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April 28, 2021, 01:03:00 AM
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In world, there is hierarchy, that is why some people are rich, some are average, some are not that rich but still having good living some are poor, while the poor still look at some and still appreciate life because they are poorer. I am beginning to thinking laziness can be the result of some people not having good living, while some is purely due to ignorant an lack of knowledge and exposure, some even only lack information.

I am thinking with how people is, is there a way possible for everyone to live without being poor, though their can be hierarchy but in a way no one is poor? But I am thinking it is not possible. If anything happens today that the poor are richer and got richer than the rich people, the rich people will become poor too because life is not just balance.

Economically, can there be a way people can live and no one will be poor?

sometimes, the lazy one can make good living. with good or bad act that can make the laziness got profit. and you can see, there are many hardwork man try the best as they can, but still have none. sometime, people need the other privilege, so they can make a good life.

to make it balance, the world create poor and the rich one. we cant deny it, people just to select which way is better for them by working hard.

many people hate to see poor man, because they hard to live the life. and the good think is, if you have more needs, you can give them as much as you can. just to help live a life for days or week.
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April 28, 2021, 02:54:42 AM
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If we look back when our ancestors still lived a nomadic life. their social status is equal. no one is rich and no one is poor. each individual does work by the expertise to get food (survival) and each result is divided fairly according to their respective needs.

If today every country and government has a fair lifestyle, I believe there will be no more poverty.
in my country such a system seems less suitable, where nowadays there are always the rich and the poor. the rich will need the power of the poor, and vice versa the poor will need help from the rich. Even though the government itself will look after the poor, I don't think it's very effective, where in the end we ourselves have to fight for our own welfare.

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April 28, 2021, 04:52:47 AM
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in my country such a system seems less suitable, where nowadays there are always the rich and the poor. the rich will need the power of the poor, and vice versa the poor will need help from the rich. Even though the government itself will look after the poor, I don't think it's very effective, where in the end we ourselves have to fight for our own welfare.

From what I have seen, many of the poor people have a sense of hatred towards the rich (i.e successful people). They believe that the rich people are responsible for their suffering and the resources should be shared in a more equitable way. I don't find their views very appealing. If they want to get out of poverty, then they need to work hard rather than showing hatred for people who have been successful in life. After all, only the rich people are paying taxes and these taxes are in turn used for providing handouts and free education/medical care for the poor people.

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April 28, 2021, 06:20:38 AM
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in my country such a system seems less suitable, where nowadays there are always the rich and the poor. the rich will need the power of the poor, and vice versa the poor will need help from the rich. Even though the government itself will look after the poor, I don't think it's very effective, where in the end we ourselves have to fight for our own welfare.

From what I have seen, many of the poor people have a sense of hatred towards the rich (i.e successful people). They believe that the rich people are responsible for their suffering and the resources should be shared in a more equitable way. I don't find their views very appealing. If they want to get out of poverty, then they need to work hard rather than showing hatred for people who have been successful in life. After all, only the rich people are paying taxes and these taxes are in turn used for providing handouts and free education/medical care for the poor people.
Not like that. the poor don't hate all the rich. in my view, the rich are divided into 2 groups:

first: the ruling elite (government, politicians, and the country)
second: business elite (successful traders, business people, and investors)

the business elite has paid taxes to the ruler. but the ruler does not do justice. they corrupt the tax returns and income of business people and do not give it to the poor.

so, the poor usually hate the country and the government. usually, this happens in Asian countries. I rarely find poor people hating business people because business people still care about poverty. but the state and the government are not like that.

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April 28, 2021, 08:32:34 AM
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Poor in what sense, do they look very sad and very difficult to pay for their daily lives or are they poor because they cannot follow the standards of the rich category? I guess everything has levels so if everyone can make ends meet and it's not too difficult to make money I guess that's standard even though they don't have luxury goods or many assets.
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April 28, 2021, 09:20:24 AM
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In world, there is hierarchy, that is why some people are rich, some are average, some are not that rich but still having good living some are poor, while the poor still look at some and still appreciate life because they are poorer. I am beginning to thinking laziness can be the result of some people not having good living, while some is purely due to ignorant an lack of knowledge and exposure, some even only lack information.

I am thinking with how people is, is there a way possible for everyone to live without being poor, though their can be hierarchy but in a way no one is poor? But I am thinking it is not possible. If anything happens today that the poor are richer and got richer than the rich people, the rich people will become poor too because life is not just balance.

Economically, can there be a way people can live and no one will be poor?

sometimes, the lazy one can make good living. with good or bad act that can make the laziness got profit. and you can see, there are many hardwork man try the best as they can, but still have none. sometime, people need the other privilege, so they can make a good life.

to make it balance, the world create poor and the rich one. we cant deny it, people just to select which way is better for them by working hard.

many people hate to see poor man, because they hard to live the life. and the good think is, if you have more needs, you can give them as much as you can. just to help live a life for days or week.





The truth is money gotten immorally cannot be counted as riches. I would just focus on the contributions of every individual to society/people and how the contributions have help society without too much negative consequences.   I believe there are lots of people who work for free or people who get paid below the actual price of the good work they do.   

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April 28, 2021, 03:36:46 PM
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When I think about poverty and the poor, there are many connections.
The poor take the form of incapable of working, low-income workers who have additional obligations to support other family members.
The cause of poverty comes from subjective and objective circumstances.
Subjective circumstances: laziness, enjoyment, low education, low level of labor, ability to communicate.
Objective circumstances: National policy, burdened with feeding more family members, incapacitation due to accidents, birth defects, underemployment, epidemics, food problems nation. The above problems come from a specific country. Each country has a distinct difference if you try to compare a few countries of the world.
Poverty and the poor always appear and standards vary from country to country. I firmly believe that the poor exist for the reasons I have listed above.

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April 29, 2021, 11:56:19 AM
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When I think about poverty and the poor, there are many connections.
The poor take the form of incapable of working, low-income workers who have additional obligations to support other family members.
The cause of poverty comes from subjective and objective circumstances.
Subjective circumstances: laziness, enjoyment, low education, low level of labor, ability to communicate.
Objective circumstances: National policy, burdened with feeding more family members, incapacitation due to accidents, birth defects, underemployment, epidemics, food problems nation. The above problems come from a specific country. Each country has a distinct difference if you try to compare a few countries of the world.
Poverty and the poor always appear and standards vary from country to country. I firmly believe that the poor exist for the reasons I have listed above.
I agree with what you've stated. We won't be able to eradicate poverty in any society because it will still exist, regardless of the government's policies.

And, besides, poor people were there to keep the environment in balance; if we're all wealthy, who would make progress, particularly in agriculture, because we have no one to rely on? No one can employ to make the system full and profitable, so rich people can't start a business.

It's human nature for some people to want to be above and to govern, to fulfill their needs by the use of other people.
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April 29, 2021, 03:55:02 PM
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We believe the world will not have poverty. It was a dream about a warm life. Truth, every country has rich and poor people. If you are rich as a charity or share, help others so that the world is no longer the poor.
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When I think about poverty and the poor, there are many connections.
The poor take the form of incapable of working, low-income workers who have additional obligations to support other family members.
The cause of poverty comes from subjective and objective circumstances.
Subjective circumstances: laziness, enjoyment, low education, low level of labor, ability to communicate.
Objective circumstances: National policy, burdened with feeding more family members, incapacitation due to accidents, birth defects, underemployment, epidemics, food problems nation. The above problems come from a specific country. Each country has a distinct difference if you try to compare a few countries of the world.
Poverty and the poor always appear and standards vary from country to country. I firmly believe that the poor exist for the reasons I have listed above.
I agree with what you've stated. We won't be able to eradicate poverty in any society because it will still exist, regardless of the government's policies.

And, besides, poor people were there to keep the environment in balance; if we're all wealthy, who would make progress, particularly in agriculture, because we have no one to rely on? No one can employ to make the system full and profitable, so rich people can't start a business.

It's human nature for some people to want to be above and to govern, to fulfill their needs by the use of other people.
no human being can fulfill his own needs, with the existence of various levels of human social strata, there will be mutual need for each other. and I think it is very difficult to bring every society to the same level. although the government tries to equalize it but in practice it is very difficult, even in developed countries
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May 01, 2021, 03:46:48 PM
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a world without poverty is impossible....the fate, fortunes, intelligence, confidence and hard work of everyone are different.  

We believe the world will not have poverty. It was a dream about a warm life. Truth, every country has rich and poor people. If you are rich as a charity or share, help others so that the world is no longer the poor.
poverty is one of the products produced by the world, we cannot help every poor person with the money we have because it will only make it difficult for us.  i agree more with the wise words that say "to the rich, it is better to give fishing rods (work) than fish (money or food) to the poor"

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The billionaires will not want that whole world to become rich. If everyone has the money, then the rich will have no value. There will be no one willing to do small jobs. The world system is running because there are few rich people and few poor people. If all of the people become rich, it will be difficult to live in the world.
That's a toxic way of thinking because not everyone wants to be rich, a lot of people are content that they have a daily bread and have a little surplus, it's not like everyone is trying to get to the top, some are happy to be somewhere where they don't have to sleep off the hunger. Isn't that too much too ask? If they continue with this mindset, we are going to not see a lot of advancement in different fields because somewhere out there, some of the people that had a potential to change the world has died of hunger.

Everyone will and should try to get rich (as we are already doing and working every day) but not everyone can reach the same height of richness and some will remain poor or even become more poorer. That's how nature wants us to be in order to run the system of the world. You may call it toxic but its a sad reality.
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May 02, 2021, 09:51:08 AM
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If everyone starts to learn about agriculture or backyard farming, even being jobless, they won't be hungry and will have something to put on their table. Yes, they might be jobless but they won't be poor because they can still provide for themselves. But the dream of having the world to have a zero poverty rate, I doubt it to happen but that's a very good thought from an individual.

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May 03, 2021, 09:29:29 AM
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a world without poverty is impossible....the fate, fortunes, intelligence, confidence and hard work of everyone are different.  

We believe the world will not have poverty. It was a dream about a warm life. Truth, every country has rich and poor people. If you are rich as a charity or share, help others so that the world is no longer the poor.
poverty is one of the products produced by the world, we cannot help every poor person with the money we have because it will only make it difficult for us.  i agree more with the wise words that say "to the rich, it is better to give fishing rods (work) than fish (money or food) to the poor"

You have to be realistic and objectively assess the situation, and take into account that very often the "disadvantaged", the "poor" do not want to try to change their lives on their own, they believe that the rich are obliged to share with them, and give them not a fishing rod, but just fish, and do it constantly because "they are rich and I am poor and unhappy." Try to offer "homeless people" not to ask and collect handouts, but for example to start working - most likely they will scold you and refuse to work.

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June 11, 2021, 11:20:16 AM
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Poverty primarily means the lack of the necessary material well-being: food, clothing, normal housing, as well as other material wealth and luxury goods. In our world, poverty has been at all times and it seems that this problem will persist for the foreseeable future. We are still at a very low stage in the development of science and technology, the necessary technologies that would provide people with these material benefits. In principle, people are to blame for this themselves, constant wars lead to the destruction of a significant part of material wealth and technology. It remains to be hoped that someday humanity will grow up.

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June 11, 2021, 01:05:55 PM
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Technically, another way to rephrase this question is "Can everyone be rich?", or "Can poor people be completely eliminated from the society?".
In my opinion, i don't see it as ever being possible, because first the Rich and the Poor are two sides of a coin both bringing balance to what we call society.

Secondly, the state of being rich means having plenty that is in comparison with another person's own and as far as it goes, a set of persons in society will always have more than another set if persons.

So it will be very difficult even near impossible for the world to be without poverty.

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June 11, 2021, 03:00:58 PM
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Poverty primarily means the lack of the necessary material well-being: food, clothing, normal housing, as well as other material wealth and luxury goods. In our world, poverty has been at all times and it seems that this problem will persist for the foreseeable future. We are still at a very low stage in the development of science and technology, the necessary technologies that would provide people with these material benefits. In principle, people are to blame for this themselves, constant wars lead to the destruction of a significant part of material wealth and technology. It remains to be hoped that someday humanity will grow up.
- Wars around the world in the past probably affected many generations behind, quite a few generations have become backward and underdeveloped in science and knowledge, the governments of countries are also working to improve such lands but there are quite a few reasons that make their efforts go to waste because the cooperation of the people in the poor lands is not so great, they like the life of nature and wild. Even if we stop these actions, they will also try to escape, the world will also produce more generations of poverty in this style


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June 11, 2021, 03:23:18 PM
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Technically, another way to rephrase this question is "Can everyone be rich?", or "Can poor people be completely eliminated from the society?".
In my opinion, i don't see it as ever being possible, because first the Rich and the Poor are two sides of a coin both bringing balance to what we call society.

Then we are just animals! And the wolf will always eat the sheep!

Of course, this world can be without poverty! But that to happen, people, all people have to be at some higher levels of awareness! That to happen we need some miracles, and I don't see that this can happen in my lifetime... maybe some future generations will be a lot smarter... at least I hope for that! Because this now is shit, and probably it was shit before... and we need some changes, world needs some changes if we wish our kids and grandkids to live in some "normal" world!

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June 12, 2021, 04:58:32 AM
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There can be two scenarios. In capitalist system, we will be having 3 classes of people - around 5% who are rich, another 90% who are in the middle-class with a relatively comfortable style of living, and then the remaining 5% comprised of "poor" people. The in socialist system we will have only two classes of people - 1% of the population will be ultra-rich (mostly the ruling elite) and then the remaining 99% of the people will be poor. It is up to the people to chose which system they want in their country.
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June 12, 2021, 04:17:31 PM
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There can be two scenarios. In capitalist system, we will be having 3 classes of people - around 5% who are rich, another 90% who are in the middle-class with a relatively comfortable style of living, and then the remaining 5% comprised of "poor" people. The in socialist system we will have only two classes of people - 1% of the population will be ultra-rich (mostly the ruling elite) and then the remaining 99% of the people will be poor. It is up to the people to chose which system they want in their country.
I see. indeed it cannot be separated from the point of view of the government officials who set it. in my country using a capitalist system, which means it is impossible to eliminate the poor, the poor will always exist due to inequality. Even though the state has guaranteed it in the law, the evidence is that until now there are always poor people, and the number can only be reduced

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