Being unpredictable

[KTChampions]

You talk about the past  
As far as I know, neural networks have long defeated people in limit poker and the only stronghold where people still win is no-limit (although I have not been interested in this topic for a year, and perhaps this bastion has already fallen). And as I understand it, the AI should not be able to bluff to effectively beat people.

interesting, out of curiosity I went searching a bit about it and found these 2 articles:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/feb/05/artificial-intelligence-ethics-poker-libratus-texas-holdem-ai-deepstack
https://www.forbes.com/sites/bernardmarr/2019/09/13/artificial-intelligence-masters-the-game-of-poker--what-does-that-mean-for-humans/?sh=331e5695f9ea

so you're right this is not new info since the second article was published in 2019.

so by that we just proved that:
math = true > bluffing
?

that may generate some quite interesting paradigms on society...

Sure. I think bluffing has chances at a very short distance, literally a few dozen hands. Any long distance devalues it to zero as the neural network begins to "understand" it. Taking into account the fact that an exposed bluff is almost always a loss, it turns out that bluffing is unprofitable at a distance.
And if you take into account the distances at which professionals are now figuring out who is stronger (hundreds of thousands of hands), everything is pretty obvious.

[Johnyz]

In my case, I've learned that unpredictability is complex in such a way that a lot of factors can affect how to anticipate your decisions like timing, momentum and reaction to certain situations. There are a lot of ways to play poker, you can be aggressive or passive but never forget it's still a game of chances. I think being unpredictable comes easy at first set of hands just because it's all fair game until someone builds a stack and by then the real poker game really starts.

That's right we have to think bigger since there's a lot of ways to become unpredictable but still not a guaranteed way to win since many poker players also practice this one, perhaps most of them. If you want to become unpredictable you must study how to have a self-control and to control every emotion that you can possibly get in gambling, or if you just want to have fun then express your real self and just enjoy the poker game.

[coin-investor]

Is there a way that you can ensure being difficult to predict at Poker? For example, if you never bluff, people will eventually get to known that and it will reduce your ability to profit from good  cards? Anyone there knows techniques or trick to avoid being easy to read?

You can do Yoga this is the best way to remain calm and avoid to excited when reading your card, you can also do a lot of practice in front of the mirror and check and study your facial expression if the signs of excitement will show up in your face, you just have to be dedicated and practice a lot, having an expressionless face is not an easy task but you can get it with the right method and practice.

[Betwrong]

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Do this, without becoming theatrical. If not, it will give you the clear idea that you are playing a meaningless and logical game, and that way it will be easier for opponents to be able to understand what you are trying to do.

Yeah, I forgot to add that you should look natural when you are doing a poker face because a bad one is a good tell that you are hiding something and makes you easy to predict. Another one I think you can do is play risky all the time but that is if you can handle the stress of playing risky.

Poker face and make it looks natural, that's truly hard to predict what encircling inside your minds.

Lots of gamblers practice this and make it realistic, they use this skills to take advantage with those gamblers who played against them,

if you able to practice this and managed to make it more realistic from time to time, you really got the opportunities to collect winning stats each time you made a call.

Guys, from your posts it looks like there is no such thing as online poker, where no one can see your face expression or read your body language. What about those online games where people are winning millions, and what about the fact that many of those who are good at online games are good at live ones too?

I don't want to sound like I know everything, I can be wrong, but I personally think that there are things in poker that much more important than body language. Those are: time taken for making a call/raise compared to your usual time for making a call/raise/fold and the size of your current bet compared to previous sizes. ... If you can read others by those traits, and if you are good at concealing yours, you win.

Again, I know I can be wrong. And this is a very interesting topic to me, so I'm open to discussion.

[fortunecrypto]

Is there a way that you can ensure being difficult to predict at Poker? For example, if you never bluff, people will eventually get to known that and it will reduce your ability to profit from good  cards? Anyone there knows techniques or trick to avoid being easy to read?

Practice makes perfect that's the only way to do that, but even if a player is good at hiding his expression and his feelings, experienced poker players are also good at reading your body language, so it's not only your facial expression but also your body language that you need to hide for you be competitive in poker games. 

[mersal]

Is there a way that you can ensure being difficult to predict at Poker? For example, if you never bluff, people will eventually get to known that and it will reduce your ability to profit from good  cards? Anyone there knows techniques or trick to avoid being easy to read?

Practice makes perfect that's the only way to do that, but even if a player is good at hiding his expression and his feelings, experienced poker players are also good at reading your body language, so it's not only your facial expression but also your body language that you need to hide for you be competitive in poker games. 

Casino Royale!

Yeah, but you are right still the over smart poker champion will use such a category to bluff you so it's too much complicated if you take lot of things into account while predicting the oppositions cards.

So play your game at best while use bluff occasionally.

[mindrust]

You just have to play randomly and bluff randomly.

Even when people think they are acting randomly, they are still not really acting randomly but following a pattern.

Play this game and test how random you really are:

https://www.expunctis.com/2019/03/07/Not-so-random.html

When you keep clicking the randomize button you'll see that your balance going higher. And whenever you decide to press left-right yourself, your balance will go down. People are not really random. Machines can guess your next move easily. If machines can, other people also can.

[joker_josue]

Even when people think they are acting randomly, they are still not really acting randomly but following a pattern.

Play this game and test how random you really are:

https://www.expunctis.com/2019/03/07/Not-so-random.html

When you keep clicking the randomize button you'll see that your balance going higher. And whenever you decide to press left-right yourself, your balance will go down. People are not really random. Machines can guess your next move easily. If machines can, other people also can.

This game is too basic, with only 2 options, it has a 50% chance of getting it right, so it is easy to guess more than half of our options.
In a wide range of variations, it is difficult for a PC to predict our unpredictability.

[Mauser]

Is there a way that you can ensure being difficult to predict at Poker? For example, if you never bluff, people will eventually get to known that and it will reduce your ability to profit from good  cards? Anyone there knows techniques or trick to avoid being easy to read?

Practice makes perfect that's the only way to do that, but even if a player is good at hiding his expression and his feelings, experienced poker players are also good at reading your body language, so it's not only your facial expression but also your body language that you need to hide for you be competitive in poker games. 

Being afraid of giving away takes during poker games is real issue. That is probably why at the moment is the best time to play poker on casino. Wearing a face mask will hide most our expression, if on top of that we wear a scarf, hat and glasses it should be impossible for anybody to read us. But if we do that than it is very likely that other players will do so too. Being able to show expressions is a good thing in my opinion because we can look excited when actually having a bad hand. As long as we can control our emotions we can make good use of them. Then again when playing online all these points are invalid.

[hahay]

Is there a way that you can ensure being difficult to predict at Poker? For example, if you never bluff, people will eventually get to known that and it will reduce your ability to profit from good  cards? Anyone there knows techniques or trick to avoid being easy to read?

Practice makes perfect that's the only way to do that, but even if a player is good at hiding his expression and his feelings, experienced poker players are also good at reading your body language, so it's not only your facial expression but also your body language that you need to hide for you be competitive in poker games. 

Being afraid of giving away takes during poker games is real issue. That is probably why at the moment is the best time to play poker on casino. Wearing a face mask will hide most our expression, if on top of that we wear a scarf, hat and glasses it should be impossible for anybody to read us. But if we do that than it is very likely that other players will do so too. Being able to show expressions is a good thing in my opinion because we can look excited when actually having a bad hand. As long as we can control our emotions we can make good use of them. Then again when playing online all these points are invalid.

In addition, in the game of poker at least you will not always get the same opponent, so even though you have a lot of practice which of course has a lot of experience but still, with opponents who are never the same you have to be vigilant in playing poker. Being unpredictable is a difficult thing, because after all you always have the feeling that it will pop into the look on your face and eyes when you see the card in hand.

[l3pox]

Is there a way that you can ensure being difficult to predict at Poker? For example, if you never bluff, people will eventually get to known that and it will reduce your ability to profit from good  cards? Anyone there knows techniques or trick to avoid being easy to read?

Practice makes perfect that's the only way to do that, but even if a player is good at hiding his expression and his feelings, experienced poker players are also good at reading your body language, so it's not only your facial expression but also your body language that you need to hide for you be competitive in poker games. 

Being afraid of giving away takes during poker games is real issue. That is probably why at the moment is the best time to play poker on casino. Wearing a face mask will hide most our expression, if on top of that we wear a scarf, hat and glasses it should be impossible for anybody to read us. But if we do that than it is very likely that other players will do so too. Being able to show expressions is a good thing in my opinion because we can look excited when actually having a bad hand. As long as we can control our emotions we can make good use of them. Then again when playing online all these points are invalid.

yes, it's even harder to learn how to hide expressions without the mask/glass/scarf etc... and how to be more aware of our body expression,
quite a challenge

studying body language and observing it on other people doing everyday movements and actions is also quite rewarding for this.

[bitterguy28]

Is there a way that you can ensure being difficult to predict at Poker? For example, if you never bluff, people will eventually get to known that and it will reduce your ability to profit from good  cards? Anyone there knows techniques or trick to avoid being easy to read?

Practice makes perfect that's the only way to do that, but even if a player is good at hiding his expression and his feelings, experienced poker players are also good at reading your body language, so it's not only your facial expression but also your body language that you need to hide for you be competitive in poker games. 

and not to mentioned those who have a great instincts , Because i have a friend that is good at it, he even winning in gambling using his inner instincts .

But yeah body language and facial expression is one tool to find your opponents weaknesses .

[btc78]

Is there a way that you can ensure being difficult to predict at Poker? For example, if you never bluff, people will eventually get to known that and it will reduce your ability to profit from good  cards? Anyone there knows techniques or trick to avoid being easy to read?

Poker is a Mind game , if you don't know how to handle your desire in winning then you will surely lose , because how many times that you need to pretend to be smart while letting them off your guard.
I know Poker for long time and believe me , majority of players lose than wins.

Is there a way that you can ensure being difficult to predict at Poker? For example, if you never bluff, people will eventually get to known that and it will reduce your ability to profit from good  cards? Anyone there knows techniques or trick to avoid being easy to read?

Practice makes perfect that's the only way to do that, but even if a player is good at hiding his expression and his feelings, experienced poker players are also good at reading your body language, so it's not only your facial expression but also your body language that you need to hide for you be competitive in poker games. 

practicing while in actual gambling will save your asses mate.

[Betwrong]

No one wants to discuss online poker here?  

I'm asking you, guys, please read my post above, and tell what you think.

The thing is that that's my own theory, I've never heard or read about it, and it's very interesting to me what other poker players think about it.

I know many people think that only live casino poker is the "real poker", because only there you can utilize your skills of reading other people's emotions and hiding yours, but then how to explain the fact that, I'll cite my post from above, "many of those who are good at online games are good at live ones too"?

[joker_josue]

Guys, from your posts it looks like there is no such thing as online poker, where no one can see your face expression or read your body language. What about those online games where people are winning millions, and what about the fact that many of those who are good at online games are good at live ones too?

I don't want to sound like I know everything, I can be wrong, but I personally think that there are things in poker that much more important than body language. Those are: time taken for making a call/raise compared to your usual time for making a call/raise/fold and the size of your current bet compared to previous sizes. ... If you can read others by those traits, and if you are good at concealing yours, you win.

Again, I know I can be wrong. And this is a very interesting topic to me, so I'm open to discussion.

Of course, there is online poker. For professional players they serve more to train strategies. Of course, they also try to make money, but usually the goal is to train. For amateurs, it can be a way of trying to earn some money.

Now online poker is more difficult and easier at the same time. On the one hand, it is more difficult to understand the strategy that opponents use, and to discover patterns. On the other hand, it is played with amateurs that is easier to win.

[l3pox]

Is there a way that you can ensure being difficult to predict at Poker? For example, if you never bluff, people will eventually get to known that and it will reduce your ability to profit from good  cards? Anyone there knows techniques or trick to avoid being easy to read?

Practice makes perfect that's the only way to do that, but even if a player is good at hiding his expression and his feelings, experienced poker players are also good at reading your body language, so it's not only your facial expression but also your body language that you need to hide for you be competitive in poker games. 

and not to mentioned those who have a great instincts , Because i have a friend that is good at it, he even winning in gambling using his inner instincts .

But yeah body language and facial expression is one tool to find your opponents weaknesses .

that is cool!
and quite hard to practice. in reality there's not really a way to practice it besides connecting to yourself, observing and trusting your gut
some people have a good radar, almost like they could smell fear or other emotions.

[mindrust]

Even when people think they are acting randomly, they are still not really acting randomly but following a pattern.

Play this game and test how random you really are:

https://www.expunctis.com/2019/03/07/Not-so-random.html

When you keep clicking the randomize button you'll see that your balance going higher. And whenever you decide to press left-right yourself, your balance will go down. People are not really random. Machines can guess your next move easily. If machines can, other people also can.

This game is too basic, with only 2 options, it has a 50% chance of getting it right, so it is easy to guess more than half of our options.
In a wide range of variations, it is difficult for a PC to predict our unpredictability.

If it is too basic I'd like to view a screenshot (or better, a video sample) showing how you beat the game. Since it is so simple... you should be able to beat it. This game might be a basic one but AI is getting better every second. I don't know how good AI is right now but I expect it to be better than you think. It is a huge field now many devs are working on it.

[RealMalatesta]

Being unpredictable and sometimes follow confidence can win you some bets. I don't know whether you guys aware of the game Rummy but it is all about looking confident even when you get the worst cards during the distribution of cards. I have played almost all the online games like Poker, Runny, BJ,etc and I think sometimes in games like Rummy you just need to look confident (especially when you are playing it live in-person) because the other plays have the option to throw cards for a minimal loss and I have won some games where I ended up having the worst cards but the other plays threw their card believing that I have got some of the best ones.

Being unpredictable works quite good but in games where the opponent is the house, you will most likely never have an advantage doing such tricks, these things work when you are playing against players.

[Beparanf]

Now online poker is more difficult and easier at the same time. On the one hand, it is more difficult to understand the strategy that opponents use, and to discover patterns. On the other hand, it is played with amateurs that is easier to win.

If you mean bluffing, then real poker player will not fall very often on that trick as long as there is strong base on the card statistics which they are analysing and practicing many times. I don't know what kind of strategy you are pertaining but being good on probability and statistics is the only strategy needed to win on poker. Bluffing is just an add-ons and will not gonna work against professional player.

[joker_josue]

If you mean bluffing, then real poker player will not fall very often on that trick as long as there is strong base on the card statistics which they are analysing and practicing many times. I don't know what kind of strategy you are pertaining but being good on probability and statistics is the only strategy needed to win on poker. Bluffing is just an add-ons and will not gonna work against professional player.

It is true that probability and statistics are fundamental. But there are many variants and strategies. So it is necessary to be able to read the opponent, to try to understand what this strategy is. If you stick to the statistics, the chances of losing increase. We cannot forget that a human player can be unpredictable.