User SmokerFace - Recycling posts for sig campaign, new way of cheating ?

[o_e_l_e_o]

I didn't break any rules that is what matters here, If you go fly making rules on the go case by the base then everyone can be proven wrong.

I'm pretty sure McDonald's don't make new employees sign a piece of paper which says "I will not spit in the food"; the absence of a specific rule is not tacit approval of such an act.

Regardless, the campaign does enforce the following two rules:

Signature Spamming that is detrimental to the discussions in threads will not count as payment.
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Constructive posts

No unbiased person can possibly argue that deleting and reposting the same content multiple times is either constructive or not spam.

[SmokerFace]

I didn't break any rules

There are forum rules against low value posts and re-posting the same stuff is a low/zero value contribution to the forum. Hopefully now with a documented and confirmed case it will be easier for mods to deal with you if you continue this.

There were no low quality posts just recycling of content.
I would not have done it if there were rules regarding recycling same as how i don't plagiarize because it's against rules.

I love it. "No one specifically wrote do not copy delete and repost my "work", so I've been wronged". Oh this forum it's a gem that keeps on giving.

You're right there was no rule, but what always existed was professional standards, seeing as you see this as work and not just a benefit to engaging within the forum. So given that companies can see that you don't even feel responsible for leaving posts up for the duration of the campaign when paid for it, I imagine you're out of work. This problem has sorted itself out with a precedent instead of a rule, amazing.

You got greedy and wanted BTC for doing nothing and felt you were entitled to it. I would support any flag created by a company that you advertised for and did this to.

I didn't get greedy just easy money without any harm to rules, that's all. You cannot say I wanted BTC for nothing that was my content after all.

[suchmoon]

There were no low quality posts just recycling of content.
I would not have done it if there were rules regarding recycling same as how i don't plagiarize because it's against rules.

I'm not talking about some nebulous "quality". Rule #1:

1. No zero or low value, pointless or uninteresting posts or threads.

Re-posting adds zero value and is pointless.

[DireWolfM14]

Here's something interesting that I found:

On August 15, 2018 SmokerFace requested a loan which was apparently filled by Parodium, who held the SmokerFace account as collateral.

Thread link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4898988
Archive: https://archive.md/r5MhZ

But, for some reason, Parodium deleted his responses to that thread.  Others had quoted them before they were deleted, here're the quotes:

I can fill this loan for you, please contact me on Telegram @Parodium

Too late, unfortunately. Currently holding his account as collateral. I doubt he'll default so long as nobody tags his account.

Well, someone did tag the account; user Loan Shark did, using this post (in the loan request thread) as reference:

Just want inform anyone interested in loaning this guy. He had a loan with me before, and he actually never paid (sorta).

He had a collateral loan with me, but it fell below required levels. I asked if he was willing to deposit more collateral to keep the collateral level to minimum, he said he can't but he promises to pay the loan no matter what. In the end I ended up losing on his loan and he never did pay up.

Just something you guys should consider.

I don't have the proofs anymore as I lost my original telegram (since I've been super inactive the past couple of months). So it is up to the lender if you want to lend this guy.

Note: He also offered to give his account as payment but when the time came, he said he "sold" the account then after a few weeks he retracted that statement and said he didn't. Overall, I should have filed a case against this guy but was too lazy at the time. But seeing him here again, just makes me want to come out and tell the story.

The SmokerFace account stopped posting on the same date that the loan was granted, and didn't for over two years.  Bpip shows these security log entries for SmokerFace:

Security/Moderator Log
8/15/2018 11:00:44 AM   password changed
8/15/2018 11:04:05 AM   password changed
11/19/2018 11:56:13 PM   password changed
10/31/2020 10:14:43 AM   woke up

It appears that Parodium had control of the account for some time.  Prior to the loan SmokerFace used to post in the Filipino board regularly, but has not since his return.  It's also worth noting that Parodium doesn't, and never has posted in Filipino board, as far as I can tell.

This all brings up some questions: Is the account still in Parodium's possession?  Did the account get returned to the original owner?  Was the account sold by Parodium?

[tyKiwanuka]

dkbit98 already hinted here that this account might have changed hands.

Prior to the loan SmokerFace used to post in the Filipino board regularly, but has not since his return.

The posts in english also differ a bit as far as I can judge, i.e. in 2017/2018 it sounded like a non-native person, but the latest posts read native (for me).

[lovesmayfamilis]

The worst part is that anyone who tries to explain to SmokerFace that he broke the rules will go unheard. This person has his own set of rules and his own truth. And it is useless to prove something to him. One can only guess how he lives in real life, adjusting his "truth" for everyone around him.
Lack of morality and decency, as well as poor mind for writing new posts, that's the whole characteristic of SmokerFace.  Unfortunately, he does not understand that everything in life comes back like a boomerang. He can only be pitied for his paucity of thinking.

[The Cryptovator]

This all brings up some questions: Is the account still in Parodium's possession?  Did the account get returned to the original owner?  Was the account sold by Parodium?

It's confirmed account changed hand. Because Parodium had been tried to prevent a red tag from that account.

Then tag it after he has paid me back otherwise you will cause me to lose 0.012, he obviously can't scam anybody else whilst I'm holding his account.

That's the reason why Parodium has deleted his replies. At the same time, SmokerFace (Parodium) edited the thread as well. But by mistake, he edits the title with canceled, how a deal would be canceled after the deal is done? Parodium deleted all posts simply means the original owner of SmokerFace defaulted the lent amount. Simply means it's just was an account sell at the end.

Anyway, hope Parodium would clear the story behind it.

[lovesmayfamilis]

dkbit98 already hinted here that this account might have changed hands.

Prior to the loan SmokerFace used to post in the Filipino board regularly, but has not since his return.

The posts in english also differ a bit as far as I can judge, i.e. in 2017/2018 it sounded like a non-native person, but the latest posts read native (for me).

He had a Newbie account that was selling the senior's account.
The Pharmacist tagged that account, but most likely the account was sold anyway.

For Sale Sr. Member Account Potential Legendary
- No red trust
- Have good quality posts
- No ban issue
- No loans
Start bid: 0.08BTC
BIN: 0.1BTC

https://ninjastic.space/addresses?address=1HcG5aVavjaaeJ6aNkgvUmo6uz3WwtEVoK

There is also another account owned by SmokerFace

add me on facebook: noobfromphseller@gmail.com

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Pm me here in Btctalk or message me on facebook:
noobfromphseller@gmail.com

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Stalker22 reported this.https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2544574.msg56449754#msg56449754

[Parodium]

From what I can recall this account was returned to the owner several months after the loan was taken. The user could not pay so completed some writing work for me instead.

I do not know what happened once he got his account back, but can assume it changed hands given the change in writing style/purpose.

[The Cryptovator]

There is also another account owned by SmokerFace

add me on facebook: noobfromphseller@gmail.com

The account is question inactive since April 25, 2017, 04:20:45 PM. So it's not worth even tag that user, but I believe that account also changed hands somehow. Because all the related accounts came from account farmer based on your presented evidence. I think more alts would be revealed by deep investigation.

From what I can recall this account was returned to the owner several months after the loan was taken.

So, the account wasn't sold by you. But I quite curious why you had deleted all the related replies there and the main thread's contents have been cleared.

Anyway, the account changed hand, that's the main fact, no matter how.

[Kittygalore]

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I didn't plagiarize, just tried to bend the rules because I was not able to complete a minimum(15) Posts.
I found a good loophole in the campaign since there was no rule regarding this and even not on the forum they have such a rule so i thought i should keep it that way rather than writing a post and could focus on other works.

Isn't bending the rules is just a borderline breaking the rules, a good loophole doesn't need to bend the rules, it needs to look like it complies with the rule but at the same time the authorities can't see any problems that might raise some flags. I mean if you didn't met the minimum, why not just accept that you can't reach the minimum posts and move on. Doing it once or twice could work but doing it all the time will raise some suspicions.

[SmokerFace]

The posts in english also differ a bit as far as I can judge, i.e. in 2017/2018 it sounded like a non-native person, but the latest posts read native (for me).

So you think someone's English can't improve in a span of 2-3 years?, I'm a non native English speaker that took grammar classes, still learning.

Anyway, the account changed hand, that's the main fact, no matter how.

The account didn't change hands people here tags someone so easily without any valid proof,, I wouldn't have paid the previous loan by working if i wanted to sell this account.
But Nah doesn't matter I'm off explaining hf playing DT games.

[worldofcoins]

The posts in english also differ a bit as far as I can judge, i.e. in 2017/2018 it sounded like a non-native person, but the latest posts read native (for me).

So you think someone's English can't improve in a span of 2-3 years?, I'm a non native English speaker that took grammar classes, still learning.

Anyway, the account changed hand, that's the main fact, no matter how.

The account didn't change hands people here tags someone so easily without any valid proof,, I wouldn't have paid the previous loan by working if i wanted to sell this account.
But Nah doesn't matter I'm off explaining hf playing DT games.

Your english is far better than your other posts and compared to 2017 posts you've achieved a lot.
I have a gut feeling that if you continued posting the way you're posting in this thread -which is constructive and good for readers then you would've earned merits and ranked up quite easily but copying and pasting previous posts while inside a campaign doesn't make a good impression.
I've gone through your replies and I've come to conclusion -you shouldn't post if you can't but you kept posting previous replies of yours which is unethical.
Even though there were no rules like you said and i agree with you but you should've kept your moral compass straight thinking about the company you're working for.

[lovesmayfamilis]

I also read all of SmokerFace's posts, and not only his but also his viola. There all the time he wants the task of taking a loan from someone and also advises everyone to buy accounts with which it will be easier to make money on the forum. I can say that when you read messages in a row, you get some impression about the person. And I doubt that the one who campaigned for the purchase of forum accounts so much and was in great need of money never bought or did not seek to sell his account. Therefore, I agree with the Coolcryptovator tag, the SmokerFace account has changed ownership.

[SmokerFace]

Your english is far better than your other posts and compared to 2017 posts you've achieved a lot.
I have a gut feeling that if you continued posting the way you're posting in this thread -which is constructive and good for readers then you would've earned merits and ranked up quite easily but copying and pasting previous posts while inside a campaign doesn't make a good impression.

Thx, you intentionally wrote this big reply to get merits, didn't you?  

Even though there were no rules like you said and i agree with you but you should've kept your moral compass straight thinking about the company you're working for.

So you agree I didn't break any rules disregarding our beliefs!

And I doubt that the one who campaigned for the purchase of forum accounts so much and was in great need of money never bought or did not seek to sell his account. Therefore, I agree with the Coolcryptovator tag, the SmokerFace account has changed ownership.

Just because I didn't try to sell my account after coming back means the account is already sold? GJ Sherlock, great logic you got there.

[DireWolfM14]

From what I can recall this account was returned to the owner several months after the loan was taken. The user could not pay so completed some writing work for me instead.

I do not know what happened once he got his account back, but can assume it changed hands given the change in writing style/purpose.

I'm sorry, but I'm having a hard time believing this, maybe I'm just being overly skeptical and cynical, but just being honest.

The account didn't change hands people here tags someone so easily without any valid proof,, I wouldn't have paid the previous loan by working if i wanted to sell this account.
But Nah doesn't matter I'm off explaining hf playing DT games.

The last password change was two years before the account woke up, which brings up the question; why would someone repay a loan to retrieve the account and not use it?  

There are too many strange things about the loan, and whether it was paid off or not.  Not the least of strange things is the fact that Parodium deleted his messages in loan request thread.  If he was afraid of losing his funds he would want those posts there as proof that his loan was defaulted.  The only reason to delete those posts is the hide the fact that a loan was given.  Also, SmokerFace deleted the text of the OP of the loan request thread.  Only a scammer would get a loan and then delete the text of the request.  Or, someone trying to hide the fact that a loan was given...

Another strange thing about the excuse given by Parodium; no reviews were left for the transaction, good, bad, or indifferent.  If the loan wasn't paid, but had to be "worked-off" why wouldn't Parodium leave a neutral review to warn other lenders?

In my opinion the most likely scenario is that Parodium still has control of the account, and tried to use it to recoup his lost funds.  I have no proof, of course, but something doesn't smell right about all this.  

[worldofcoins]

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The thread of loan was updated on 9 Nov 2020 to canceled (http://prntscr.com/10fi1u8) maybe this is the time when the new account owner started posting on that account.
Coming to the password, Which was initially changed on 15/8/2018 and parodium said after some months loan was paid then the next password change was on 19/11/2018(i think this is when the original owner changed the password).
I also think after getting the account back it was sold again on or off the forum.
Smokerface seemed in need to be in a campaign and was trying hard to be in but I can't find parodium trying as hard as smokerface with his account so I don't think pardoium is smokerface.
If smokerface is parodium then he would want most or all of his accounts to be in some campaign or at least try to but this doesn't seem to be the case.

The history of "Smokerface's" trying to sell the account should also be taken into consideration which is why tags should remain.
Edit: SmokerFace should have no problem trying to sign a message from his old address to prove his ownership.

[lovesmayfamilis]

In my opinion the most likely scenario is that Parodium still has control of the account, and tried to use it to recoup his lost funds.  I have no proof, of course, but something doesn't smell right about all this.  

I looked at the Parodium account. And considering that he himself writes that he is a native Briton who knows Romanian.

I'm native British, I have two degrees in scientific fields and have written numerous dissertations and contributed to a couple of PhD theses.

Hello there, I'm fluent in both English and Romanian. I'm also capable of writing highly complex papers in either language if you require.

 It turns out that he also owns an account that previously belonged to a Russian-speaking person who speaks Polish.

Hi,

I can do translation from/to next languages:

1. Polish
2. Ukrainian
3. Russian

PM me if you are interested in those additional languages.

Thank you. 

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Either Parodium is a polyglot, or somewhere disingenuous, in that it does not leave the accounts of defaulters for itself.

[suchmoon]

Either Parodium is a polyglot, or somewhere disingenuous, in that it does not leave the accounts of defaulters for itself.

spiker777's posts have been edited after Parodium posted that address (not after, I misread the dates; still very suspicious that all posts mentioning that address were edited in January 2018). Could be a setup.

[Little Mouse]

Could be a setup.

It seems like that and this is what I think too. spiker777 has posted this address (I doubt, he edited actually) on March 18, 2017 but the address has been used on 01/01/2018 for the first time and after few days, on 11th January 2018, spiker777 have added both of his posts. I would say all these are a set up.