legendster and the story of retaliatory feedbacks

[savetheFORUM]

The recent victim being myself, I decided to dig it deep and find whether he left negative feedback out of context to just me or he does it to everyone and the research bring out some results which I would like everyone who trusts him to check and decide whether this guy can be trusted, let alone being in Default Trust for the forum.

James.lent vs legendster

Legendster scammed user james.lent in 2016 by copying others work and by selling it as his own.

Source: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1380870.0

After being caught, he managed to pursue trusted members into changing their negative feedback into neutral. Everyone thought he made a mistake and deserved a second chance so changed their feedback from negative to neutral.

But how would you explain legendster leaving negative feedback to james.lent just after he exposed legendster publicly..

The feedback reads "Hello" and is negative and is left on 1st March, which is the next day after being exposed.

Source: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=396480

So basically he sold someone images which he copied and after being caught instead of apologizing he left negative feedback to the victim himself. How can someone approve of this behavior and add this user to their trust list?

The user legendster was in DT until recently which is even more concerning. You are adding someone to DT who admitted being mad and aggressive 10% of the times in his life and has a tendency to fight others even when he is at fault.


JSRAW vs legendster

JSRAW left the same feedback which most of the users did at time when they saw legendster cheating others by copying designs and selling them as his own.

JSRAW is one of the only guys who didn't remove his feedback or turned to neutral and guess what? He got a retaliatory feedback from legendster later once he felt JSRAW won't remove his feedback which was there for a valid reason.

legendster left negative feedback to JSRAW that reads "I don't trust this person." and has no reference and I tried to find if JSRAW has made any mistakes in past but could not find any.

Source: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1210969

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[savetheFORUM]

If anyone wishes, they can support the flag here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=2664

Reasons that lead me to create the flag

1- Unstable mentality, self-admitted which can cause damage to anyone who hires him. (Source: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5314329.msg56525530#msg56525530)
2- Threatening other users publicly. (same source)
3- Leaving retaliatory feedbacks without any reference or reason. (to james and JSRAW)
4- Selling copyright work as his own. (Source: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1380870.0)

[suchmoon]

Reasons that lead me to create the flag

Doesn't sound like a proper flag. Tilde is the way to deal with that stuff.

[savetheFORUM]

Reasons that lead me to create the flag

Doesn't sound like a proper flag. Tilde is the way to deal with that stuff.

That is your choice if you want to oppose or support it, I will not comment on that.

What are your views on other parts of the problem with legendster? You cannot just reply to a single part when you are taking action based on that. I would love to have your opinion on what you feel about the retaliatory feedbacks left by him on others.

[DireWolfM14]

I had legendster excluded from my trust list in the past, but several weeks ago I decided to remove him.  Part of my decision to remove him was because of my inability to find the exact post which convinced me to exclude him in the first place.  My memory does serve me however, and the reason was due to a post he made while defending his choice to participate in the Yobit campaign back in 2019.  He mentioned that he had been scammed by them, which he said justified his wearing of their banner as an attempt to recoup some of the money he lost.  That seemed like a shitty thing to do.

Since then he's sent me a few PMs mostly small talk, but always polite and frequently asking what he can do to convince me to remove him from my exclusions.  Earlier this year I decided to remove him because I didn't feel that he was such a threat.  However, this latest episode has me believing my original instinct was correct.  Although his reviews aren't blatantly wrong, many seem to share a common theme; someone calls him out for one reason or another and that person gets a red tag.

Legendster has demonstrated quite clearly that he can be a hot-head.  The thread by Mike Mayor is a prim example, even though I think his for Mike Mayor in that situation is warranted.  My objection to his being on DT stems from his attitude about it.  He strikes me as the type who desperately wants the status, and yet can't be objective and reserved enough when he has it.  I agree that he should not be on DT.

[savetheFORUM]

However, this latest episode has me believing my original instinct was correct.  Although his reviews aren't blatantly wrong, many seem to share a common theme; someone calls him out for one reason or another and that person gets a red tag.

The worst part in my opinion is that he left a guy whom he scammed -ve feedback. Like imagine getting scammed, then tagged by the scammer and imagine him being on DT.

So its more like if you do business with legendster and he somehow scams you, you are not just losing money but also getting a feedback that doesn't make sense.

Legendster has demonstrated quite clearly that he can be a hot-head.

Vod is a prime example of being a hot head but also knowing his limits and a good balance between anger and retaliation. I have never seen Vod leaving a bad feedback without a reason and if somehow he does by mistake, he is humble enough to remove it.

This guy legendster should have removed his -ve on james.lent once he realized he is on DT and has more responsibilities, at least no way you should tag a user whom you scammed lmao.

He strikes me as the type who desperately wants the status, and yet can't be objective and reserved enough when he has it.  I agree that he should not be on DT.

That was my point. He will again try and convince people to add him to their trust list, the problem is that he isn't working on his attitude and problems instead he is trying to make others adjust to his bad attitude.

I would love to hear from him why he left james.lent negative feedback just because he exposed you? Man, have some humanity to at least admit your scam and just apologize instead of tagging him and if even that, you should have removed it right away once you got included in DT.

[suchmoon]

Reasons that lead me to create the flag

Doesn't sound like a proper flag. Tilde is the way to deal with that stuff.

That is your choice if you want to oppose or support it, I will not comment on that.

What are your views on other parts of the problem with legendster? You cannot just reply to a single part when you are taking action based on that. I would love to have your opinion on what you feel about the retaliatory feedbacks left by him on others.

That is my view. He's misusing the trust system in his personal squabbles ==> tilde. Speaking of retaliatory feedbacks - you did exactly that against him.

[savetheFORUM]

Reasons that lead me to create the flag

Doesn't sound like a proper flag. Tilde is the way to deal with that stuff.

That is your choice if you want to oppose or support it, I will not comment on that.

What are your views on other parts of the problem with legendster? You cannot just reply to a single part when you are taking action based on that. I would love to have your opinion on what you feel about the retaliatory feedbacks left by him on others.

That is my view. He's misusing the trust system in his personal squabbles ==> tilde. Speaking of retaliatory feedbacks - you did exactly that against him.

I didn't, after he left me the feedback, I just researched and stated facts in my feedbacks which I found.

[legendster]

I didn't, after he left me the feedback, I just researched and stated facts in my feedbacks which I found.

I don't care what you think about me.

You have 24 hours.

Get your self a dictionary. Find out the meaning of scamming.

And then find out when I have scammed anyone in the past 8 years that I have been on this forum.

If you fail to do so, my tag's coming down on you. Reason : peddling misinformation against me.

Wait now I remember I tagged you already for spreading hate and talking shit about my pets. Well deserved tag.
Sorry I am just waking up and a friend who notified me of this nonsense. I will create a flag. You have 24 hours to prove your allegations.

And get this straight. Go take a look at the feedbacks I have left, they have been always down the middle. And I wasn't even anywhere near the DT system when I left them. And I've said it before, I don't care to be in the DT system.

About James Lent - he was an asshole. I made mistakes, sure, but he was an asshole. Jsraw, is a jerk because he chose to dig up years old issue to serve his own ego. But he did what was right in his mind and he wasn't influenced by anyone telling him to not do that. For that he has my respect. He exercised his right. So it is mine to add people in my distrust list that I don't trust. And I certainly do not trust people that do not trust me. (here trust is literal, not forum trust).

I just checked that it is Vod and Yoshie that are trusting me which has probably put me in the system to begin with. If you want me off the DT system, go talk to them about putting me out of it.  

And whom I include in my trust list and when is clearly documented here : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5162634.0 and guess what? it is entirely my choice, and I have continued to do this for a long LONG time and will continue to do this even if 10000s of scammers and forum filth riddle my trust page with reds. No one, absolutely no one has influence over me.

Edit - I am not a forum police. I do not have that amount of free time. All my negative or positive trust is reserved for people that are spotted by me doing either shit or good stuff.
Do not consider my trust as some sort of character certificate. Or a certification from this forum. Please no! It is just my overview of that person that I am rating.

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I'm no politician. I don't seek power. Point your gun at me and we're gonna have a mexican stand-off. Simple as that.

[savetheFORUM]

I don't care what you think about me.

Neither do I care what you think about me. I stated facts and you still don't realize that your attitude is the main problem here.

You have 24 hours.

For? You coming to kill me as you threatened other users? Good luck boy.

And then find out when I have scammed anyone in the past 8 years that I have been on this forum.

If you fail to do so, my tag's coming down on you. Reason : peddling misinformation against me. [/s]

Did JSRAW scam anyone? NO. Explain your feedback before you question mine. You stolen others work and showed as your own, that's the reason for my feedback.

Wait now I remember I tagged you already for spreading hate and talking shit about my pets. Well deserved tag.
Sorry I am just waking up and a friend who notified me of this nonsense. I will create a flag. You have 24 hours to prove your allegations.

You need to read the thread again, I talked about you not your pets. You said you are having a bi-polar disorder to which I asked, do you abuse pets?

And get this straight. Go take a look at the feedbacks I have left, they have been always down the middle. And I wasn't even anywhere near the DT system when I left them. And I've said it before, I don't care to be in the DT system.

You don't care and actually you don't deserve to be there either. I don't know why people have added you in their trust list if even you understand you ain't capable of handling the power that comes with it.

About James Lent - he was an asshole. I made mistakes, sure, but he was an asshole. Jsraw, is a jerk because he chose to dig up years old issue to serve his own ego. But he did what was right in his mind and he wasn't influenced by anyone telling him to not do that. For that he has my respect. He exercised his right. So it is mine to add people in my distrust list that I don't trust. And I certainly do not trust people that do not trust me. (here trust is literal, not forum trust).

Please tell us with proofs how james.lent was an asshole? Because he hired you and you scammed him, that's why?

I just checked that it is Vod and Yoshie that are trusting me which has probably put me in the system to begin with. If you want me off the DT system, go talk to them about putting me out of it.  

Yoshie and Vod should have their own reason to keep you or remove you, I just stated facts. You can correct me if any fact is wrong. I have added sources as well.

No one, absolutely no one has influence over me.

That's the real problem here, you have an attitude of "an eye for an eye" even when you are the one at fault in the first place.

[legendster]

Tl,DR

Anyone with half a brain can go and read what's what, I will not make your job easy by explaining what happened. You have twisted your own words to try and mean one thing, false and inaccurate as it may be, all the while saying (typing) something else entirely.

Everything is documented in this forum in clear English. Go read it. Eat shit. Your choice. idc I'm out. Peace!

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Legendster scammed user james.lent in 2016 by copying others work and by selling it as his own.

WOW....I haven't seen that username in a long time.  Wonder where james.lent went off to--he used to post here quite frequently, and I'm pretty sure I remember the incident between him and legendster.

I haven't looked at the feedback legendster has left for others, but I will after this post and if it looks like he's left a bunch of retaliatory feedback I'll exclude him from my trust list (not that it'll do much good, as I'm only on DT2 right now).  I know he's a volatile personality, almost like TECSHARE was, so it wouldn't surprise me if he is misusing the trust system--but I'm not saying he is, because I haven't looked for myself.

And get this straight. Go take a look at the feedbacks I have left, they have been always down the middle. And I wasn't even anywhere near the DT system when I left them. And I've said it before, I don't care to be in the DT system.

That's understandable, and you probably left them when the trust system wasn't as well-defined as it is today, i.e., as of right now negs should not be left for trivial reasons and basically should reflect the person's trustworthiness in doing trades and/or general trustworthiness.

But since you are now on DT, you really should take a look at the feedbacks you've left and get rid of any inappropriate ones, because they affect users more now.  You might not care what people think of you, but it's the responsible thing to do.

[savetheFORUM]

Looks like someone has again added YOSHIE'S friend legendster to their trust list as he is again on DT now. @Theymos if you have eyes please see and stop the manipulation of this trust system before it becomes a joke and people don't even take it seriously.

[icopress]

Looks like someone has again added YOSHIE'S friend legendster to their trust list as he is again on DT now. @Theymos if you have eyes please see and stop the manipulation of this trust system before it becomes a joke and people don't even take it seriously.

The question is really relevant when this guy is on the DT list, but I'm wondering something else ... What was the reason legendster marked your main account with a red tag? Since it seems to me unlikely that you brought up this issue for discussion if you were protecting only your alt'uncensored account. In any case, I really see some biased response on the part of legendster, so I also decided to exclude him (until someone else does it or until there is visible progress).

[NotATether]

@Theymos if you have eyes please see and stop the manipulation of this trust system before it becomes a joke and people don't even take it seriously.

The trust system is unmoderated and admins do not interfere with other people's trust lists. It's the users' responsibility to add the appropriate exclusions themselves.

[savetheFORUM]

Looks like someone has again added YOSHIE'S friend legendster to their trust list as he is again on DT now. @Theymos if you have eyes please see and stop the manipulation of this trust system before it becomes a joke and people don't even take it seriously.

The question is really relevant when this guy is on the DT list, but I'm wondering something else ... What was the reason legendster marked your main account with a red tag? Since it seems to me unlikely that you brought up this issue for discussion if you were protecting only your alt'uncensored account. In any case, I really see some biased response on the part of legendster, so I also decided to exclude him (until someone else does it or until there is visible progress).

I think it's obvious the guy has some mental problems because he scammed JSRAW and then on top of it, left him negative feedback.

@Theymos if you have eyes please see and stop the manipulation of this trust system before it becomes a joke and people don't even take it seriously.

The trust system is unmoderated and admins do not interfere with other people's trust lists. It's the users' responsibility to add the appropriate exclusions themselves.

But if you leave holes in the system some users will abuse it. You cannot expect to leave a bag of cash on the road and expect people crossing to understand their responsibility and not touch someone else's money.

[suchmoon]

@Theymos if you have eyes please see and stop the manipulation of this trust system before it becomes a joke and people don't even take it seriously.

The trust system is unmoderated and admins do not interfere with other people's trust lists. It's the users' responsibility to add the appropriate exclusions themselves.

But if you leave holes in the system some users will abuse it. You cannot expect to leave a bag of cash on the road and expect people crossing to understand their responsibility and not touch someone else's money.

How about your responsibility to convince DT1 members to exclude legendster. That's how the system works. Changing it because someone tagged your throwaway account... I think that'll be a hard pass.

[savetheFORUM]

@Theymos if you have eyes please see and stop the manipulation of this trust system before it becomes a joke and people don't even take it seriously.

The trust system is unmoderated and admins do not interfere with other people's trust lists. It's the users' responsibility to add the appropriate exclusions themselves.

But if you leave holes in the system some users will abuse it. You cannot expect to leave a bag of cash on the road and expect people crossing to understand their responsibility and not touch someone else's money.

How about your responsibility to convince DT1 members to exclude legendster. That's how the system works. Changing it because someone tagged your throwaway account... I think that'll be a hard pass.

A DT1 member is also a human and let's face it that everyone on the forum is here to make money. It's hard to convince someone when faced with monetary benefits. I will be creating a new thread very soon with a similar case, see you soon there

As for the changes in the trust system, I am not asking it because of my own case but this serves as a good example why it needs changes.

Oh, and yes, this account was created while still having another account but by no means is a throwaway account. Please be careful of what you say. Unlike signature spammers, I have never made useless comments.

[suchmoon]

A DT1 member is also a human and let's face it that everyone on the forum is here to make money. It's hard to convince someone when faced with monetary benefits. I will be creating a new thread very soon with a similar case, see you soon there

Let's face it, you're full of shit. How is legendster's presence in DT making "everyone" money?

As for the changes in the trust system, I am not asking it because of my own case but this serves as a good example why it needs changes.

No, it's not a good example of why the system needs changes. It's a good example of you being unable to make well-reasoned argument and resorting to fallacies when you don't get what you want, as is usual in most of your "cases".

Oh, and yes, this account was created while still having another account but by no means is a throwaway account. Please be careful of what you say. Unlike signature spammers, I have never made useless comments.

Didn't you accuse a reputable member recently with some made up bullshit... might have been some other useless sockpuppet though, you're all the same to me.

[savetheFORUM]

Let's face it, you're full of shit. How is legendster's presence in DT making "everyone" money?

Expected better from you. Not every time the trust system is abused, it's done for money but ultimately that's the goal. If people are manipulating the trust system for anything other than making money, it's really strange.

People copying others' work and selling as their own have the balls to even leave negative feedback on the buyer yet here you are defending him, says about it.

Please bring anger with your rants because I am starting to laugh at these.

No, it's not a good example of why the system needs changes. It's a good example of you being unable to make well-reasoned argument and resorting to fallacies when you don't get what you want, as is usual in most of your "cases".

I DON'T get anything by fighting for JSRAW, Mike Mayor or recently a guy probably scammed by stake casino. Ask anyone on the forum if I even asked for a cent for all the threads I make. In fact, what you post is paid by a company to make these comments.

Getting paid by someone and making comments is easy while being active on the forum for non-monetary reasons is hard. Ask yourself before you come up with another rant.

Didn't you accuse a reputable member recently with some made up bullshit... might have been some other useless sockpuppet though, you're all the same to me.

If you're referring to CB, I even had the balls to apologize publicly unlike you who tries to make an opinion about someone and stick with it.

You must be fun at parties, yeah?

The latter part of your statement only shows your superiority complex. Trust me, sitting on the forum for hours and bashing others behind a computer screen doesn't make you look like a ninja. The real gems like LoyceV will never spend time fighting for no reason like you or make others feel low by saying "you're all the same for me".

I am locking this thread, if you have anything to discuss not related to topic, please PM me. If you have anything to discuss on topic just send me a message and I will unlock it.