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March 14, 2021, 04:06:08 PM
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Hello all,

We have just launched https://swappa.io, an accountless and anonymous cryptocurrency exchange. An official ANN thread will be unveiled in the near future.

We are looking for some direction on how to find users that would benefit from our website. Millions in btc and other altcoins are bought and sold every day. How can even a minuscule amount of the world's daily trading get funneled through swappa.io? Any ideas and/or advice are greatly appreciated. Thank you for your time.
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March 14, 2021, 04:38:26 PM
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Did you just copied the whole terms of ChangeNow.io?

Or its another website of the owner of changenow? which has lots of scam accusation and accused of illegally holding of 100 BCH (11 bitcoins).

Archive swappa terms: https://archive.is/ZphMA
Archive changenow terms: https://archive.is/2YtGE
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March 14, 2021, 04:53:30 PM
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It's quite awkward that you exchange is a clone of very many other exchanges. Why should users trust an exchange that's just a clone?

Other look like exchanges;
- https://kokaswap.com
- https://nosacapital.exchange
- https://duaexchange.com
- https://www.cryptopayway.com
- https://smartermoney.app
- https://www.moneyexchangesite.com
- https://exchange.bitcoincryptoswap.com
- https://royalarz.com
- http://dex.passioncrypto.com
- https://www.trocabit.com.br
- https://changenow.ar
- http://www.coinscan.icu
- https://change-crypto.com
- http://winnerqi.com
- https://mebitcoins.com
- http://thebitcoindomain.com
- https://thecryptopayments.com
- https://nextrade.uk
- https://changespace.io
- https://www.expresswap.com
- https://cryptochain.center
- http://coinpal.com
- https://suexchange.eu
- https://exchange.wallstreetdefi.org/
- https://xgenesis.site

You claim the exchange is anonymous, but users will still be requested to submit their KYC documents. Doesn't seem an anonymous move to me.

https://swappa.io/terms-of-use/
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3. AML/KYC Procedure

3.1. The Users don’t need to create accounts: you don’t need to register or log in to use the Website.
However, ChangeNOW uses an automated risk management system to check all the transactions made by the Users.

3.2. By accepting these Terms you agree to pass through the AML/KYC procedure, which may be applied to you or may be requested by ChangeNOW at any time.

3.3. During the AML/KYC procedure, ChangeNOW reserves the right to request additional information and documents, including but not limited to scan of your ID document valid in your country and additional information of the funds’ origin.

3.4. In limited cases (such as to verify your identity in order to pass the AML/KYC procedure), we reserve the right to freeze your exchange transaction for any period of time necessary to complete the investigation and AML/KYC procedure.

3.5. If you deny to pass through the AML/KYC procedure or don’t provide ChangeNOW with the requested documents and information, ChangeNOW has the right to refuse to execute your transactions (current and future).

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March 14, 2021, 05:07:55 PM
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Did you just copied the terms of ChangeNow.io?

Or its another website of the owner of changenow? which has open scam accusation that is accused of illegally holding of 100 BCH (11 bitcoins).

Archive swappa terms: https://archive.is/ZphMA
Archive changenow terms: https://archive.is/2YtGE


We are not the owners of ChangeNOW. Our exchange is run through them, though, so our terms and conditions are the same. I have edited the terms and conditions with our name instead of theirs. We are an intermediary, but separate entities.

I had no idea they have an open scam accusation against them.
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March 14, 2021, 05:20:28 PM
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It's quite awkward that you exchange is a clone of very many other exchanges. Why should users trust an exchange that's just a clone?

Other look like exchanges;
- https://kokaswap.com
- https://nosacapital.exchange
- https://duaexchange.com
- https://www.cryptopayway.com
- https://smartermoney.app
- https://www.moneyexchangesite.com
- https://exchange.bitcoincryptoswap.com
- https://royalarz.com
- http://dex.passioncrypto.com
- https://www.trocabit.com.br
- https://changenow.ar
- http://www.coinscan.icu
- https://change-crypto.com
- http://winnerqi.com
- https://mebitcoins.com
- http://thebitcoindomain.com
- https://thecryptopayments.com
- https://nextrade.uk
- https://changespace.io
- https://www.expresswap.com
- https://cryptochain.center
- http://coinpal.com
- https://suexchange.eu
- https://exchange.wallstreetdefi.org/
- https://xgenesis.site

You claim the exchange is anonymous, but users will still be requested to submit their KYC documents. Doesn't seem an anonymous move to me.

https://swappa.io/terms-of-use/
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3. AML/KYC Procedure

3.1. The Users don’t need to create accounts: you don’t need to register or log in to use the Website.
However, ChangeNOW uses an automated risk management system to check all the transactions made by the Users.

3.2. By accepting these Terms you agree to pass through the AML/KYC procedure, which may be applied to you or may be requested by ChangeNOW at any time.

3.3. During the AML/KYC procedure, ChangeNOW reserves the right to request additional information and documents, including but not limited to scan of your ID document valid in your country and additional information of the funds’ origin.

3.4. In limited cases (such as to verify your identity in order to pass the AML/KYC procedure), we reserve the right to freeze your exchange transaction for any period of time necessary to complete the investigation and AML/KYC procedure.

3.5. If you deny to pass through the AML/KYC procedure or don’t provide ChangeNOW with the requested documents and information, ChangeNOW has the right to refuse to execute your transactions (current and future).

I wouldn't call it awkward. ChangeNOW is how Swappa.io and every single other exchange in that list operates. ChangeNOW offers an affiliate package with a turn-key operation that allows anyone to operate an exchange. I cannot speak for any of those websites, but I know our intentions and I know they are not malicious. That is why we can be trusted.

In regards to your KYC / AML findings in our terms, that clause states the right is reserved. That does not mean documents WILL be requested. It means we can, only if necessary. If someone starts exchanging $40,000 weekly, for example, that can possibly be a red flag, and there is no choice but to investigate these transactions. FinCEN is no joke. We could go to prison for money laundering if we turned a blind eye to a situation like that.

If users are transacting smaller amounts without illegal intentions, (such as laundering money, some sort of tax evasion, etc) then no one has anything to worry about. If user's exchanges comply with FinCEN, no KYC / AML documents will be requested.

If this can be better stated in the terms, please let me know and I will change them. Thank you.
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March 14, 2021, 05:26:46 PM
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It's quite awkward that you exchange is a clone of very many other exchanges. Why should users trust an exchange that's just a clone?

Other look like exchanges;
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Welp, that's really a lot of them. I didn't search further when I saw their terms. And that's an obvious busted.


But wait, if you think you were just a victim of buying this template on cheap price of x marketplace. I suggest you to change everything on your website, promote your site, or even have a free vouch on this community. But that won't change the fact that you just copied the whole terms, I might say even the privacy policy of a scam website. And probably do things with zero effort to scam I mean to make such service.
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March 14, 2021, 06:29:13 PM
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It's quite awkward that you exchange is a clone of very many other exchanges. Why should users trust an exchange that's just a clone?

Other look like exchanges;
[...]
Welp, that's really a lot of them. I didn't search further when I saw their terms. And that's an obvious busted.


But wait, if you think you were just a victim of buying this template on cheap price of x marketplace. I suggest you to change everything on your website, promote your site, or even have a free vouch on this community. But that won't change the fact that you just copied the whole terms, I might say even the privacy policy of a scam website. And probably do things with zero effort to scam I mean to make such service.

I don't think I am a victim. The template is free. The terms were copied because that's how the terms are in the free template they provide. I didn't copy them personally. That is how they are provided. There is nothing to bust to begin with. We are not trying to hide anything. You can see at the bottom of our site that we are powered through ChangeNOW.

This is also why we are partaking in a soft launch. There are things to iron out. I have used ChangeNOW in the past to convert coins and it worked for me. So, logically, if they have worked for me before, I will use their services again. Swappa is a service built through ChangeNOW.

"Changing everything on your website, promote your site, or even have a free vouch on this community."

This is why I created this thread. We are looking at what avenues to venture into on how to promote. What ideas come to your mind? Can you elaborate on what you mean by having a free vouch on this community? What should be changed on the website?

As stated in prior posts, we have no malicious intentions with Swappa. Please let me know how else I can show you that.
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March 14, 2021, 09:49:50 PM
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So In other words you admit that you are not an anonymous cryptocurrency exchange as stated in the OP?
Because if you are, then there should be 100% guarantee that no one will be asked KYC documents. There is a no-in-between. Either you are an anonymous exchange or not.

Even Binance allows users to transact 2 BTC per day minus KYC, but I haven't seen them claim anywhere that they are an anonymous exchange.

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March 15, 2021, 09:18:36 AM
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I had no idea they have an open scam accusation against them.
I strongly believe that it's more than just a single accusation [I'm not even counting the accusations in other places].

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I know our intentions and I know they are not malicious. That is why we can be trusted.
How can you be sure about their real intentions when you're an intermediary?
- You might want to take the time and read some of the accusations against them, then come back to this thread and comment if you still believe that they could be trusted.

If users are transacting smaller amounts without illegal intentions, (such as laundering money, some sort of tax evasion, etc) then no one has anything to worry about.
How can you identify/classify someone else's intentions based only on their transactions [assuming you're dealing with small TXs only]?

How can even a minuscule amount of the world's daily trading get funneled through swappa.io?
ChangeNOW offers an affiliate package with a turn-key operation that allows anyone to operate an exchange.
Perhaps there might be a slight chance if you ditch ChangeNOW [and their sister's websites] and restart with an alternative platform [reputable one] that offers a similar affiliate package.

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March 16, 2021, 07:44:01 AM
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Anonymous. How easily misused this term is now. If your service can [not won't] ask for:
- personal information to identify the person
- connecting information to identify location and device...

you can't claim to be anonymous.

If your site wishes to comply with FinCEN, then it's very difficult to see how you can provide anonymous accounts, you can't pick and choose, or can you? FinCEN really really doesn't like FIs providing anon accounts.l

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March 24, 2021, 02:33:11 AM
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I had no idea they have an open scam accusation against them.
I strongly believe that it's more than just a single accusation [I'm not even counting the accusations in other places].

~Snipped~
I know our intentions and I know they are not malicious. That is why we can be trusted.
How can you be sure about their real intentions when you're an intermediary?
- You might want to take the time and read some of the accusations against them, then come back to this thread and comment if you still believe that they could be trusted.

If users are transacting smaller amounts without illegal intentions, (such as laundering money, some sort of tax evasion, etc) then no one has anything to worry about.
How can you identify/classify someone else's intentions based only on their transactions [assuming you're dealing with small TXs only]?

How can even a minuscule amount of the world's daily trading get funneled through swappa.io?
ChangeNOW offers an affiliate package with a turn-key operation that allows anyone to operate an exchange.
Perhaps there might be a slight chance if you ditch ChangeNOW [and their sister's websites] and restart with an alternative platform [reputable one] that offers a similar affiliate package.

In regards to the accusation, it is old and has since been closed. It is not open. You might want to take a look at how gigantic ChangeNOW is and realize they would not be around if they are ripping people off. They have a 4.5 star rating on TrustPilot with over 2,600 reviews.

I am talking about my intentions, not ChangeNOW's in that specific instant.

I do not have to identify/classify someone else's intentions based only on their transactions. That is up to ChangeNOW.

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So In other words you admit that you are not an anonymous cryptocurrency exchange as stated in the OP?
Because if you are, then there should be 100% guarantee that no one will be asked KYC documents. There is a no-in-between. Either you are an anonymous exchange or not.

Even Binance allows users to transact 2 BTC per day minus KYC, but I haven't seen them claim anywhere that they are an anonymous exchange.

Binance allows users to transact 2 BTC per day per your word, but you need an account in the first place. Of course they don't claim anywhere that they are anonymous. You do not need an account on Swappa, but you do on Binance. Do you see the difference?

Anonymous. How easily misused this term is now. If your service can [not won't] ask for:
- personal information to identify the person
- connecting information to identify location and device...

you can't claim to be anonymous.

If your site wishes to comply with FinCEN, then it's very difficult to see how you can provide anonymous accounts, you can't pick and choose, or can you? FinCEN really really doesn't like FIs providing anon accounts.l

I do not have to pick and choose anything, as stated above. All of those aspects are taken care of through ChangeNOW.

It's pretty simple to see how we provide anonymous transactions. You do not need to create an account. There is no email for signup, no phone number for verification, no 2FA with Authy...Nothing. You hit the landing page of our site, deposit whatever coin you are looking to exchange, and the coin you want to exchange for pops into your destination address.

It's quite awkward that you exchange is a clone of very many other exchanges. Why should users trust an exchange that's just a clone?

Other look like exchanges;
[...]
Welp, that's really a lot of them. I didn't search further when I saw their terms. And that's an obvious busted.


But wait, if you think you were just a victim of buying this template on cheap price of x marketplace. I suggest you to change everything on your website, promote your site, or even have a free vouch on this community. But that won't change the fact that you just copied the whole terms, I might say even the privacy policy of a scam website. And probably do things with zero effort to scam I mean to make such service.

There is nothing to bust. No one is trying to hide anything.
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March 24, 2021, 07:07:05 AM
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In regards to the accusation, it is old and has since been closed.
That was just an example and there are plenty more on various platforms [AFAIK, all of their sister platforms have similar behavior and do selective scams from time to time] and if you still "really" trust them after reading those cases, then that says a lot about you.

You might want to take a look at how gigantic ChangeNOW is and realize they would not be around if they are ripping people off.
I have to respectfully disagree with you. I could easily name 5 other platforms [not referring to their sister websites] that are still around while continuing with scamming their users.

They have a 4.5 star rating on TrustPilot with over 2,600 reviews.
Out of those 2,600+ reviews, how many of those are verified reviews? I have no doubt most of those are either fake or manipulated/targetted reviews.

I am talking about my intentions, not ChangeNOW's in that specific instant.
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I know our intentions and I know they are not malicious. That is why we can be trusted.
The part I highlighted in red suggests otherwise.

I do not have to identify/classify someone else's intentions based only on their transactions. That is up to ChangeNOW.
When a problem [e.g. scam incident] arises after making an exchange through "your platform", whose fault would it be?
- I hope you're not going to "just" blame them.

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March 24, 2021, 10:37:14 AM
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I do not have to pick and choose anything, as stated above. All of those aspects are taken care of through ChangeNOW.

It's pretty simple to see how we provide anonymous transactions. You do not need to create an account. There is no email for signup, no phone number for verification, no 2FA with Authy...Nothing. You hit the landing page of our site, deposit whatever coin you are looking to exchange, and the coin you want to exchange for pops into your destination address.


I'm still not sure you understand the service you're providing though. Yes, you don't pick and choose but ChangeNOW does. And if they require, they can ask for identification, which your users will be forced to provide, if flagged for such. So as long as that possibility exists, you cannot say that you provide anonymous transactions.

The lack of need for account creation doesn't automatically grant anonymity...

All the same, good luck. Just maybe need to see how your market your service.

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March 28, 2021, 08:54:19 PM
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Binance allows users to transact 2 BTC per day per your word, but you need an account in the first place. Of course they don't claim anywhere that they are anonymous. You do not need an account on Swappa, but you do on Binance. Do you see the difference?
You are no different from Binance, at least they don't falsely claim to be anonymous like you do. When you request for KYC. You are definitely going to need someone's names, location, ID, selfie videos, pictures etc
You people are just misusing the anonymous word to falsely advertise your exchange.

You want to know an anonymous exchange? Check out Bisq.

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