Fake bets

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But I have also to admit that they are not really hurting anybody.

I very highly disagree.

- They hurt the naive people who see those ads, who are left with the false impression that gambling can be an easy way to make money. Especially minors can easily fall under this illusion when all of their favorite streamers and Youtubers keep showcasing their 'big wins' -- Without disclaiming the fact that it's completely fake.
- They hurt legit sites that don't want to participate in faking their bet amounts. Roobet, as an example, is pretending to be bigger than they truly are. A lot of people will follow the critical mass, and they will play in the casino which has the most activity. This is a loss for those casinos with better moral standards.
- They hurt legit gambling streamers and Youtubers who don't want to make fake bets with fake reactions. It's difficult for honest people to stand out with their bets of $50, while those fake streamers are pretending to gamble with tens of thousands.

I'm genuinely disgusted by the way Roobet runs their business. Their company is successful and highly profitable, and they could remain profitable even without doing all of this shady stuff. They made this explicit decision to choose the route of greediness, even though they had other options.

What makes the matter worse is that they're targeting lots of influencers who are primarily making content for children. As an example, they're sponsoring Jake Paul and Ricegum, which is absolutely disgusting, in my opinion. I could never imagine a respectable site like Stake.com to do anything like this.

Doing shady, dishonest stuff is a slippery slope; If Roobet is willing to create fake ads and massively inflate their bet counts on the website, this makes me wonder; What other immoral things would they be willing to do? Where would they draw the line? Based on what I've seen, it wouldn't surprise me even the slightest if Roobet would start directly scamming their customers. Based on my observations, their moral standards are non-existent.

Much respect to your standard. However, naive people will always be hurt in this kind of world we are living in. Much of what we see around are fake nowadays. How I wish everything will be so genuine that no innocent individual would ever suffer from fake ads, news, promotion, education, promises, opportunities, etc.

Don't be misled by fake gamblers posing as real ones. I don't like Roobet's approach but I don't think it is illegal and so it is your responsibility to protect yourself against misleading promotion just as you need to protect yourself from misleading ads of fake milk, fake cheese, fake meat, fake flavor, fake ingredients, etc.

I'm just disappointed.

I've been under the impression that this community is very efficient at imposing self-regulation by not supporting shady operators. It's disappointing to see how warmly the Bitcointalk community treats Roobet, despite them very clearly trying to take advantage of you by immoral means.

I'm glad that the community has at least some standards these days -- For example, they're very quick to call out and shoo away gambling sites that are not provably fair. However, in my opinion, the bar is still really low.

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[iamsheikhadil]

In my view, it simply doesn't matter if you see gambling as nothing else but entertainment, if I see a player putting $50000 bet, it would be fun to watch the outcomes even though it's hyped. It would be pretty unwise to actually get influenced by such high rollers and then selling ones entire life to have such bankroll and then try to gamble like that, it simply shouldn't work like that! Casinos and gambling should be nothing but entertainment even though I get what you are saying. I do think it's a bit unethical even if it's legal and not cheating. Because it kinda creates a fake show which can influence people to gamble their life savings.

[kryptqnick]

Thanks for creating this topic, I didn't know there was such a thing, honestly. I am okay with casinos sponsoring streamers if they disclose it, that seems like a normal practice that is common not just for gambling, but for YouTube videos in general. But sponsoring to me means just giving some money so that a person makes a review or give the initial bankroll, so that the person can stream playing with this money. I've watched the video, and the guy looks like he legit won a ton of money during the stream. If you're saying that his win was actually orchestrated (although for now I don't understand the proof you're suggesting), then it's a very misleading kind of way to advertise a casino.

[mezzaluna]

I'm curious to hear what the Bitcointalk community thinks about this topic;

Casinos using fake bets to attract new players.

I was surprised to learn that the vast majority of videos and streams on Roobet.com are actually fake.
Here are a couple of examples of different deal formats that casinos are making with the influencers:

A) Bet amount inflation; The streamer only wants to gamble with $100. The site gives them "$10000" in funds, but only 1% of this is withdrawable. The viewers will think that the streamer is gambling with $10000, while in reality, they're only risking $100.

B) Infinite refills; The casino makes an agreement with the streamer. Let's say they want to pay the streamer $50,000 for a sponsorship contract. They start giving the streamer endless $1000 refills, which the streamer is supposed to gamble with. They will repeat this process until they "win" $50,000. The streamer will pretend to be shocked and highlight this big win in all of their social media channels. However, the truth is that there were zero risks involved for the streamer, and the final outcome was already known -- It was just a matter of time.

I brought this topic up in Roobet's Bitcointalk thread, and I was quite surprised to see a lot of people defending them, saying that this is totally justified. They mentioned points such as:
- "This has been going on for years. It's normal in the casino community."
- "The streamers are honest about it. They have a disclaimer somewhere stating that it's fake." (Their explanations usually are very indirect and abstract.)

In my personal opinion, this sort of marketing is highly deceiving and dishonest. Roobet (and other casinos) are inflating their systems with fake bets, pretending to be more popular than they really are. This is a loss for both, legit sites that don't want to inflate their numbers, and legit streamers who don't want to participate in the circus of fake bets and fake reactions.

What do you think?

I believe we can call this the ignorance of knowing something that is legitimate but scared to face the truth. This situations can happen because they want to cater new customers/users and it might have been effective in the past and might continue to use it in the future. Even though it is deceiving, its really not the users fault to fall in this kinds of traps because some of them are still winning even though the website is giving that kind of money. Using this kind of tactic is another marketing strategy for them and in some way when we talk about it, there is a chance that some people will still further pursue the use of their website OR stop interacting with the website at all. Its still better to stop this kind of tactic and be just straight up honest because this might be something that can be used for their downfall.

[ecnalubma]

Maybe because due to competition thats why some casinos might be doing this strategy to attract new users and gain more confidence. This type of marketing in unacceptable and I hope only few are doing this type of trick, but as long as there is no hard evidence they are innocent and clean. In the end what is most important is they pay winnings big or small.

[johhnyUA]

Casinos using fake bets to attract new players.

This is too ordinary situation here. Casinos using it mostly with payed bloggers to show that they winning and due to that - attracting newcomers who trust to their bloggers. In post Soviet countries there was a boom of such "bloggers" in 2019-2020, but now people know that mosts bets and games are fake and don't believe to such shit. The only exception is trusted sites, like pokerstars.

[panganib999]

Maybe because due to competition thats why some casinos might be doing this strategy to attract new users and gain more confidence. This type of marketing in unacceptable and I hope only few are doing this type of trick, but as long as there is no hard evidence they are innocent and clean. In the end what is most important is they pay winnings big or small.

And also I think this was a normal action of a casino in order for them to have extra incomes or let's just say earninga on their own. Having these fake bets is definitely a unacceptable reason because the thing that we talked about here is money. Most of the people isn't just starting to earn some while others are having some a large amount of profit. Online gambling is one of the main idea on how people and gamblers won and earning today. These fake bets are definitely giving them some confidence and some of them think that the luck is there and will continue. I hope this kind of act will be removed and change because even if it is small amount, still it is a money that we earns.

[Maslate]

I believe this strategy is not new, this is just part of the marketing strategy, maybe some will say it's a bad strategy but some may understand. However, the most important is knowing the site is legit and has the license to operate as that means regulators can investigate and they need to comply with certain rules and regulations.

Anyway, thanks for bringing this reality OP, some may not know it's happening.

[CryptocurencyKing]

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I for one like the way you presented your argument. Your points a quite logical and straight to the point. That's really good of you. As for the topic of the thread, is it really a problem or an issue? Let's look at it  really?

It's a simple market strategy meant to stir in a gambler the will and desire to gamble and big wins. It isn't such a bad strategy, everyone in the field of business does this every now and then. Like in the insecticide industry, detergent industry and others. I cause of running adverts, they project a too good to be true for there reagents and in the actual, it isn't anything of that sort or as active as projected.
Its all the same  thing,  just in different perspectives. What is important is,
That a gambler isn't tricked or scammed and the gambler gets his or her money's worth and as at when due.

[Twentyonepaylots]

"It's a simple spell, but quite unbreakable"-Doctor Strange
This trick has been executed by countless running and/or closed down casinos in the past, and it's not like this is a first for the online casino industry. Although I do get your point where it kind of is unfair to the players as it exploits their brain's natural biases and heuristics, then again all products do that, McDonald's does that, and we don't tell them to stop what they are doing.

[stadus]

This is happening even in a land based casino, so it's not surprising that its happening in online casinos. It's a classic strategy for most gambling business as that's the best way to attract gamblers to play in their establishment (online or land based). It could be cheating but as long as no one complains with evidence, that would not make them guilty of facing any legal charges or whatsoever.

I guess it's important that every gambler has to be aware of this marketing strategy as its a basic thing to know.

[acener]

I think almost all of the gambling site does it at their early stage to attract gamblers.
It wouldn't matter if it wouldn't affect their real gamblers bet if it wouldn't be rigged.
I think some of the old gambling site also have those fake bets or bots that keep on playing along with real gamblers to make it look that there are plenty of players.

[Fredomago]

I believe this strategy is not new, this is just part of the marketing strategy, maybe some will say it's a bad strategy but some may understand. However, the most important is knowing the site is legit and has the license to operate as that means regulators can investigate and they need to comply with certain rules and regulations.

Anyway, thanks for bringing this reality OP, some may not know it's happening.

Marketing strategy to attract more gamblers to try it out and see how luck permits them, but it's always gamblers responsibilities with all the actions. I get OP's intention and it quite good to bring this attention to those new to this kind of advertisement. There's always the other side of the box in each streaming/vlogging business, they will receive payments, they just needed to make sure that they'll be bringing traffic and possible gamblers to use the site services.

This is happening even in a land based casino, so it's not surprising that its happening in online casinos. It's a classic strategy for most gambling business as that's the best way to attract gamblers to play in their establishment (online or land based). It could be cheating but as long as no one complains with evidence, that would not make them guilty of facing any legal charges or whatsoever.

I guess it's important that every gambler has to be aware of this marketing strategy as its a basic thing to know.

Like what I've said from the post I quoted above, it's the gamblers responsibilities to know all those basic thing that happened around.

Never to take any action just because of those  influencers, it's your money and you should take the full responsibilities behind.

[Silberman]

The question is, can we proved they are faking their bets?

Absolutely.

It seems to be common knowledge by now, hence why I didn't bother to list the evidence in the starting post. But, here are a couple of things to show:
1)
Roobet video uploaded 2 days ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nyt-cgfKEbQ
Read the description: "All Balances you see on these videos is sponsored as part of my deal with the website."

2)
https://roobet.com/50k-pot-o-gold
Read the terms: "Sponsored funds will not reward tickets for the promotion."

If some people are still doubtful about this, I can spend some extra time to show more material. But, it should be quite obvious by now -- Pretty much all of their advertisers have somewhat admitted to gambling with monopoly money.

I understand your source of frustration, however since they are being open about it you cannot really say that they are being deceptive since everything is out there for people to understand that it is not real, however I agree that such promotion while it may help on the short term is not going to help them over the long term as people realize of its existence and they prefer to play in other casinos which don't engage in those practices.

[electronicash]

The question is, can we proved they are faking their bets?

Absolutely.

It seems to be common knowledge by now, hence why I didn't bother to list the evidence in the starting post. But, here are a couple of things to show:
1)
Roobet video uploaded 2 days ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nyt-cgfKEbQ
Read the description: "All Balances you see on these videos is sponsored as part of my deal with the website."

2)
https://roobet.com/50k-pot-o-gold
Read the terms: "Sponsored funds will not reward tickets for the promotion."

If some people are still doubtful about this, I can spend some extra time to show more material. But, it should be quite obvious by now -- Pretty much all of their advertisers have somewhat admitted to gambling with monopoly money.

I understand your source of frustration, however since they are being open about it you cannot really say that they are being deceptive since everything is out there for people to understand that it is not real, however I agree that such promotion while it may help on the short term is not going to help them over the long term as people realize of its existence and they prefer to play in other casinos which don't engage in those practices.

morality wise, it's, of course, a bit shady but since they are pretty much making it obvious the deception can still be seen as transparent here if we could just call it marketing technique. they spend money on promotion. it's not surprising that companies do this because the competition is really harsh in the industry. marketing can be in any form and just any casino will do it just to make their platform popular.

[Fundamentals Of]

But I have also to admit that they are not really hurting anybody.

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Much respect to your standard. However, naive people will always be hurt in this kind of world we are living in. Much of what we see around are fake nowadays. How I wish everything will be so genuine that no innocent individual would ever suffer from fake ads, news, promotion, education, promises, opportunities, etc.

Don't be misled by fake gamblers posing as real ones. I don't like Roobet's approach but I don't think it is illegal and so it is your responsibility to protect yourself against misleading promotion just as you need to protect yourself from misleading ads of fake milk, fake cheese, fake meat, fake flavor, fake ingredients, etc.

I'm just disappointed.

I've been under the impression that this community is very efficient at imposing self-regulation by not supporting shady operators. It's disappointing to see how warmly the Bitcointalk community treats Roobet, despite them very clearly trying to take advantage of you by immoral means.

I'm glad that the community has at least some standards these days -- For example, they're very quick to call out and shoo away gambling sites that are not provably fair. However, in my opinion, the bar is still really low.

I am 100% supporting you in calling out Roobet for this sneaky strategy. It would have been perfect if all gambling sites play a fair game, reach organic growth and success, etc. But it's probably something we can only wish considering that it is not illegal to do so and even quite an acceptable strategy.

It is actually no different from gambling sites requiring its signature participants or even applicants to create an account on their sites. That's additional members who are not really interested to be users in the platform in the first place but have got no choice. There are also bonuses given away to those who actually place bets. There are just so many ways in order to get members. Some may not fit well to other's taste.

[Ararbermas]

It's very common nowadays mate. And infact not just on a new gambling site its possible to happen. wherein in different sites as well such that promising a bonuses for each member who will contribute on their projects and etc..  It's just a props actually.. Because i have tried such sites but they are literally fakes all the stuff especially betting history and withdrawal etc.. In the first you will see it like a legit, but unfortunately after all your efforts in its all a bluff..

[maxreish]

I have been watching gambling streams but I never had an idea about some fake bets like this. If this is true, it is up to the agreement between the streamer and  roobet. Since roobet will gonna lend some dollars for the streamer to play with but 100 usd is her/his talent fee then I don't see anything wrong with it. It's just that I am kinda surprise that there are some tricks like these.

However, this kind of advertisement will attract more players to deposit to their webaite if they see they are able to win huge like that of stremear. The only question that I am confused with is that, what if the streamer won huge using that lent bank roll? Will they give him additional payment?

[btc78]

Well your very first post from this account is this

Hi Roobet,
I'm curious; what's your logic behind sponsoring m0E_tv? I'm sure you're well aware of his shady activities in the past, and in the present.
If you want Roobet to be known as a reputable brand, I don't think you should be partnered with people like this.

Seems like you are really into giving what is inside the Roobet casino , is this really tend to help exposing the truth or you are behind something ? Just a  question nothing personal.


And regards to the faking issue , I think it does not talk about who is funding the streamer or what , the thing is The capacity of Players to Win in the game , Meaning the probability of fairness because this is what Online gamblers want to see in terms of staying in that specific site.

Roobet has gaining Huge players nowadays and for me? if they are really questionable ? Players will decide about that but it seems that they are contented in the Gambling site meaning they find no foul  on how roobet is operating their Online casino .

Just my 2 cents here.

[shoreno]

I think almost all of the gambling site does it at their early stage to attract gamblers.
It wouldn't matter if it wouldn't affect their real gamblers bet if it wouldn't be rigged.
I think some of the old gambling site also have those fake bets or bots that keep on playing along with real gamblers to make it look that there are plenty of players.

old casinos already has lots of players so no need to put bots . putting bots does do more harm than just make their site lively because if there are competitions like roll hunting , waggering race , etc .

 they can fuel thier bots with unlimited balances so that they can secure their own sites prizes . its ruining the experience of legit gamblers , this is why i sometimes dont bother to participate in gambling competition because i know that its hard to win