Fake bets

[nurilham]

there are many gambling sites here and indeed our knowledge is needed so that we can choose a good site that is safe and good. that is why a gambler needs good experience and knowledge so as not to be deceived by sites that make losses or sites that are fraudulent. it will harm us especially for people who are not too familiar with the world of gambling. there are many sites that offer to win easily and quickly in gambling, of course it attracts the attention of gamblers especially for people who have just joined. so we have to be more careful in choosing it.

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[seleme]

there are many gambling sites here and indeed our knowledge is needed so that we can choose a good site that is safe and good. that is why a gambler needs good experience and knowledge so as not to be deceived by sites that make losses or sites that are fraudulent. it will harm us especially for people who are not too familiar with the world of gambling. there are many sites that offer to win easily and quickly in gambling, of course it attracts the attention of gamblers especially for people who have just joined. so we have to be more careful in choosing it.

The new websites need to bring the gambling addicts to their platforms and the best way is to promote the service on the Twitch channels. Sponsored money is not real money and usually, streamers can only withdraw a small percentage of the winnings, so it is not ethical to show fake max wins to gamblers and expectation they will choose your casino. Many gamblers are aware of the situation after countless discussions and this becomes annoying tbh.

[Lanatsa]

there are many gambling sites here and indeed our knowledge is needed so that we can choose a good site that is safe and good. that is why a gambler needs good experience and knowledge so as not to be deceived by sites that make losses or sites that are fraudulent. it will harm us especially for people who are not too familiar with the world of gambling. there are many sites that offer to win easily and quickly in gambling, of course it attracts the attention of gamblers especially for people who have just joined. so we have to be more careful in choosing it.

The new websites need to bring the gambling addicts to their platforms and the best way is to promote the service on the Twitch channels. Sponsored money is not real money and usually, streamers can only withdraw a small percentage of the winnings, so it is not ethical to show fake max wins to gamblers and expectation they will choose your casino. Many gamblers are aware of the situation after countless discussions and this becomes annoying tbh.

For some gamblers but you know that there would be always a noob who do really easily believe into something which they do saw that they could be rich if they do play on that particular site.

This is where common sense is really useful because even you are just noob but having that kind of awareness in mind then you would  really able to save your ass up.

This market had lots of frauds and shady things been done that's why you should be sensible towards your actions.

[Saint-loup]

there are many gambling sites here and indeed our knowledge is needed so that we can choose a good site that is safe and good. that is why a gambler needs good experience and knowledge so as not to be deceived by sites that make losses or sites that are fraudulent. it will harm us especially for people who are not too familiar with the world of gambling. there are many sites that offer to win easily and quickly in gambling, of course it attracts the attention of gamblers especially for people who have just joined. so we have to be more careful in choosing it.

The new websites need to bring the gambling addicts to their platforms and the best way is to promote the service on the Twitch channels. Sponsored money is not real money and usually, streamers can only withdraw a small percentage of the winnings, so it is not ethical to show fake max wins to gamblers and expectation they will choose your casino. Many gamblers are aware of the situation after countless discussions and this becomes annoying tbh.

For some gamblers but you know that there would be always a noob who do really easily believe into something which they do saw that they could be rich if they do play on that particular site.

This is where common sense is really useful because even you are just noob but having that kind of awareness in mind then you would  really able to save your ass up.

This market had lots of frauds and shady things been done that's why you should be sensible towards your actions.

No I don't think this market is full of frauds and shady things, at least not more than into other markets from the crypto world anyway. But it's always more reliable to use old and big platforms because they are less likely to scam people than the smaller ones.

[Stedsm]

No I don't think this market is full of frauds and shady things, at least not more than into other markets from the crypto world anyway. But it's always more reliable to use old and big platforms because they are less likely to scam people than the smaller ones.

That's right mate, gambling is not bad, the people behind it who are running casinos are. They try to lure new gamblers and make them addict by giving away various bonuses to them, then when those players start enjoying, they start the rigging game which takes every drop of money out of the pockets of the gamblers and puts it in the treasuries of casino. This isn't about any specific casino, but some of them are really shady. Playing on some reputed ones can help gamblers not to get stuck in a situation as above.

[Saint-loup]

No I don't think this market is full of frauds and shady things, at least not more than into other markets from the crypto world anyway. But it's always more reliable to use old and big platforms because they are less likely to scam people than the smaller ones.

That's right mate, gambling is not bad, the people behind it who are running casinos are. They try to lure new gamblers and make them addict by giving away various bonuses to them, then when those players start enjoying, they start the rigging game which takes every drop of money out of the pockets of the gamblers and puts it in the treasuries of casino. This isn't about any specific casino, but some of them are really shady. Playing on some reputed ones can help gamblers not to get stuck in a situation as above.

Yes I agree with you, gambling on the most reputed casinos is the better protection against scams IMHO but gambling on provably fair games is also a good solution to prevent scams from rigged games even if it doesn't protect against exit scams.

[Stedsm]

No I don't think this market is full of frauds and shady things, at least not more than into other markets from the crypto world anyway. But it's always more reliable to use old and big platforms because they are less likely to scam people than the smaller ones.

That's right mate, gambling is not bad, the people behind it who are running casinos are. They try to lure new gamblers and make them addict by giving away various bonuses to them, then when those players start enjoying, they start the rigging game which takes every drop of money out of the pockets of the gamblers and puts it in the treasuries of casino. This isn't about any specific casino, but some of them are really shady. Playing on some reputed ones can help gamblers not to get stuck in a situation as above.

Yes I agree with you, gambling on the most reputed casinos is the better protection against scams IMHO but gambling on provably fair games is also a good solution to prevent scams from rigged games even if it doesn't protect against exit scams.

Provably fair can't really help a gambler TBH if he doesn't really know how to check it. I had my friend gambling at a site he got to know in a message from some unknown source. He asked me that how's this site for gambling? I said I don't recognise this site, saw it for the first time. Did you invest there? He said, yes, I put over $200 to bet on some games. Later, when he tried to withdraw, the site blocked his account and he never got his money back. Even licensed websites with provably fair feature can scam if the desire of casino owners is not so good.

[Saint-loup]

No I don't think this market is full of frauds and shady things, at least not more than into other markets from the crypto world anyway. But it's always more reliable to use old and big platforms because they are less likely to scam people than the smaller ones.

That's right mate, gambling is not bad, the people behind it who are running casinos are. They try to lure new gamblers and make them addict by giving away various bonuses to them, then when those players start enjoying, they start the rigging game which takes every drop of money out of the pockets of the gamblers and puts it in the treasuries of casino. This isn't about any specific casino, but some of them are really shady. Playing on some reputed ones can help gamblers not to get stuck in a situation as above.

Yes I agree with you, gambling on the most reputed casinos is the better protection against scams IMHO but gambling on provably fair games is also a good solution to prevent scams from rigged games even if it doesn't protect against exit scams.

Provably fair can't really help a gambler TBH if he doesn't really know how to check it. I had my friend gambling at a site he got to know in a message from some unknown source. He asked me that how's this site for gambling? I said I don't recognise this site, saw it for the first time. Did you invest there? He said, yes, I put over $200 to bet on some games. Later, when he tried to withdraw, the site blocked his account and he never got his money back. Even licensed websites with provably fair feature can scam if the desire of casino owners is not so good.

That's a sad story, but people have to keep in mind that provably fair scheme only prevents gambling games to be rigged, it can't protect against bad actors stealing users funds. If the platform where you gamble is not a reputed one you should always deposit small amounts and withdrawing them the more quickly you can because as soon as you send your funds somewhere you have to trust this entity.

[ninkdwi]

I really hate Lying site because this comes to fooling people/gamblers  if a company really paying for this fake bets streaming then i think there is something to explain for.
though almost every casino has their own strategy and i also believe that many of them are doing the same faking of bets.

regardless of whether this action is called cheating or not, I think this goes back to an individual perspective because here especially in this case there are no written rules about something.
and when you look at it from one side to the other this is a strategy they use to attract fans, regardless of whether it's dirty or not, they are sure to succeed.
and here we can't blame the people who work with the casino because they are just workers. what needs to be emphasized is why you are interested because it is clear that such a thing must have been arranged.

I believe there are no deceptive gambling platforms because those gains and losses will always depend on you regardless of what happens in the game, it's a battle of luck, and we must not forget that this is still gambling. As long as the platforms pay, those fake bets by streamers might be nothing more than advertisements, similar to what other influencers or models do to make a product look good.

One of the issues here is that many are quite greedy, seeking to share the same rewards as the streamers. These methods, or should we say advertisements, are only intended to lure consumers; it is still your responsibility to observe and research the gambling platform, and your winnings will be decided by your luck, not theirs.

This is a fairly realistic thought, because indeed we must be aware that casinos also do gambling for profit and indeed their business is in this case that is focused on gambling, and we cannot protest against the rules that apply because it is like you said luck . when you win means you are lucky and when you lose you can't blame the gambling because this is a consequence that must be accepted.

and talking about streamers it's true this is an advertisement and they do promotions in a simulated way, and that means when we do that the results will be the same because from both the casino and the streamer they certainly have certain deals although not all of them are like that.

[Cling18]

I really hate Lying site because this comes to fooling people/gamblers  if a company really paying for this fake bets streaming then i think there is something to explain for.
though almost every casino has their own strategy and i also believe that many of them are doing the same faking of bets.

regardless of whether this action is called cheating or not, I think this goes back to an individual perspective because here especially in this case there are no written rules about something.
and when you look at it from one side to the other this is a strategy they use to attract fans, regardless of whether it's dirty or not, they are sure to succeed.
and here we can't blame the people who work with the casino because they are just workers. what needs to be emphasized is why you are interested because it is clear that such a thing must have been arranged.

I believe there are no deceptive gambling platforms because those gains and losses will always depend on you regardless of what happens in the game, it's a battle of luck, and we must not forget that this is still gambling. As long as the platforms pay, those fake bets by streamers might be nothing more than advertisements, similar to what other influencers or models do to make a product look good.

One of the issues here is that many are quite greedy, seeking to share the same rewards as the streamers. These methods, or should we say advertisements, are only intended to lure consumers; it is still your responsibility to observe and research the gambling platform, and your winnings will be decided by your luck, not theirs.

This is a fairly realistic thought, because indeed we must be aware that casinos also do gambling for profit and indeed their business is in this case that is focused on gambling, and we cannot protest against the rules that apply because it is like you said luck . when you win means you are lucky and when you lose you can't blame the gambling because this is a consequence that must be accepted.

and talking about streamers it's true this is an advertisement and they do promotions in a simulated way, and that means when we do that the results will be the same because from both the casino and the streamer they certainly have certain deals although not all of them are like that.

Fake bets are really deceiving but if you're having a second thought about a certain site, you can try it once so you'll have an idea if they're really providing fake bets. It's still important that we're being skeptical about the sites that we're joining. Some sites are creating fake bets to fool and deceive gamblers so we have to be wiser and smarter than them.

[Lucasgabd]

this is a thing
many people forget about the importance of reputation and get burned for some money short term by promoting websites and services that are scams
way better to think longterm
money is fungible, reputation is not

Many people do not have sufficient skills to independently analyze the advertised object and rely entirely on the reputation of the streamer. Others simply can't refuse to watch content they like. That is why we can still see advertisements of dubious nature on the channels of streamers who have a huge number of subscribers.

While we should definitely strive to protect the younger generations who are very impressionable and have not built up the knowledge of critical thinking to question what these streamers are doing, I think at some point we need to accept that grown adults should know better. If a streamer is identified as having a large younger audience, then they should receive special attention as to what they are doing and any subtle advertisements that they drop in. It's just extremely hard to distinguish between someone who genuinely likes a product or service, and someone who is being paid behind the scenes to promote it - you might have to ban such endorsements or clearly state that the views might be biased. It would need some sort of official and effective regulator who can actually investigate such activity (in every country), because it would require knowledge of payments that is generally quite hidden.

dangerous to claim for regulators to check every streamer subtle discourse
I wouldn't go this way, better to educate people to not fall for scams and yes we can have some regulations in terms of irregular ads, undisclosed ads or something like that

[ninkdwi]

This is a fairly realistic thought, because indeed we must be aware that casinos also do gambling for profit and indeed their business is in this case that is focused on gambling, and we cannot protest against the rules that apply because it is like you said luck . when you win means you are lucky and when you lose you can't blame the gambling because this is a consequence that must be accepted.

and talking about streamers it's true this is an advertisement and they do promotions in a simulated way, and that means when we do that the results will be the same because from both the casino and the streamer they certainly have certain deals although not all of them are like that.

Fake bets are really deceiving but if you're having a second thought about a certain site, you can try it once so you'll have an idea if they're really providing fake bets. It's still important that we're being skeptical about the sites that we're joining. Some sites are creating fake bets to fool and deceive gamblers so we have to be wiser and smarter than them.

I actually don't really understand what you mean by fake.
do you think it's fake when influencers try games and win lots of bets whereas when you try they win nothing?
or maybe you try once and you lose the bet you are playing then it is considered fake?
it's all gambling, friends, so apart from all the effort, of course, the bookies also want to make a profit and they carry out strategies such as making collaborations with streamers and they both benefit from it.
and skeptics, it's true that we have to act like that, and actually trying also I think is already out of skepticism because even before trying we should know which things can deceive and which don't.

[Lanatsa]

there are many gambling sites here and indeed our knowledge is needed so that we can choose a good site that is safe and good. that is why a gambler needs good experience and knowledge so as not to be deceived by sites that make losses or sites that are fraudulent. it will harm us especially for people who are not too familiar with the world of gambling. there are many sites that offer to win easily and quickly in gambling, of course it attracts the attention of gamblers especially for people who have just joined. so we have to be more careful in choosing it.

The new websites need to bring the gambling addicts to their platforms and the best way is to promote the service on the Twitch channels. Sponsored money is not real money and usually, streamers can only withdraw a small percentage of the winnings, so it is not ethical to show fake max wins to gamblers and expectation they will choose your casino. Many gamblers are aware of the situation after countless discussions and this becomes annoying tbh.

For some gamblers but you know that there would be always a noob who do really easily believe into something which they do saw that they could be rich if they do play on that particular site.

This is where common sense is really useful because even you are just noob but having that kind of awareness in mind then you would  really able to save your ass up.

This market had lots of frauds and shady things been done that's why you should be sensible towards your actions.

No I don't think this market is full of frauds and shady things, at least not more than into other markets from the crypto world anyway. But it's always more reliable to use old and big platforms because they are less likely to scam people than the smaller ones.

But there are gamblers who do really love on testing out new things whenever new gambling sites do really pop out because its not really always most of the time on where new sites are automatically considered to be scam.

You could actually able to determine which one is shady and which one is shady and which one is considerable on just seeing the design of the site itself where you could really have that kind of
impression.

You just make sure on using up your own common sense for you to determine out on probabilities of frauds around and make yourself prepared.

[Lucasgabd]

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one of the nice things about bitcointalk is that many of the scam websites are exposed here so people can protect themselves as well
some sites also publish they methods and you can verify that their lotto and other games are provably fair

[Fivestar4everMVP]

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one of the nice things about bitcointalk is that many of the scam websites are exposed here so people can protect themselves as well
some sites also publish they methods and you can verify that their lotto and other games are provably fair

Yeah, very true mate, this forum really doing a great job in exposing scam sites, both in gambling and crypto currencies in general.
But in the aspect of gambling, I doubt if any scam site has ever been exposed without them first scamming a member of this forum off his or her money, we get to know that a site is a scam only when a member comes complaining about the situation, this is why I always advice people to always watch it very carefully while they are testing out a new gambling site, if the money is important to loose, then don't risk it, allow others to rest and come back with their review before you make your own decision.

[South Park]

Edit:
This seems to be a pretty controversial subject, so I decided to write this blog post to expand on my thoughts on this:
https://twitter.com/CSGOEmpireV2/status/1375068884584267778

I'm curious to hear what the Bitcointalk community thinks about this topic;

Casinos using fake bets to attract new players.

I was surprised to learn that the vast majority of videos and streams on Roobet.com are actually fake.
Here are a couple of examples of different deal formats that casinos are making with the influencers:

A) Bet amount inflation; The streamer only wants to gamble with $100. The site gives them "$10000" in funds, but only 1% of this is withdrawable. The viewers will think that the streamer is gambling with $10000, while in reality, they're only risking $100.

B) Infinite refills; The casino makes an agreement with the streamer. Let's say they want to pay the streamer $50,000 for a sponsorship contract. They start giving the streamer endless $1000 refills, which the streamer is supposed to gamble with. They will repeat this process until they "win" $50,000. The streamer will pretend to be shocked and highlight this big win in all of their social media channels. However, the truth is that there were zero risks involved for the streamer, and the final outcome was already known -- It was just a matter of time.

I brought this topic up in Roobet's Bitcointalk thread, and I was quite surprised to see a lot of people defending them, saying that this is totally justified. They mentioned points such as:
- "This has been going on for years. It's normal in the casino community."
- "The streamers are honest about it. They have a disclaimer somewhere stating that it's fake." (Their explanations usually are very indirect and abstract.)

In my personal opinion, this sort of marketing is highly deceiving and dishonest. Roobet (and other casinos) are inflating their systems with fake bets, pretending to be more popular than they really are. This is a loss for both, legit sites that don't want to inflate their numbers, and legit streamers who don't want to participate in the circus of fake bets and fake reactions.

What do you think?

In my opinion, this is a new form of marketing that has yet to be regulated. If the viewer of such a video was informed that it is only a demo, instruction or demonstration without risk involved, it would be fine. In case it is covered up that it is just a show, it is unethical in my opinion. I think that soon the services that provide this type of video will regulate this and it will be eliminated.

I think something similar, when we see an ad and we see a famous person using a product do we actually think they are using the product they are promoting? No, we know they are being paid for it but in that case the assumption is clear from the beginning as it is an ad, so if those that are giving those reviews are open about the fact they are being paid to give the review or at least say that it is an ad then I have no problems with what they are doing, but if they are hiding this fact and selling it as real then that is without a problem as they are deceiving their audience.

[DoublerHunter]

I think something similar, when we see an ad and we see a famous person using a product do we actually think they are using the product they are promoting? No, we know they are being paid for it but in that case the assumption is clear from the beginning as it is an ad, so if those that are giving those reviews are open about the fact they are being paid to give the review or at least say that it is an ad then I have no problems with what they are doing, but if they are hiding this fact and selling it as real then that is without a problem as they are deceiving their audience.

^ yeah, I got your point.
We already know how will work those streamers not only in the gambling industry, those in ads that are misleading people, using models that don't even use their product and Roobet was using this strategy, and now they are one of the fastest-growing casinos. If you have to know how streamers deal with this then you should have limit yourself. Dont believe in streamers because they are doing their job just to promote casinos, if you know that is a fake bet from streamers, at least you can verify if there is a real provably fair of each bet so the fake bets that are made by streamers do not matter because we knew it already.

[dunfida]

I think something similar, when we see an ad and we see a famous person using a product do we actually think they are using the product they are promoting? No, we know they are being paid for it but in that case the assumption is clear from the beginning as it is an ad, so if those that are giving those reviews are open about the fact they are being paid to give the review or at least say that it is an ad then I have no problems with what they are doing, but if they are hiding this fact and selling it as real then that is without a problem as they are deceiving their audience.

^ yeah, I got your point.
We already know how will work those streamers not only in the gambling industry, those in ads that are misleading people, using models that don't even use their product and Roobet was using this strategy, and now they are one of the fastest-growing casinos. If you have to know how streamers deal with this then you should have limit yourself. Dont believe in streamers because they are doing their job just to promote casinos, if you know that is a fake bet from streamers, at least you can verify if there is a real provably fair of each bet so the fake bets that are made by streamers do not matter because we knew it already.

Fake bets on the sense that they are using sponsored money which is understandable but faking out bets which do really connects out with fairness issue then its an another story.Its understandable on how these influencers would really come into this route on where they might be ending up on a bit deceptive.

As said that as a gambler or speculator whenever you do make out these kind of notices then it would be just normal for you to make out counteractions opposing on what you are currently seeing.

You own perception and common would be the one would save you up.Dont let yourself fall into something which is deceptive.

[worldofcoins]

I guess you don't have to worry about gambling when you have unlimited sponsorship money! So trusting such streamers is like trusting Twitter's shitcoin shillers!
Gambling is fundamentally unprofitable for players, and by trusting ads that are designed to attract new gamblers you increase the risks!

Seriously these streamers don't care about their audience.

See YouTubers like RiceGum, JapePual.
And recently I've started watching a streamer from the league community and he's promoting a well known gambling casino to their audience knowing full well the majority of the audience is under 18. But that solves after they put 18+ in the video but does that work for people who wants to break rules whenever they can?

[Lucasgabd]

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one of the nice things about bitcointalk is that many of the scam websites are exposed here so people can protect themselves as well
some sites also publish they methods and you can verify that their lotto and other games are provably fair

Yeah, very true mate, this forum really doing a great job in exposing scam sites, both in gambling and crypto currencies in general.
But in the aspect of gambling, I doubt if any scam site has ever been exposed without them first scamming a member of this forum off his or her money, we get to know that a site is a scam only when a member comes complaining about the situation, this is why I always advice people to always watch it very carefully while they are testing out a new gambling site, if the money is important to loose, then don't risk it, allow others to rest and come back with their review before you make your own decision.

well, the site can only be a scam if it scams someone.
the point I don't get is why these people don't just go the right way and be fair/don't scam
in the long run they'll make much more money than scamming and being exposed for their faults