Fake bets

[molsewid]

The unfortunate fact here is people are still falling for those marketing strategy. Because of gambling industry is typically living out of new customers, they will never stop such marketing strategy to keep attracting new users. (Also we must need to remember those old customers will definitely come back to recover their losses and as per all gambler's experience no one got chances to recover their losses).

Meaning to say that the marketing strategy of online casino business or any gambling businesses are effective because they attract new customers because if it is not effective they would probably think another kind of trick or marketing strategy that will work out on their favor right. We just need to deal with the fact that behind the lies of their advertisement was the personal interest of the businesses and that is how tactics work.

[Mauser]

This sadly happens so common. I observed some Turkish streamers sponsored by steam key/csgo whatever websites, playing betting and winning to pull people in. Those were obviously set up wins for streamer. I think its nearly impossible to deal with it. People will always find way to rig.

I find it quite alarming that this is still happening today. YouTube and twitch should be more active against such exploiting streamers. If they would make the people personal liable to repay all their steaming profits if they promote fake bets without highlighting them as such then these people would be more afraid. There is just too much money being made.

[madnessteat]

I find it quite alarming that this is still happening today. YouTube and twitch should be more active against such exploiting streamers. If they would make the people personal liable to repay all their steaming profits if they promote fake bets without highlighting them as such then these people would be more afraid. There is just too much money being made.

I believe that YouTube and Twitch will not track such activity, as it is very difficult to prove the involvement of the streamer in a conspiracy with the casino. In my opinion, the only real vector that will reduce the fake bets may be a gradual decrease in the number of subscribers and views of the streamer engaged in this kind of advertising.

[rodskee]

Edit:
This seems to be a pretty controversial subject, so I decided to write this blog post to expand on my thoughts on this:
https://twitter.com/CSGOEmpireV2/status/1375068884584267778

I'm curious to hear what the Bitcointalk community thinks about this topic;

This is how the Popularity of gambling site goes, When hitting the top Bashers will always come and make their comments.

but for me this is added to the advertising of the Said Site because Publicity comes from Good or bad is still Publicity..


Many gambling site do the same , Its just happen that Roobet is the most popular nowadays so expect many of this to come.

[Pamadar]

This sadly happens so common. I observed some Turkish streamers sponsored by steam key/csgo whatever websites, playing betting and winning to pull people in. Those were obviously set up wins for streamer. I think its nearly impossible to deal with it. People will always find way to rig.

I find it quite alarming that this is still happening today. YouTube and twitch should be more active against such exploiting streamers. If they would make the people personal liable to repay all their steaming profits if they promote fake bets without highlighting them as such then these people would be more afraid. There is just too much money being made.

Annoying reality, there are people that fall following those streamers.

We can deny the fact that there are followers who blindly work it out and find this streamers believable and be trapped with those
fake bets, first and foremost, the people or viewers itself who needs to take extra careful and be furios about this shared streams.
It helps to avoid making a huge mistakes.

[AdolfinWolf]

Why is this the only place I can find any discussion about this topic? Absolutely ridiculous. I found your thread through google after much digging through all these streamer crypto sponsorships. I must say it was hidden pretty well.

I'm guessing they bring too much money to the people on the forum for anyone to be honest about what kind of a shady practice this really is. If I had more affiliation with the section I'd definitely consider tagging them, but who am I, really? Perhaps i'm also out of touch with the standard business practices in this space, but from a (relative) outsider looking in, this just seems so weird.

I don't think this is too much controversial because I saw different streamers getting support from their sponsors like the gambling platforms what are the reason? Because it's part of their marketing strategies that gives the viewers another hype experience like the player losses a lot but made a comeback so this becomes a good image too.  It's not a fake bet because at the same time they have a contract and this is part of their advertisement. It's a different part of the player who uses his or her own money because at the same time still, a gamble is a gamble.

- the influencer has no actual (or very little) skin in the game. They are not betting with their own money no matter how you try to spin it.

It's just one of the market strategies of online gambling due to high competition arises. A sad but it's true that we used to rely on the reviews of those who experienced playing or gambling on the certain sites and we didn't also recognize which of those comments are true and which one are the fake paid reviews. And we can't blame the fake paid reviewers because they are also need that cash/payment that they can get with using their name and dignity to testify a false information.

- most of these influencers are millionaires, they definitely do not have any financial urgency to promote any of these (sometimes) morally dubious products to their audiences. The rest of your statement is gibberish and not understandable at all.

On one hand this could definitely pass as a scam, on the other it could be just one marketing tactic that works well. I do not know exactly how many gambling sites and casinos do this trick, but this is fairly common in auctions and events like that. Now it is up to the player whether they awill let their basic instincts overtake their critical judgement and let themselves get finessed by these sites, but personally, I do not indulge myself in leaderboard contests as I am not a high-roller myself.

If a streamer does not use special software to distort the results of the game and the game itself in the casino that he demonstrates, then I do not see any analogy with paid comments, which are deliberately deceiving. The fact that the casino gives him money for the game and he does not risk anything does not matter.

Ah, but it does matter if the streamer continously gets his account topped up by the site administrator until he wins big - that's just deceiving practices.

People do really have that kind of hate when an advertiser do make use of money owned by the house itself or simply they know that it isnt theirs for them to spent on.I dont know
why people had bad impressions when it comes to that where the thing matter most is about the user experience and the possible chances that you can possibly hit when you
do play on a certain platform.People cant just really moved on if those funds are their own or been sponsored.What matter most is the fairness of the site and
the user interface and experience towards it and they should really be focusing on this one rather than on personal opinions.

And being fair and honest with their customers isn't part of the user experience? nor does it contribute to the overall perception of the fairness of the casino? (it does..)

Yes, even if the game is completely virtual (for fake money from the casino), then the audience in any case can evaluate the casino interface and other parameters important for them (we will assume that the house edge is approximately the same everywhere and is known in advance). I do not know what one can be angry with in such a situation and where there can be deception.

You are already being deceived and thus you conclude that there could be no other possible way in which they are also deceiving you? How about they rig the odds of streamers as well? Wouldn't that matter either?

Most of the comments in this thread are a special kind of mental gymnastics. I get it, they're just getting their "bag" too (I can't say I haven't done the same), still - for me personally i feel like you'd have to be absolutely mentally challenged to play on any of these (un)licensed casinos at this point.

[Xinarae*]

These can be avoided if people are aware of fake bets and monitor the sites closely. Here are some of the arguments mathematically in favor of the player in some games that he has a chance to win basically this is what keeps a player in his game longer because he assumes that his chances of winning are not over yet more information can be found by watching this video on youtube to play casino. Therefore if the swings are active on youtube it is possible to deal with them.

[jostorres]

These can be avoided if people are aware of fake bets and monitor the sites closely. Here are some of the arguments mathematically in favor of the player in some games that he has a chance to win basically this is what keeps a player in his game longer because he assumes that his chances of winning are not over yet more information can be found by watching this video on youtube to play casino. Therefore if the swings are active on youtube it is possible to deal with them.

No matter how closely you monitor, the streamer might be paid behind the scenes and you cannot know the reality unless there is a disclaimer or warning of some sort. I think the streamer is basically a scammer if they show it's their real funds while they are actually sponsored by the casino.

Fake bets and huge wins are often used to tempt the gambler into gambling as there are various interested and semi-interested viewers are watching these streams and they feel like just like the streamer they can also hit those big wins, without realizing that first, the money was fake and secondly they burned huge amounts before they got such wins.

I am not against casinos paying streamers but the streamer must ensure he mentions the paid sponsorship somewhere during the stream.

[Vaskiy]

Promotion shouldn't be done for such sites. In my country an incident took place recently with a live gaming streamer. My country has banned PUBG, and he has been playing it and streaming on his YouTube channel through VPN. For his bad luck he has used bad statements on conversation and the same is being complained. He got arrested and on investigation he has got an Audi R8 and few bungalows, which has been bought through the streaming and collecting donations in the name of supporting people in need. But, he hasn't helped big to the needy.

[hahay]

Promotion shouldn't be done for such sites. In my country an incident took place recently with a live gaming streamer. My country has banned PUBG, and he has been playing it and streaming on his YouTube channel through VPN. For his bad luck he has used bad statements on conversation and the same is being complained. He got arrested and on investigation he has got an Audi R8 and few bungalows, which has been bought through the streaming and collecting donations in the name of supporting people in need. But, he hasn't helped big to the needy.

I also heard about the plan to ban online games like that in my country because it has a bad impact on children's development and not only that, those who play these games disturb local residents who are resting and sleeping at night. But when it comes to game streamers asking for donations obviously it's a scam if the revenue isn't actually distributed or donated, because if he actually donates the revenue they get they or the streamer will usually create content about the donations themselves which means they're doing it right. It's a shame indeed, when many viewers have put their trust in him but they actually betray which of course, it will be bad for the long term for their own careers.

[STT]

The luck to win and the winnings when you collect are too different things. I'd classify this more with the audience being impressed by big numbers, this is almost the nature of the gamble industry.  People are impressed by lottery winnings even if the odds to win are a billion to one.  So long as all the data is true and the game is equally played for everyone to take part in its really a case of caveat emptor and you must know what odds you buying into during the game.

My country has banned PUBG

Really not in favor of that line of thinking, censorship and the banning the concept of anything is the reserve of religious doctrine countries,  thats their right but across the wider world the majority of business is done on your own risk as an adult.   Streamers or whoever getting paid to play through games is just normal to me, yes its promotion and that is part of every industry sales tactic I can think of.

[YOSHIE]

I was surprised to learn that the vast majority of videos and streams on Roobet.com are actually fake.
Here are a couple of examples of different deal formats that casinos are making with the influencers:

To be honest I am impartial to Roobet and also to @Monarch- I stand in the middle on this, if I personally gamble on the Roobet site for now there have been no serious problems, all is well and smooth.


In this case I judge @Monarch- also promotes gambling sites.

Monarch-



For that Roobet is a gambling site and csgoempire is also a gambling site, if you look at the conversation @Monarch- said based on Twitter about the fake bets made by Roobet, it doesn't matter maybe I can see it too.

But let's look again at the conversation of the csgoempire team, with users who complained about betting on the csgoempire site.

Example:



If seen here: https://www.trustpilot.com/review/csgoempire.com, there are still many negative and positive reviews on the csgoempire site, this is also the same as what has been experienced by the Roobet site lately, of course behind all of this there is a certain motive.

Conclusion: @Monarch- runs a gambling site and Roobet also does the same thing, I don't know where the problem started from, what is clear is my assessment in this thread 'drops' each other.

For that I recommend @Monarch-, it's not good to blame each other, business will be successful if we support each other, don't blame each other for weaknesses and shortcomings of other sites, whose authenticity is unknown.

[tippytoes]

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Conclusion: @Monarch- runs a gambling site and Roobet also does the same thing, I don't know where the problem started from, what is clear is my assessment in this thread 'drops' each other.

For that I recommend @Monarch-, it's not good to blame each other, business will be successful if we support each other, don't blame each other for weaknesses and shortcomings of other sites, whose authenticity is unknown.

Very well said. Using fake bets is not a new strategy of any starting casino. The important is how they do business after that. Are they screwing players? If not, then, for me, there's no problem with using fake bets because that's part of their strategy to entice players. As long as they are not scamming the players during their stay on the site. And that fake bets will be gone once they establish their market.

[peter0425]

Edit:
This seems to be a pretty controversial subject, so I decided to write this blog post to expand on my thoughts on this:
https://twitter.com/CSGOEmpireV2/status/1375068884584267778

I'm curious to hear what the Bitcointalk community thinks about this topic;

Casinos using fake bets to attract new players.

I was surprised to learn that the vast majority of videos and streams on Roobet.com are actually fake.
Here are a couple of examples of different deal formats that casinos are making with the influencers:

I'm curious why of all the gambling sites here in forum and outside you choose roobet for this attack?
when i knew that you Know about almost every gambling site has this strategy to make their site looks controversial and worth betting?

[lixer]

It is highly deceiving and you will not trust a gambling site that does this, but they have to find ways to gain more players and retain players and they cannot do that if players do not see good stats and activities in the gambling sites, they offer bonuses, free bets, and faucets just to entice players to play and stays, new gambling sites are the ones who are mostly doing this to establish themselves.

That is the reason you would notice that most of the gamblers won't follow just any streamer but they pick the trusted ones and watch only limited streams. Yes, it is easy for new twitch streamers to allure new players by offering bonuses and all welcome packages but true gamblers who bet big won't ever play at a casino or sportsbook just because they are offering some small bonuses.

I will not accuse roobet or any casino unless there is concrete proof of the same. But no one can deny that more casinos are indulged in such things than we might ever think. I hardly watch any streamers and watching all these scams happen, I would never trust a new streamer now even if he might be legit winning from his own funds or losing it.

[fiulpro]

I did not know about such fake actions done by streamers. Which does mean that in the future not only their accounts can be on stake since it's not usually allowed to do such things on social media platforms but it's also not justified.

I do not know why Roobet decided to do that. It's a really good casino and therefore I actually enjoy playing there and they have also done a lot for the people of the art community here on the forum.

If you are good people will come to you without such things.

- These kinds of things only breaks the trust of people and makes them scared since we do not know which casino decides to call it quits suddenly during the pandemic.

I completely support this article and I would like to add that such things needs to be limited! And eliminated!

[Quidat]

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I'm curious why of all the gambling sites here in forum and outside you choose roobet for this attack?
when i knew that you Know about almost every gambling site has this strategy to make their site looks controversial and worth betting?

Either intentional or not but its true on what you have been saying on here that this had been a typical thing on where most gambling sites do. Using up as a way of hooking up new players and
end up on having this kind of typical option or way or promotion using up those influencers and majority of viewers does know that those are sponsored money that been used of.
Also as a viewer you do have that full awareness and will on what things you should gonna do and no one been forcing you to play on a particular site so if you do find out that
it is shady or doesnt fit out on your interest then just simply leave.

[KTChampions]

I did not know about such fake actions done by streamers. Which does mean that in the future not only their accounts can be on stake since it's not usually allowed to do such things on social media platforms but it's also not justified.

I do not know why Roobet decided to do that. It's a really good casino and therefore I actually enjoy playing there and they have also done a lot for the people of the art community here on the forum.

If you are good people will come to you without such things.

- These kinds of things only breaks the trust of people and makes them scared since we do not know which casino decides to call it quits suddenly during the pandemic.

I completely support this article and I would like to add that such things needs to be limited! And eliminated!

What specific things should be limited/eliminated? Why can't a casino give out some amount of money for promotional purposes to anyone to show the mechanics of the game or the opportunity to win? As I understood in none of the described cases, the game mechanics did not change, so the essence of the claims is unclear - the game itself was fair.

[AmoreJaz]

It is highly deceiving and you will not trust a gambling site that does this, but they have to find ways to gain more players and retain players and they cannot do that if players do not see good stats and activities in the gambling sites, they offer bonuses, free bets, and faucets just to entice players to play and stays, new gambling sites are the ones who are mostly doing this to establish themselves.

That is the reason you would notice that most of the gamblers won't follow just any streamer but they pick the trusted ones and watch only limited streams. Yes, it is easy for new twitch streamers to allure new players by offering bonuses and all welcome packages but true gamblers who bet big won't ever play at a casino or sportsbook just because they are offering some small bonuses.

I will not accuse roobet or any casino unless there is concrete proof of the same. But no one can deny that more casinos are indulged in such things than we might ever think. I hardly watch any streamers and watching all these scams happen, I would never trust a new streamer now even if he might be legit winning from his own funds or losing it.

every casino has their own strategy to attract potential players. the casino in question has already built its reputation in this forum. and no one is complaining about their services. now, when it comes to this fake bet, i guess, it is up to you if you believe it or not, or just treat it as over exaggerated promotion of the casino.
either way, if youre not happy with their services, no one is obliging you to stay with them. you have all the freedom to choose your casino. anyway, it is up to the player if he will indeed believe a seemingly false promotion, which is happening in other platforms.

[Fatunad]

It is highly deceiving and you will not trust a gambling site that does this, but they have to find ways to gain more players and retain players and they cannot do that if players do not see good stats and activities in the gambling sites, they offer bonuses, free bets, and faucets just to entice players to play and stays, new gambling sites are the ones who are mostly doing this to establish themselves.

That is the reason you would notice that most of the gamblers won't follow just any streamer but they pick the trusted ones and watch only limited streams. Yes, it is easy for new twitch streamers to allure new players by offering bonuses and all welcome packages but true gamblers who bet big won't ever play at a casino or sportsbook just because they are offering some small bonuses.

I will not accuse roobet or any casino unless there is concrete proof of the same. But no one can deny that more casinos are indulged in such things than we might ever think. I hardly watch any streamers and watching all these scams happen, I would never trust a new streamer now even if he might be legit winning from his own funds or losing it.

every casino has their own strategy to attract potential players. the casino in question has already built its reputation in this forum. and no one is complaining about their services. now, when it comes to this fake bet, i guess, it is up to you if you believe it or not, or just treat it as over exaggerated promotion of the casino.
either way, if youre not happy with their services, no one is obliging you to stay with them. you have all the freedom to choose your casino. anyway, it is up to the player if he will indeed believe a seemingly false promotion, which is happening in other platforms.

Dont know if these guys are just trying to seek up for some attention and trying to force that those are fake bets which its clear that those are sponsored money and there are no rules had been
violated as long as the games are fair and square then no one would really be questioning out and in terms of legitimacy then we know on how big roobet.com nowadays.
It is one of the known online crypto casino at the moment and in regards with streamers or marketing stuff then its just been part of the the process or consideration.
They would do all sorts of things to make themselves to be interesting.