[self mod] Flag to user DarkStar_

[~DefaultTrust]

Create the self-moderated thread to avoid spam and offtopic

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In general, this situation, that all users of the ru-lokal were removed from this campaign, resembles the situation with the Kalemder or, whatever, from Turkish community.

He was accepted, and then, soon removed. And, since then, there have been 3 or 4 new sets in the campaign, and not a single user from Turkish locale has made it there. I remember that even Vispilio created a topic with a claim to the manager about this.

If in the next sets of new participants to the chipmixer no one is taken from the ru-locale, then this will most likely mean that our locale has become the second rogue locale along with the Turkish one, whose users will be ignored when choosing candidates.

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Quite an interesting situation, taking into account the fact that Russian locale is a significant part of users of both mixers and crypts in general (peculiarities of the state and its relationship with citizens: D).
I remember very well Vispilio's claims, and although I disagree with the form of their presentation, they had a very good basis.
After the Turkish community joined (apparently) and ru, the situation became even more intriguing:

It looks like user DarkStar_ is a racist. His attitude towards people depends on their nationality. I consider it necessary to warn everyone else about this user.
I ask all who are not indifferent to support my flag for user DarkStar_

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[suchmoon]

So you created a locked and a self-mod thread and didn't even link to the flag. Good thing you have a username that screams "trust abusing troll" so there is no doubt as to what's going on here.

There is a Turkish user in the campaign BTW. Not that facts matter for you.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

There is a Turkish user in the campaign BTW. Not that facts matter for you.

And I'm sure there are Chipmixer campaign members from all over the world, and who knows what race everyone is?  And who cares?  Probably not DarkStar_. 

Being racist would warrant a neutral trust at best, but IMO it's something that should be left alone on a discussion forum that values free speech.  If he wrote something racist, you're free to challenge it with your own speech (though I rarely see DarkStar_ post much, and he's certainly never come off as a racist in any case).  In short, there's no need for a flag against him or anyone else for any race-related crap.

[TheBeardedBaby]

I've been on that campaign for almost 2 years and for that time I haven't seen any issues with DS_ decisions. Why a campaign should be spread across the different local boards? Is there any rule that says so? I don't think people should question the selections,  ChipMixer is the customer and they can say if they need people from the local secions, if they don't see any problem with the way DS_ is doing his job then the other talk is irrelevant.

The deal is between DS_ and ChipMixer, you have no power here and stop twisting the really that someone is racist or not. I don't think DS_ has to explain his decisions at all, he is the Campaign Manager, so he makes the rules.

[~DefaultTrust]

So you created a locked and a self-mod thread and didn't even link to the flag.

So what is wrong with this? Where is it written that I should link to the flag?

Good thing you have a username that screams "trust abusing troll"

Turn on your brain if you have something to turn on.
My username is screams "troll against trust abusers".

There is a Turkish user in the campaign BTW.

Please speak more quietly, otherwise you will be heard and there will be no more Turks in the campaign again

Being racist would warrant a neutral trust at best

Why there will be "at best"? Due to the racist views of this user, other users have lost money.

[LoyceV]

So you created a locked and a self-mod thread

I remember he was very concerned with locked or self-moderated Flag threads.

It looks like user DarkStar_ is a racist. His attitude towards people depends on their nationality.

I've Opposed the Flag, and while I'm at it I Opposed the other Flag on DarkStar_ too.
There's only one reason:
Being a racist and changing your attitude depending on nationality does not mean there's a high risk of losing money.

The fact that I don't believe DarkStar_ is racist doesn't even matter. Let's call it a bonus. Besides, "race" doesn't have much to do with nationality nowadays anyway.

[~DefaultTrust]

There's only one reason:
Being a racist and changing your attitude depending on nationality does not mean there's a high risk of losing money.

A very hypocritical reason. But no one expected anything else from you. Users have already lost money.

The fact that I don't believe DarkStar_ is racist doesn't even matter. Let's call it a bonus. Besides, "race" doesn't have much to do with nationality nowadays anyway.

Bla-bla-bla.
Nazism is even worse than racism. If you are able to understand what this is all about

[eddie13]

DS is fine..

Depending on your specific perception of what a “racist” is, to me it could either be bad, or possibly even a GOOD thing, imo..
Depends on if it’s the truth or not..

Opposed..

[DireWolfM14]

Is all this drama over Ratimov being kicked off the Chipmixer campaign?

This is such a prime example of chickenshit deflection; blame the campaign manager and cry "Racism," rather than look at Ratimov's actions.  Let's pretend for a second that DarkStar_ isn't a racist, what other reason could he have had to remove Ratimov?   

[AB de Royse777]

I ask all who are not indifferent to support my flag for user DarkStar_

I do not think this flag needs any support or oppose. That's not why the flag system has been created. Please read the topic about Trust flag. DarkStar_ did not scam anyone or stole money from anyone.

It looks like user DarkStar_ is a racist. His attitude towards people depends on their nationality. I consider it necessary to warn everyone else about this user.

Coming down to this. Just because he removed some local participants and not finding suitable users from the local board does not mean someone is racist. I bet there are plenty of local boards where no participants are in Chipmixer, does that make DarkStar_ is racist? No, of course it does not.

[~DefaultTrust]

Is all this drama over Ratimov being kicked off the Chipmixer campaign?    

Not only Ratimov.
taikuri13 was removed too. taikuri13 wrote a lot in the Russian locale. Now they stopped paying him and in the Russians had almost nothing to read.

I bet there are plenty of local boards where no participants are in Chipmixer, does that make DarkStar_ is racist? No, of course it does not.

Invalid comparison. There are more Russian users on this forum than all the others combined.

[AB de Royse777]

There are more Russian users on this forum than all the others combined.

If I am not wrong then Turkish local had a good number of users. Maybe LoyceV can confirm it with his stats.

Anyway, I do not think it's none of ours business of who will be in a campaign and who won't be in the same campaign. DarkStar_ is getting paid to this job and let him decide how he wants. I do not see any problem here.

On a side note: I do not think there are many people who would manage a serious campaign like Chipmixer for this long period of time. When there is a position open we see hundreds of application and picking up one or two good users is not an easy job. Chipmixer campaign discovered many talents. Yes there were some discrete incidents of abusing the campaign (for example figmentofuckmyass) but those users were too smart to hide their wrongdoings. DarkStars_'s integrity was no way near to question. No disrespects to yahoo and Hhampuz. They are also the best in the campaigns they manage.

Anyway, I left my 2 cents on this topic and I do not think there are much talk left from me. I am out now.

[suchmoon]

Is all this drama over Ratimov being kicked off the Chipmixer campaign?

This is such a prime example of chickenshit deflection; blame the campaign manager and cry "Racism," rather than look at Ratimov's actions.  Let's pretend for a second that DarkStar_ isn't a racist, what other reason could he have had to remove Ratimov?   

To be fair, Ratimov himself admitted that DarkStar_ can remove anyone for any reason. The OP is just engaging in his usual shit-stirring trollfuckery. I would suggest everyone just oppose the flag and move on without feeding him too much. Chances are that your posts will be selectively deleted later to make this thread into some bullshit narrative for OP's next project.

[~DefaultTrust]

To be fair, Ratimov himself admitted that DarkStar_ can remove anyone for any reason.

This topic is not about Ratimov but DarkStar_'s reputation.
So it looks like the post above was sponsored by pedophiles and drug dealers. Chipmixer stop flooding this thread.

[DarkStar_]

Won't bother arguing because it'll end up being a waste of time and ~DefaultTrust won't change his mind anyway. Minor points that I'd like to mention:

He was accepted, and then, soon removed. And, since then, there have been 3 or 4 new sets in the campaign, and not a single user from Turkish locale has made it there. I remember that even Vispilio created a topic with a claim to the manager about this.

See Bthd.

If in the next sets of new participants to the chipmixer no one is taken from the ru-locale, then this will most likely mean that our locale has become the second rogue locale along with the Turkish one, whose users will be ignored when choosing candidates.

I don't have any "rogue" locales. No acceptances for a period of time doesn't imply that I'm unwilling to accept anyone from a certain section. (especially if that period of time is 2 days  ).

[actmyname]

Not only Ratimov.
taikuri13 was removed too. taikuri13 wrote a lot in the Russian locale. Now they stopped paying him and in the Russians had almost nothing to read.

Never mind the fact that Ratimov and taikuri13 were removed a month apart:

Did you know that you can always find a minority group in a dataset where there exists a majority? It's true! There's always exclusion, everywhere! I guess the universe is biased or something tautologically.

Invalid comparison. There are more Russian users on this forum than all the others combined.

Alternate comparison: there are more users posting bullshit in Altcoin Discussion and Announcements than the other boards in the forum.It's also interesting, the concept of "lost money" in this scenario.

The loss of opportunity (for wealth generation) is directly comparable to scamming? I don't see the equivalence here. It's as if I owned a bakery and you sued me for not having a position in the company. I thought contractual obligations only incorporated the initial rules, which allow for removal - should more people be given ChipMixer spots?

[~DefaultTrust]

Did you know that you can always find a minority group in a dataset where there exists a majority? It's true! There's always exclusion, everywhere!

Seriously?
Can you help me find an exclusion from an exclusion in your majority? Where is there at least one Russian?

Alternate comparison: there are more users posting bullshit in Altcoin Discussion and Announcements than the other boards in the forum.

Are you just talking about bullshit posts or everything? If about all posts and topics, then you are wrong. From secret sources I learned the following:

Altcoin Discussion
3205142 Posts
99947 Topics

Pyccкий (Russian)
4785898 Posts
129371 Topics

And if you are only talking about bullshit, then I can only repeat the words of the famous thinker, whose name I have forgotten: "you can always find a minority group in a dataset where there exists a majority"

The loss of opportunity (for wealth generation) is directly comparable to scamming? I don't see the equivalence here.

You turn everything upside down.
If an employer fires a worker because the worker is a Negro (Turk, Russian), then this is racism (the word "nazi" in Russia is considered unbearably offensive so I use another "racism"). Maybe for some, this is acceptable behavior, but the rest around should at least know about this mental feature of the employer.
How and where to tell other users that DarkStar_ is racist? Maybe I'd better create a thread on Altcoin discussion?

[actmyname]

Alternate comparison: there are more users posting bullshit in Altcoin Discussion and Announcements than the other boards in the forum.

Are you just talking about bullshit posts or everything? If about all posts and topics, then you are wrong. From secret sources I learned the following:

Altcoin Discussion
3205142 Posts
99947 Topics

Pyccкий (Russian)
4785898 Posts
129371 Topics

Announcements (Altcoins)
8698710 Posts
46658 Topics

And if you are only talking about bullshit, then I can only repeat the words of the famous thinker, whose name I have forgotten: "you can always find a minority group in a dataset where there exists a majority"

If one side is called the majority, then the other side is called the ________.

The loss of opportunity (for wealth generation) is directly comparable to scamming? I don't see the equivalence here.

You turn everything upside down.
If an employer fires a worker because the worker is a Negro (Turk, Russian), then this is racism (the word "nazi" in Russia is considered unbearably offensive so I use another "racism"). Maybe for some, this is acceptable behavior, but the rest around should at least know about this mental feature of the employer.
How and where to tell other users that DarkStar_ is racist? Maybe I'd better create a thread on Altcoin discussion?

The claim of removing the users due to racist intent is based in some unknown observational origin. For all I know, DarkStar_ could be racist against Azerbaijani people but I don't see anyone complaining about the lack of representation in the campaign.Tossing out a bone here: what if some users on the ChipMixer campaign are also Russian or Turkish but they don't post in the local sections?

[~DefaultTrust]

Tossing out a bone here: what if some users on the ChipMixer campaign are also Russian or Turkish but they don't post in the local sections?

May be they already know about this mental feature of their employer? I consider it necessary to make everyone know about it.

[zanezane]

Being racist would warrant a neutral trust at best, but IMO it's something that should be left alone on a discussion forum that values free speech.  If he wrote something racist, you're free to challenge it with your own speech (though I rarely see DarkStar_ post much, and he's certainly never come off as a racist in any case).  In short, there's no need for a flag against him or anyone else for any race-related crap.

How are you going to challenge a racist argument because all they are going to say is illogical. Challenging a racist in a debate or an argument is far easier than walking. I don't get it, shouldn't we actively condemn racism whenever we see (not that @DarkStar_ is racist) but your reply that they should be left alone is the worst thing to do, racism, fascism and other kinds of bigotry are thriving when they are left alone, they are like cancer which will kill you in the long run but if you were to kill it while it is still small then you might prevent your death.