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Author Topic: ChangeNow.io (Evercode Lab) - Scam. Illegally holding of 100 BCH (11 bitcoins).  (Read 12549 times)
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They returned my coins on 2018-10-13(after 3 months of illegal holding and 2.5 months of absolute ignore for all my emails).

But I ask all people who have left a negative feedback never to delete it.



The fact that they returned my coins does not mean that they are not scammers. You must understand that they would never have returned my coins if I hadn’t organized this 3 month hype. Therefore, it is not their merit. This is exclusively my work (and of course the people who supported me here). And if you think the right thing to do with the feedback, then you can make a positive feedback to me, but in no case do not delete their existing negative feedback. Otherwise, this will not be fairness.

If you just delete your feedback, it will be a 100% signal that everyone can steal someone's money, then wait 3 months for everything to calm down, and then in case of failure simply return it and continue the business. It is not right.



In recent weeks, nothing new has been happened for ChangeNOW. Everything was absolutely the same as in recent months. My helpers distributed links to my topics and informed people about the situation.

The only thing that was added was that in recent weeks, Changelly, Atomic Wallet and Guarda began to be together with the ChangeNOW in most of messages. Also, many of you have seen the red banner dedicated to Changelly.

I am sure that this St. Petersburg group analyzed the situation and was frightened that if the shadow falls on all their services, they will lose much more than 100 BCH. And only because of this fear, they decided to return the money to me and change KYC-Refund policy (perhaps temporarily... until "Europol's" directions). I am sure of it so much that I can bet 100 BCH.
So do not be idiots and do not think that they have corrected and decided to be honest. They are just pathetic cowards who were afraid of losing more than they stole from me.


My conclusion: All of these services are scammers and I believe that such people have no place in the crypto world, they disgrace it and lower the trust of cryptocurrency. Do not work with them or support them.


I am very grateful to all the people who were in my topics. And I will send 0.01 BTC to every person who left at least 2 posts in my threads.



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Briefly:
Changelly, Atomic Wallet, ChangeNOW, Guarda are from the same city(St. Petersburg) and from the same group of people and these services protect each other

ChangeNOW is selective scammers which have as minimum 2 cases

And they cannot be anyone but scammers simply because of this:
Earlier, you explained the impossibility of returning the money without documents to me because you are afraid that my money was stolen and you are afraid that you may have problems with Europol.

But as soon as it became known, you immediately disappeared from the forum:
At the same time, I was a customer of Changelly[actually parent of ChangeNOW, as it became known later] and have whitelisted account there and exchanged hundreds of bitcoins in recent months without any kind of KYC. (it's funny but they gave me whitelisted account after ChangeNOW's scam!) The fact is that I have 5-year-old crystal clear coins, so it never aroused suspicion from anyone.

What is the reason to refuse me in refund? After all, you can no longer lie about the fear of Europol. Then why do you keep my money for 3 months?
From this it follows that they do not care about the purity of coins. They are only looking for an excuse for appropriating someone's coins and they are engaged in the hunt for big deposits with the help of KYC story.

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What happened: Illegal exchanger from Russia(the activities of such services are not legal in Russia) hold my funds and do all to delay the situation. They demand documents, selfie, videoverification. But I am not obliged to disclose information about myself to a group of persons who conduct illegal activities in its country. It's just dangerous... And all this happens despite the fact that they have always advertised themselves as an anonymous service: Google, their own topic
Scammers Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1307188 and https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2286031
Reference Link: https://changenow.io/
Amount Scammed: 100 BCH / 11 BTC / $70 000
Payment Method: BCH
Proof of Payment: Dear friends I don't want to publish my wallet address. However, fraudsters do not deny the problem(you can see this in next posts). But in any case, I can show my wallet to any moderator.
PM/Chat Logs: Again, fraudsters do not deny the problem. Of course I have a long long dialogue through email, but it's too big.
Additional Notes: I advise you to not deal with this user until this dispute is resolved.

Quick FAQ
Q: Can not you pass video verification because the selfie was doing another person?
A: If this were so, do you really think that I would not have the money to pay that person for the video call?

Q: So what is the problem?
A: The problem is that I do not follow the demands of suspicious persons from Russia who conduct activities there without any supervision by the state, and who run away from their office and change founders. I need that these people to just return my crystal clean 5-year old coins. I do not need their exchange and accordingly I do not want to go with them for any cooperation.

Q: Why 100 BCH?
A: It was only a first small part and I confused them with Changelly

Q: Why so much hate?
A: On July 6, they received a photo of the passport and a selfie. Then they told everyone that they were investigating. On July 19, I told them that I knew who they are and where they are and only on that day they suddenly decided to stop their investigation and began to ask for video verification (just check this topic). Thus I'm absolutely sure they are just pathetic scammers who wanted to steal a large sum of money.



INVESTIGATION TOPIC WITH THE INFO ABOUT SCAMMERS:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4647308.0 (ONLY FOR REGISTERED BITCOINTALK USERS)


https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/8wsgir/changenowio_scam_fraudsters_have_stolen_100_bch/ (for others)



UPDATE 2018-07-15

They still have not returned my funds. I remind you I sent all the photos they needed 9 days ago. They say that they are conducting an investigation. They themselves say that they do not know how long it will take. In other words, they say:
"We took your funds, and we will not return it to you until we want."

But what kind of investigation can be conducted by these anonyms for more than 9 days? Blockchain shows that I own funds for 5 years. The presence of many coins on my wallets indicates that private keys were not stolen. What else can they investigate? There is no doubt that they are just trying to find a way to leave this funds to themselves. I'm sure they just wait until we all shut up and everyone will forget about it.



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UPDATE 2018-07-18

They still have not returned my funds. I remind you I sent all the photos they needed 12 days ago. They say that they are conducting an investigation... in the time when blockchain shows that I own funds for 5 years. The presence of many coins on my wallets indicates that private keys were not stolen.


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UPDATE OF THE POST  2018-07-29


More than two weeks ago I opened ChangeNOW.io and tried to exchange 100 BCH for 11 bitcoins.
Why did I come to this site with such a huge amount? I confused them with Changelly, which I once worked with. And this was only part of the total amount of exchange.
After I sent BCH, the exchange was suspended and I was asked for a image of the passport and an explanation of the origin of the funds. I wrote my indignation to them. But when a man with a Russian name Sergey answered me, I tensed. If this is a service from Russia, then why should it establish the identity of a person with such a large volume of coins? What purpose do they have in the time when the transaction itself could not cause any suspicion (other than volume)? This is not for them to be formally protected from regulators, since in Russia it is not regulated by anyone and they work illegally. I decided that it was just a formality. I took an image with someone's passport from google-images and sent them. And also I explained the origin of the funds, although there is nothing to explain, everything is already visible:

1. There is only one incoming transaction(a few months ago) and one outgoing transaction(to ChangeNow.io) on the wallet.
2. The origin of funds on this wallet is my another wallet. This wallet was created 5 years ago(before bitcoin hardfork) and it replenished only once(5 years ago).
3. The presence of many coins on my wallets indicates that private keys were not stolen.


But after that they asked to send selfie with a passport. There was no way out and I had to make a real selfie with a real passport.
They accused me that I deceived them and now they will conduct an investigation. That was 2 weeks ago. All the days during these weeks they said that they are investigating this situation and can not say about the completion time
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4619534.msg42029915#msg42029915
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4619534.msg42090568#msg42090568
The same thing was said to me when communicating by mail within 2 weeks. Do you understand cynicism? Absolutely anonymous people, without a company, addresses, telephone, working illegally, appropriated my funds and in fact declare that they will return it only when they themselves want it.

They said it until 2018-07-20. This is explained by the fact that on Thursday I told them that I found all the information about them: their names, phone numbers, office address. I said that the information about them will be published and then forwarded to the competent bodies of St. Petersburg, as they, having organized de facto anonymous exchange service of anonymous currencies (only I probably did not have the luck with my volume) brazenly violates the laws of the Russian Federation. After that they immediately wanted to communicate with me on video communication. And now they are blackmailing: "that's when you call us, then we will decide about your funds."

But I do not like this approach. Persons who conduct completely illegal entrepreneurial activities in Russia, trying to steal funds from those who feed them, have no right to demand anything to me. I will not please them. I do not worry about my funds, I'll return it in any case, it's just that I will not leave anything from their "business" and from their personal reputation.

Please understand me correctly. I do not gloat simply because they work illegally in Russia. It's just a convenient hook. But I would never used it if they did not try to steal my funds.
You, having at least six months from registering on the forum, think: what 2 weeks investigation can be carried out by a group of people doing their business illegally in the time when the blockchain shows that I own the funds for 5 years, and the presence of many coins on my wallets says that private keys were not stolen. What investigation? It's clear even for a fool, that this is a lie and an attempt to delay the time to the maximum in the hope that the person will fall behind and the topic will be forgotten.

I repeat, I have absolutely nothing against services that work in the shadow of the state. Not all states have perfect legislation. But if you work illegally and yet have no honor, trying to brazenly steal, then do not think that you will get away with it.



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UPDATE 2018-08-13

They fled their office a week ago.
St. Petersburg, Ligovsky prospect, 50, building 13, office 28

And when someone calls company's phone number the CEO of Evercode Lab( Evercode Lab is developer of ChangeNOW) refuses to give a new address.
https://evercodelab.com/

They call yourself a legitimate business. Why do they run away from the office and keep the new address a secret? What are they afraid of? After all, they have everything under the law and Russian police will protect them. So what is the problem?



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UPDATE 2018-08-21

What is most feared by the cowardly Russian scammers? EXACTLY! - Russian police and FSB!

Do you think that the change of office and the absolute hiding of the new address is something extra? Oh... On August 15 these pathetic cowards changed all the founders of EVERCODE LAB ltd. (OOO ЭBEPКOД ЛAБ; the developer of ChangeNOW)




MORE INFO in the investigation topic: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4647308 (ONLY FOR REGISTERED BITCOINTALK USERS)


https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/8wsgir/changenowio_scam_fraudsters_have_stolen_100_bch/ (for others)



You'll help make the crypto world cleaner if you spread this information
This should be a lesson for all dishonest people and services

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July 07, 2018, 06:41:45 PM
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First, The moment you used their site/service, you are agreeing to their terms of service. I'm guessing you didn't bother reading it.

By accessing the website, you agree to be bound by our Terms, all applicable laws and regulations, and you agree that you are responsible for compliance with—and that you are compliant with—applicable law. If you do not agree with any of our Terms, you are prohibited from using or accessing the Website; your only recourse is to stop using the Website. Any use of the Website is your deemed acceptance of our Terms as they may be modified and amended from time to time. The materials contained in the Website are protected by applicable copyright and trademark laws and treaties. You should check back often in case our Terms undergo changes.

Second, Using someone else's indentity is under any circumstances prohibited and punishable by law.

Third, They are an exchange and there's no way you can run such without complying to legal regulations; there'll be KYC/AML policies

ChangeNOW uses an automated risk management system to check all transactions. Each case will be considered individually. According to European AML directives, KYC regulations and platform requirements, we will ask you to provide you a scan of your ID document valid in your country and additional information of the funds origin.

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I own a certain amount of cryptocurrency and I buy new currencies very rarely.

I am not a trader and therefore I have not registered on real exchanges. ~Anonymous instant exchangers were enough for me.

And a few days ago I went to ChangeNow.io and sent them 100 BCH. They had to send me 11 bitcoins. (You may think it is crazy.... Maybe yes.)

But time passes and I see a message that my transaction seems suspicious and they demand to provide documents and information about funds origin.

I began to write to them that I was not going to send them anything and demanded that they simply return 100 BCH back. They refused me and continued to demand documents and information about the origin of the funds.

I got tired of all this and took the first picture from google.images (with someone's passport). Why did I do this? Because I did not take this bucket shop seriously. This is not a company - they have no address, no phone, they do not even have a real company name. I'm sure it's just a few people working from home. I did not want to say anything about myself, because I did not break anything. But I still explained about the purity of my BCH and it was perfectly visible from the very beginning:
1. There is only one incoming transaction(a few months ago) and one outgoing transaction(to ChangeNow.io) on the wallet.
2. The origin of funds on this wallet is another my wallet (this wallet was created 5 years ago(before bitcoin hardfork) and it was replenished only once(5 years ago))

That is, I have owned this funds for 5 years. This funds are absolutely clean. They agreed with this but then they demanded to make a selfie with my passport and piece of paper (ChangeNow + Date). I began to argue with them, demanding to return BCH back, because they are clean and they themselves know it.

As a result, I had no choice but to make a photo of real passport and make a selfie with a passport and a piece of paper. I sent it to them and said that the previous photo was sent accidentally due to ignorance and misunderstanding of the seriousness of the situation.

Now they say that due to the fact that I deceived them they will now check my photos with regulating authorities.

Do you understand all this madness? They know perfectly well that I am the owner of absolutely clean BCH and they do not return them back. I do not demand them to make an exchange. I just demand to return this BCH back to the legal wallet.

This is not their property. Why do they hold them? I gave them everything and they now tell me that they will check my documents through regulating authorities (indefinitely - no time limits, no guarantees, nothing).

Who are they to hold my property? They are thieves. And I repeat, this is not a bank, and it's not a real exchange like Binance or CoinBase, which is responsible for his work and controlled by the state. These guys - are nobody and nobody knows who are they and it is absolutely unclear for what purpose they find out the identity of the owner of such a large amount of cryptocurrency.

I will provide proof of this to any moderator (if necessary)
First of all I never used these kind of anonymous exchanges,but if you think your BCH were clean and obtained not from any illegal activity then you just go into the exchanges.Now you don't have any other option just wait for them to give procedure to withdraw your funds.I don't find any terms and conditions on the site did you agreed anything before?
Even it looks they don't have any representatives on BCT,if they available then you may create the thread in scam accusations.Moderators don't have any business with your problem this is just a forum not the crypto police station.

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Second, Using someone else's indentity is under any circumstances prohibited and punishable by law.
I did not do anything like that. I did not even mention any name or surname. I just sent a picture from google images to them(to suspicious bucket shop). And I did it by accident. I told them about it. It happened by itself. It happens - I was nervous.

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Third, They are an exchange and there's no way you can run such without complying to legal regulations; there'll be KYC/AML policies
But I'm sure it's not. They are few dishonest people who make money from home.
Where is the confirmation that they are exchanger company? Where is their license, where are they physically located? They are just scammers, who are covered by some laws. And thanks to this, they apparently hope to appropriate this money to themselves (70 thousand dollars - a successful hunt, is not it?).
Or maybe you think that if they seized this money they will give it ... I do not know .... to the police? Really? Smiley They just leave them to themselves and you perfectly know it.


I don't find any terms and conditions on the site did you agreed anything before?
At the very bottom of the left. But it's interesting that at the start of the exchange the site does not offer to agree with the user agreement.

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Second, Using someone else's indentity is under any circumstances prohibited and punishable by law.
I did not do anything like that. I did not even mention any name or surname. I just sent a picture from google images to them(to suspicious bucket shop). And I did it by accident. I told them about it. It happened by itself. It happens - I was nervous.
You did, by using someone else's passport photo (passports include personal details) and it's not by accident because it was intentional (you didn't take it seriously, right? that's why you took a photo from google images)

But I'm sure it's not. They are few dishonest people who make money from home.
Where is the confirmation that they are exchanger company? Where is their license, where are they physically located? They are just scammers, who are covered by some laws.
And thanks to this, they apparently hope to appropriate this money to themselves (70 thousand dollars - a successful hunt, is not it?).
Or maybe you think that if they seized this money they will give it ... I do not know .... to the police? Really? Smiley They just leave them to themselves and you perfectly know it.
After reading the part (which I bolded) ,  I wonder why you still used the site if you consider all of that.
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Second, Using someone else's indentity is under any circumstances prohibited and punishable by law.
I did not do anything like that. I did not even mention any name or surname. I just sent a picture from google images to them(to suspicious bucket shop). And I did it by accident. I told them about it. It happened by itself. It happens - I was nervous.

With this scenario you did fucked up yourself even more. Why not sent your documents in the very first place when they do ask to do such thing? since you would still end up on deciding on giving up your identity.
We dont know if they are just making an alibi but they do have the right to do such step.You deceive them at first therefore they would need to do verification on the next submission and hence sending out 100 BCH wont really be that small amount on the current value it is 78k usd and any exchange would definitely ask KYC process the thing here why would use non so popular exchange?

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The irony is the site is advertising itself as "anonymous and limitless" cryptocurrency exchange. It means the site doesn't need your personal info and you can exchange as much as you want.
Sending all your coins at once was crazy honestly, I personally will never do it even with a reputable exchange.

You should offer them to send a notarized paper as a proof of the legitimacy of your ID

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July 08, 2018, 05:20:08 PM
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The irony is the site is advertising itself as "anonymous and limitless" cryptocurrency exchange. It means the site doesn't need your personal info and you can exchange as much as you want.
Sending all your coins at once was crazy honestly, I personally will never do it even with a reputable exchange.

You should offer them to send a notarized paper as a proof of the legitimacy of your ID
Gotta say the same thing where anonymous word wont fitted out on a site that do ask KYC procedures and that was really a crazy thing to do sending out on bulks of BCH into an unknown exchange
without expecting that he would need up to follow procedures.You wont really have any choice but to deal with it on the end because you do know your coins is at risk if you wont follow.
Lucky for you if you can still able to retrieve and this isn't included into those shady exchangers out there.

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You did, by using someone else's passport photo....

With this scenario you did fucked up yourself even more. Why not sent your documents in the very first place when they do ask to do such thing? since you would still end up on deciding on giving up your identity.

I do not think this site has the right to ask anything from me(I did not violate anything and have absolutely clean old funds, which is easy to track in blockchain). I owned these bitcoins before they even heard such a word. And now the unknown person is asking me some questions. Why they do not say who they are. They do not give their addresses, their names. Why does this anonymous site ask for my personal information? They can be criminals (at the time when I own a lot of money).



After reading the part (which I bolded) ,  I wonder why you still used the site if you consider all of that.
Because I was sure that my transaction can not cause any suspicion.


the current value it is 78k usd and any exchange would definitely ask KYC process the thing here why would use non so popular exchange?
I changed much larger amounts in such exchangers. But only this site has a problem. But in any case I will be more careful since now.


You all say about the fact that I have to go through verification and tell about myself. Why does not anyone suspect this site? Why is this site absolutely anonymous? Nobody knows where they are. How can you just talk about yourself to some unknown people? Yes, yes, I "agreed" with the user agreement but criminals write it too.




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July 09, 2018, 02:31:53 AM
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Ironically, they advertise themselves as "anonymous and limitless". Literally the only reason why anyone would use them is because of the anonymity and the unlimited exchanges that they provide, and both of them are breached here.

Their company isn't even licensed by the looks of it, and no physical address is provided. Yet they're here trying to preach about KYC to you - absurd.

The fact of the matter is that they shouldn't even have asked you for all of these verification pieces because they advertise themselves as anonymous, especially if you were perfectly fine with getting BCH that you sent, back. As if that wasn't enough, if a customer provides all of the docs that a business requires, release their funds! You don't just go around in circles and do something unnecessary, when real ID has been given.

If you have KYC as a business, you should make this clear in the beginning. Notice how they say that they are anonymous, and that during the exchange process, there are 0 warnings about the risk of having to provide extensive KYC verification. Only after the funds are sent by the user, do they mention anything about them not being a totally anonymous business.

It just looks like they're trying to play for time here and hold your funds as long as possible, possibly due to liquidity issues or whatnot.

Kind of reminds of changelly, tbh. They have similar problems where customer funds are held while asking for unnecessary KYC that was never required until the customer sent the money. OP, I do hope that you get your money back soon, because you deserve every cent of it back with compensation for lost time.

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July 10, 2018, 06:53:32 PM
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Last news:

As I said earlier, on July 6 I sent them a selfie and a passport photo. And they said that due to the fact that I deceived them they will now check my photos with regulating authorities.
But if you are not a kid, then you know perfectly well that there are no government institutions that check selfies and passport jpg photos...


On Sunday(July, 8 ) :
Apparently realizing that the story of the selfie check looks too stupid, they came up with something else: They decided to find out where I took the bitcoins 5 YEARS AGO! I think none of them have heard of such a word(Bitcoin) 5 years ago. But in any case, I said that I bought them in the exchanger for cash. You could not buy bitcoins for more than 100-200 dollars online in my country 5 years ago. To put it mildly, only a few exchangers throughout the country worked with such new thing.

Now this exchanger no longer exists. And I can not send them any confirmation receipts. But this is not a reason not to return my funds. Most of the services that worked 5 years ago are closed: MtGox, BTC-e, a dozens of other exchangers. If you follow this logic, you need to remove bitcoins from all people who bought them more than 5 years ago. Because they are unlikely to be able to confirm it with some screenshots from exchanges and services (since they have long been closed).

What we have at the moment: Anonymous people(from absolutely anonymous site without real address and phone) blocked my clean 5 year funds a week ago. And now they are trying to find opportunities not to return my funds to me.


For the past 4 days, they have repeated the following:
"Our DEPARTMENT[from anonymous site, where 1-3 people work from home] for risk assessment needs to conduct a full investigation of your ID and coins, which will take time."

1. They can not look at any history except for the blockchain.
2. They can not do anything with the photos, except to just look at them.
All this will take no more than an hour.

It's just a theft.

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July 10, 2018, 08:07:51 PM
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After reading the part (which I bolded) ,  I wonder why you still used the site if you consider all of that.
Because I was sure that my transaction can not cause any suspicion.
These days, exchanges see it suspicious when users transact a large amount of crypto, regardless if it's a deposit or withdrawal. Better if they mention the maximum amount to be exempted from the verification, but some do not (like changenow).


They decided to find out where I took the bitcoins 5 YEARS AGO! I think none of them have heard of such a word(Bitcoin) 5 years ago.
I checked their FAQ and saw that their service being anonymous has an exception, also mentioned about the ID and the funds origin. It was in contrast of what they stated in "Why Trust Us?" that users don’t need to create accounts or provide personal information to avoid identification or financial theft. Both quoted below:

Is your service really anonymous?
Yes, it is. You don't need to register, log in or provide your ID for verification to use ChangeNow.

However there are some exceptions.

ChangeNOW uses an automated risk management system to check all transactions. Each case will be considered individually. According to European AML directives, KYC regulations and platform requirements, we will ask you to provide you a scan of your ID document valid in your country and additional information of the funds origin.
Why trust us?
ChangeNOW is a team of experienced blockchain developers. With the Changenow platform users don’t need to create accounts or provide personal information. This allows users to avoid identification or financial theft. We offer the best rates as we use reliable trading platforms.

I don't know what they'll do about the verification and how long it will take, but good luck to you. This site isn't reliable for an anonymous transaction ~ better be avoided.
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July 10, 2018, 11:29:05 PM
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They accept mastercard and visa which is enough for us to say that they have KYC policy because without that they can't make deal with card provider. This also means they aren't operated by a single guy, there might be company backing it but they haven't exposed its name.

They are selling their token (NOW) to investment funds which also should be done via a company.

But it is unethical to keep your 100 BCH like that, you are not touching any fiat at all in this exchange so don't know whats bothering them at all.

Also for that huge amount you should have used multiple exchanges and completed your transaction in multiple batches.

Good luck with their support team, when you are sending them whatever document they are asking they should send you your coins.
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They accept mastercard and visa which is enough for us to say that they have KYC policy because without that they can't make deal with card provider. This also means they aren't operated by a single guy, there might be company backing it but they haven't exposed its name.
I alone can operate a hundred Gibraltar or Seychelles companies. It's absolutely not a problem to open a company in any offshore garbage dump(It costs only a few thousand dollars.). And then connect this company to card processing. With small volumes, you can always remain anonymous(I can choose Visa/Mastercard USD but I can't start the exchange there - maybe it's just for beauty.). The bank account is more difficult to open, but this is also possible(with help of garbage dump director from the same country). I know this area very well.


They are selling their token (NOW) to investment funds which also should be done via a company.
And what follows from this? Show me at least a dozen people who spent at least 1000 dollars on this. Do you need this token? Someone from this thread? This ICO is made to add to itself the popularity and draw beautiful fake graphics there. Of course, they sold tokens for hundreds of thousands of dollars. It is truth. It remains only to understand that they sold them to themselves.



You my dear friends are very gullible. Look at the level of their popularity on the Internet. And just think what their volumes and earnings are. They stole 70 thousand dollars. Do you really think that they earned more? (for all the time of their work.) To make a shit site (there are hundreds of such sites on the Internet.) - Why did none of you do this to earn at least 70 thousand less than a year? Just think.


I don't know what they'll do about the verification and how long it will take, but good luck to you.
There is no verification. How do you not understand this. There sits 1-2 persons(at home) who simply does not want to return money and hopes that all this will be forgotten and he will continue to work. It's been a week (WHOLE WEEK).  This topic is already subsiding. The posts on Reddit have been deserted for several days already.
A few more weeks and everything will go the same(everyone will forget about it.). And they will spend 70 thousand dollars.

Also for that huge amount you should have used multiple exchanges and completed your transaction in multiple batches.
This was just part of the total amount of the exchange.


A week passed and they are still comfortable. And then it will be easier for them. How do you not understand this? And there's nothing I can do. Because nothing is known about them. And the community with its indifference only contributes to the development of such scammers in the crypto world. You will also be robbed and no one will help you.



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July 11, 2018, 01:33:43 PM
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before that.. there is another thread discussing about this site
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2398661.0

and why dont you doing research before make deal / sign up to the site?
i can't blame you because you didn't trust the site. and sorry to hear that.
this is just like you give them free money. did you contact them again for returning your money? hope you solved your problem.
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and why dont you doing research before make deal / sign up to the site?
i can't blame you because you didn't trust the site. and sorry to hear that.
this is just like you give them free money. did you contact them again for returning your money? hope you solved your problem.
I made a mistake when I opened the site. I had to open another famous exchanger. Its name is very similar.
Of course I contacted them. But they have been telling me the same thing for 5 days.
"Our DEPARTMENT[from anonymous site where 1-3 persons working from home] for risk assessment needs to conduct a full investigation of your ID and coins, which will take time."


This is my post in Scam Accusations
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4647308


If you care about the purity of the cryptoworld, please do not leave this problem without attention.


Dear friends, if you have a blog or your friend has a blog (or something like this), please write an article about this problem. I will pay you for it. I'm not suggesting that you write lies for money. I'll just pay for the fact that someone has spent his personal time and wrote competent material.

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July 12, 2018, 12:39:10 PM
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Hello, everyone. We're here to clear everything up. Our automated verification system deemed this user's transaction suspicious, so we asked this user to provide some ID and the source of funds according to KYC guidelines, which, as you might know, every service on the market follows. In response to that, he sent us a fake ID picture which he self-admittedly got off of Google, because he, quote, "didn't take the service seriously". He also failed to provide any coherent information about the source of his funds. He did send us a different ID picture after some more talking to our support, but only after an investigation had been launched.

We mention the fact that we might ask the user to provide identification in case of a suspicious transaction in our Terms of Use and Privacy Policy, which this user also failed to familiarize himself with before using ChangeNOW.

As for the coins that we supposedly "stole": they have been moved to a cold storage where they will remain untouched until the investigation is complete. It’s been a number of times that we actually prevented theft of stolen funds this way. We hope that you understand our tactics and realize that we aren't interested in ripping our customers off just like that. Besides, our support team has repeatedly stated to this user that he will get his funds back after the situation clears up. Good day.

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I admit the mistake from the OP was to sent a photo from Google. But at the same time if you need to process a KYC verification for the sake of the European directives at any step then you should perhaps remove "Anonymous" and "Limitless" because it's not the truth, It could even be considered as false advertising, and in some countries such as The US you can end up in a justice court.
Maybe you can change it with "Anonymous depending how our automated system think you are cute)

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Our automated verification system deemed this user's transaction suspicious
Exclusively because of the amount, right? You never saw such sums, right?

which, as you might know, every service on the market follows
because he, quote, "didn't take the service seriously"
Of course! Who told you that you are a serious legitimate service? You're just a few anonymous guys who made a cheap site and a shit ICO for advertising this site. Everyone understands that there is not a single person who will invest at least 1000 dollars here. So you are nobody. You are absolutely anonymous suspicious persons who have the audacity to ask people for their personal information.
However I sent you real photos of the passport and selfie 6 DAYS AGO.



He also failed to provide any coherent information about the source of his funds.
It's a lie.
1. There is only one incoming transaction(a few months ago) and one outgoing transaction(to ChangeNow.io) on the wallet.
2. The origin of funds on this wallet is another my wallet (this wallet was created 5 years ago(before bitcoin hardfork) and it replenished only once(5 years ago))
I said that I bought bitcoins in the exchanger for cash. You could not buy bitcoins for more than 100-200 dollars online in my country 5 years ago. To put it mildly, only a few exchangers throughout the country worked with such new thing. Now this exchanger no longer exists. And I can not send them any confirmation receipts. But this is not a reason not to return my funds. Most of the services that worked 5 years ago are closed: MtGox, BTC-e, a dozens of other exchangers. If you follow this logic, you need to remove bitcoins from all people who bought them more than 5 years ago. Because they are unlikely to be able to confirm it with some screenshots from exchanges and services (since they have long been closed).


As for the coins that we supposedly "stole": they have been moved to a cold storage
No, the coins were stolen by you. You(anonymous guys) have no right to hold them that long. It took 6 days from the date you were provided with all the photos and explanations. And now I'm just trying to get coins back with the help of the community.


where they will remain untouched until the investigation is complete
What the hell are you talking about? What investigation? You can not look anything apart from the blockchain. It takes a maximum of an hour. Why do you deceive all? You think that there are idiots sitting here? What are you doing 6 days? Look for an opportunity not to return my coins to me?


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I admit the mistake from the OP was to sent a photo from Google. But at the same time if you need to process a KYC verification for the sake of the European directives at any step then you should perhaps remove "Anonymous" and "Limitless" because it's not the truth, It could even be considered as false advertising, and in some countries such as The US you can end up in a justice court.
Maybe you can change it with "Anonymous depending how our automated system think you are cute)
They would really face a big problem because of that wrong advertisement or do tagged out themselves to be anonymous and limitless but all doesnt exist on their service.


What the hell are you talking about? What investigation? You can not look anything apart from the blockchain. It takes a maximum of an hour. Why do you deceive all? You think that there are idiots sitting here? What are you doing 6 days? Look for an excuse not to return my coins to me?
I would like to know whats the word of Admin on this one. Verification for a matter of 6 days would really be just enough and on its recent reply he didnt mention regarding on the update into the real documents that had been sent out.

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