Very immoral marketing strategy.

[leea-1334]

Tone Vays posted the following query to him about this not too long ago. Here you can see how much streamers get paid just for saying what the respective client likes:

I cannot read the thing,,, too blurry for my eyes. But if I am not mistaken Tone Vays himself is a big shiller/influencer. You can pay him to say whatever you want him to say. Now he is rich and he is a bit more picky but he deleted also a lot of videos and stuff in the ICO days that he said were good and turned out to be scam.

[pilosopotasyo]

The argument they provide is as follow, ''we are entertainers/performers''. This need to be stopped. I am creating this thread to discuss such issues and to warn other new comers about the potential loss. If you have found such streamers please post here so that it can be helpful for new players to make realistic decisions.

Old members should remind new players of this manipulation, many gambling sites popular and new gambling sites are using this strategy it's effective for new players but for old players they know it's not possible and only a gimmick to entice new players to bet more and try their luck in hitting the jackpot, they want all the money that you have, to gamble and try your luck and motivate you that you will end up what you are seeing on Youtube.

[RealMalatesta]

The argument they provide is as follow, ''we are entertainers/performers''. This need to be stopped. I am creating this thread to discuss such issues and to warn other new comers about the potential loss. If you have found such streamers please post here so that it can be helpful for new players to make realistic decisions.

Old members should remind new players of this manipulation, many gambling sites popular and new gambling sites are using this strategy it's effective for new players but for old players they know it's not possible and only a gimmick to entice new players to bet more and try their luck in hitting the jackpot, they want all the money that you have, to gamble and try your luck and motivate you that you will end up what you are seeing on Youtube.

Unfortunately it works, that is why casinos are doing it so much because it is something that just works marvels. I mean I would definitely not do something like this, no matter how much someone else earns it is never something I would do. I have also seen Hollywood movies where the hero wins tens of millions of dollars, but that is not how casinos work and that is just casinos paying Hollywood to make that kind of movies so that other people could make that kind of profit.

Long story short it is not really something that would be interesting to me because I know the data and the numbers, why would I be fooled by someone else "telling" me or "showing" me when I can just go ahead and see that there is a house edge so it is mathematically impossible for me to keep earning money? I know that and that is why I am not fooled by that, house edge should be thought very carefully.

[livingfree]

I cannot read the thing,,, too blurry for my eyes. But if I am not mistaken Tone Vays himself is a big shiller/influencer. You can pay him to say whatever you want him to say. Now he is rich and he is a bit more picky but he deleted also a lot of videos and stuff in the ICO days that he said were good and turned out to be scam.

That's what they'll do if they can review back those projects that they've helped and advertised that paid them much. And today, there's always the disclaimer from these popular influencers.

But if some don't choose to have the disclaimer then probably that's part of the contract that they shouldn't disclose anything related to the deal and to the advertisement that they're going to do with such video when they use the platform and experience to gamble on their own.

[coin-investor]

Some of you guys must have watched high stake slot players in their pajamas rolling thousands of dollars in single spin, buying hundred of thousands worth of bonus spins. If you notice closely yo will found the same pattern all over again and again. They start with loosing most of their bank roll (almost 80-90%), and then going all in at last and guess what, bingo!!! they hit hundreds of thousands of dollars. Very few of them write in their stream discerption about rolling with fake money (or money of which they can only cash out like 1%). Almost all of them scream loudly and show us that they are winning it in real, some are very good at faking it, which attracts lots of new gamblers (with false expectations) and they end up loosing it all which ultimately leads to social disharmony.
The argument they provide is as follow, ''we are entertainers/performers''. This need to be stopped. I am creating this thread to discuss such issues and to warn other new comers about the potential loss. If you have found such streamers please post here so that it can be helpful for new players to make realistic decisions.

This is where you can test a player if he is a new one or an old gambler, old gamblers do not fall into this kind of publicity stunt, they know the truth, they know that this is a promotional stunt to entice gamblers to play all their money, you cannot stop these gambling sites to hire these Youtubers to create videos like this, it's a win-win situation for both of them, but the gamblers end up losing here.

[Eureka_07]

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This is where you can test a player if he is a new one or an old gambler, old gamblers do not fall into this kind of publicity stunt, they know the truth, they know that this is a promotional stunt to entice gamblers to play all their money, you cannot stop these gambling sites to hire these Youtubers to create videos like this, it's a win-win situation for both of them, but the gamblers end up losing here.

Seems like you're over criticizing that kind of promotions backed up by those casinos.. Yes there are videos that probably are made for "stunts" to just make the viewers believe that this casino is paying even large bets in which, at the end, there will be no cash outs that happened. On the otherhand, there are really players who just make videos just to be their content, sometimes their videos are sponsored tho.

[peter0425]

I cannot read the thing,,, too blurry for my eyes. But if I am not mistaken Tone Vays himself is a big shiller/influencer. You can pay him to say whatever you want him to say. Now he is rich and he is a bit more picky but he deleted also a lot of videos and stuff in the ICO days that he said were good and turned out to be scam.

That's what they'll do if they can review back those projects that they've helped and advertised that paid them much. And today, there's always the disclaimer from these popular influencers.

Why will he review the projects he helped when he already knew that from the start.

and also why He cares when he already Earned much from them?

But if some don't choose to have the disclaimer then probably that's part of the contract that they shouldn't disclose anything related to the deal and to the advertisement that they're going to do with such video when they use the platform and experience to gamble on their own.

The only answer is? best to choose each site to play and that will save you from being victim by scammers.

[Lakai01]

I cannot read the thing,,, too blurry for my eyes. But if I am not mistaken Tone Vays himself is a big shiller/influencer. You can pay him to say whatever you want him to say. Now he is rich and he is a bit more picky but he deleted also a lot of videos and stuff in the ICO days that he said were good and turned out to be scam.

You mean that the posted image of me is blurry? If you click on it, the direct link to postimg.cc should open, there you can see the image clean and readable in any case.

But basically you're right: It's about the fact that a DeFi project would have paid a lot of money (500k) for Tone to promote this project among his followers so that they would buy and drive the price up. Tone then posted the request publicly under the title "How DeFi works".

That's what they'll do if they can review back those projects that they've helped and advertised that paid them much. And today, there's always the disclaimer from these popular influencers.

Do they really do that? I honestly only know it now from Coinbureau, who weeks before he reviews a coin, already announces that but does not give an exact date to avoid short-term pumps by his reviews.

[leea-1334]

I cannot read the thing,,, too blurry for my eyes. But if I am not mistaken Tone Vays himself is a big shiller/influencer. You can pay him to say whatever you want him to say. Now he is rich and he is a bit more picky but he deleted also a lot of videos and stuff in the ICO days that he said were good and turned out to be scam.

That's what they'll do if they can review back those projects that they've helped and advertised that paid them much. And today, there's always the disclaimer from these popular influencers.

But if some don't choose to have the disclaimer then probably that's part of the contract that they shouldn't disclose anything related to the deal and to the advertisement that they're going to do with such video when they use the platform and experience to gamble on their own.

Disclaimers are bullshit,,, they know the effect they have on their fans.

But you know what I say? I say if you believe in influencers making money from you and who care nothing about the real people and what happens to them, then maybe you deserve to get scammed by the people you love to follow.

[livingfree]

That's what they'll do if they can review back those projects that they've helped and advertised that paid them much. And today, there's always the disclaimer from these popular influencers.

Do they really do that? I honestly only know it now from Coinbureau, who weeks before he reviews a coin, already announces that but does not give an exact date to avoid short-term pumps by his reviews.

I see some that do it and that's to protect themselves from bashing and they all say that "we are sponsored by".

Disclaimers are bullshit,,, they know the effect they have on their fans.

But you know what I say? I say if you believe in influencers making money from you and who care nothing about the real people and what happens to them, then maybe you deserve to get scammed by the people you love to follow.

Tell it to them not on me. 

Why will he review the projects he helped when he already knew that from the start.

There were projects that seems to be good at the start not until they reveal themselves as evil when they've much investors already.

[dunfida]

I cannot read the thing,,, too blurry for my eyes. But if I am not mistaken Tone Vays himself is a big shiller/influencer. You can pay him to say whatever you want him to say. Now he is rich and he is a bit more picky but he deleted also a lot of videos and stuff in the ICO days that he said were good and turned out to be scam.

That's what they'll do if they can review back those projects that they've helped and advertised that paid them much. And today, there's always the disclaimer from these popular influencers.

But if some don't choose to have the disclaimer then probably that's part of the contract that they shouldn't disclose anything related to the deal and to the advertisement that they're going to do with such video when they use the platform and experience to gamble on their own.

Disclaimers are bullshit,,, they know the effect they have on their fans.

But you know what I say? I say if you believe in influencers making money from you and who care nothing about the real people and what happens to them, then maybe you deserve to get scammed by the people you love to follow.

Fascinated that much or idolized into a certain extent on where you thinking had been affected or simply your common sense had been badly influenced which would result into those dumb decisions
on following even if its obvious that they are quite deceiving. If you do know this since from the start but you did just ignore just because youre an avid fan or supported
then getting hooked would really be next in line. You would play but ending up on having different results or outcomes. Luck cant really be passed on
and if you do believe about that bullshit then you'll surely whine later on.

[bitterguy28]

The argument they provide is as follow, ''we are entertainers/performers''. This need to be stopped. I am creating this thread to discuss such issues and to warn other new comers about the potential loss. If you have found such streamers please post here so that it can be helpful for new players to make realistic decisions.

Old members should remind new players of this manipulation, many gambling sites popular and new gambling sites are using this strategy it's effective for new players but for old players they know it's not possible and only a gimmick to entice new players to bet more and try their luck in hitting the jackpot, they want all the money that you have, to gamble and try your luck and motivate you that you will end up what you are seeing on Youtube.

gambling is about losing then best to stay away from gambling if you don't wanna lose because ghambling sites will do everything just to lure players and even if they Mislead or fool people at some time.
Even large site or smaller there are some like this happening so lets not be so rattle because in the end of the day? it is our decision that will matters all.

[michellee]

The argument they provide is as follow, ''we are entertainers/performers''. This need to be stopped. I am creating this thread to discuss such issues and to warn other new comers about the potential loss. If you have found such streamers please post here so that it can be helpful for new players to make realistic decisions.

Old members should remind new players of this manipulation, many gambling sites popular and new gambling sites are using this strategy it's effective for new players but for old players they know it's not possible and only a gimmick to entice new players to bet more and try their luck in hitting the jackpot, they want all the money that you have, to gamble and try your luck and motivate you that you will end up what you are seeing on Youtube.

gambling is about losing then best to stay away from gambling if you don't wanna lose because ghambling sites will do everything just to lure players and even if they Mislead or fool people at some time.
Even large site or smaller there are some like this happening so lets not be so rattle because in the end of the day? it is our decision that will matters all.

The casino will attract the gambler to come back to their place by giving them interesting offers because they see that way still be the good way to get them back. If you can not control yourself, you will be back to that place without thinking about how much you will lose. Even if the old player always reminds the new player not to play gambling often, that is their decision because that is their money and we do not know what they want to do with their money. Maybe we need to take care of our money while suggesting the new player not playing gambling too often.

[zanezane]

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Expectation vs Reality?

This is mostly true and its up to someone if they could take it or not.When it comes to marketing then these things arent really that new.

It isnt immoral because its clear that most funds been used are sponsored by the house or company.Its part of the strategy or marketing for them to get players.

If you do find it to be immoral then you can choose nor decide for yourself.

Well, if you aren't living in a country that doesn't actively punishes advertisers that deceive the people by making exaggerated product placements on their product/services then you have to just roll with it since they are just doing their job and that's what their school have taught them. I don't find it immoral since everyone has to look good so the first impression is good, I can't blame them for that.

[Reatim]

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This is where you can test a player if he is a new one or an old gambler, old gamblers do not fall into this kind of publicity stunt, they know the truth, they know that this is a promotional stunt to entice gamblers to play all their money, you cannot stop these gambling sites to hire these Youtubers to create videos like this, it's a win-win situation for both of them, but the gamblers end up losing here.

Seems like you're over criticizing that kind of promotions backed up by those casinos.. Yes there are videos that probably are made for "stunts" to just make the viewers believe that this casino is paying even large bets in which, at the end, there will be no cash outs that happened. On the otherhand, there are really players who just make videos just to be their content, sometimes their videos are sponsored tho.

Gambling enthusiast Loves to make stories about gambling even if they are being paid or not, meaning yeah at some point they are being hired but sometimes they do it for their own belief in that specific site.
Like me who will be willing to offer my skills for the site i love most (But of course not to the extent that i will mislead or lie to people) like what I am doing now on my Banner that i am wearing for months now.

[leea-1334]

But you know what I say? I say if you believe in influencers making money from you and who care nothing about the real people and what happens to them, then maybe you deserve to get scammed by the people you love to follow.

Fascinated that much or idolized into a certain extent on where you thinking had been affected or simply your common sense had been badly influenced which would result into those dumb decisions
on following even if its obvious that they are quite deceiving. If you do know this since from the start but you did just ignore just because youre an avid fan or supported
then getting hooked would really be next in line. You would play but ending up on having different results or outcomes. Luck cant really be passed on
and if you do believe about that bullshit then you'll surely whine later on.

I do not really go on social media much because of this, to see how people have almost no common sense,,, you see the worst of people who only give opinions and share bad opinions. Popularity is the only goal,,, nobody really gives a shit about truth or logic. There is little question it is all self serving and narcissistic.

So I still say, if you really do not want to use your brains then maybe you deserve to get scammed my immoral marketing.

[goaldigger]

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Expectation vs Reality?

This is mostly true and its up to someone if they could take it or not.When it comes to marketing then these things arent really that new.

It isnt immoral because its clear that most funds been used are sponsored by the house or company.Its part of the strategy or marketing for them to get players.

If you do find it to be immoral then you can choose nor decide for yourself.

Well, if you aren't living in a country that doesn't actively punishes advertisers that deceive the people by making exaggerated product placements on their product/services then you have to just roll with it since they are just doing their job and that's what their school have taught them. I don't find it immoral since everyone has to look good so the first impression is good, I can't blame them for that.

If its against your belief, you'll always have your choice to leave and just play online without visiting the live room again.
Its their job and they are being paid for that and seriously, that kind of market works for every casinos since they keep on doing that and they spend a lot of money for that strategy, there's no one to blame because its legal and not immoral for me.

[just_Alice]

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Expectation vs Reality?

This is mostly true and its up to someone if they could take it or not.When it comes to marketing then these things arent really that new.

It isnt immoral because its clear that most funds been used are sponsored by the house or company.Its part of the strategy or marketing for them to get players.

If you do find it to be immoral then you can choose nor decide for yourself.

Well, if you aren't living in a country that doesn't actively punishes advertisers that deceive the people by making exaggerated product placements on their product/services then you have to just roll with it since they are just doing their job and that's what their school have taught them. I don't find it immoral since everyone has to look good so the first impression is good, I can't blame them for that.

If its against your belief, you'll always have your choice to leave and just play online without visiting the live room again.
Its their job and they are being paid for that and seriously, that kind of market works for every casinos since they keep on doing that and they spend a lot of money for that strategy, there's no one to blame because its legal and not immoral for me.

To make it completely not immoral they should be saying, in the beginning, and in the end of their stream, something in the style of a smoking warnings. Or, if their streaming session is a long one, those warnings should be voiced somewhere in the middle too. People should be reminded all the time that mathematically they are more likely to lose than win. (After reading delfastTions's reply to my post and some other posts, I realized that saying it was deceived people's own fault was too harsh).

[Fatunad]

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Expectation vs Reality?

This is mostly true and its up to someone if they could take it or not.When it comes to marketing then these things arent really that new.

It isnt immoral because its clear that most funds been used are sponsored by the house or company.Its part of the strategy or marketing for them to get players.

If you do find it to be immoral then you can choose nor decide for yourself.

Well, if you aren't living in a country that doesn't actively punishes advertisers that deceive the people by making exaggerated product placements on their product/services then you have to just roll with it since they are just doing their job and that's what their school have taught them. I don't find it immoral since everyone has to look good so the first impression is good, I can't blame them for that.

If its against your belief, you'll always have your choice to leave and just play online without visiting the live room again.
Its their job and they are being paid for that and seriously, that kind of market works for every casinos since they keep on doing that and they spend a lot of money for that strategy, there's no one to blame because its legal and not immoral for me.

To make it completely not immoral they should be saying, in the beginning, and in the end of their stream, something in the style of a smoking warnings. Or, if their streaming session is a long one, those warnings should be voiced somewhere in the middle too. People should be reminded all the time that mathematically they are more likely to lose than win. (After reading delfastTions's reply to my post and some other posts, I realized that saying it was deceived people's own fault was too harsh).

This is already depending on the management if they would really order the influencer to say up things at first that those are sponsored ones but i doubt that
they would do that because its a bit loss of excitement if viewers does know that theres nothing to lose on the streamer itself when he plays which
means they do expect that he wont really be affected that much because its not his money that being spent.

[aioc]

Some of you guys must have watched high stake slot players in their pajamas rolling thousands of dollars in single spin, buying hundred of thousands worth of bonus spins. If you notice closely yo will found the same pattern all over again and again. They start with loosing most of their bank roll (almost 80-90%), and then going all in at last and guess what, bingo!!! they hit hundreds of thousands of dollars. Very few of them write in their stream discerption about rolling with fake money (or money of which they can only cash out like 1%). Almost all of them scream loudly and show us that they are winning it in real, some are very good at faking it, which attracts lots of new gamblers (with false expectations) and they end up loosing it all which ultimately leads to social disharmony.
The argument they provide is as follow, ''we are entertainers/performers''. This need to be stopped. I am creating this thread to discuss such issues and to warn other new comers about the potential loss. If you have found such streamers please post here so that it can be helpful for new players to make realistic decisions.

Now they know but it's been the practice to try to excite people to play the game by showing something like this, you are a gambler you should know that it's a luck-based game and your luck is very much different from other gamblers, and you should know that it's a promotional video and full of gimmickry, even a newbie should know this because it's not only in the gambling site that this marketing strategy is being employed, so get into the reality.