Fake bets

[madnessteat]

If I see any of the Influencers or Streamers doing commercials that I think are a scam or an attempt to drag their viewers into a bad story, I just stop being a consumer of their content no matter how good it is. If everyone did that, they would just stop doing questionable advertising due to the decrease in viewers as this is the main factor affecting their income.

[michellee]

If I see any of the Influencers or Streamers doing commercials that I think are a scam or an attempt to drag their viewers into a bad story, I just stop being a consumer of their content no matter how good it is. If everyone did that, they would just stop doing questionable advertising due to the decrease in viewers as this is the main factor affecting their income.

That can work if their audience has much gambling experience and knows that the streamers or influencers are doing the wrong thing with their videos. But when it is uploaded into social media, many people will watch the video, including the new people who want to learn more about gambling. It can not stop it unless we report him to Youtube or other social media so he will not upload his video or even worse, his account will get ban from them.

[KTChampions]

If I see any of the Influencers or Streamers doing commercials that I think are a scam or an attempt to drag their viewers into a bad story, I just stop being a consumer of their content no matter how good it is. If everyone did that, they would just stop doing questionable advertising due to the decrease in viewers as this is the main factor affecting their income.

Nice move, I'm doing pretty much the same. By the way, I noticed that many people do this, so influencers and streamers try not to abuse their popularity (at least if we are talking about adequate, not trash streamers). The most popular streamers generally try to stay away from these topics because an angry audience can create a lot of problems from massive complaints to bullying in real life.

[xSkylarx]

If I see any of the Influencers or Streamers doing commercials that I think are a scam or an attempt to drag their viewers into a bad story, I just stop being a consumer of their content no matter how good it is. If everyone did that, they would just stop doing questionable advertising due to the decrease in viewers as this is the main factor affecting their income.

Nice move, I'm doing pretty much the same. By the way, I noticed that many people do this, so influencers and streamers try not to abuse their popularity (at least if we are talking about adequate, not trash streamers). The most popular streamers generally try to stay away from these topics because an angry audience can create a lot of problems from massive complaints to bullying in real life.

Agree most of the famous streamers are not doing this since it would drag bashers. But really those streamers are very influential on these things since really they could attract many people to play or buy this games. Since the pandemic came you could be famous and also make a ton of sales in your business if you've advertise it in the social media. Well hiring streamers are one of their strategy to advertise it is our own if we could be deceived

[goldkingcoiner]

Well to be fair you can see the same fake/bot market-making strategies on new crypto-exchanges. Its a dirty trick but as long as there are no regulations against it in gambling, I doubt people will stop using everything they can to their advantage. So basically blame the law for this.

I wonder if anyone officially even checks up on stuff like this.

[semobo]

Its actually not a fake bet, its also real bets made with real money but the only thing is all the money has been given by the casino itself so even if they win or lose the money is going to be in the hands of casino again and this is purely for promotion, no one supposed to believe what an influencer is doing completely since they too have their own mind for thinking purpose.

[Fortify]

Edit:
This seems to be a pretty controversial subject, so I decided to write this blog post to expand on my thoughts on this:
https://twitter.com/CSGOEmpireV2/status/1375068884584267778

I'm curious to hear what the Bitcointalk community thinks about this topic;

Casinos using fake bets to attract new players.

I was surprised to learn that the vast majority of videos and streams on Roobet.com are actually fake.
Here are a couple of examples of different deal formats that casinos are making with the influencers:

A) Bet amount inflation; The streamer only wants to gamble with $100. The site gives them "$10000" in funds, but only 1% of this is withdrawable. The viewers will think that the streamer is gambling with $10000, while in reality, they're only risking $100.

B) Infinite refills; The casino makes an agreement with the streamer. Let's say they want to pay the streamer $50,000 for a sponsorship contract. They start giving the streamer endless $1000 refills, which the streamer is supposed to gamble with. They will repeat this process until they "win" $50,000. The streamer will pretend to be shocked and highlight this big win in all of their social media channels. However, the truth is that there were zero risks involved for the streamer, and the final outcome was already known -- It was just a matter of time.

I brought this topic up in Roobet's Bitcointalk thread, and I was quite surprised to see a lot of people defending them, saying that this is totally justified. They mentioned points such as:
- "This has been going on for years. It's normal in the casino community."
- "The streamers are honest about it. They have a disclaimer somewhere stating that it's fake." (Their explanations usually are very indirect and abstract.)

In my personal opinion, this sort of marketing is highly deceiving and dishonest. Roobet (and other casinos) are inflating their systems with fake bets, pretending to be more popular than they really are. This is a loss for both, legit sites that don't want to inflate their numbers, and legit streamers who don't want to participate in the circus of fake bets and fake reactions.

What do you think?

Sadly the marketing world out there is absolutely ruthless and there is so much money involved with gambling, at such high profit margins, that it will continue until it is heavily regulated. The streamers also deserve a lot of the blame because they are sell outs with few morals, almost all are willing to drop their standards or feign ignorance if someone waves enough money infront of them. In some cases it will be seen as a badge of honor that they are being recruited and paid so much by any company, little do they know that they are just advertising pawns doing a lot of damage to the people watching their streams. It does need to be much more transparent and the actual streaming platforms should be more involved in monitoring people who are doing it so blatantly.

[worldofcoins]

Well, I recently saw a twitch streamer playing slots on a new gambling website and they have their Signature running here on the forum.
What I see is he's playing with 100k $ Slots 30-50$ /Spin but lost most of their money and over 300k $ in Loss and Still, they don't care much about their losses now reading about your Promo strategy of the Gambling websites makes me wonder if he only lost a fraction of that money.

[Fredomago]

Its actually not a fake bet, its also real bets made with real money but the only thing is all the money has been given by the casino itself so even if they win or lose the money is going to be in the hands of casino again and this is purely for promotion, no one supposed to believe what an influencer is doing completely since they too have their own mind for thinking purpose.

More on the promotion side but we can't be remove the fact that there are people who easily fall from this trick, influence has done their side and create impact for the website that they are promoting, it's very important to understand that in each case all of those influencers used the house money, they are given that privilege to continue enjoying by risking nothing.

Well, I recently saw a twitch streamer playing slots on a new gambling website and they have their Signature running here on the forum.
What I see is he's playing with 100k $ Slots 30-50$ /Spin but lost most of their money and over 300k $ in Loss and Still, they don't care much about their losses now reading about your Promo strategy of the Gambling websites makes me wonder if he only lost a fraction of that money.

Even if he lost everything, but if that bankroll is provided by the house, then there's nothing to worry on his part.

The site wanted to attract gamblers to visit and play. Whatever promotion they use, it serve same purpose, to invite the attention
and established good relationship with every gambler to use their platform.

[wxa7115]

If I see any of the Influencers or Streamers doing commercials that I think are a scam or an attempt to drag their viewers into a bad story, I just stop being a consumer of their content no matter how good it is. If everyone did that, they would just stop doing questionable advertising due to the decrease in viewers as this is the main factor affecting their income.

This is the correct way to go about it, however people have very short memories, many of them think of doing this when they find out there is something wrong with the content but then since they like the streamer and they do not want to give up the content they are producing they just give it a pass and keep watching their streams.

Which does not really make a lot of sense, after all if a company tried to scam me then I will never use their products and services and the same is true for anyone that was advertising them, but when it comes to streamers people give them most of the time the benefit of the doubt.

[milewilda]

Well, I recently saw a twitch streamer playing slots on a new gambling website and they have their Signature running here on the forum.
What I see is he's playing with 100k $ Slots 30-50$ /Spin but lost most of their money and over 300k $ in Loss and Still, they don't care much about their losses now reading about your Promo strategy of the Gambling websites makes me wonder if he only lost a fraction of that money.

Lost a fraction?No they didnt actually lost up a single dime for sure because if that kind of behavior on where those streamers been doing then its safe to presume that the funds that they've been using
is indeed in house funds or been sponsored and this is something that surprising for streamers on having this kind of set up.Something deceptive?
No its not because you arent forced to make out deposits unless if they do really force you out but if its not then its a self will kind of act.

[KTChampions]

Well to be fair you can see the same fake/bot market-making strategies on new crypto-exchanges. Its a dirty trick but as long as there are no regulations against it in gambling, I doubt people will stop using everything they can to their advantage. So basically blame the law for this.

I wonder if anyone officially even checks up on stuff like this.

  Show me at least one crypto exchange where bots don't operate? They work on absolutely all exchanges and on all traded pairs - if not for them, the liquidity in the overwhelming majority of pairs would be such that you would wait for the order to be executed not for seconds, but for hours or even days.

[nikola22]

Sadly the marketing world out there is absolutely ruthless and there is so much money involved with gambling, at such high profit margins, that it will continue until it is heavily regulated. The streamers also deserve a lot of the blame because they are sell outs with few morals, almost all are willing to drop their standards or feign ignorance if someone waves enough money infront of them. In some cases it will be seen as a badge of honor that they are being recruited and paid so much by any company, little do they know that they are just advertising pawns doing a lot of damage to the people watching their streams. It does need to be much more transparent and the actual streaming platforms should be more involved in monitoring people who are doing it so blatantly.

most new users are attracted by the possibility to win huge money in short period of time. if streamer shows how to win $50-$100 making small bets for several hours who will join the casino? so such kind of marketing is the result of the expectations.

[Mahanton]

Sadly the marketing world out there is absolutely ruthless and there is so much money involved with gambling, at such high profit margins, that it will continue until it is heavily regulated. The streamers also deserve a lot of the blame because they are sell outs with few morals, almost all are willing to drop their standards or feign ignorance if someone waves enough money infront of them. In some cases it will be seen as a badge of honor that they are being recruited and paid so much by any company, little do they know that they are just advertising pawns doing a lot of damage to the people watching their streams. It does need to be much more transparent and the actual streaming platforms should be more involved in monitoring people who are doing it so blatantly.

most new users are attracted by the possibility to win huge money in short period of time. if streamer shows how to win $50-$100 making small bets for several hours who will join the casino? so such kind of marketing is the result of the expectations.

But hey it do works and this had been the typical or casual or in default kind of marketing on where there are some people who do easily get hooked off and believed that it is really indeed possible.
This is the time that people will really be considering on making out some decisions on playing gambling just because they do saw that it is really working specially if those streamers shows off some
nasty win out of those bets and this is on the time where interest and greed really been showing off.

[hello_good_sir]

xposed and the Roobet crew can definitely be classified as frauds.

I think that their behavior should be condemned but I don't think that it's necessarily their fault - it's Roobet's fault for allowing this to happen in the first place.

The overreactions and dramatizations are simply way too overdone at this point to even be entertaining for most people. They're just targeting newbies.

[tippytoes]

Sadly the marketing world out there is absolutely ruthless and there is so much money involved with gambling, at such high profit margins, that it will continue until it is heavily regulated. The streamers also deserve a lot of the blame because they are sell outs with few morals, almost all are willing to drop their standards or feign ignorance if someone waves enough money infront of them. In some cases it will be seen as a badge of honor that they are being recruited and paid so much by any company, little do they know that they are just advertising pawns doing a lot of damage to the people watching their streams. It does need to be much more transparent and the actual streaming platforms should be more involved in monitoring people who are doing it so blatantly.

most new users are attracted by the possibility to win huge money in short period of time. if streamer shows how to win $50-$100 making small bets for several hours who will join the casino? so such kind of marketing is the result of the expectations.

And it is up to the user if he will take the bait. This is gambling, so they should know how things operate here. Watching their marketing ads are very tempting but once you played, it is totally different. So don't believe on things that you visually see because there are so many lies behind it.

[Saisher]

And it is up to the user if he will take the bait. This is gambling, so they should know how things operate here. Watching their marketing ads are very tempting but once you played, it is totally different. So don't believe on things that you visually see because there are so many lies behind it.

This is one of the traps on newbies misinformation and false advertising, they will later find this all out, as they go on playing that is why it's important to have a forum like this where there are many conflicting ideas and opinions to weed out what's the truth on these advertising, here in gambling you must not believe on what one guy is saying when he promotes his affiliate link, he'll shill it to high heaven.

[semobo]

Its actually not a fake bet, its also real bets made with real money but the only thing is all the money has been given by the casino itself so even if they win or lose the money is going to be in the hands of casino again and this is purely for promotion, no one supposed to believe what an influencer is doing completely since they too have their own mind for thinking purpose.

More on the promotion side but we can't be remove the fact that there are people who easily fall from this trick, influence has done their side and create impact for the website that they are promoting, it's very important to understand that in each case all of those influencers used the house money, they are given that privilege to continue enjoying by risking nothing.

So every promotion will fall under the dark side not only the casino advertisement, for example girls are using cosmetics products just because celebrities were shown in the advertisement that they will become much brighter after the application of the cream in just 5 minutes but in reality its not really going to happen.

[traderethereum]

And it is up to the user if he will take the bait. This is gambling, so they should know how things operate here. Watching their marketing ads are very tempting but once you played, it is totally different. So don't believe on things that you visually see because there are so many lies behind it.

This is one of the traps on newbies misinformation and false advertising, they will later find this all out, as they go on playing that is why it's important to have a forum like this where there are many conflicting ideas and opinions to weed out what's the truth on these advertising, here in gambling you must not believe on what one guy is saying when he promotes his affiliate link, he'll shill it to high heaven.

Many new gamblers will get in the trap and do not know how to get out from that as they will enjoy playing the games.
But if they know that is what the advertising will do to get new people, they will not bother to feel anything and consider that part of the marketing.
They will easily move to the other lesson or video just to fill what they need and not get tempted by the advertising.
That is why we need to be careful when seeing the advertising from social media and always search for more information to avoid the trap.

[madnessteat]

If I see any of the Influencers or Streamers doing commercials that I think are a scam or an attempt to drag their viewers into a bad story, I just stop being a consumer of their content no matter how good it is. If everyone did that, they would just stop doing questionable advertising due to the decrease in viewers as this is the main factor affecting their income.

That can work if their audience has much gambling experience and knows that the streamers or influencers are doing the wrong thing with their videos. But when it is uploaded into social media, many people will watch the video, including the new people who want to learn more about gambling. It can not stop it unless we report him to Youtube or other social media so he will not upload his video or even worse, his account will get ban from them.

How many Streamers or Influencers do you know who were banned due to collusion with the casino? For YouTube to ban an account you need hard evidence that you can't provide. So the only really workable way to influence this kind of activity is to reduce the number of subscribers in all of the streamer's social networks.

If I see any of the Influencers or Streamers doing commercials that I think are a scam or an attempt to drag their viewers into a bad story, I just stop being a consumer of their content no matter how good it is. If everyone did that, they would just stop doing questionable advertising due to the decrease in viewers as this is the main factor affecting their income.

This is the correct way to go about it, however people have very short memories, many of them think of doing this when they find out there is something wrong with the content but then since they like the streamer and they do not want to give up the content they are producing they just give it a pass and keep watching their streams.

Which does not really make a lot of sense, after all if a company tried to scam me then I will never use their products and services and the same is true for anyone that was advertising them, but when it comes to streamers people give them most of the time the benefit of the doubt.

Nowadays, the competition on the market is very high, so it is easy to find a replacement for your favorite streamer. By continuing to watch his content you support his activities.