Fake bets

[l3pox]

I guess not only do they make money from referrals but they also make money from the direct advertisements of the site. .

they can earn money thru referalls if they are good at acting it or good at promoting it because more viewers will sign up under them but if they are poor on executing the task , they cant make much money thru referalls .

Streamers aim for money, so we should not believe that they are really making a lot of money, or betting a lot, otherwise, they will relax and enjoy their winning and be consistently making money without telling people what they are doing

some yes but some do streaming because they have passion in it and not only to make money . for the streamer that wants to earn more , he might actually gamble for real or by using his own cash .

you are right
some streamers do it for fun, but when/if they start to grab more attention and have more people watching they can monetize their work in a varied number of ways like direct sponsors, referrals, so forth and so on.

[Fortify]

I brought this topic up in Roobet's Bitcointalk thread, and I was quite surprised to see a lot of people defending them, saying that this is totally justified. They mentioned points such as:
- "This has been going on for years. It's normal in the casino community."
- "The streamers are honest about it. They have a disclaimer somewhere stating that it's fake." (Their explanations usually are very indirect and abstract.)

In my personal opinion, this sort of marketing is highly deceiving and dishonest. Roobet (and other casinos) are inflating their systems with fake bets, pretending to be more popular than they really are. This is a loss for both, legit sites that don't want to inflate their numbers, and legit streamers who don't want to participate in the circus of fake bets and fake reactions.

What do you think?

It's unsurprising to see a gambling site here defend the activity, after all they stand to make a lot of money from such advertising and it is a rather cost effective way for them to get noticed. The people who defend this activity tend to be sheep or might be getting paid in some form to defend such activity. Unless you're an owner who stands to benefit, it does not make sense to defend such underhanded tactics and it makes it harder to figure out real reviews in general. Very few streamers tend to disclose this form of sponsorship and there needs to be more pressure from government agencies to crack down on such activities. It is unfair against open and honest casinos who use normal advertising.

[Fredomago]

I guess not only do they make money from referrals but they also make money from the direct advertisements of the site. .

they can earn money thru referalls if they are good at acting it or good at promoting it because more viewers will sign up under them but if they are poor on executing the task , they cant make much money thru referalls .

I think this is the main intention of the streamers so they can make money from people who sign up under their referral.
If we noticed, they will post a referral link below the video and they will tell us to click on the link.

For me, as a viewer, if I see the video as interesting and helpful on my part, then I would not hesitate to sign up on the streamer's referral link as a way to reward his/her effort.

I will agree to that, if you find something good with how the streamers demonstrate the game, signing to the site using his referral is one way of saying thanks, and you do appreciate what he's doing. It's not a secret about paid service to promote the gambling site. Most of the time streamers collect a decent check from the owner, aside from referrals streamers also discuss things from the site owners in terms of possible price of his service.

Though not all are really direct with the site owners, some are already contented with referrals, especially those streamers who are also gambler itself.

But again, if it's something too good to be true, don't bother yourself. It's simply part of either the site ads or streamers ways to earn.

[carlfebz2]

I guess not only do they make money from referrals but they also make money from the direct advertisements of the site. .

they can earn money thru referalls if they are good at acting it or good at promoting it because more viewers will sign up under them but if they are poor on executing the task , they cant make much money thru referalls .

Streamers aim for money, so we should not believe that they are really making a lot of money, or betting a lot, otherwise, they will relax and enjoy their winning and be consistently making money without telling people what they are doing

some yes but some do streaming because they have passion in it and not only to make money . for the streamer that wants to earn more , he might actually gamble for real or by using his own cash .

you are right
some streamers do it for fun, but when/if they start to grab more attention and have more people watching they can monetize their work in a varied number of ways like direct sponsors, referrals, so forth and so on.

Whenever a streamer doesnt really have any contracts or sponsorship then its just typical or normal for them to look on something new or currently on trend which they would make use and trying to hook up

viewers interest and of course they would really be hoping that they could really able to make some attention and make money out of it or would have at least make out some move that might poke up

companies interest and might give him some sponsorship later on.This is how this industry works and it isnt that surprising.

[tippytoes]

I guess not only do they make money from referrals but they also make money from the direct advertisements of the site. .

they can earn money thru referalls if they are good at acting it or good at promoting it because more viewers will sign up under them but if they are poor on executing the task , they cant make much money thru referalls .

I think this is the main intention of the streamers so they can make money from people who sign up under their referral.
If we noticed, they will post a referral link below the video and they will tell us to click on the link.

For me, as a viewer, if I see the video as interesting and helpful on my part, then I would not hesitate to sign up on the streamer's referral link as a way to reward his/her effort.

I will agree to that, if you find something good with how the streamers demonstrate the game, signing to the site using his referral is one way of saying thanks, and you do appreciate what he's doing. It's not a secret about paid service to promote the gambling site. Most of the time streamers collect a decent check from the owner, aside from referrals streamers also discuss things from the site owners in terms of possible price of his service.

Though not all are really direct with the site owners, some are already contented with referrals, especially those streamers who are also gambler itself.

But again, if it's something too good to be true, don't bother yourself. It's simply part of either the site ads or streamers ways to earn.

You can also get insights about their reputation if you try to read the comments section. You will have an idea if the followers are satisfied with the streamer or not, or is he receiving negative feedback? But of course, don't treat all comments as valid. You will know if the post is legit or not by checking also the facts. You can test the site by yourself using small amount of money, but don't get too confident that you will achieve the same results of the streamer.

[Smartvirus]

~snipe~

That's very thoughtful of you but, I really don't get it on whatvyour trying to prove. Should it be that, a clue tothis notion was stated in the T&C, it  could be seen as a clear indication to a promotion and which ever qY a user perceives it, its clearly from his or her own perspective based on the fact that, the user failed to read the T&C for further clarification. It's one way to some legal process. It's more like one plagiraizing on the forum and claiming to be ignorant of the rule. Depending on the magnitude of the case, its most likely not to count. Hence, I it was stated perhaps once, it notifies the aligations.

[sikke]

I am very much strongly against this.

I think that it is a dishonest practice, to put it bluntly. No consumer should make their decision off of some streamer who has an infinite money glitch from the casino.

It truly sensationalises a lot of the content and makes the streamers a lot richer than they actually are in reality... Not a fan.

[samcrypto]

I am very much strongly against this.

I think that it is a dishonest practice, to put it bluntly. No consumer should make their decision off of some streamer who has an infinite money glitch from the casino.

It truly sensationalises a lot of the content and makes the streamers a lot richer than they actually are in reality... Not a fan.

Its their job and even if we are against to it, that's how the casinos work and they'll do everything to attract many gamblers as much as possible. That streamer knows the risk of being exposed to gambling especially you have many followers that might put you on bigger risk but since they are working for money, they'll do it anyway. If you see fake bets on the casinos you're playing, better to raise your concern and also tell people about it so they can leave that casinos as well.

[Johnyz]

I am very much strongly against this.

I think that it is a dishonest practice, to put it bluntly. No consumer should make their decision off of some streamer who has an infinite money glitch from the casino.

It truly sensationalises a lot of the content and makes the streamers a lot richer than they actually are in reality... Not a fan.

Its their job and even if we are against to it, that's how the casinos work and they'll do everything to attract many gamblers as much as possible. That streamer knows the risk of being exposed to gambling especially you have many followers that might put you on bigger risk but since they are working for money, they'll do it anyway. If you see fake bets on the casinos you're playing, better to raise your concern and also tell people about it so they can leave that casinos as well.

Even if me I’m being paid for that I’ll do it especially on a situation right now where having a money is very important, its their job and its legal since they are not promoting illegal things though having such fake bets are quiet greedy for the casinos. We all need multiple source of income, but make sure you are more responsible on that since you are influencer so make sure those site are legit to advertise.

[michellee]

Even if he lost everything, but if that bankroll is provided by the house, then there's nothing to worry on his part.

Yes, these streamers are paid, and as well as whatever they're playing with is sponsored by that gambling company that they advertise and where they're playing at.
And they have to show the best that they can and be entertaining so that they will satisfy not only their audience but as well as the company that they're paid with. It's what they've been paid for to attract and be entertaining and even they spend all that has been given to them in balance.

This will really look shocking to those who doesn't know this trick, then spending more money on gambling just because of the results they saw on YouTube by content creators. Although I'm not always moved by what I see. I do like proof not just following anything I see on internet. This is business so I don't think there is anything wrong with this.

Gambling strategies are very important but it is better to start with a small amount of money an important assumption is that in order to win a victory both teams must win by the rules of the minimum game, regardless of the winning margin. This implies that teams in a winning position will not necessarily try to increase their gap.

When we use a small amount of money, our risk will not be bigger and if somehow, we lose all of that money, we will not regret it too much because we know that gambling can make us lose money. If we watch those streamers and see they use big money to gamble, we need to avoid following their step using big money because the result will not be the same as what they get. Those streamers will get popularity by uploading many videos about their activity in the gambling games and I think they are making money from their video. So if we only follow them without thinking about how much money we use, we will lose that money, which could be a big loss to us.

All starts with small bets and once we get used to gamble everyday for sure we will find ways to increase our bets then urge to win more money from it. I'm sure all of us came to this and even if we lose a small amount of money still we regret on the strategies we made nor the money we continuously put while we are on bad shape while betting. For sure streamers intention is to get money from referrals also with views so we shouldn't hail them then follow what they do since for sure they are not losing more compare us regular bettor only.

If we look at our history, regret will be there because if we can hold ourselves by using that money, maybe we can use that money for other things that we really need. If we urge to win more money from gambling, that will not be wise because no matter how hard we try to win big, the chance for the loss will be there and the loss can be bigger without we realize. Those streamers do not care about the effect that other people will get because of watching their video. Those streamers only give the video and give the decision for people and it is our job to be wise and filtering about what we watch from the internet.

[Chato1977]

I am very much strongly against this.

I think that it is a dishonest practice, to put it bluntly. No consumer should make their decision off of some streamer who has an infinite money glitch from the casino.

It truly sensationalises a lot of the content and makes the streamers a lot richer than they actually are in reality... Not a fan.

Its their job and even if we are against to it, that's how the casinos work and they'll do everything to attract many gamblers as much as possible. That streamer knows the risk of being exposed to gambling especially you have many followers that might put you on bigger risk but since they are working for money, they'll do it anyway. If you see fake bets on the casinos you're playing, better to raise your concern and also tell people about it so they can leave that casinos as well.

Even if me I’m being paid for that I’ll do it especially on a situation right now where having a money is very important, its their job and its legal since they are not promoting illegal things though having such fake bets are quiet greedy for the casinos. We all need multiple source of income, but make sure you are more responsible on that since you are influencer so make sure those site are legit to advertise.

They are only luring people to gamble but they are  not committing crime here so i don't really understand the motive of this post.,

and actually this happens when Roobet is Booming , it looks like an attack from other gambling site that has been affected because of the growth of roobet.

[hahay]

I am very much strongly against this.

I think that it is a dishonest practice, to put it bluntly. No consumer should make their decision off of some streamer who has an infinite money glitch from the casino.

It truly sensationalises a lot of the content and makes the streamers a lot richer than they actually are in reality... Not a fan.

Its their job and even if we are against to it, that's how the casinos work and they'll do everything to attract many gamblers as much as possible. That streamer knows the risk of being exposed to gambling especially you have many followers that might put you on bigger risk but since they are working for money, they'll do it anyway. If you see fake bets on the casinos you're playing, better to raise your concern and also tell people about it so they can leave that casinos as well.

Even if me I’m being paid for that I’ll do it especially on a situation right now where having a money is very important, its their job and its legal since they are not promoting illegal things though having such fake bets are quiet greedy for the casinos. We all need multiple source of income, but make sure you are more responsible on that since you are influencer so make sure those site are legit to advertise.

They are only luring people to gamble but they are  not committing crime here so i don't really understand the motive of this post.,

and actually this happens when Roobet is Booming , it looks like an attack from other gambling site that has been affected because of the growth of roobet.

Well, I think it all comes back to each of them because good gamblers are those who gamble with their own will, not following other people's trends that seem easy in gambling. If you gamble, make gambling your style because if you just follow people's gambling style it will be very dangerous. So whether or not there are fake bets in streaming in this case, I personally don't care because I just think it's just for advertising purposes and of course it will be different from real bets.

[madnessteat]

I am very much strongly against this.

I think that it is a dishonest practice, to put it bluntly. No consumer should make their decision off of some streamer who has an infinite money glitch from the casino.

It truly sensationalises a lot of the content and makes the streamers a lot richer than they actually are in reality... Not a fan.

Its their job and even if we are against to it, that's how the casinos work and they'll do everything to attract many gamblers as much as possible. That streamer knows the risk of being exposed to gambling especially you have many followers that might put you on bigger risk but since they are working for money, they'll do it anyway. If you see fake bets on the casinos you're playing, better to raise your concern and also tell people about it so they can leave that casinos as well.

Every Streamer chooses how to monetize content, but I believe that self-respecting Streamer and most importantly respecting their subscribers will not take part in advertising that can have a negative impact on people who trust him. If a streamer engages in such activities, he spits in the face of his subscribers, so I refuse such content and advise others to do so. 

[Natalim]

I am very much strongly against this.

I think that it is a dishonest practice, to put it bluntly. No consumer should make their decision off of some streamer who has an infinite money glitch from the casino.

It truly sensationalises a lot of the content and makes the streamers a lot richer than they actually are in reality... Not a fan.

Its their job and even if we are against to it, that's how the casinos work and they'll do everything to attract many gamblers as much as possible. That streamer knows the risk of being exposed to gambling especially you have many followers that might put you on bigger risk but since they are working for money, they'll do it anyway. If you see fake bets on the casinos you're playing, better to raise your concern and also tell people about it so they can leave that casinos as well.

Every Streamer chooses how to monetize content, but I believe that self-respecting Streamer and most importantly respecting their subscribers will not take part in advertising that can have a negative impact on people who trust him. If a streamer engages in such activities, he spits in the face of his subscribers, so I refuse such content and advise others to do so. 

The streamers can promote any gambling site he wants, but he has to ensure that it will not ruin his reputation so his subscribers will continue to patronieze the channel. Being a streamer, their best asset is their viewers, so no viewers means no influence on what they are promoting.

[madnessteat]

^

I absolutely agree with you. But as practice shows, some streamers are willing to advertise not entirely honest promotions and casinos for money. In my opinion, even if the streamer advertises some dubious action he should warn viewers that he got money for this advertisement. This approach makes it clear that the streamer warns his subscribers of the high risk of losing money. Unfortunately, not many streamers do it.

[cafucafucafu]

I think that it's definitely an issue.

As a community we need to stand against this actively. Otherwise, these streamers will continue to push out content for these casinos at the expense of the consumers.

Hopefully twitch and other streaming platforms take a stance as well soon. This is definitely not good enough unfortunately.

[Peanutswar]

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I absolutely agree with you. But as practice shows, some streamers are willing to advertise not entirely honest promotions and casinos for money. In my opinion, even if the streamer advertises some dubious action he should warn viewers that he got money for this advertisement. This approach makes it clear that the streamer warns his subscribers of the high risk of losing money. Unfortunately, not many streamers do it.

Some streamers of course uses their popularity to gather more players who will play on the platform they advertise some of them guide those newbie comers who wants to use the platform as support, still, it's good if the streamers will guide them to gamble still the end of the day they cannot handle their viewers like to set a limit to their gamble still the players choose the streamers job is to promote the platform and personal advice to them to prevent getting addicted and lose tons of money.

[rodskee]

I am very much strongly against this.

I think that it is a dishonest practice, to put it bluntly. No consumer should make their decision off of some streamer who has an infinite money glitch from the casino.

It truly sensationalises a lot of the content and makes the streamers a lot richer than they actually are in reality... Not a fan.

Its their job and even if we are against to it, that's how the casinos work and they'll do everything to attract many gamblers as much as possible. That streamer knows the risk of being exposed to gambling especially you have many followers that might put you on bigger risk but since they are working for money, they'll do it anyway. If you see fake bets on the casinos you're playing, better to raise your concern and also tell people about it so they can leave that casinos as well.

Every Streamer chooses how to monetize content, but I believe that self-respecting Streamer and most importantly respecting their subscribers will not take part in advertising that can have a negative impact on people who trust him. If a streamer engages in such activities, he spits in the face of his subscribers, so I refuse such content and advise others to do so. 

The streamers can promote any gambling site he wants, but he has to ensure that it will not ruin his reputation so his subscribers will continue to patronieze the channel. Being a streamer, their best asset is their viewers, so no viewers means no influence on what they are promoting.

streamers nowadays only plays good  in the beginning to lure more and more followers/viewers .

but in the long run when they already had the enough followers? then they will do anything they want in the name of money and in this area they will promote everything caring nothing if their reputation will explode.

that is what people do for the sake of money.

[l3pox]

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Every Streamer chooses how to monetize content, but I believe that self-respecting Streamer and most importantly respecting their subscribers will not take part in advertising that can have a negative impact on people who trust him. If a streamer engages in such activities, he spits in the face of his subscribers, so I refuse such content and advise others to do so. 

The streamers can promote any gambling site he wants, but he has to ensure that it will not ruin his reputation so his subscribers will continue to patronieze the channel. Being a streamer, their best asset is their viewers, so no viewers means no influence on what they are promoting.

this is a thing
many people forget about the importance of reputation and get burned for some money short term by promoting websites and services that are scams
way better to think longterm
money is fungible, reputation is not

[Fredomago]

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I absolutely agree with you. But as practice shows, some streamers are willing to advertise not entirely honest promotions and casinos for money. In my opinion, even if the streamer advertises some dubious action he should warn viewers that he got money for this advertisement. This approach makes it clear that the streamer warns his subscribers of the high risk of losing money. Unfortunately, not many streamers do it.

Some streamers of course uses their popularity to gather more players who will play on the platform they advertise some of them guide those newbie comers who wants to use the platform as support, still, it's good if the streamers will guide them to gamble still the end of the day they cannot handle their viewers like to set a limit to their gamble still the players choose the streamers job is to promote the platform and personal advice to them to prevent getting addicted and lose tons of money.

Disclaimer and other informational drive aside from driving gamblers to advertise gambling sites, though most of the time streamers do not care about it, they just aiming for referrals and paid salaries from the site that they are helping. More on cash-cow treatment with those viewers who are watching their stream videos.

And still, after everything, it is the gambler or the viewers that held responsible for any actions that they'll going to take.

No one is to be blamed, those paid streams are part of advertisement. It's not normal to anyone to just follow every streamers
your own understanding will help you not to lose tons of money for the sake of entertaining yourself.