This discussion already happened 100's of times. Do people have to debunk this again?
Oh well I'll just do that myself and save everyone the trouble.
Bitcoin mixers and coin mixers in general are only designed for criminals and are only used for criminals.
Wrong.
Have you ever thought that they can be used to hide money from criminals? If you win a large amount of BTC and want to move it somewhere where people won't harass and extort you for it then you'd use a mixer.
It's very sad that this forum allows ads from coin mixers. People representing them in their signatures are also supporting criminals.
No, they are supporting the groups they want to support and they each have their reasons for them.
Each person will give you a different answer to this question and it's wrong to generalize that everyone using or advertising a mixer somehow whether through a site, ad or just an informal vouch is supporting criminals because if you take the time to ask each of them one by one you will eventually find out that people don't actually support criminals at all. If you ask me for example it's because I support people's right to hide their own money - which others don't have the right to see in the first place.
This coin mixers are used to hide transactions made from deals like drugs and child pornography or any other crimes. And nothing else.
You definitely know the underlined part is false but maybe you won't admit it?
All the instructions which can be found online are literally telling you how to avoid being trace and hide your money.
This is basically saying that everybody is entitled to see where everybody else's money is and where they send it too. By contrast I don't think you would agree to let random people know where or what you spend your cash on, after all it's none of their business
All those coin mixers are illegal only alone by the fact that they are not even a company or anything. There's no single legal address. They have no financial license. And even all the scam brokers have one.
Sorry but "legal" is a subjective word that means different things to people/countries/entities. What is legal in one country may not be legal in another and also may not feel legal to you either. But each has their own definition of what is legal and you can't change that.
"...are illegal only alone by the fact that they are not even a company or anything" is utter bollocks because you don't have to have a legal document and registered company to offer services in bitcoin or even cash.
By the way, you may want to retract that underlined part because the scam brokers use fake "The Company's House" addresses in the UK, it takes like 5 minutes to cross check and verify that they don't actually exist.
And don't come with things like "Its also a use case for some poor guy in Iran who has to hide". That's bullshit. And you know its a lie.
I'm glad you know that too because literally no one in Iran who earns bitcoin honestly has to mix it to hide it from governments, the very fact it's in a bitcoin address provides enough obfuscation
Sorry but that are all very blank statements. First of all Bitcoin is a digital currency and not a product designed for criminals. Besides that it is very dumb for criminals to use bitcoins but that's an huge other topic. I only say that over 400 darknet markets went down due to bitcoin and a cyber criminal got arrested for ordering pizza with his bitcoin wallet. Doing crime on bitcoins is a big advantage for law enforcement. You can do more way way crimes on fiat (digital).
And we can blame the mixers. Its only used by and only designed for criminals. That's their whole business module. People running mixers got all arrested in the past, now sentencing over 10 years in federal prison.
I cant say: "Im running an marketplace called DRUGMARKET but police and nobody can't blame me for people selling illicit goods" or "Does to fault of child porn sites really goes to the creator?"
Dude, are you aware that most of darknet markets use only Monero?
Why not fume about that instead?
Operating a bitcoin mixer is running an criminal enterprise. Like a drug ring or something else.
Judges also not blaming the axe manufacture in a court case when a murder with an axe happened. They charge the murderer.
Your second sentence completely contradicts the first, by this logic a judge will charge the criminal who used the mixer not the mixer operators.
Sorry you are so right.....
We should support child porn. Sexual freedom! Everyone else is a anti-sexual-fredoom-for-everyone-including-pedos-blablabla
We should support drug traffickers like MS13 who kill over 50k people a year. Everyone else is RACIST, ANTI-HUMAN-BECAUSE-EVERYONE-IS-THE-SAME-LETSGO-DIRTY-HEROIN-DESTROYS-LIFE. Because people also order MS13 to cut their weed!!
We also should support darknet market were identity theft and other crimes happens. BECAUSE THERE ALSO PEOPLE BUYING THEIR GROCERIES THERE!! Everyone else is ANTI-I-BUY-DRUGS-ON-THE-DARKNET
I think you are the only person in this entire thread who thinks that
Cyber criminals still use bitcoin, because its still the most used currency in the darknet (for whatever reason) and the most easy to use coin for ransomware (most known and easiest to get for ransomware victims). New ones started using XMR and its getting started more popular in the underworld. XMR would be worth an additional post
Yeah, only thiefs whose intention is to
steal bitcoin will use bitcoin, have you ever thought of that and how it's completely misaligned with your criticism of mixers? One would think you'd be criticizing the thieves, gangsters, rapists who use bitcoin but instead of challenging the enabler, you've succumbed to... attacking a defenseless industry?
~potty rant about "supporting"
I want to feel bad for people crusading against bitcoin mixers because even if they all disappear their effort is wasted; most of the entire darknet has moved to XMR, but I don't. Maybe it's because I just don't care about them anymore. But one thing's for sure I was definitely not paid to debunk this.
You're welcome.
