Being unpredictable

[Betwrong]

~ Talking about Texas hold 'em, there's really nothing to memorize there. If you mean you can memorize with what cards a particular player was raising/calling in that rare case when he/she decides to show cards when finally folding or losing, those cards are most likely they want you to memorize, to mislead you about their way of playing.

If Texas hold'em in Facebook, that is one old game that I played before with my friends. I can't memorize the cards, but many of my friends can do that. Perhaps, that can work for some people and not for others because playing poker games needs many things to win, and that is not easy.

I've never played poker on Facebook, but I'm pretty sure if it's Texas hold 'em then the rules are the same. I still see no point in memorizing cards, sorry. If you could share just one example where memorizing was helpful, that would be great.

If that is poker online, we can not use the way we use offline poker, and we need to find another way to trick the opponent.

Bet sizing can be much more important than your face expression. An additional, although weaker factor, is time taken before your action. Both, online a offline poker, are equally suitable for these "tricks".

[hahay]

The only technique that will work is to have a poker-faced and it can be done by practice and through meditation, I have seen people who practice yoga and they can have no feeling or expression at all if they want, practice makes perfect if you practice over a thousand rounds and you get to use having no expression at all, you can achieve that if you are dedicated to your craft.

I still don't know what a poker face is, is not having an expression what is meant by a poker face? I didn't know there was this term but anyway, I don't think you should practice yoga because in this case at least you can control yourself, don't panic and can keep your breathing steady. So that way, I'm sure when you do it often you will also be able to apply an expressionless face in poker but still, it seems like it's something difficult in poker because the tension in the game is bound to happen.

[paxmao]

The only technique that will work is to have a poker-faced and it can be done by practice and through meditation, I have seen people who practice yoga and they can have no feeling or expression at all if they want, practice makes perfect if you practice over a thousand rounds and you get to use having no expression at all, you can achieve that if you are dedicated to your craft.

I still don't know what a poker face is, is not having an expression what is meant by a poker face? I didn't know there was this term but anyway, I don't think you should practice yoga because in this case at least you can control yourself, don't panic and can keep your breathing steady. So that way, I'm sure when you do it often you will also be able to apply an expressionless face in poker but still, it seems like it's something difficult in poker because the tension in the game is bound to happen.

I do not see a non-professional using meditation or yoga in order to play better at poker. I do see professionals doing it on a constant basis, because the sums of money they have to bet on are sometimes life-changing and it takes a special personality to stay there without blinking. I also wonder sometimes if they are able to lie to a detector or send a false signal on purpose to other players. And all that at the same time that they are watching the rivals while appearing not to be watching the rivals. Perhaps enough to drive anyone insane?

[Chato1977]

Is there a way that you can ensure being difficult to predict at Poker? For example, if you never bluff, people will eventually get to known that and it will reduce your ability to profit from good  cards? Anyone there knows techniques or trick to avoid being easy to read?

I'm sure you are talking about Real life Poker right? because it is stupid to expect about our emotion on bluffing to be known by the computer online 

Anyway , There is no such thing unless you know how to divert your emotion from tense to happy, and from normal to abnormal.

[Lucasgabd]

~ Talking about Texas hold 'em, there's really nothing to memorize there. If you mean you can memorize with what cards a particular player was raising/calling in that rare case when he/she decides to show cards when finally folding or losing, those cards are most likely they want you to memorize, to mislead you about their way of playing.

If Texas hold'em in Facebook, that is one old game that I played before with my friends. I can't memorize the cards, but many of my friends can do that. Perhaps, that can work for some people and not for others because playing poker games needs many things to win, and that is not easy.

I've never played poker on Facebook, but I'm pretty sure if it's Texas hold 'em then the rules are the same. I still see no point in memorizing cards, sorry. If you could share just one example where memorizing was helpful, that would be great.

If that is poker online, we can not use the way we use offline poker, and we need to find another way to trick the opponent.

Bet sizing can be much more important than your face expression. An additional, although weaker factor, is time taken before your action. Both, online a offline poker, are equally suitable for these "tricks".

Maybe not memorizing but calculating odds can help.
depending on the cards on the table and on your hand you can try and calculate the odds of other players to have better hands than you.
definitely not easy, but feasible.

nice trick on checking response times of users.

[Fredomago]

The only technique that will work is to have a poker-faced and it can be done by practice and through meditation, I have seen people who practice yoga and they can have no feeling or expression at all if they want, practice makes perfect if you practice over a thousand rounds and you get to use having no expression at all, you can achieve that if you are dedicated to your craft.

I still don't know what a poker face is, is not having an expression what is meant by a poker face? I didn't know there was this term but anyway, I don't think you should practice yoga because in this case at least you can control yourself, don't panic and can keep your breathing steady. So that way, I'm sure when you do it often you will also be able to apply an expressionless face in poker but still, it seems like it's something difficult in poker because the tension in the game is bound to happen.

I do not see a non-professional using meditation or yoga in order to play better at poker. I do see professionals doing it on a constant basis, because the sums of money they have to bet on are sometimes life-changing and it takes a special personality to stay there without blinking. I also wonder sometimes if they are able to lie to a detector or send a false signal on purpose to other players. And all that at the same time that they are watching the rivals while appearing not to be watching the rivals. Perhaps enough to drive anyone insane?

Not an easy task but there are some people who have that capabilities., experienced gives the extra edge controlling the emotions that they've wanted their competitors will think about them,.

A matter of time that you spend from this venue of activity to master your emotions and controlling both your physical and your  mental  capabilities.

Being unpredictable is a skill that can  learn while you are enjoying playing inside the casino.

[Smartvirus]

Being predictable is a state that you rather not be in, it not only reduces your chances of winning in a good game of poker at the table and the value to which you stand to win but then, it goes down to putting you at security risk. Being unpredictability an important part of our human existence and it goes straight into the poker too. With it being a reading game, your better not being read.

When you've got the cards right, your emotions sets win, a near win kind of syndrome and as such, no matter how you try to pretend, a part of you keeps being excited and thats the part you have to fight. Perhaps banking your hopes on the anger of a previous lose could jeep that in check. You bluff a few times but not once too many and give a straight stare quite often. It just might help

[South Park]

The only technique that will work is to have a poker-faced and it can be done by practice and through meditation, I have seen people who practice yoga and they can have no feeling or expression at all if they want, practice makes perfect if you practice over a thousand rounds and you get to use having no expression at all, you can achieve that if you are dedicated to your craft.

I still don't know what a poker face is, is not having an expression what is meant by a poker face? I didn't know there was this term but anyway, I don't think you should practice yoga because in this case at least you can control yourself, don't panic and can keep your breathing steady. So that way, I'm sure when you do it often you will also be able to apply an expressionless face in poker but still, it seems like it's something difficult in poker because the tension in the game is bound to happen.

Not really, a poker face is simply to not change your behaviors regardless of the hand you are given, so for example if you are a serious player that does not talk a lot on the table and you have a bad hand then you still do not change your betting habits, the way you bet and the time you take to think, basically you need to do everything in the same way despite what you have in your hand, and if you are a talkative and extroverted player then your poker face is to keep being that way regardless of what you have.

[dunfida]

would you say that the techniques and tricks for online and offline pocker are almost like 2 different games?
with similar rules
or its not as different as that?

The main rules will be the same.

Now, the way of playing has to be different.
In the offline game, bluffing can involve several aspects, such as facial expression and table posture.
In the online game, these aspects no longer apply. Therefore, the only bluff that can be used is the level of betting behavior, and whether or not to go to the game.

yes! totally agree
level of betting and also repetitive behavior or not, even on online poker sometimes you can tell after playing a few tables if the person usually bluffs more or not by the way they bet/fold and frequency

Not that much since it would rather be ending up as a hunch unlike if you do able to see the persons face or in physical on where you can presume out that he is really into something on where these things cant really be determined when you do play online.You can determine things between two.
So its up to someones own perception and observation but we can really tell the diffence.

[Lucasgabd]

would you say that the techniques and tricks for online and offline pocker are almost like 2 different games?
with similar rules
or its not as different as that?

The main rules will be the same.

Now, the way of playing has to be different.
In the offline game, bluffing can involve several aspects, such as facial expression and table posture.
In the online game, these aspects no longer apply. Therefore, the only bluff that can be used is the level of betting behavior, and whether or not to go to the game.

yes! totally agree
level of betting and also repetitive behavior or not, even on online poker sometimes you can tell after playing a few tables if the person usually bluffs more or not by the way they bet/fold and frequency

Not that much since it would rather be ending up as a hunch unlike if you do able to see the persons face or in physical on where you can presume out that he is really into something on where these things cant really be determined when you do play online.You can determine things between two.
So its up to someones own perception and observation but we can really tell the diffence.

yes, of course its easier to determine bluffs in real life playing, my point is that it may also be possible on online gaming, even though its harder
way more challenging.

I definitely like playing irl the most but online poker have its nice aspects as well

[Betwrong]

~

Maybe not memorizing but calculating odds can help.
depending on the cards on the table and on your hand you can try and calculate the odds of other players to have better hands than you.
definitely not easy, but feasible.

Calculating the odds of possible outcomes is absolutely necessary when you play poker, and, yes, it's feasible. Experienced poker players do not use calculator for that, it happens automatically in their brain. Of course, since luck is involved, you can know nothing about the odds and still win, but the probability of that is very low.

nice trick on checking response times of users.

Yeah, just one example. You can't call a big raise instantly, when you have nothing. You should consider bluffing or folding, and it takes time.

[South Park]

would you say that the techniques and tricks for online and offline pocker are almost like 2 different games?
with similar rules
or its not as different as that?

The main rules will be the same.

Now, the way of playing has to be different.
In the offline game, bluffing can involve several aspects, such as facial expression and table posture.
In the online game, these aspects no longer apply. Therefore, the only bluff that can be used is the level of betting behavior, and whether or not to go to the game.

yes! totally agree
level of betting and also repetitive behavior or not, even on online poker sometimes you can tell after playing a few tables if the person usually bluffs more or not by the way they bet/fold and frequency

Not that much since it would rather be ending up as a hunch unlike if you do able to see the persons face or in physical on where you can presume out that he is really into something on where these things cant really be determined when you do play online.You can determine things between two.
So its up to someones own perception and observation but we can really tell the diffence.

Even online we can see some tells about what your opponent may have, and everything has to do with patterns, if you see that your opponent takes most of the time he is given to think about his move but then he begins to make faster decisions then you need to wonder why that is? Most likely this has to do with the fact he has a good hand and it is going to be difficult to beat it and he is so sure of himself that he is not afraid of calling everything that you throw at him, obviously this process is easier to do in real life but there is still ways to get out information out of the betting patterns of your opponents.

[Lucasgabd]

~

Maybe not memorizing but calculating odds can help.
depending on the cards on the table and on your hand you can try and calculate the odds of other players to have better hands than you.
definitely not easy, but feasible.

Calculating the odds of possible outcomes is absolutely necessary when you play poker, and, yes, it's feasible. Experienced poker players do not use calculator for that, it happens automatically in their brain. Of course, since luck is involved, you can know nothing about the odds and still win, but the probability of that is very low.

nice trick on checking response times of users.

Yeah, just one example. You can't call a big raise instantly, when you have nothing. You should consider bluffing or folding, and it takes time.

so fast decision-takers will have an edge, an advantage
quite interesting

what are your takes on subjective probabilities?
bullshit or possible to calibrate?

[Betwrong]

Yeah, just one example. You can't call a big raise instantly, when you have nothing. You should consider bluffing or folding, and it takes time.

Calling with nothing is very risky, we could trust in an Ace high, or a King High but the chances are small for us to win actually. When confronted with a big raise I probably would just fold.

That's what I'm doing most of the time too, but it's not easy to see your stack melting, and your opponents, one by one, outrunning you on the leader-board. You should have the strength to endure it all.

It is not about being unpredictable when we go All in, but the chances are that the opponent has the nuts. Better to fold and win the money back later. If the other guy would check than it is a better position to go All in.

There's always a possibility that they are bluffcatching you, though.

~
what are your takes on subjective probabilities?
bullshit or possible to calibrate?

It's not bullshit, that's for sure. Even if you are starting playing with complete strangers, after 20-30 minutes in the tournament you more or less know their style. Then you can start utilizing your knowledge, and you'll fail only when they'll be acting not in their style, in other words, unpredictably. Now, they can't act unpredictably all the time, because it'll turn their game into an almost purely luck-based one, so, yeah, imo, subjective probabilities are useful.

[Lucasgabd]

interesting @Betwrong
now I feel we get to some core of the idea.

to be better players and become more unpredictable we mut have some degree of randomness but not 100% since this would be too much and turn skill into pure luck.

really interesting

[BlackFor3st]

Is there a way that you can ensure being difficult to predict at Poker? For example, if you never bluff, people will eventually get to known that and it will reduce your ability to profit from good  cards? Anyone there knows techniques or trick to avoid being easy to read?

I'm sure you are talking about Real life Poker right? because it is stupid to expect about our emotion on bluffing to be known by the computer online 

Anyway , There is no such thing unless you know how to divert your emotion from tense to happy, and from normal to abnormal.

Probably, you can't show emotions or chat but I think it's possible that you will type and type just to confuse the other players but in real life poker I think changing behavior from time to time would help you not to be read by other players. I think one of my weakness is having trouble reading others maybe they're using that trick to confuse me.

[Betwrong]

interesting @Betwrong
now I feel we get to some core of the idea.

to be better players and become more unpredictable we mut have some degree of randomness but not 100% since this would be too much and turn skill into pure luck.

really interesting

Yes, that's what I meant, thank you!

Regarding this topic, being unpredictable is absolutely necessary, but here we can discuss to what degree we should apply this rule. What is the optimum percentage of such moves?

I have a dream that one day poker players, when googling about poker strategies, will be ending up on bitcointalk because here they can see some fresh ideas and use them to their advantage.

[Lucasgabd]

interesting @Betwrong
now I feel we get to some core of the idea.

to be better players and become more unpredictable we mut have some degree of randomness but not 100% since this would be too much and turn skill into pure luck.

really interesting

Yes, that's what I meant, thank you!

Regarding this topic, being unpredictable is absolutely necessary, but here we can discuss to what degree we should apply this rule. What is the optimum percentage of such moves?

I have a dream that one day poker players, when googling about poker strategies, will be ending up on bitcointalk because here they can see some fresh ideas and use them to their advantage.

ooh, imagine that, bitcointalk holding all the Poker alpha, that would be curious 


So, does unpredictability on games correlates to being unpredictable in life in a positive or negative way?
or none?

Someone who has really predictable life and routine, could be more unpredictable on games than someone who live in a more erratic and unexpected way?

[CoolerSid]

interesting @Betwrong
now I feel we get to some core of the idea.

to be better players and become more unpredictable we mut have some degree of randomness but not 100% since this would be too much and turn skill into pure luck.

really interesting

Yes, that's what I meant, thank you!

Regarding this topic, being unpredictable is absolutely necessary, but here we can discuss to what degree we should apply this rule. What is the optimum percentage of such moves?

I have a dream that one day poker players, when googling about poker strategies, will be ending up on bitcointalk because here they can see some fresh ideas and use them to their advantage.

it will be usfull, i think

[Lucasgabd]

interesting @Betwrong
now I feel we get to some core of the idea.

to be better players and become more unpredictable we mut have some degree of randomness but not 100% since this would be too much and turn skill into pure luck.

really interesting

Yes, that's what I meant, thank you!

Regarding this topic, being unpredictable is absolutely necessary, but here we can discuss to what degree we should apply this rule. What is the optimum percentage of such moves?

I have a dream that one day poker players, when googling about poker strategies, will be ending up on bitcointalk because here they can see some fresh ideas and use them to their advantage.

it will be usfull, i think

it's not impossible indeed but we would need more in depth posts and better organization for that
I guess

of course one can always find the forum by chance and go deeper from there but I find that most of the people I indicate to check posts here end up not sticking to it.