User SmokerFace - Recycling posts for sig campaign, new way of cheating ?

[tyKiwanuka]

I read this post today and thought, hmm, I already read this post once in this thread, so was thinking about plagiarism:

I never faced any issues, and it's perfect in terms of betting. There's a lot of fun of your choice; the remarkable thing is they don't apply a fee for withdrawals, and they're fast compare to the other bets sites. The only thing I dislike is charging a high phone bill when you call customer support with a Canadian phone. Had a pleasant little surprise on my phone bill.

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But it's not plagiarism. What this user actually does is to delete his old posts in a thread and then reposting them some days later to get paid again for them. Basically the same post was made on February 10th already, but was deleted (by him (?)):

Thanks for the tutorial; for me, all the British bookies are the best. I also consider skybet, which is best in gambling games. I never face any issues, and it's perfect in terms of betting. There's a lot of fun of your choice; the remarkable thing is they don't apply a fee for withdrawals, and they're fast compare to the other bets sites. The only thing I dislike is charging a high phone bill when you call customer support with a Canadian phone. Had a pleasant little surprise on my phone bill.

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I checked the post history of this user and just today he made 15 posts in 6:46 minutes, amazing

I randomly checked another post and here is what I got:

This post he made as well today:

Bitcoin can not end any currency, since bitcoin is as yet very little famous among us. Half of the world doesn't know what actually bitcoins is and those who know about bitcoin accuse it of a scam. Also, how would we purchase bitcoin if the cash gets end?. We won't be able to exchange. For me, dollars or any cash ought not to end. It might make a few issues and hurt the bitcoin itself as well.

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Posted already on Dec 26th: https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5593/55934821.html
Deleted and reposted on Feb 10th: https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5631/56313484.html
Deleted and reposted on Feb 17th: https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5636/56368162.html
And then today reposted again, after deleting the post from Feb 17th.

[o_e_l_e_o]

Not the first time I've seen a user do this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5283810.0

Unfortunately, it doesn't seem that mods will ban users for this behavior. You should alert the campaign manager in question though, as any half decent one will immediately kick this user from their campaign.

[dkbit98]

It could be that moderators deleted some of his posts but making 15 posts in under 7 minutes it's probably new bitcointalk record if we don't count robots and bounty applications.

I can't prove anything but this is probably purchased account that changed ownership in 2018 and he started to write in the end of 2020 after two year break .
It would be interesting to see if he still speaks Pilipinas like he did in 2017, but with google translate I guess anyone can speak foreign languages.
Much harder for him to prove ownership of addresses he used in same year.

[tyKiwanuka]

It could be that moderators deleted some of his posts (...)

It would be a huge coincidence, if the mods always delete a good amount of his posts week after week And while they are surely shitposts, they are not the worst shitposts I have ever read, so no reason for the mods to be super strict just with this user.

Tbh I find this super cheeky, even worse than the worst shitposting ever to get paid some bucks from a signature campaign. Because some shitposters might not be bad people afterall or trying to earn easy money with minimalistic efforts - maybe they can't do any better for various reasons and are just looking to support their family/kids with it. But what SmokerFace does, is just plain cheating imo.

Not the first time I've seen a user do this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5283810.0

Thanks, I wasn't aware of this thread and looks like this is no cutting edge technique no more in here^^

[o_e_l_e_o]

Here's some more evidence:

Post 1:
https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5560/55605938.html - November 16
https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5632/56320549.html - February 11
https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5635/56358903.html - February 16
https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5643/56433872.html - February 25

Post 2:
https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5568/55686665.html - November 26
https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5632/56320524.html - February 11
https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5635/56358906.html - February 16
https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5643/56433871.html - February 25

Post 3:
https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5643/56433871.html - December 29
https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5631/56313453.html - February 10
https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5636/56368166.html - February 17
https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5643/56433866.html - Feburary 25

This goes on and on in the exact same pattern for many more posts, but I think that is more than enough evidence for him to be banned from his signature campaign.

[Steamtyme]

Report them to the manager, leave them a neutral tag explaining the situation. The campaign can and should then exclude them and if they so decide could probably flag them.

It's shady behaviour and if it's been done while in the same campaign, it could be enough for them to neg/flag the individual as they had already been paid for that post. Unless removed by moderators the post should remain with the accompanied advertising, that's the whole basis of the system.

Edit: I took the above action.

[The Cryptovator]

I think there was a similar case previously I heard, so it's not new on the forum. This is one of very bad behavior for campaign participants. It's not very easy to detect for a manager, so it would be very helpful if you create a thread and forward the manager to take a look. So that participants would be kicked from the campaign.

Report them to the manager, leave them a neutral tag explaining the situation. The campaign can and should then exclude them and if they so decide could probably flag them.

Yea, I second that. It would be a nice solution for such users. I do not recommend a red tag since there are no such rules on the campaign or forum. But I think the manager would add this rule now and punish is someone caught.

[LoyceV]

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Better link: https://loyce.club/archive/details/topic_5303201.html

[The Sceptical Chymist]

making 15 posts in under 7 minutes it's probably new bitcointalk record

Nah, I don't think that's even close to a forum record.  I recall an old-timer (sort of) member getting heat for posting up a storm, and if I recall he'd said he wrote some of his posts in advance or just wrote very quickly or whatever.  Wish I could remember the member's name.

Anyway, as long as campaigns don't go by your total post count this is going to be an easy way for very lazy members to abuse the privilege of being in a campaign and as Leo pointed out it's certainly not unusual behavior--it's just another way for people who lack any motivation to write to continue to get paid for writing.  Crazy.

I would definitely point this out to the campaign manager whenever someone catches a member doing this, because even though it might not be against the rules it certainly is bending them to the point where it might as well be broken.

leave them a neutral tag explaining the situation.

That's not a bad idea either.  It's a good one, in fact.

[hosseinimr93]

Nah, I don't think that's even close to a forum record.  I recall an old-timer (sort of) member getting heat for posting up a storm, and if I recall he'd said he wrote some of his posts in advance or just wrote very quickly or whatever.  Wish I could remember the member's name.

I guess you are referring to taiwww.

19 posts in 2 minutes and 1 second!
taiwww made 1 post in every 6.4 seconds on average.

taiwww's post history (Archived.)

[Coyster]

I think the best thing for any user to do when they prolly get busier IRL and can't make posts on the forum should be to willingly leave their signature campaign, explain to the CM their present situation, so that in the future they could still be accepted by the said manager, and then face squarely whatever is keeping them busy IRL. Periods of inactivity isn't bad, one can always make a return to the forum whenever things clear up, but deleting, and recycling previously paid posts to be paid for it over and again is plain avarice, cheating the campaign/company, playing on the campaign manager as well as everything dishonest.

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

Thanks to all those that took out time to write me in my DM bringing my attention to this situation, thanks to the OP for his observation and also big thanks to those that contributed in making the accusations more valid. I have taken a decision and this is final. The accused will be punished with both him losing his slot in the campaign and also getting a red feedback from me.

Reason for my tagged is due to the dishonesty displayed by the accused in him trying to abuse the forum and cheating the campaign, the attitude displayed by him is uncalled-for therefore 777coin as a brand on the forum would seize to have anything to do with him.

Ps: SmokerFace added to Blacklist (BrainLess List).

[Kittygalore]

I don't get how they are plagiarizing their posts when you can easily post your own thoughts and you might even be able to formulate a better opinion. I despise this kind of people who take advantage that there is only enough moderator to monitor post and steal the words of other people, I don't get why they do it but being in a signature campaign is good thing because you get paid for your opinion and there are people/users that are stealing others words is really saying something about the person.

[SmokerFace]

I don't get how they are plagiarizing their posts when you can easily post your own thoughts and you might even be able to formulate a better opinion. I despise this kind of people who take advantage that there is only enough moderator to monitor post and steal the words of other people, I don't get why they do it but being in a signature campaign is good thing because you get paid for your opinion and there are people/users that are stealing others words is really saying something about the person.

I didn't plagiarize, just tried to bend the rules because I was not able to complete a minimum(15) Posts.
I found a good loophole in the campaign since there was no rule regarding this and even not on the forum they have such a rule so i thought i should keep it that way rather than writing a post and could focus on other works.

Reason for my tagged is due to the dishonesty displayed by the accused in him trying to abuse the forum and cheating the campaign, the attitude displayed by him is uncalled-for therefore 777coin as a brand on the forum would seize to have anything to do with him.

Ps: SmokerFace added to Blacklist (BrainLess List).

I didn't mean to cheat and i don't think it's cheating since I copy pasted my own posts for 2 weeks and there was no such rule on the forum that you cannot copy paste your own posts neither it was on the campaign.
If you call it cheating then you could've added a rule that "Users cannot copy-paste their own posts after week's end"

[LoyceV]

If you call it cheating then you could've added a rule that "Users cannot copy-paste their own posts after week's end"

You're paid to do a job, not to hand in your last week's work over and over again.

[SmokerFace]

If you call it cheating then you could've added a rule that "Users cannot copy-paste their own posts after week's end"

You're paid to do a job, not to hand in your last week's work over and over again.

It's the same work and it's not written you cannot hand over your last week's work.

[tyKiwanuka]

Well, there is also something called common sense, not everything has to be excluded by rules.

What I don't understand is how people like you can enjoy that money (even if it's no fortune) and generally have no problem doing this ?! I would feel super bad and couldn't enjoy that money, because a) I don't deserve that money b) it's super unfair towards the other participants who do take the time and effort to make their minimum posts every week, while they surely have better things to do as well and c) I would question myself how low I have gotten, if I need to do this.

But I give you credit for showing up here, I like that.

[SmokerFace]

Well, there is also something called common sense, not everything has to be excluded by rules.

What I don't understand is how people like you can enjoy that money (even if it's no fortune) and generally have no problem doing this ?!

I didn't break any rules that is what matters here, If you go fly making rules on the go case by the base then everyone can be proven wrong.
I understand that's a small amount of money and wasn't worthy of my full time even i wasn't enjoying that money so I'll happily agree with you on that point that was the whole point of me copy pasting the posts.

I would feel super bad and couldn't enjoy that money, because a) I don't deserve that money b) it's super unfair towards the other participants who do take the time and effort to make their minimum posts every week, while they surely have better things to do as well
c) I would question myself how low I have gotten, if I need to do this.

Those are your beliefs and they don't belong to me.

But I give you credit for showing up here, I like that.

Thx

[suchmoon]

I didn't break any rules

There are forum rules against low value posts and re-posting the same stuff is a low/zero value contribution to the forum. Hopefully now with a documented and confirmed case it will be easier for mods to deal with you if you continue this.

[Steamtyme]

I love it. "No one specifically wrote do not copy delete and repost my "work", so I've been wronged". Oh this forum it's a gem that keeps on giving.

You're right there was no rule, but what always existed was professional standards, seeing as you see this as work and not just a benefit to engaging within the forum. So given that companies can see that you don't even feel responsible for leaving posts up for the duration of the campaign when paid for it, I imagine you're out of work. This problem has sorted itself out with a precedent instead of a rule, amazing.

You got greedy and wanted BTC for doing nothing and felt you were entitled to it. I would support any flag created by a company that you advertised for and did this to.