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March 19, 2021, 11:45:21 AM
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The minimum capital that is required to trade effectively and compound profit is 50$; anything below that means that you are literally wasting your own calls, signals; because without a good capital; the only way to make money is if you are making over 100% profit which is not sustainable. Your profit is someone else trade capital; so i implore us to twice your trading capital.

And once again, if you are to scared to loose money; then don't trade, it is not for you

I'd say the main problem with trading with very small amount of money is the fact that even 10-20% would not be significant enough for most traders to get out of a trade and most traders that fall into that category just want that 50-100% or more which is not that easy unless you're buying small cap tokens/coin which have their own risk even if it's in a bull market.

But then again if you just started trading you should not risk much any way and around 50-100$ would be a good capital to start with, but to avoid getting stuck in a trade because you didn't take profit because your gain wasn't enough Fiat wise, start looking at your profit in gained percentage(%) instead of Fiat which will help you to concentrate in the success/fail outcome instead of how much in fiat you gained/lost, the same strategy could be used for those that are not just testing out trading but those who happen to not take profit because they look at the USD value of their profit too much.
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March 19, 2021, 01:21:05 PM
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A friend of mine once said that any money you use in buying a coin should no longer be considered as money you have. lol, because it is a gamble, and it is best you prepare yourself with that mindset, so that even if you loose some money along the way, you won't consider the loss so much.

That kind of mindset only happens if you just throwing money into random coins, there are many coins out there that could give profit and you can see that by only seeing what kind of projects they are and whether they partnered with some big VC, by that alone you can trade long term and make proper profit.
Although I know that most of traders keep saying to only use the money that we can afford to lose but atleast the money should be properly traded with analyzation.
It definitely not right to say "just to trade the amount of money that you can afford to lose". Because if I'm going to trade, I should be doing something to make it more, not to lose them all. That kind of mindset never works, and that word "can afford to lose" means that we are willing to lose it easily. because if we do something, that loss means nothing, and we surely don't end up like that.
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March 19, 2021, 01:30:18 PM
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That kind of mindset only happens if you just throwing money into random coins, there are many coins out there that could give profit and you can see that by only seeing what kind of projects they are and whether they partnered with some big VC, by that alone you can trade long term and make proper profit.
Although I know that most of traders keep saying to only use the money that we can afford to lose but atleast the money should be properly traded with analyzation.

Money used to buy a coin which is profitable coin like cryptocurrency in not throwing money maybe that friend of yours mate have no idea about cryptocurrency yet. If this is somewhat a kind of definition for this then does taking the risk to put up a business was also some kind of gambling right, it is somewhat buying those services or product which has no perfect assurance if it will going to give you a return of investment.
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March 19, 2021, 03:38:02 PM
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I think a trade if our capital is big would be quicker to make large profits medium with small capital would certainly make small profits.. That is, logically, however, any trade would require knowledge and experience flying hours on the journey would not be as easy as turning a palm of the hand not necessarily with big capitals. we would get big outcomes, and if we didn't have them all could be we could be falling into huge losses but perhaps a failure that would make us a successful person without feeling the falling process In the trade maybe that makes us even better in the future

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March 19, 2021, 04:54:29 PM
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More fund means more portfolio, more profit, if you have low amount of Capital then you make very small amount form trading and if you have large amount of Capital then you can make good profit form Crypto trading.         
But more capital means more loss too. If you can profit with $10 capital and somehow manage to earn $1 per week or month then you can do the same with $1000 also and I don't understand why bigger amounts are needed to test your own capabilities. Whether you play soccer in your garden or you play for your country, the skills remain the same. Similarly, trading skills cannot enhanced just because you are trading with bigger amounts because the plan and knowledge remain the same. Sometimes with big capital, you actually become more tentative and avoid risks, which is crucial in the bitcoin trading market.

$50 or $10 000, does it mean anything at all if the trader has no idea what he is actually doing? Everyone would want to get rich overnight by sitting in front of a computer and buying something cheap, and then selling the same x100 more expensive - but where would the crypto market end up in that case? Your profit is someone's loss and vice versa - which means that there must always be a lot more losers than winners.
Exactly Cheesy If you know what you are doing and how you plan it, then whether you trade with millions of hundreds of dollars it doesn't matter. I think a lot of traders when they fail in trading they get an easy excuse that their capital wasn't sufficient. I hope they realize that the problem was either with the planning or the execution because no capital is small or big, if you have the right plan and able to execute, you will do good.
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March 19, 2021, 05:08:51 PM
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If you know what you are doing and how you plan it, then whether you trade with millions of hundreds of dollars it doesn't matter. I think a lot of traders when they fail in trading they get an easy excuse that their capital wasn't sufficient. I hope they realize that the problem was either with the planning or the execution because no capital is small or big, if you have the right plan and able to execute, you will do good.

Yeah  Smiley The crucial part is the execution and management of the trade with higher risk.  From a psychological standpoint it's a difference if you're risking 10$ or 10k$.  The experienced trader is just capable of handling the 10k$ risk and stick to the plan in any way.  If a not experienced trader ups his risk from 100$ to 1000$ at once, his psychology will most likely crush him.
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March 19, 2021, 05:29:44 PM
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The minimum capital that is required to trade effectively and compound profit is 50$; anything below that means that you are literally wasting your own calls, signals; because without a good capital; the only way to make money is if you are making over 100% profit which is not sustainable. Your profit is someone else trade capital; so i implore us to twice your trading capital.

And once again, if you are to scared to loose money; then don't trade, it is not for you

You're right! For effective trading you need capital and the more the better. I remember my first experience in trading, when I tried to trade for a small amount, all this is a waste of time, the maximum you can get a little experience, but you can never make good money. The main thing in trading is to make a profit, and this profit should be tangible so that you have the motivation to make more profit, but this requires capital.
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March 19, 2021, 06:42:06 PM
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The minimum capital that is required to trade effectively and compound profit is 50$; anything below that means that you are literally wasting your own calls, signals; because without a good capital; the only way to make money is if you are making over 100% profit which is not sustainable. Your profit is someone else trade capital; so i implore us to twice your trading capital.

And once again, if you are to scared to loose money; then don't trade, it is not for you

You're right! For effective trading you need capital and the more the better. I remember my first experience in trading, when I tried to trade for a small amount, all this is a waste of time, the maximum you can get a little experience, but you can never make good money. The main thing in trading is to make a profit, and this profit should be tangible so that you have the motivation to make more profit, but this requires capital.
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March 19, 2021, 06:44:24 PM
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The minimum capital that is required to trade effectively and compound profit is 50$; anything below that means that you are literally wasting your own calls, signals; because without a good capital; the only way to make money is if you are making over 100% profit which is not sustainable. Your profit is someone else trade capital; so i implore us to twice your trading capital.

And once again, if you are to scared to loose money; then don't trade, it is not for you
I also don’t feel to succeed if I’m just going to trade with that kind of capital, it might not cover all the fees I have to pay so that capital might not last longer.

Trading requires the right knowledge and it also requires capital. I’ve started my trading journey with a $200 capital, and it works for me perfectly so I suggest that at least $200 should be your starting capital to fully enjoy trading.
trading is a tough job fraught with dangers. Still, if the idea of making quick money attracts you, here are a few tips to help you on your way.How many times have you bought a stock on someone's advice to make a quick buck and waited for months, may be years, to just recover your cost? Share trading, experts warn, is a risky game. However, it's possible to play it smartly and make a quick buck as well, they say.
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March 19, 2021, 10:04:08 PM
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I agree that trading is how we play our capital properly, the smarter we are in utilizing the capital we have. It should be easier to make profit,
the most important thing is how our strategy is to allocate the capital we have in the right coins. If our choice of coins is good, the capital we have
should continue to grow. Of course crypto trading is a risky activity, if we are afraid of losing money, it's best to avoid trading. Because for traders
losing money is a common thing, it must happen if the market suddenly changes not according to what we planned. Because trading is not
always profitable, but if the amount of loss we experience is still below the income we get. Trading is still worth doing.

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March 19, 2021, 10:18:41 PM
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I agree that trading is how we play our capital properly, the smarter we are in utilizing the capital we have. It should be easier to make profit,
the most important thing is how our strategy is to allocate the capital we have in the right coins. If our choice of coins is good, the capital we have
should continue to grow. Of course crypto trading is a risky activity, if we are afraid of losing money, it's best to avoid trading. Because for traders
losing money is a common thing, it must happen if the market suddenly changes not according to what we planned. Because trading is not
always profitable, but if the amount of loss we experience is still below the income we get. Trading is still worth doing.

It requires a lot of knowledge in order to be profitable in trading, if you have that and you are confident on making yourself profitable, then there's no limit as crypto trading is open 24/7 and you can enjoy every opportunity that you can spot.

Personally, I not more into daily trading because I think it requires more time and I can't give that now since I'm busy with my personal life and my business as well.
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March 19, 2021, 10:22:45 PM
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As much as trading capital plays a major role in determining the amount of profits made at the end of the day, it would be wrong to believe it's the only major factor necessary to make profits.
Much more than being a game of capital, I believe trading is a game of strategies that work and consistency. Even if you have the most capital to trade and your strategies always end in a loss, you'd eventually lose it all and back out of trading.
If you have a good strategy or strategies and you're consistent with trading, you can build your account from as low as $10 to as high as anything

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March 19, 2021, 10:27:31 PM
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You can feel having a high capital although you have small  amount. I mean, as an example you just have $50 in your initial capital but you still have a chance to feel as you have $500 as your capital.

Yeah, you can use future market and using leverage, have you use it? This feature can help you to earn a lot of money by using small amount but in one note you have understood and have known the technical and fundamental analyst.

But, if you haven't known about these strategies and you use future market using high leverage then you aren't trade but you are in gambling. That is an advantages and disadvantages of future market. Trading is not about you spend money than you can afford to lose but more than that you have to know what you trade on.
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March 20, 2021, 01:17:17 PM
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The bigger the risk, the higher the profit. 

This is true, but also do not forget that the bigger the risk, the more important for you to use a very good stop loss % that will make your loss minimal if things go south. Also you cannot be desperate to take profits; because some chart play out in few days, and some weeks. Always do your own research and remember that trading is not gambling.
Don't forget that in every trade you only put at least 1% of your capital, but in $50 capital I think it's not good to apply it but still depends on your trading plans. It still depends on someone's capital that he plans to put in trade. Small capital is a good start for trading rather than putting too much money with no background on how trading works.I know a person who put them all money without knowing the risk management. Feel bad to him then give him advice that don't put too much money and start learning things about cryptocurrency first.

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March 20, 2021, 01:22:54 PM
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You can feel having a high capital although you have small  amount. I mean, as an example you just have $50 in your initial capital but you still have a chance to feel as you have $500 as your capital.

Yeah, you can use future market and using leverage, have you use it? This feature can help you to earn a lot of money by using small amount but in one note you have understood and have known the technical and fundamental analyst.

But, if you haven't known about these strategies and you use future market using high leverage then you aren't trade but you are in gambling. That is an advantages and disadvantages of future market. Trading is not about you spend money than you can afford to lose but more than that you have to know what you trade on.
Using leverage to trade to earn huge profits can also be counterproductive, a loss mean might likely rekt the capital invested. Trading is not gambling a trader is expected to have a working strategy of course their is no perfect strategy andcsuch a trader is expected to manage a trade to earn profits despite the fact that losses are bound to be incurred.
Trading with $50 capital as a full time trader is too small to sustain such a trader expenses because the trader is bound to withdrawing the profits Everytime.

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March 20, 2021, 02:40:36 PM
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As much as trading capital plays a major role in determining the amount of profits made at the end of the day, it would be wrong to believe it's the only major factor necessary to make profits.
Much more than being a game of capital, I believe trading is a game of strategies that work and consistency. Even if you have the most capital to trade and your strategies always end in a loss, you'd eventually lose it all and back out of trading.
If you have a good strategy or strategies and you're consistent with trading, you can build your account from as low as $10 to as high as anything
Agreed, no matter how low you capital is, even if it's just a tip given from you or just bonus from the trading site itself, you may still be able to earn big as long as you have the strategy and the right research about it.
Your capital can grow big along the way if you compound all the earnings you get from it. What's important in trading is the right researches and strategies. If you can manage your earnings, losses and funds way better than those who have higher capital then you are more likely to earn than those who started big. I'm not saying that the capital isn't important because you can earn way higher if you have high capital but rather you can achieve and achieve higher funds and capital if you have the right materials, researches and put your time and effort unto trading.

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March 20, 2021, 04:51:20 PM
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As much as trading capital plays a major role in determining the amount of profits made at the end of the day, it would be wrong to believe it's the only major factor necessary to make profits.
Much more than being a game of capital, I believe trading is a game of strategies that work and consistency. Even if you have the most capital to trade and your strategies always end in a loss, you'd eventually lose it all and back out of trading.
If you have a good strategy or strategies and you're consistent with trading, you can build your account from as low as $10 to as high as anything
Agreed, no matter how low you capital is, even if it's just a tip given from you or just bonus from the trading site itself, you may still be able to earn big as long as you have the strategy and the right research about it.
Your capital can grow big along the way if you compound all the earnings you get from it. What's important in trading is the right researches and strategies. If you can manage your earnings, losses and funds way better than those who have higher capital then you are more likely to earn than those who started big. I'm not saying that the capital isn't important because you can earn way higher if you have high capital but rather you can achieve and achieve higher funds and capital if you have the right materials, researches and put your time and effort unto trading.
But we can't argue that it takes more time to earn $1000 if you have just $10 capital than you start with $1000. We can see a huge difference and ain't that a big problem if we are able to have that patient to grow and double our money.

That is why, if we can able to start with a big amount that will be great and we never lose a lot of time waiting to grow it. And another reason is that we might miss some good prices which will make us regret it. Perhaps, time is so precious, we have to maximize it if we can.

 
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March 20, 2021, 05:39:16 PM
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The minimum capital that is required to trade effectively and compound profit is 50$; anything below that means that you are literally wasting your own calls, signals; because without a good capital; the only way to make money is if you are making over 100% profit which is not sustainable. Your profit is someone else trade capital; so i implore us to twice your trading capital.

And once again, if you are to scared to loose money; then don't trade, it is not for you
Yes you’re right, unless the person just feels like playing around with a small amount and not minding whatever comes out of it. For example when I was into forex trading, most of the forex trading platforms I know wouldn’t let you invest anything less than 250 dollars, your investment has to be from that 250 dollars and upwards, and anything less than that is not allowed. It was after that I started seeing some new sites, especially options trading platforms, that will be allowing their customers to be investing from 10 dollars. You will see people who will invest and lose it all at once.

Trading is always best to start with a good amount of money and make better profit, and this amount should be something you trade and be ready to take the loss in case it should happen.
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March 21, 2021, 12:28:33 AM
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I think trading capital ultimately depends on the trader and how much they are willing to lose per trade. There are traders who can take a $10 or $20 trading accounts to the highs of $5000 - $10000. Anybody can do it if they know what they're doing. It's very much possible these days since you can trade crypto futures and even use leverages. Your patry $20 capital would be $200 when on a 10x leverage account.

Anyway, I'm not here to talk about leverage trading. The point I'm trying to drive home is that any trading capital should be fine as far as the trader is comfortable with it and knows what they're doing. But one thing is clear those, the more the capital, the more you're likely to profit per trade if it goes well - for instance, gaining 500% on an $10 account doesn't seem to be worth it considering you only get $40 as profit. Compare that with a $500 - $5000 trading account.

I am very much agreed to your explanation Sir, there is really no problem with the capital whether it is small or big.
The really thing important is that the individual traders knows what they are doing inside the trading platform were in the end
they could get a nice profit of course. In fact, in my experienced I started with a small capital amounting 20$ then within a week I can make it turn into 50$ - 100$ or more something like that even up to the present.
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March 21, 2021, 04:36:25 AM
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You can trade crypto futures and even use leverage so it is very possible nowadays. I think trading capital ultimately depends on the trader and how much they are willing to lose per trade.
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