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March 10, 2021, 12:49:54 PM
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Every time someone comes up with a "mixers are bad" I can come up with a "mixers are for people too lazy to do it themselves way"


Do you seriously think that some lazy noobs are spending $150k-200k per week just for fun to advertise on a forum with 600 live users? It's not even funny. More like hypocrisy.

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March 10, 2021, 12:50:59 PM
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Chipmixer is getting targeted because it pays shitloads of money and everybody wants to grab some of big pie. It is as simple as this.

If a $50/week paying sig campaign's manager was not hiring a certain group of people, nobody would really give an f about it.

When the pay number goes significantly up, it takes people's attention. Jealousy makes a new ATH.

I am not telling these because I am trying to look cool to DS. I don't even send an application there anymore.

CM can go down any moment. Stop counting somebody else's money




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March 10, 2021, 02:27:51 PM
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To the blind members who might come and dare me to come with my main account, this is for you.
Please tell me you see the irony of using an alt account to protect your privacy while you rail against a service designed to protect your privacy.

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March 10, 2021, 02:47:44 PM
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To the blind members who might come and dare me to come with my main account, this is for you.
Please tell me you see the irony of using an alt account to protect your privacy while you rail against a service designed to protect your privacy.

The irony is that a privacy-protecting service sponsors people who are looking for irony in protecting the privacy.  Tongue

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March 10, 2021, 04:06:04 PM
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Do you seriously think that some lazy noobs are spending $150k-200k per week just for fun to advertise on a forum with 600 live users? It's not even funny. More like hypocrisy.

I don't usually go down to the level of internet trolls like you, but if you're already attacking someone for something, then at least don't exaggerate the numbers. CM is at 56 participants, and the maximum amount that can be paid to them per week is 56 x $1200 = $67200 assuming everyone makes 50 posts.
If you have enough intelligence at all to find a CM spreadsheet, look at the exact amount - much less than what you are falsely presenting.

Another notorious lie is that the forum has only 600 active/live users, currently that number is 5 times higher.

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March 10, 2021, 04:15:08 PM
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Do you seriously think that some lazy noobs are spending $150k-200k per week just for fun to advertise on a forum with 600 live users? It's not even funny. More like hypocrisy.

I don't usually go down to the level of internet trolls like you, but if you're already attacking someone for something, then at least don't exaggerate the numbers. CM is at 56 participants, and the maximum amount that can be paid to them per week is 56 x $1200 = $67200 assuming everyone makes 50 posts.
If you have enough intelligence at all to find a CM spreadsheet, look at the exact amount - much less than what you are falsely presenting.


I'm not going to sort out the sorts of shit. Just took the words of one of your gang
I am talking 100s and 100s of Bitcoins. Before the payments changed, there used to be payments of over 150k-200k$ every week.

You there figure it out among yourself how much you get paid.

Another notorious lie is that the forum has only 600 active/live users, currently that number is suspicious link removed.

I'm also not interested in any shit-services about this forum. I use official information https://bitcointalk.org/SSI.php?ssi_function=whosOnline

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March 10, 2021, 04:50:27 PM
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So many threads regarding Chipmixer, does it really necessary? Whoever has been applying to the campaign read the campaign rules. And Darkstar clearly stated that he has the right to remove anyone for any reason.

10. I reserve the right to disqualify any post, for any reason towards payment. This is for insurance purposes; I'm happy to talk/debate about whether a post should/shouldn't count over PM.

11. I reserve the right to remove anyone, for any reason from the campaign.

12. I reserve the right to change the rules for new pay rounds.
The above quote proves that Darkstar isn't obliged to explain why he removed someone. If the company doesn't have problems with management then we don't have the right to ask such questions. A company hires someone when he has faith in a person. We shouldn't interfere with any manager if he isn't abusing the forum rules and not abusing the trust system.





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March 10, 2021, 06:35:29 PM
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To the blind members who might come and dare me to come with my main account, this is for you.
Please tell me you see the irony of using an alt account to protect your privacy while you rail against a service designed to protect your privacy.

Isn't it even more ironic that you, who is promoting and supporting a service that mixes coins and helps scammers, is fighting against scammers on the forum?




Source please that confirms mixers are legal? I would never do the same argument ever again, the moment I can see how mixers are legal.



Yes, the pressure campaigns against CM are all about money. CM pays a lot more than any other campaign. Part of this could be that CM has so many spots, so it is well represented in many different communities in the forum. Most other campaigns have only a handful of spots, and most campaign managers do not put as much effort into trying to maximize exposure throughout the forum.

I think some of your own accounts are under the campaign that makes you advocate for them without facts and since you have a history of selling and buying accounts in bulk, lying and even faking bans on the forum, there is no reason to trust you either.

Don't reply on threads unless you have something new to add, just licking CM's balls will not get you a slot, I know DS that much.

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March 10, 2021, 06:51:58 PM
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Source please that confirms mixers are legal? I would never do the same argument ever again, the moment I can see how mixers are legal.

The burden of proof is on you. In my jurisdiction there is no law saying "Bitcoin mixers are illegal", or "Bitcoin transactions are illegal", or "owning a car wash is illegal" or any such thing so you're demanding to prove a negative. Prove that you're not Satoshi Nakamoto.

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March 10, 2021, 06:56:36 PM
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Source please that confirms mixers are legal? I would never do the same argument ever again, the moment I can see how mixers are legal.

The burden of proof is on you. In my jurisdiction there is no law saying "Bitcoin mixers are illegal", or "Bitcoin transactions are illegal", or "owning a car wash is illegal" or any such thing so you're demanding to prove a negative. Prove that you're not Satoshi Nakamoto.

First thing, you are one of the few forum members who at least make sense with their replies so I don't mean to fight you.

I already gave you the article that confirmed mixers are illegal. But let's take this one step forward. If murdering others is legal in my jurisdiction does that mean I can murder anyone and even promote guides on how one should kill others? You have to think at moral level, if something is helping scammers get away, just don't promote it.
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March 10, 2021, 07:10:44 PM
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I already gave you the article that confirmed mixers are illegal.

No. There was an article about a lawsuit against a Bitcoin mixer. Not sure how that story ended but someone (even the government) filing a lawsuit and alleging things doesn't make it a fact.

But let's take this one step forward. If murdering others is legal in my jurisdiction does that mean I can murder anyone and even promote guides on how one should kill others? You have to think at moral level, if something is helping scammers get away, just don't promote it.

Let's take it one step backward out of the fallacy land. Privacy is not murder. Scammers would get away without mixers just fine (using XMR for example) and not having mixers would limit the choices for legal uses while doing nothing to stop the scams.

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March 10, 2021, 07:35:50 PM
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Let's take it one step backward out of the fallacy land. Privacy is not murder. Scammers would get away without mixers just fine (using XMR for example) and not having mixers would limit the choices for legal uses while doing nothing to stop the scams.

I will avoid stretching it but it almost sounds like people are going to scam anyway so let's make some money by supporting them, doesn't it?

Robbers are going to get out on bail so why bother complaining and getting them arrested, instead let's take some money and let them go. Is that how you mean? By the way, I am more than happy to discuss it on PM if you have time and patience.

If scammers use Monero and get away then we have to look towards it, but that does not mean we should start supporting scammers by promoting services that facilitate them, because they will eventually find a way.
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March 10, 2021, 08:36:44 PM
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I will avoid stretching it but it almost sounds like people are going to scam anyway so let's make some money by supporting them, doesn't it?

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If scammers use Monero and get away then we have to look towards it, but that does not mean we should start supporting scammers by promoting services that facilitate them, because they will eventually find a way.

Actually no, it's not like that. People should have the chance to slam the door in the face  of anyone invading their privacy or trying to sneak in their private lives. It's the purpose of the entire work of Cypherpunks. Bitcoin follows their vision. If a law enforcing agency is surveilling the citizens, it's legal, right? But if you sneak in on your neighbour's private life is illegal right? Wrong. Actually yes, if an agency does it then it is legal and if a person does it then it becomes illegal, but in both cases  it means invading someone's privacy and this is unacceptable. Mixers help honest people preserve their privacy. Criminals will always find a way, no matter if with mixer's help or not. They do that for ages. Simple people, which have or not anything to hide, but nothing illegal, use mixers for their privacy. For not allowing intruders in their lives. For being able to slam the door in the face of any intruder.

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March 10, 2021, 08:40:44 PM
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Isn't it even more ironic that you, who is promoting and supporting a service that mixes coins and helps scammers, is fighting against scammers on the forum?
I am promoting a service which protects privacy, nothing more. If you reject every innovation based on how it may be misused, then we would still be living as cavemen.

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Isn't it even more ironic that you, who is promoting and supporting a service that mixes coins and helps scammers, is fighting against scammers on the forum?
I am promoting a service which protects privacy, nothing more. If you reject every innovation based on how it may be misused, then we would still be living as cavemen.

Good point actually. It is more about perception how one sees it. I will not debate it further but I like some of the replies and answers.

One thing we need to understand is that they aren't going to spend so much money on the signature campaign if only innocent and fair guys were using the mixer, it is quite obvious they get massive income from hackers and scammers which is ultimately paid to the signature participants.




Criminals will always find a way, no matter if with mixer's help or not. They do that for ages. Simple people, which have or not anything to hide, but nothing illegal, use mixers for their privacy. For not allowing intruders in their lives. For being able to slam the door in the face of any intruder.

I know hackers will find a way but my point was - at least we should not promote a service that helps them do it. Innocent people have numerous other ways of maintaining privacy, mixers are only making it easy.
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March 10, 2021, 10:15:29 PM
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This trolls are just giving free advertisement for Chipmixer and helping everyone else from that campaign especially members who are replying them.
Big waste of time in my opinion, but someone is getting paid for it and others are depressed alts.

Let's talk about illegal stuff and dirty money.
Did you know that 90% of dollar bills are tainted by cocaine, and with heroin, morphine, methamphetamine in lower percentage?
https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/world/study-finds-around-90-percent-of-us-dollar-notes-carry-traces-of-cocaine-2825291.html

Stop using dollar bills and don't do drugs  Cool

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March 10, 2021, 10:49:08 PM
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One thing we need to understand is that they aren't going to spend so much money on the signature campaign if only innocent and fair guys were using the mixer, it is quite obvious they get massive income from hackers and scammers which is ultimately paid to the signature participants.
Is it impossible for whales to use coins for privacy?

If I had hundreds of Bitcoins in a single input, wouldn't I want to split them before spending them so that I don't tell my local coffee shop that I have millions of dollars available?
"it is quite obvious" hinges on your preconceptions.
One more:

Those "hackers and scammers" that use the service would probably want to mix the coins multiple times across multiple services and they wouldn't bother donating to ChipMixer - which is how they make their income (+ the up-to-0.001 cutoffs, probably).

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March 10, 2021, 10:52:36 PM
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I will avoid stretching it

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Robbers

Again, privacy is not robbery. If a robber drives away in a Chevy we are not blaming GM for making money by selling a car to a criminal, are we?

If scammers use Monero and get away then we have to look towards it

Look towards what? Ban Monero?

but that does not mean we should start supporting scammers by promoting services that facilitate them, because they will eventually find a way.

You might have a point if ChipMixer existed for the sole purpose of facilitating scams but I don't think that's the case, if for no other reason than myself finding it useful and not being a scammer.

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March 10, 2021, 11:19:53 PM
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One thing that never seems to get mentioned in these "anti Chipmixer" threads is that "money laundering" isn't something that happens in a vacuum.  I can push money around a dozen bank accounts, even throw in some foreign banks for good measure, and it's not a crime.  Moving money around for privacy reasons is not illegal, because it alone is not a crime.  Money laundering is an enhancement to criminal activity.  One needs to have obtained the money through criminal acts for the act of obfuscating it's origins to be "money laundering."


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March 11, 2021, 02:38:14 AM
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I am promoting a service which protects privacy, nothing more.


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