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April 04, 2021, 07:45:54 PM
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You are right, there are still many other aspects that you can take a look at if you are playing in a physical casino, but there is no doubt that if people begin to hide their face completely, as I think it is going to be the case for many poker players after this pandemic, then it is going to be a lot more problematic to read your opponents, after all there are already players that go out of their way to try to minimize as much as possible the information they give by not talking at the table unless it is absolutely necessary and this will help them to reduce information that they give even further.

There are lots of poker players who unnecessarily speak about their cards like "Hey, I have got 3 Aces, wanna fold?" and similar distracting statements which sometimes affect the decision of opponents and they fold for real, then later they come to know that the guy was 'bluffing'. This is another way of winning but not effective on those who know about this already. And it is a casino, not a hospital where silence is needed so every player is allowed to speak.
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April 04, 2021, 10:09:37 PM
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Bluffing at random intervals seem to be the best way to deceive your opponents at poker, keep in mind that it has to be random, not set in a pattern because if your opponent has at least half a brain in a few rounds he/she will figure out your pattern and will then be able to correctly deduce your hand by the next roll. Be very unpredictable by confusing even yourself. That's the way to win at poker.

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April 05, 2021, 09:12:50 AM
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Is poker a game of skill or chance? Of course, it is both, but the question is whether one is more important than the other. Luck certainly plays an important role, but skill is important too.
People who insist that poker is primarily about chance are effectively saying that skill is somehow insignificant in the scheme of things. Although that may be the way some people play poker, the simple truth is that you can always learn to play better. Everyone has the chance to do this, as far as I can tell.

I'd say it's definitely more a game of skill. The reason for this is that luck averages out over time. Skill doesn't, and is what separates good players from bad players.

Play a single hand, and yes, luck is very important. But play 1,000 hands, and luck is almost irrelevant.






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April 05, 2021, 09:13:50 AM
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You are right, there are still many other aspects that you can take a look at if you are playing in a physical casino, but there is no doubt that if people begin to hide their face completely, as I think it is going to be the case for many poker players after this pandemic, then it is going to be a lot more problematic to read your opponents, after all there are already players that go out of their way to try to minimize as much as possible the information they give by not talking at the table unless it is absolutely necessary and this will help them to reduce information that they give even further.
There are lots of poker players who unnecessarily speak about their cards like "Hey, I have got 3 Aces, wanna fold?" and similar distracting statements which sometimes affect the decision of opponents and they fold for real, then later they come to know that the guy was 'bluffing'. This is another way of winning but not effective on those who know about this already. And it is a casino, not a hospital where silence is needed so every player is allowed to speak.

If we play poker, we really have to be good at bluffing, and one of them is with a little saying that disturbs the attention of our opponents.
But we can't do that too often, because I've been admonished to keep quiet when trying to disturb my opponent in this way. Because maybe
my behavior has been considered annoying, even though we know that talking actually is allowed when playing poker. As long as it is not excessive
and disturbs the comfort of others. Therefore, bluffing by speaking that disturbs the opponent cannot be done too often. We've got to blend bluffing
with another way, In conclusion, we have to be creative in bluffing. And it takes practice to be able to do bluffing without suspicion.

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April 05, 2021, 09:15:59 PM
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Is poker a game of skill or chance? Of course, it is both, but the question is whether one is more important than the other. Luck certainly plays an important role, but skill is important too.
People who insist that poker is primarily about chance are effectively saying that skill is somehow insignificant in the scheme of things. Although that may be the way some people play poker, the simple truth is that you can always learn to play better. Everyone has the chance to do this, as far as I can tell.

I'd say it's definitely more a game of skill. The reason for this is that luck averages out over time. Skill doesn't, and is what separates good players from bad players.

Play a single hand, and yes, luck is very important. But play 1,000 hands, and luck is almost irrelevant.
Agree with this and you would really able to see the difference to those who are just really playing and depending with luck and to those who are experienced about the game.
Luck is a big factor to win but we are talking about strategic kind of games which would really be relevant and it isnt something that every players could have.
You can see significant differences between the two if you do try to look or check out.The rest in talking about being unpredictable then
this is part of the experience that you had get on playing it.

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April 05, 2021, 09:59:49 PM
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For online gambling, forum discussions is another big thing players or gambler should be aware of.
In gambling sites forum or discussion board, I see some people runing their mouth on how they cast their dice or play their games.
This is good as its most time helpful for other players but unfortunately the site do ends up manipulating the game. So ya, being unpredictable is the best.
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April 05, 2021, 10:19:22 PM
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Bluffing at random intervals seem to be the best way to deceive your opponents at poker, keep in mind that it has to be random, not set in a pattern because if your opponent has at least half a brain in a few rounds he/she will figure out your pattern and will then be able to correctly deduce your hand by the next roll. Be very unpredictable by confusing even yourself. That's the way to win at poker.
I personally do not believe that a bluffing strategy will work all the time, as a bluffing strategy is a very dangerous strategy. If you are aware, you will only bluff when the card in your hand is bad and that is why you are bluffing. But on the contrary, when your cards are good even though you are not bluffing, usually your opponent will choose to fold the cards, right?
So, that's what I'm worried about a bluff strategy because playing online or offline for a bluff strategy can still be implemented but it's still a risk.

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April 05, 2021, 10:24:17 PM
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For online gambling, forum discussions is another big thing players or gambler should be aware of.
In gambling sites forum or discussion board, I see some people runing their mouth on how they cast their dice or play their games.
This is good as its most time helpful for other players but unfortunately the site do ends up manipulating the game. So ya, being unpredictable is the best.

It's a double edge sword, since you are unpredictable, You can loss everything at a single bet too if ever you feel doing max bet at some point when you play with a pattern or a rules for your playing guidelines. The game itself is unpredictable so playing it same as that will not gonna give you a consistent result which is important when you are gambling. Reading other guide and opinions about the game itself will just confused player if the ever the game go south against the guide.

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April 05, 2021, 10:49:23 PM
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For online gambling, forum discussions is another big thing players or gambler should be aware of.
In gambling sites forum or discussion board, I see some people runing their mouth on how they cast their dice or play their games.
This is good as its most time helpful for other players but unfortunately the site do ends up manipulating the game. So ya, being unpredictable is the best.

It's a double edge sword, since you are unpredictable, You can loss everything at a single bet too if ever you feel doing max bet at some point when you play with a pattern or a rules for your playing guidelines. The game itself is unpredictable so playing it same as that will not gonna give you a consistent result which is important when you are gambling. Reading other guide and opinions about the game itself will just confused player if the ever the game go south against the guide.
It might not be consistent but its better to have these way rather than making yourself obvious which would really be a disadvantage even though the game is unpredictable or even random.

Don't try to be perfectionist because this will just stress you out or mess those things that you do have in mind.Try to follow your own ways of playing without letting yourself
being read up by others.


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Is poker a game of skill or chance? Of course, it is both, but the question is whether one is more important than the other. Luck certainly plays an important role, but skill is important too.
People who insist that poker is primarily about chance are effectively saying that skill is somehow insignificant in the scheme of things. Although that may be the way some people play poker, the simple truth is that you can always learn to play better. Everyone has the chance to do this, as far as I can tell.
I would lean more on skill because even if you have a really shitty probability landing on you, you can still bluff your way into winning the round. The reason that they think that it is a game of chance is because they only see the shuffle of cards and not how the players try to play mind games with other players, in short the people who say that poker is a game of chance are the mediocre ones.

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April 07, 2021, 05:44:05 PM
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You are right, there are still many other aspects that you can take a look at if you are playing in a physical casino, but there is no doubt that if people begin to hide their face completely, as I think it is going to be the case for many poker players after this pandemic, then it is going to be a lot more problematic to read your opponents, after all there are already players that go out of their way to try to minimize as much as possible the information they give by not talking at the table unless it is absolutely necessary and this will help them to reduce information that they give even further.

There are lots of poker players who unnecessarily speak about their cards like "Hey, I have got 3 Aces, wanna fold?" and similar distracting statements which sometimes affect the decision of opponents and they fold for real, then later they come to know that the guy was 'bluffing'. This is another way of winning but not effective on those who know about this already. And it is a casino, not a hospital where silence is needed so every player is allowed to speak.
I know there are different kind of players, what you are describing is very similar to what Daniel Negreanu does all the time, the difference is that he is a master poker player so not only he can get information out of his opponent by provoking them but also he can hide his own intentions while doing it, but very few people have that kind of talent, it is way simpler and easier to just shut up, play some solid poker and to try to diminish the information that you give out to the opponents with your body language including your facial expressions.

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April 07, 2021, 06:51:27 PM
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Is poker a game of skill or chance? Of course, it is both, but the question is whether one is more important than the other. Luck certainly plays an important role, but skill is important too.
People who insist that poker is primarily about chance are effectively saying that skill is somehow insignificant in the scheme of things. Although that may be the way some people play poker, the simple truth is that you can always learn to play better. Everyone has the chance to do this, as far as I can tell.
I would lean more on skill because even if you have a really shitty probability landing on you, you can still bluff your way into winning the round. The reason that they think that it is a game of chance is because they only see the shuffle of cards and not how the players try to play mind games with other players, in short the people who say that poker is a game of chance are the mediocre ones.

I am sure if you study, if you practice enough to learn how to read body language, it is probably one of the greatest treasures that you can own.
If I get that sort of skill and I also get to understand how it works with players I will be able to have a good edge on my own.

I don't know if that's going to happen, but that's one of the goals I have.

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April 07, 2021, 07:23:43 PM
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I am sure if you study, if you practice enough to learn how to read body language, it is probably one of the greatest treasures that you can own.
If I get that sort of skill and I also get to understand how it works with players I will be able to have a good edge on my own.

I don't know if that's going to happen, but that's one of the goals I have.
You can have it one day and you can use it for other purposes too not only by playing poker but also with other important things and events that may come to you.
I would lean more on skill because even if you have a really shitty probability landing on you, you can still bluff your way into winning the round. The reason that they think that it is a game of chance is because they only see the shuffle of cards and not how the players try to play mind games with other players, in short the people who say that poker is a game of chance are the mediocre ones.
Chance and luck for poker is just part of it but the way you handle yourself with good or bad hands, you call it skill.

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April 07, 2021, 09:56:26 PM
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Is poker a game of skill or chance? Of course, it is both, but the question is whether one is more important than the other. Luck certainly plays an important role, but skill is important too.
People who insist that poker is primarily about chance are effectively saying that skill is somehow insignificant in the scheme of things. Although that may be the way some people play poker, the simple truth is that you can always learn to play better. Everyone has the chance to do this, as far as I can tell.
I would lean more on skill because even if you have a really shitty probability landing on you, you can still bluff your way into winning the round. The reason that they think that it is a game of chance is because they only see the shuffle of cards and not how the players try to play mind games with other players, in short the people who say that poker is a game of chance are the mediocre ones.

I am sure if you study, if you practice enough to learn how to read body language, it is probably one of the greatest treasures that you can own.
If I get that sort of skill and I also get to understand how it works with players I will be able to have a good edge on my own.

I don't know if that's going to happen, but that's one of the goals I have.
Its attainable!

but it would really be requiring lots of time involvement or experiencing it out because reading up body language isnt something that you can master out
but if you do play out on constant manner then you would really be able to tell the difference.

Just play and enjoy the game because experience will be normally for you to attain and if you do wish or having a goal
to have this kind of edge among the others then you should be that patient.

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April 07, 2021, 11:08:37 PM
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just realized that a good way to practice hiding emotions is also practicing theater.
and also using a mirror
but it may take a lot of technique to be able to control the body, quite hard to master, probably.
I'm pretty sure doing theater is overboard as practice when you just want to play? I mean, I'd sure as hell just spend my passion in theater all the time if I ever started it instead of staying in gambling. And you don't really need to master much when it comes to gambling, unlike in theater plays (Though it does help in body language, both in doing it yourself and reading it through the other actors). Still, the hardest to master would probably intentionally sending fake body signals and facial expressions to the other parties, since if they ever try to read you through that, you can just fake it out and turn that into your own advantage.

yes, definitely it's not a must, but may help.
any activity that helps with proprioception and body counsciousness tbh, even dance.
but of course, these are just tools for one's toolbox, not a must have.

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April 07, 2021, 11:22:16 PM
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just realized that a good way to practice hiding emotions is also practicing theater.
and also using a mirror
but it may take a lot of technique to be able to control the body, quite hard to master, probably.
I'm pretty sure doing theater is overboard as practice when you just want to play? I mean, I'd sure as hell just spend my passion in theater all the time if I ever started it instead of staying in gambling. And you don't really need to master much when it comes to gambling, unlike in theater plays (Though it does help in body language, both in doing it yourself and reading it through the other actors). Still, the hardest to master would probably intentionally sending fake body signals and facial expressions to the other parties, since if they ever try to read you through that, you can just fake it out and turn that into your own advantage.
yes, definitely it's not a must, but may help.
any activity that helps with proprioception and body counsciousness tbh, even dance.
but of course, these are just tools for one's toolbox, not a must have.

We do have to try to do something to be able to control our body language, indeed practicing theater can be very helpful. But it is not a necessity
as you say, because we can train it anywhere, not necessarily practicing theater. I myself don't have time to join a theater group or join a dance,
I just learn from the internet. There are so many tutorials on the internet that can help us control our emotions and body language.

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April 07, 2021, 11:36:35 PM
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You have to play online and by this no one can predict your emotion.  Wink
Seriously, this will depend on you and what type of personality do you have. If you’re look more serious then it can be a good weapon for you, and if you look with less emotion that can also be good. We don’t know how the opponents reads your every move, so stay calm and focus on the game.

I actually do agree on this one, that playing online basically removes the element of reading minds. You can try to read your opponents intentions when playing online but you would not be able to read his mind based on his actions, his facial expressions, and other gestures that one normally does when playing poker in the casino setting. Bluff can be efficient in an online game but can also be predictable when played multiple times with the same players.

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April 08, 2021, 11:53:52 AM
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Gambling requires skill it is never possible to avoid risk if you have no idea about the game you are right it is not possible to understand what is going on in someone's mind the mind can never participate in gambling later. Players need to have skills about gambling and do market analysis before participating in any game guesswork is not always the same in order to achieve good things, you have to use your intellect and learn well your own knowledge is more effective than others.

it may not be possible to avoid risk completely but you can minimize it
and not all gambling requires skill, let's say, dice, as an example
the skill will be much more on how you manage your payroll but the outcome will be more than 90% luck than anything else
don't you think?

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April 08, 2021, 06:19:13 PM
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I am sure if you study, if you practice enough to learn how to read body language, it is probably one of the greatest treasures that you can own.
If I get that sort of skill and I also get to understand how it works with players I will be able to have a good edge on my own.

I don't know if that's going to happen, but that's one of the goals I have.
Its attainable!

but it would really be requiring lots of time involvement or experiencing it out because reading up body language isnt something that you can master out

I agree. Even dogs can learn to read body language to some degree.  Grin

It's amazing the level of connection they can establish with humans!
People often think their dog understands English, when in fact he doesn't. He understands their meaning.

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April 08, 2021, 11:14:33 PM
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Players need to have skills about gambling and do market analysis before participating in any game guesswork is not always the same in order to achieve good things, you have to use your intellect and learn well your own knowledge is more effective than others.
There's no need for market analysis for poker and being unpredictable mate. What you need to do is to make yourself unpredictable by doing things that are not possible to be read by the other players sitting opposed to you.
Maybe if someone explains to me the relevance of market analysis and being unpredictable in poker, I might understand it.

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