F1 Formula Sports Racing betting discussion thread

[rohang]

People are calling for championship points penalty on verstappen due to his reckless defensive tactivs.

Time penalty is certainly not enough if he continues such tactics. 

https://www.sportskeeda.com/f1/news-penalise-max-verstappen-deducting-f1-championship-points-actions-continue-contends-pundit

[stompix]

People are calling for championship points penalty on verstappen due to his reckless defensive tactivs.

People aka one guy!  

Meanwhile, McLaren is really embarrassing itself as a team, they first deny Norris the victory because points don't matter and it's more about the team and now they panic and do the opposite ordering the pilots to swap for what, 1 measly point? And I would have laughed till the end of the championship if they had messed the switch and allowed Max to pass Piastri too. Probably their best hope to erase more from the advantage is again in the inquiry, if there is one, at least that's what the commentators said.

One hour into qualifying, I feel tempted to take the two Ferraris for the top 3 finishing with each one serving as insurance for the other but lately, I've seen them working more like position engines, good/fail/good/fail, so probably again sitting this!


"When it rains, it pours"  

Qualifying for the SP has been moved to Sunday morning:
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article/qualifying-for-sao-paulo-grand-prix-postponed-until-sunday-due-to-weather.C2RqUGIY8A87xNYtOSxeg

So it will get pretty tricky, qualifying in the morning and racing in the evening, it will take a bit of a toll on the pilots and their nerves. I don't remember when was the last time this happened, but as I quit watching F1 a few years ago I might not be the best guy to keep track of events. The interesting thing I what happens if the rain keeps going, will they schedule it for Monday or next week as clearly abandoning the circuit is not an option?

[rdbase]

"When it rains, it pours"

Qualifying for the SP has been moved to Sunday morning:
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article/qualifying-for-sao-paulo-grand-prix-postponed-until-sunday-due-to-weather.C2RqUGIY8A87xNYtOSxeg

So it will get pretty tricky, qualifying in the morning and racing in the evening, it will take a bit of a toll on the pilots and their nerves. I don't remember when was the last time this happened, but as I quit watching F1 a few years ago I might not be the best guy to keep track of events. The interesting thing I what happens if the rain keeps going, will they schedule it for Monday or next week as clearly abandoning the circuit is not an option?

Due to the movement of the qualifying race today which is in around five and a half hours from now, they decided to have the race only an hour and a half right after. This will be hard on the drivers.
https://racingnews365.com/official-new-start-time-for-f1-brazilian-gp-qualifying

They were eluding to begin having these sprint races on the following Monday from what I was watching during last week's race. Which I don't see the point of doing this. Drivers want to only be there during the weekend and that is it.
This was the fifth race weekend to have this sprint format and there were six scheduled for this race calendar year.

[stompix]

A mess of a session, all bookies have their bets closed right now, you can't even bet on the titles let alone the race and a disaster for RB, for the first time you have Max and Perez one after the other but it's 12 and 13 place.
But for entertainment purposes, Colapinto crashes, Sainz crashes, then Stroll, Alonso, and Albon the track is dry in some sections but rain is expected again, so this will be purely tactical, probably also a messy race where keeping your car on the track and a good tactic with the stops will be more important than the car itself. Either way from the looks of it McLaren will get the lead so let's see how they will manage to screw this up!

[rdbase]

@stompix You had it right from the very start of this race: It was a mess! Actually this entire weekend was with most drivers to hit the barriers due to the very wet conditions.
Was watching some of the race and seen Hamilton, Colapinto, Albion, Stroll, Hulkenburg and Sainz all DNF in this one.
That is alot of drivers not finishing a race due to wreaking their cars into the wall.

Amazing that Verstappen made it from where he started to win this race which had to restart many times due to the weather and false starts.

[famososMuertos]

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Amazing that Verstappen made it from where he started to win this race which had to restart many times due to the weather and false starts

It must be clear that a series of factors came into play... in the very style of a script for Max to practically secure the title...

Apropos of this, the 4th title, 3.5 for those who see mathematical probabilities... BTW in another thread, there are already doubts about Max being the champion, I do not doubt the mathematical fact, and/or premise simple as "Yogi-isms": "It ain't over 'til it's over." , are very valid here... but this result determines the title with the name Max... the rest GP is only processed for the last name

[stompix]

@stompix You had it right from the very start of this race: It was a mess!

I was expecting a mess but I wasn't expecting this kind of, my take was on Lando pushing its car to the limits and going out a few times and Max recouping a lot of the difference so the points earned would again be way to low to count, not even in my dreams I would have expected a result that would bring the difference now to 62 points, Max is champion that's clear.
The problem I had with the result is the Ferraris, this complicated a bit my H2H bet, now there is only 13 points advantage for Ferrari vs RB, but to be honest, I think the RB victory was more of a fluke, and Max earning 13 more points than the Sainz and Leclerc is still not doable but I might just cash-out after next track if indeed worrying signs appear on the horizon.

[rdbase]

No race this weekend so there is this void for us F1 fans to try and fill with some other sports going on.
But atleast Verstappen can rest a bit from that amazing comeback from nearly bottom of the grid to win the Grand Prix in Brazil.
As the others have already mentioned he has basically solidified his win of the championship title with showing his pure dominance as an F1 driver.
Norris interview just showed his frustration at the end of it and he knows he has no chance now at regaining anyway ahead of Max now.

[stompix]

As the others have already mentioned he has basically solidified his win of the championship title with showing his pure dominance as an F1 driver.

I just looked at the bets, Max is 1.02 for the win, at this point it makes no sense to bet on any of the final results, no matter how disappointing McLaren was I don't see how RB could get back in the race for the title, not while they have only one pilot truly competing.

But what this race has proven is that we might need to change the schedule to have at least two races on wet, just as we have sprints we might need to have an artificial rain race, to see who can handle the conditions not the usual carousel around the track, if it's one thing that this race reminded me of it is how Schumacher was putting daylight between him and the rest whenever there was rainy weather on the tracks, so why not have some artificial weather also if people want entertainment this much?

[rdbase]

As the others have already mentioned he has basically solidified his win of the championship title with showing his pure dominance as an F1 driver.

I just looked at the bets, Max is 1.02 for the win, at this point it makes no sense to bet on any of the final results, no matter how disappointing McLaren was I don't see how RB could get back in the race for the title, not while they have only one pilot truly competing.

But what this race has proven is that we might need to change the schedule to have at least two races on wet, just as we have sprints we might need to have an artificial rain race, to see who can handle the conditions not the usual carousel around the track, if it's one thing that this race reminded me of it is how Schumacher was putting daylight between him and the rest whenever there was rainy weather on the tracks, so why not have some artificial weather also if people want entertainment this much?

There is still the Constructor championship so McLaren is still leading that according to the latest points leaderboard:
McLaren - 593 pts
Ferrari - 557 pts
Red Bull - 544 pts

But Ferrari can spoil the party as their drivers have been both putting in podium wins in the past few races and with three left to go can surpass a sleeping McLaren team.

[stompix]

Don't know how much Ferrari can gain, if we look at the raw stats they made 39 points in the last 3 races, they need 36 more so that would be doable on paper.
But what are the chances of McLaren really losing as bad for another 3 races as they have in their worst period this season?

Maybe I'm biased since I avoided a h2h bet between McLaren and Ferrari so now I don't want to see it happening but there must be a lot of starts aligning for Ferrari to gain that many points, McLaren to lose them, and who is going to win them? Alpine again?  My bet is on Las Vegas sealing the fate of this championship for both  driver and teams, kind of interesting since it will happen in Sin city. One more week to go!

[rdbase]

Yes I see what you are saying there @stompix
McLaren can't let it slip so badly in losing the final three races of the season.

Saw a bit of news in the F1 yesterday while we wait for the next race in Vegas.
Monaco has agreed to an extension of a 6-year deal with F1 to continue racing until 2031.
https://sportsmintmedia.com/formula-1-extends-monaco-grand-prix-agreement-through-2031

[rohang]

F1 Las vegas is next week and verstappen is surprisingly second favorite with 3.4 odds  I dont remember the last time i saw him at such odds to win

Lando norris is favorite at 3.3 odds but im kinda teased by the huge verstappen odds

[rdbase]

Viva Las Vegas Baby!
We have a race this week after a long wait and it is hot right now on the Sunset Strip for those who love F1!


practice: https://sportsbet.io/sports/event/formula-1/formula-1/las-vegas-grand-prix-2024-practice-1/las-vegas-grand-prix-2024-practice-1-673b297976021f0001c61433

qualification: https://sportsbet.io/sports/event/formula-1/formula-1/las-vegas-grand-prix-2024-qualification/las-vegas-grand-prix-2024-qualification-673b27c976021f00014c8c8b

race: https://sportsbet.io/sports/event/formula-1/formula-1/las-vegas-grand-prix-2024-race/las-vegas-grand-prix-2024-race-6727cc9bcc0e7a0001083483

[danherbias07]

Las Vegas! Yeah!

Inside F1 Las Vegas’ plans for a successful sequel — and no drain cover drama

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5933143/2024/11/20/vegas-f1-preview/

“I’m sure that we would be able to pull some ideas out of our hat, maybe pre-arrange some pretty exciting opportunities,” Renee Wilm, CEO of the Las Vegas Grand Prix, said of a potential coronation, noting the high-end hospitality options at the properties along the Strip. “There’s so many opportunities to highlight the drivers, and particularly if we actually do have the benefit of being able to get a champion.”

Last year was a very bad experience for the racers and even the locals in Las Vegas because of the bad events that happened. A very cold temperature at night, well it's the desert. Then, the water valve cover was loose and slammed on Carlos Sainz's car which also hit more cars in the process. It also cost Ferrari a lot of money since Sainz's car could not be saved anymore due to heavy damages.

Now, I do hope that it will be a smooth race in Vegas and that won't happen again.

[rdbase]

This Vegas race will be a night race of course due to the Vegas Strip being lit up so it's start time of the coverage will be at around 10pm est and the race an hour later so it will run into Sunday morning just after midnight in Nevada's timezone.

Here are the winner market so far before the first practice session begins in the next 40 minutes:

https://sportsbet.io/sports/event/formula-1/formula-1/las-vegas-grand-prix-2024-race/las-vegas-grand-prix-2024-race-673ee2b6cc0e7a00014e7414

free practice: https://sportsbet.io/sports/event/formula-1/formula-1/las-vegas-grand-prix-2024-practice-1/las-vegas-grand-prix-2024-practice-1-673fc98a76021f00012b58da

[stompix]

Two rounds up and Max has dropped from 3.3 to 5.5  , while Lewis is 8:1 from 25:1, yeah right!

This is again the same mess as in the last race I was talking about, bookies are throwing their odds around like headless chickens, funny how Hamilton is close to being twice as likely to win the qualifying than the race itself, but despite that somehow McLaren is still the last of the big for to win the race, they need to adjust those odds so fast agsint the money poured in that there are again some funny things happening. I'm waiting for the h2h between pilots after the qualifying, that's the only bet I might take but no way on the winner!

Oh, and one final rant, screw the cash-out option, Max is 1.02 for the championship but I would be losing close to 8% of the winnings by cashing out now!

[rohang]

Apparently red bull is 'stuck' with wrong rear wing for las vegas GP

Red Bull says it is going to have to battle on with what it has got because it has no other options available

RB was 7km/hr slower then mercedes/mclaren cars

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/red-bull-stuck-with-wrong-rear-wing-for-las-vegas-gp/10675219/

[rdbase]

Mercedes have done it in Las Vegas with Russell taking pole position at a late night tomorrow.
The surprise was Gasly taking the secind spot on the grid.

When I tuned in to watch this qualifying Franco crashed his Williams.

[NeuroticFish]

When I tuned in to watch this qualifying Franco crashed his Williams.

Ferrari looks strong. I heard they've changed the floor specifically for Las Vegas conditions.
The Mercs also look good, Lewis has made a mistake, else he would be much better placed.
McLaren didn't really shine, but it was not bad either. However, it looks like Max will have no big issues to secure championship.

Checo is disappointing again, I start feeling it's his last year as F1 driver.
And yes, Gasly came with a cool surprise, although I don't expect from him get more than 1, maybe 2 points in the actual race.

Haas may also worth a second look, especially since also Ferrari did so good.


Although I understand the race is very late in US, I would have loved it to be 1h later.