finally 10 hours ago  the withdrawal was canceled after approximatively 14 days and 12 hour. I asked a new withdrawal to Betnomi assistence (  this time in bitcoin). I am waiting updates from them.

Just as expected and the same with other altcoins when they'll drop transactions, the estimation is correct about 2 weeks.. That's a long wait for you but they're aware of your transaction and will assist you as soon as possible. Once it's already okay and solved, you can close the thread after that.

No you can't say this 2week rule applies to all altcoins. It's a bitcoin mempool rule and before it was even 72hours, so there is no guarantee it would work like this for a random altcoin.  

I just did a random guess and assumed that it's the same as the other altcoins and with coincidence, it did happened. But I agree to you that it's not applicable to all altcoins.
I didn't said about all altcoins but just said that it happens for other altcoins.

[ReiMomo]

Hi, I didn't use my main email for registering here and I lost the access to my BITCOINTALK account mathematics_lover.  However, this thread got popularity and so I wanted to give an update.  Finally 10 hours ago  the withdrawal was canceled after approximatively 14 days and 12 hour. I asked a new withdrawal to Betnomi assistence (  this time in bitcoin). I am waiting updates from them.

I don't know why they had delayed withdrawal in altcoins since as I know dogecoins have a fast transaction than the bitcoin, I'm in Betnomi signature before and I think the withdrawal was faster than I ever thought, just a couple of hours my withdrawal comes into my main wallet. I can't imagine waiting for 14 days for the withdrawal of dogecoin.

I hope they will give you a better service, it will I guess affect to their reputation if there are some cases like this. I hope that your coin will get you soon and if waiting another 14 days is a really terrible thing, it's almost 1 month.

[logfiles]

No I don't think they couldn't do anything, I think they just didn't want to or didn't know how to manage this pretty elementary issue. A double spend transaction with the same UTXO and higher fees or a Child Pays For Parent transaction would have solve the problem quite easily IMO.

Not all blockchains are designed in the same way as Bitcoin. OP clearly stated that the betnomi support told him that it's not possible to perform a CPFP transaction on Dogecoin blockchain.

I blame them for not adjusting their optimal withdrawal fees with the changing times. No customer has to wait for 2 weeks to first have the transaction get dropped off the mempool due to very low fees.

[Saint-loup]

No I don't think they couldn't do anything, I think they just didn't want to or didn't know how to manage this pretty elementary issue. A double spend transaction with the same UTXO and higher fees or a Child Pays For Parent transaction would have solve the problem quite easily IMO.

Not all blockchains are designed in the same way as Bitcoin. OP clearly stated that the betnomi support told him that it's not possible to perform a CPFP transaction on Dogecoin blockchain.

I blame them for adjusting their optimal withdrawal fees with the changing times. No customer has to wait for 2 weeks to first have the transaction get dropped off the mempool due to very low fees.

Why it would be impossible to make a Child Pays For Parent transaction on a mined blockchain I don't understand?   There is no reason for that. If miners don't mine a transaction because its fees are too low, I don't understand why they wouldn't mine its child carrying bigger fees.

[logfiles]

Why it would be impossible to make a Child Pays For Parent transaction on a mined blockchain I don't understand?   There is no reason for that. If miners don't mine a transaction because its fees are too low, I don't understand why they wouldn't mine its child carrying bigger fees.

Because dogecoin blockchain is slightly different from the way Bitcoin operates. That's why.

Let's use a simple example because I am pretty sure you are at least familiar with Ethereum. When your transaction is stuck in the Ethereum blockchain, is it possible to perform RBF (Replace By Fee) or a CPFP transaction just like it is the case for Bitcoin transactions?

I hope you understand my argument 

[FinneysTrueVision]

No I don't think they couldn't do anything, I think they just didn't want to or didn't know how to manage this pretty elementary issue. A double spend transaction with the same UTXO and higher fees or a Child Pays For Parent transaction would have solve the problem quite easily IMO.

Not all blockchains are designed in the same way as Bitcoin. OP clearly stated that the betnomi support told him that it's not possible to perform a CPFP transaction on Dogecoin blockchain.

Dogecoin is a fork of Bitcoin and ancestor fee mining is implemented in it's code. It should be possible to do CPFP on Doge.
The only reason I can think of for Betnomi not being able to do this is because of the wallet software they are using or maybe they just didn't know how to do it.

If I'm the admin/owner of the casino, I will give you a compensation for the inconvenience although just a small amount or a bonus such as free spin or free bet on the site.

I agree with this. The error was entirely their fault and we have seen the price move around a lot in these past few weeks. Not only is it an inconvenience but their was also potential financial damage done by not being able to trade the coin when it was at a higher price.

[Saint-loup]

Why it would be impossible to make a Child Pays For Parent transaction on a mined blockchain I don't understand?   There is no reason for that. If miners don't mine a transaction because its fees are too low, I don't understand why they wouldn't mine its child carrying bigger fees.

Because dogecoin blockchain is slightly different from the way Bitcoin operates. That's why.

Let's use a simple example because I am pretty sure you are at least familiar with Ethereum. When your transaction is stuck in the Ethereum blockchain, is it possible to perform RBF (Replace By Fee) or a CPFP transaction just like it is the case for Bitcoin transactions?

I hope you understand my argument  

I wouldn't bet on that... As FinneysTrueVision said above the Dogecoin code is a fork of BTC one, so it is very similar to bitcoin and the mining process has no reason to not be the same, at least in its basic principles. A proof of that : it has released the transaction from the mempool after 2 weeks exactly like Bitcoin would have done...  

[mathematics_lover_new]

Hello.

I asked a withdrawal in a website, using dogecoin (so Child Pays for Parent transaction only can be used on bitcoin, not doge). The assistance says that the wallet provider, automatically set the transaction with  0.70682430 DOGE as fee, it s just 0.03eur or 0.04 dollars. They also say "we cannot do anything for now. We can't send you another WD because it can be confirmed anytime." Of course There's not a precise time when the transaction will disappear from the network, it could be days or up to weeks. They said me "please explain to me how to delete the transaction if you know, i will do everything i could if it makes sense". Any suggestion?

We will repeat what our live chat support said to you regarding this issue.
There is not much that can be done in this case but to wait. If the transaction gets confirmed, then you are all set.
In the event the transaction fails/ is dropped, we will simply resend the payment to you.

The withdrawal was canceled 2 days ago but you didn't send me the new withdrawal. Also,I didn't receive comunications. In the chat, they are continuing to say that they are waiting informations from the "Manager"..but they are not saying me nothing..

[Clement Kaliyar]

The withdrawal was canceled 2 days ago but you didn't send me the new withdrawal. Also,I didn't receive comunications. In the chat, they are continuing to say that they are waiting informations from the "Manager"..but they are not saying me nothing..

It is really frustrating to wait for two week to get a withdrawal and the price had a major correction from that situation and still you are waiting for the transaction is super irritating to say the least. It is better to avoid sites like these which tests your patience and i was following the thread to know what is happening and i thought your problems were sorted and hence you went silent but for the situation to continue indefinitely is unacceptable.

[7788bitcoin]

I wouldn't bet on that... As FinneysTrueVision said above the Dogecoin code is a fork of BTC one, so it is very similar to bitcoin and the mining process has no reason to not be the same, at least in its basic principles. A proof of that : it has released the transaction from the mempool after 2 weeks exactly like Bitcoin would have done...  

Doge source code is a fork of bitcoin but there were many updates in bitcoin in the past several years and RBF (Replace By Fee) or CPFP were included recently and if you look at Doge they did not upgraded these in their code and when the price of Doge started rallying the developers said they will be updating everything that they left out in the past few years and we might see those upgrades soon.

[FinneysTrueVision]

I wouldn't bet on that... As FinneysTrueVision said above the Dogecoin code is a fork of BTC one, so it is very similar to bitcoin and the mining process has no reason to not be the same, at least in its basic principles. A proof of that : it has released the transaction from the mempool after 2 weeks exactly like Bitcoin would have done...  

Doge source code is a fork of bitcoin but there were many updates in bitcoin in the past several years and RBF (Replace By Fee) or CPFP were included recently and if you look at Doge they did not upgraded these in their code and when the price of Doge started rallying the developers said they will be updating everything that they left out in the past few years and we might see those upgrades soon.

Dogecoin already supports RBF and CPFP but most wallet implementations do not support these features. Due to this, the developers reduced the default mempool expiry from 14 days to 24 hours. This change was included in the latest Dogecoin Core version which was released earlier today.

[mathematics_lover_new]

This morning I received my new 250eur withdrawal in Bitcoin (this time very fast), from Betnomi. So this thread can be closed.

[7788bitcoin]

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Dogecoin already supports RBF and CPFP but most wallet implementations do not support these features. Due to this, the developers reduced the default mempool expiry from 14 days to 24 hours. This change was included in the latest Dogecoin Core version which was released earlier today.

The latest version which is released earlier today had these changes which is good, the developers were not taking things seriously and they need to see a huge rally to make any changes which sucks big time.

This morning I received my new 250eur withdrawal in Bitcoin (this time very fast), from Betnomi. So this thread can be closed.

You can close the thread yourself and good to hear that you finally go the withdrawal after a long wait.

[bakasabo]

This is first time I'm hearing that dogecoin transaction got stuck. I always thought that they fly like lightning. Is OP transaction really got stuck or he had made some mistakes while sending a transaction?
Not expected that dogecoin also supports RBF and CPFP. Is it only available on "installed" wallet ? Online wallets like https://my.dogechain.info/#/wallet does not support it? (or I simply havent found that option there)