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[boltz]

I personally agree with McLaren decision to let Oscar win because they made a big undercut with Norris to protect against Hamilton and Max and that worked very well for Norris so it was the right decision to make Oscar back on 1st position. However , the crybaby Norris wanted to flex a little without having any rights to actually win the race because we was on pole and lost his position to Oscar on track without having any real chance to actually fight back. More than this , it took Norris 4 years to achieve his first F1 victory and that came with massive luck from Safety Car in Miami because without that he would still be without any victory. On the other side , it took Oscar 1.5 years to actually win an F1 race and the kid is way more talented than Norris in every aspect and he does have an F1 champ aura around him. For me , Norris , is just another average driver and in my 26 years of watching F1 , I've saw plenty of drivers just like him and they all achieved a few victories and nothing more. 

[FanEagle]

I personally agree with McLaren decision to let Oscar win because they made a big undercut with Norris to protect against Hamilton and Max and that worked very well for Norris so it was the right decision to make Oscar back on 1st position. However , the crybaby Norris wanted to flex a little without having any rights to actually win the race because we was on pole and lost his position to Oscar on track without having any real chance to actually fight back. More than this , it took Norris 4 years to achieve his first F1 victory and that came with massive luck from Safety Car in Miami because without that he would still be without any victory. On the other side , it took Oscar 1.5 years to actually win an F1 race and the kid is way more talented than Norris in every aspect and he does have an F1 champ aura around him. For me , Norris , is just another average driver and in my 26 years of watching F1 , I've saw plenty of drivers just like him and they all achieved a few victories and nothing more.  

I would say that nobody is saying it was an "unfair" one, they let Norris take the lead with the strategy, to make sure that they have the best chance, and that's understandable, it was a better deal, if they gave that advantage to Piastri then he would have won even easier, but Norris would have been in trouble, that's why the strategy was the correct one and what they asked Norris to do wasn't unfair neither. What people are saying that it was needless, I mean Norris is fighting for drivers title, and sure Piastri deserved the win there, but we have seen people who do not even deserve, end up getting the lead, just because they are fighting in the championship. It wouldn't hurt the team, team would still get the same points, and Norris would have been closer to Max as well.

So while people think that it was fair request, it was a stupid one and that's why it is not really looking like what they should have done. That's of course in the past, they will grow from there and we could end up with same situation again and we could end up with something much better and maybe they won't do it again. Maybe this was to give Piastri his first win, after this maybe they will not do it again.

[boltz]

Personally I don't think Norris has any real chances to actually fight for the championship against Max and McLaren knows this very well. Also , Norris doesn't have what it needs to be a champion and McLaren also noticed this so I won't be surprised if the power slowly moves towards Piastri with each race passing by. I also don't think we will see another UK driver becoming F1 champ for quite some time as no one is really at the level of Hamilton from all aspects.

Now , let's see what SPA will provide because once again , I do see Piastri finishing in front of Norris this will create more drama between them and more rivalry that should bring an epic showdown between them. I also hope McLaren will provide a title car next year and let them battle fairly on track like Mercedes did with Rosberg and Hamilton back in 2016. <3

[rdbase]

@FanEagle & @boltz
McLaren should let the their drivers get those first place wins on their own merit then. Simply put.
If Verstappen was right behind Piastri fighting for first place, do you think he could handle that?
Norris has the experience and they have done several races together in the sim machines.
But since Oscar has put this podium under this belt, we will see how he can use this flex to his advantage in this race right after doing just that. Taking the race from Lando.

Atleast we can all agree: It won't be a boring one!
And that is all F1 fans want to see some fight for the race and not just the same driver winning over and over and over again.

[emrecemsan]

By the way if it was Verstappen in Norris' place there, I say he would NEVER switch places with Piastri.    He wouldn't do it against anyone in short because of his very ambitious nature.


The race weekend has already started. FP1 has ended and Verstappen was at top at the end of the session. His time was 1:43.372 which is proving my point on my previous post. We saw a few seconds better laps already in FP1 compared to last season.

Who knows what it will be during qualifying. In addition, I have noticed interesting odds for qualifying too. Verstappen is given 1.72 for pole while it is 3.80 for Norris. I think it is worth giving Norris pole a chance at these nice odds.

[stompix]

So another race another drama, Russell was disqualified so, ironically his teammate wins just like in the previous one, Lando was behind Max so he is running slowly out of time for a season surprise.

Honestly after the mess with the 10-place penalty and how the grid looked at the start it was clear it was going to be one messy race and glad I stayed out of it, no way in hell I would have guessed the tiniest part of what the end standings look like, although all my instinct screamed, you're going to see, despite this Perez is still going to finish behind Max.
Probably good times to gamble with closed eyes as logic fails a lot lately.

[rdbase]

Races are never done til all checks are done because the other Mercedes won the race.
The FIA decided the finalized race results in the end of this one.

Due to another fuel issue which caused the car to weigh less than all the others on the track, Russell was disqualified.
So that means Hamilton takes 1first place, Piastri to second and Leclerc third for the Belgian Grand Prix.

Sainz signs with Williams for next season:
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article/analysis-how-williams-won-out-over-sauber-and-alpine-to-secure-sainz-and.LrlMBihQBd2C9z8pkO6nb

[emrecemsan]

It was a really disappointing ending for Russell. But it was all Mercedes' fault of course. They should have been more careful with the weight of the car before the race started.  

Hamilton got his 2nd win after Great Britain which is really impressive. What do you think? Is he already regretting to sign for Ferrari now?    Mercedes is really ahead of Ferrari recently and I wonder how Ferrari will answer.

By the way now we have a 1-month summer break until Zandvoort. August 23-25 are the dates for the next GP. Verstappen can't win for 4 races and it is going to be his home GP up next. So I'm curious already...

Sainz signs with Williams for next season:
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article/analysis-how-williams-won-out-over-sauber-and-alpine-to-secure-sainz-and.LrlMBihQBd2C9z8pkO6nb

This really surprised me. Because it is like a downgrade in his career thinking how bad Williams is these days. But I hope he signs for a big team after 1 season the most. Because Sainz is one of the most skilled drivers on the grid.

[stompix]

This really surprised me. Because it is like a downgrade in his career thinking how bad Williams is these days. But I hope he signs for a big team after 1 season the most. Because Sainz is one of the most skilled drivers on the grid.

He hasn't shown much and he is on par with Leclrec but older and with less money from sponsors, it was expected.
Same thing with Perez, the money talked, and he will stay till the end despite his constant flops that will at this point for sure cost RB the championship, Ricciardo is no golden fix either so seems like being out of revolutionary options RB will just have to keep on going with the same thing and hope it will go better after the break.

Mercedes is really ahead of Ferrari recently and I wonder how Ferrari will answer.

The way things go lately you need at least 4-8 races to see if it's an improvement or just a series of random events that lead to it.
I wouldn't be surprised by anything, even by Ferrari outclassing McLaren after the break, it all started when RB was no longer king of the road
so why stop the wave of surprise now?

[wiss19]

Ferrari may not even answer, if we have seen Ferrari enough in the last decade, we know that they don't really do anything to help with their drivers at all, they just get drivers and hope that things will go fine.

To be fair, if they weren't paid that extra money that no other team gets, then we wouldn't even have a Ferrari by now, they are just propped up by formula one and given extra money so they would continue but that is about it, hell I am starting to believe that they care about other races than formula at this point, they know that they are not doing anything good here.

If they wanted to, all they had to do was get Newey just as he is leaving red bull, and wit Hamilton+Charles combo and Newey at the helm, they would have done something magical. They are getting Hamilton at the end of his career, for maybe a season or two, when he is already behind George as it is if you ask me, points don't matter, it is obvious George is already getting better than Hamilton, because Lewis is just getting older. At this point, I believe that Ferrari will just let it happen, RB is better, Mclaren is better and now Mercedes is better, they will be fourth car by the end of the season at constructors title.

[Volgastallion]

My main question for the next season line up of Ferrari si.... are they really prepared to fullify all the super pressure is gonna put the two drivers and a lot of headaches made by both of them for troubles in the track? I mean is Charles LEcelerc and Lewis Hamilton both wants to win no matter how and both wants to be the number 1 driver.... Is gonna acept being the number 2 Leclerc without any fight? I dont think so and also i dont think this Ferrari team and headcoach can manage this in a  well manner.

A lot of drama i can smell and expect.

[danherbias07]

Summer break. A long hiatus for Formula 1 racers. No one can do anything even test drives.

Here is a good read while we are waiting for the Heineken Dutch Grand Prix.
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article/power-rankings-which-drivers-impressed-our-judges-with-some-brilliant.1C0nC8gkASxpiv5t1OHZtl
POWER RANKINGS: Which drivers impressed our judges with some brilliant driving in Belgium?

How it works
Our five-judge panel assess each driver after every Grand Prix and score them out of 10 according to their performance across the weekend – taking machinery out of the equation

Our experts’ scores are then averaged out to produce a race score – with those scores then tallied up across the season on our overall Power Rankings Leaderboard (at the bottom of the page)

1. Lewis Hamilton
Oh yes, he played that race so smoothly taking the 1st spot from the third position. Very lovely.
2. George Russell
Was it really tire wear? He did the one-stop plan so I think there's a good reason behind it. Imagine taking a big risk of driving with a worn tire and finishing first then suddenly you are disqualified. I bet that hurts more for the driver than the team.
3. Oscar Piastri
4. Charles Leclerc
5. Daniel Ricciardo
6. Max Verstappen - Damn penalty.

[boltz]

Summer break. A long hiatus for Formula 1 racers. No one can do anything even test drives.

Here is a good read while we are waiting for the Heineken Dutch Grand Prix.
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article/power-rankings-which-drivers-impressed-our-judges-with-some-brilliant.1C0nC8gkASxpiv5t1OHZtl
POWER RANKINGS: Which drivers impressed our judges with some brilliant driving in Belgium?

How it works
Our five-judge panel assess each driver after every Grand Prix and score them out of 10 according to their performance across the weekend – taking machinery out of the equation

Our experts’ scores are then averaged out to produce a race score – with those scores then tallied up across the season on our overall Power Rankings Leaderboard (at the bottom of the page)

1. Lewis Hamilton
Oh yes, he played that race so smoothly taking the 1st spot from the third position. Very lovely.
2. George Russell
Was it really tire wear? He did the one-stop plan so I think there's a good reason behind it. Imagine taking a big risk of driving with a worn tire and finishing first then suddenly you are disqualified. I bet that hurts more for the driver than the team.
3. Oscar Piastri
4. Charles Leclerc
5. Daniel Ricciardo
6. Max Verstappen - Damn penalty.

Eh , 1 week is almost done from a total of 3 weeks break and F1 will be back.

Like you said above , I agree with all top 6 but I must also say that Leclerc didn't everything he could to actually get a top 3 on track but he doesn't have a car that can compete with McLaren and Mercedes and this might hurt them in 2nd half of the season too.

Regarding Ricciardo , I think he finally found some himself back and he started to accumulate more points for his team but unfortunately for him , he couldn't get a transfer back to RedBull and that was his goal for this summer break... .Hopefully , he will still be a strong and dedicate driver to score points and try to catch a RedBull seat for next season because if he won't , I'm not so sure how much he will stay in F1.

[emrecemsan]

He hasn't shown much and he is on par with Leclrec but older and with less money from sponsors, it was expected.
Same thing with Perez, the money talked, and he will stay till the end despite his constant flops that will at this point for sure cost RB the championship, Ricciardo is no golden fix either so seems like being out of revolutionary options RB will just have to keep on going with the same thing and hope it will go better after the break.

Leclerc and Perez are both really a big disappointment though. I mean many people including me have had big hopes from Leclerc especially. But he couldn't meet the expectations exactly. Even in Ferrari's better times. He tends to make simple individual mistakes still.

About Perez, he has just turned into a useless driver I'm afraid.    I remember his good old times. But now they are no more to be seen. He has just lost his competitive nature.

The way things go lately you need at least 4-8 races to see if it's an improvement or just a series of random events that lead to it.
I wouldn't be surprised by anything, even by Ferrari outclassing McLaren after the break, it all started when RB was no longer king of the road
so why stop the wave of surprise now?

Yes, you are right maybe things might even completely change after the break. We don't know how Ferrari will return even if they don't look promising for now.    I would like to see them getting back in the game.

[rdbase]

Summer break. A long hiatus for Formula 1 racers. No one can do anything even test drives.
~snipped~

Mentioning about test drives, wasn't Daniel Ricciardo going to go up against Liam Lawson for Red Bull at their headquarters?

"There had been speculation that Lawson and Ricciardo are being evaluated in the 2024 VCARB 01 F1 car to determine who is a more suitable replacement for Sergio Perez in the second half of the 2024 season. This consideration comes in light of Perez's significant performance slump following the Chinese Grand Prix."
source: https://www.si.com/fannation/racing/f1briefings/news/f1-news-christian-horner-reveals-real-reason-behind-liam-lawson-and-daniel-ricciardo-test-01j43yvkb7j3

[famososMuertos]

::/rdbase/::Checo goes all the way... It's a novel and he is actually a driver in a privileged situation, I say this in the fact that he manages to maintain a position every season, but Checo continues.   Viva México, Carajo!!

In this idea '*seats,'to... it can finally be ruled out that the son of the legend Mick Schumacher will get a place in F1.(!?)

^{*It's still a long way off until 2025, but little is said about this...}

[emrecemsan]

It is rumoured that Aston Martin is ready to take big steps from now on.

- They are close to signing a deal with Adrian Newey.
- Verstappen is targeted to be signed in Stroll's place.
- They are going to start using Honda engine.

And more to come seemingly.    If all of these happen I just can't imagine Aston Martin's improvement. Lawrence Stroll is a rich guy so he had better be ready to spend some big amount of money to carry the team to top.

People are talking like "What happens to Lance Stroll then?". I think even his father isn't satisfied with his effort.    Bringing Verstappen would be a dream signing.

[rdbase]

It was a really disappointing ending for Russell. But it was all Mercedes' fault of course. They should have been more careful with the weight of the car before the race started.
Hamilton got his 2nd win after Great Britain which is really impressive. What do you think? Is he already regretting to sign for Ferrari now?  Mercedes is really ahead of Ferrari recently and I wonder how Ferrari will answer.

By the way now we have a 1-month summer break until Zandvoort. August 23-25 are the dates for the next GP. Verstappen can't win for 4 races and it is going to be his home GP up next. So I'm curious already...

Mercedes reveals that now having a Formula 1 car which is in a better window from the outset at recent races has contributed to Lewis Hamilton’s turnaround.
Something interesting to read since they won two races one at British GP and the other at the last race weekend.
"Andrew Shovlin, Mercedes engineer, believes them starting each grand prix with a better baseline set-up to build upon has been an aspect that has helped inspire Hamilton’s 2024 uptick.
He believes early on perhaps Lewis was finding the car more difficult to deal with telling media including Motorsport Week in Belgium."
source: https://www.motorsportweek.com/2024/08/05/mercedes-details-change-behind-hamiltons-f1-2024-turnaround

It is rumoured that Aston Martin is ready to take big steps from now on.

- They are close to signing a deal with Adrian Newey.
- Verstappen is targeted to be signed in Stroll's place.
- They are going to start using Honda engine.

And more to come seemingly. If all of these happen I just can't imagine Aston Martin's improvement. Lawrence Stroll is a rich guy so he had better be ready to spend some big amount of money to carry the team to top.

People are talking like "What happens to Lance Stroll then?". I think even his father isn't satisfied with his effort. Bringing Verstappen would be a dream signing.

Just read about Adrian Newey moving to the British F1 team from Red Bull's car designing department for next season.
But didn't see anything about Verstappen making a move.
With their drivers I tend not believe it until it actually happens.
Case in point all this talk about what they were planning to do with Perez.
Essentially nothing.

[danherbias07]

Adrian Newey's shift to a new team will definitely make a difference but I don't see any reports yet about Aston Martin signing him in, all are just speculations for now. Rumors.

Here is what I found about Adrian Newey.

Adrian Newey heading for Aston Martin?
Speculation has been rife over Newey’s future. If he does decide to return to Formula 1, which team would it be with? Ferrari started out as the most likely destination, but now Aston Martin has seemingly emerged as the favourite, with a report from respected Italian publication Autosprint claiming Newey is heading for Aston Martin as part of a deal worth $100 million.

https://www.planetf1.com/news/adrian-newey-to-aston-martin-possible-slip-pedro-de-la-rosa
Yeah, Aston Martin seems possible but I doubt Ferrari would just give it up.

“He’s someone you’re going to li…” At that point, de la Rosa noticed his mistake, then continued to Alonso: “You’d like him a lot!”

Ooh, a slip.

Does that mean the contract is already signed? Or they are just talking?
Anyway, I think a lot of eyes will be glued to Aston Martin right now, and if ever that Newey speculation materializes, I bet they will be one of the biggest in the upcoming races.
Let's just wait, it will only be weeks of patience before Newey cleans up his desk in Redbull. September is when they say he could sign his new contract.

[emrecemsan]

Yeah, Aston Martin seems possible but I doubt Ferrari would just give it up.

He is going to Aston Martin as it seems. $100m is an enormous deal and unless there is a problem breaking out, this signing should happen. It actually looks like Ferrari has just given up. Because Vasseur didn't want him. 


Tsunoda is such a hardworking driver. His statistics so far against his teammate Ricciardo has been impressive. Tsunoda is eyeing Perez's spot at Red Bull as well but he will have to wait for that longer.

Red Bull just doesn't give up and still keeps Perez for another year. Until when they will resist this? I assume they must lose constructors title first to change their mind and sack him immediately.


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