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After reading the entire discussion (which popped out of nowhere after a long time), I decided to join the discussion again. The problem precisely is about the structures or moral values which are permitted through blind greed. ''Squid games are not immoral if everything is fair inside the system.'' This is exactly what blind greedy capitalism wants to promote. The question is not about it is fair or not, It is about the morality of it and what kind of patterns of behavior it can give rise to? Blaming an individual's due diligence is cover under which multi-million dollar unregulated, greed-oriented casinos can go off propagating such moral codes.
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December 10, 2021, 09:40:17 PM |
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I believe such strategies may work with newbies and naive gamblers, but once these people realize the real nature of the marketing, they will most likely disgust it, and it's not interesting for any casinos to disappoint experienced/veteran gamblers, because these are the ones who most spend money on their platforms.
So it is precisely such novice players and simply naive people that this advertisement is designed for. These are the players who bring the most profit, since they almost always lose. Look, for example, how many naive teenagers there are in the world who have just seen such an advertisement, and their age already allows them to gamble themselves. It is on such that these are designed, as the OP correctly notes, immoral ways of advertising. They are mostly the victims of this kind of advertisement. the sole target of marketing, those kinds of people who are unaware of those stuff are the one that bring decent profits inside the house, it's designed to bring people's interest hoping to do the same. Without proper knowledge of what they are dealing with, they will lose money and continue repeating the same thing. For people who do get such experience then they would be aware on next time which simply means that they wouldnt really make themselves to be fooled again with those kind of advertisement since they do have the experience on the first hand. This is the time you would be telling things to people since you are aware and this is what we are saying now specially into those noobs. Honestly, our own self will would be enough on minding us that there are things which isnt right or something deceptive.
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December 10, 2021, 09:47:40 PM |
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So it's almost a real-time war between big casino brands. Most are trying to capture that new gambler market, and try to be the one who will produce the most money for casinos. I'm not a big fan of fake youtube streamers and I don't follow them, but I'm guessing many new players do. In fact, I think a significant part of the interaction between newbies and casino games is via these youtube streamers. I feel this marketing strategy is making it's way into gaming promotions, and we will continue to see casino brands try to attract newbies in this way.
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December 11, 2021, 05:03:55 AM |
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So it's almost a real-time war between big casino brands. Most are trying to capture that new gambler market, and try to be the one who will produce the most money for casinos. I'm not a big fan of fake youtube streamers and I don't follow them, but I'm guessing many new players do. In fact, I think a significant part of the interaction between newbies and casino games is via these youtube streamers. I feel this marketing strategy is making it's way into gaming promotions, and we will continue to see casino brands try to attract newbies in this way.
Just because it has always happened doesn't mean that it needs to continue, nor does it mean that it is acceptable. I just think that it is completely ridiculous that one is able to have the full faith and backing of the casino while acting like as if they are actually playing with their own money to give the appearance that making money is easy on a certain site. The dramatic edits certainly don't help their cause either.
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December 11, 2021, 03:14:31 PM |
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I agree, a lot of these so-called influencers do this kind of fake marketing and it should be punished by law, in my opinion. It would seem to me that these kind of people have learned a trick or two from the "day-trading" influencers who "teach" people how to do technical analysis and how to make daily profits by selling them a course they have to pay a fee for.
We really need laws so people won't do this crap.
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December 11, 2021, 05:58:31 PM |
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I believe such strategies may work with newbies and naive gamblers, but once these people realize the real nature of the marketing, they will most likely disgust it, and it's not interesting for any casinos to disappoint experienced/veteran gamblers, because these are the ones who most spend money on their platforms.
So it is precisely such novice players and simply naive people that this advertisement is designed for. These are the players who bring the most profit, since they almost always lose. Look, for example, how many naive teenagers there are in the world who have just seen such an advertisement, and their age already allows them to gamble themselves. It is on such that these are designed, as the OP correctly notes, immoral ways of advertising. They are mostly the victims of this kind of advertisement. the sole target of marketing, those kinds of people who are unaware of those stuff are the one that bring decent profits inside the house, it's designed to bring people's interest hoping to do the same. Without proper knowledge of what they are dealing with, they will lose money and continue repeating the same thing. For people who do get such experience then they would be aware on next time which simply means that they wouldnt really make themselves to be fooled again with those kind of advertisement since they do have the experience on the first hand. This is the time you would be telling things to people since you are aware and this is what we are saying now specially into those noobs. Honestly, our own self will would be enough on minding us that there are things which isnt right or something deceptive. That is why I think it's a dumb marketing strategy. People who get fooled won't quit gambling for that reason, they will just quit the streamers channels and platforms which fooled them through a deceiving marketing approach and use their money to bet in another casinos which they consider more transparent. Maybe on short run it's not a visible fact, but on long run it will be, because the marketing will start becoming saturated and its bad reputation will reach even the newbiest gamblers in the industry, just like streets scams aren't so popular nowadays because everyone is so aware about them.
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December 11, 2021, 06:47:23 PM |
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I agree, a lot of these so-called influencers do this kind of fake marketing and it should be punished by law, in my opinion. It would seem to me that these kind of people have learned a trick or two from the "day-trading" influencers who "teach" people how to do technical analysis and how to make daily profits by selling them a course they have to pay a fee for.
We really need laws so people won't do this crap.
I strongly believe that "day-trading" influencers has a very good relevance about these paid streamers on casino. The two are different matters. I also initially know that these streamers are paid by the casino to advertise the casino (of course) however they do not force people to play, in the end it's ourselves to decide whether we play or not to play to that casino that is being advertised.
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December 11, 2021, 09:03:55 PM |
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So it's almost a real-time war between big casino brands. Most are trying to capture that new gambler market, and try to be the one who will produce the most money for casinos. I'm not a big fan of fake youtube streamers and I don't follow them, but I'm guessing many new players do. In fact, I think a significant part of the interaction between newbies and casino games is via these youtube streamers. I feel this marketing strategy is making it's way into gaming promotions, and we will continue to see casino brands try to attract newbies in this way.
It is mostly the newbies in gambling that falls for the trap of listening to fake youtube influencers who are just after the money they will get in promoting gambling site, even with the game mindset. I think it is very important for newbies to look at what they want and where they can get good direction to what they want.
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December 12, 2021, 05:55:45 AM |
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I agree, a lot of these so-called influencers do this kind of fake marketing and it should be punished by law, in my opinion. It would seem to me that these kind of people have learned a trick or two from the "day-trading" influencers who "teach" people how to do technical analysis and how to make daily profits by selling them a course they have to pay a fee for.
We really need laws so people won't do this crap.
it is not new , since the world of Internet covered the whole advertising community things like this pop up and now dominates the whole system,they are fooling people from fake and not so true advertising just to lure them believing what is a Lie than reality. but this does not mean that the site they are promoting is totally scam or not legit because we have known the involved site for long and they are truthful to the players and there are no big issues arise against them for thos years.
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December 12, 2021, 10:57:03 AM |
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I agree, a lot of these so-called influencers do this kind of fake marketing and it should be punished by law, in my opinion. It would seem to me that these kind of people have learned a trick or two from the "day-trading" influencers who "teach" people how to do technical analysis and how to make daily profits by selling them a course they have to pay a fee for.
We really need laws so people won't do this crap.
it is not new , since the world of Internet covered the whole advertising community things like this pop up and now dominates the whole system,they are fooling people from fake and not so true advertising just to lure them believing what is a Lie than reality. but this does not mean that the site they are promoting is totally scam or not legit because we have known the involved site for long and they are truthful to the players and there are no big issues arise against them for thos years. The issue isn't in them promoting a certain site or certain activities. The issue is that they lie about the methods of making money because it makes their promotion look better. Some even rent lambos or make fake luxury posts on social media sites. The idea is to make their viewers think that their fake methods work and it made them rich. This is never true and is always a lie. Thats the problem.
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December 13, 2021, 10:19:44 AM |
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I agree, a lot of these so-called influencers do this kind of fake marketing and it should be punished by law, in my opinion. It would seem to me that these kind of people have learned a trick or two from the "day-trading" influencers who "teach" people how to do technical analysis and how to make daily profits by selling them a course they have to pay a fee for.
We really need laws so people won't do this crap.
I strongly believe that "day-trading" influencers has a very good relevance about these paid streamers on casino. The two are different matters. I also initially know that these streamers are paid by the casino to advertise the casino (of course) however they do not force people to play, in the end it's ourselves to decide whether we play or not to play to that casino that is being advertised. streamers are not only paid by casinos to advertise their platforms but also exchanges and crypto projects.all these influencers make a lots of money by advertising and promoting casinos to people that watch their video. It is only newbies and people who do not how it works, that will fall for such cheap approach. I don't allow things like this move me. Always alert!
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~ There is no problem with content creators trying to make some money through views or partneships with casinos, but it should be a must to let it very clear to the audience, so everyone knows what is going on and what are the real intentions of the respective video in exhibition. When nobody feels like being lured or tricked, the marketing campaign works much more efficiently on long run.
If it wasnt working on the first place then we wont really be seeing it to be used in todays era or situation which we are seeing the opposite.When it comes to marketing then these would be the primary mediums on where companies would allocate some budget on because we are on a digital era which its sensible for them to have on this method. ~ Whether an advertisement is working or not is hard to say, especially when you advertise in many places simultaneously. Big companies, slot providers in this case, normally spend as much as they can and more on advertisement, not because they want to expand, and make even more money, but because they want to stay afloat. "If you don't grow, you die", this kind of thing. So they pay big money to popular internet people to stream playing on their slots. It isnt just that ethical if they would really be making those decieving kind of advertisement because they would know that it will really backfire on them.
As for advertisers or influencers had made out their own personal choice on altering something then thats a personal problem of course. I've seen a lot of such streams, and I don't think they are altering anything there. What they are doing is showing "the most interesting moments", and of course it's about big wins. No one wants to see someone losing constantly. It's boring. From an ethical standpoint it's not wrong as long as they are not saying something like "You are guaranteed to win big money(or any money) on this slot!". But if they are just showing lucky moments, you have to be a fool to think that there are no others.
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December 13, 2021, 02:59:10 PM |
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From an ethical standpoint it's not wrong as long as they are not saying something like "You are guaranteed to win big money(or any money) on this slot!". But if they are just showing lucky moments, you have to be a fool to think that there are no others.
You cannot use the word guaranteed to win, once you said that while advertising a casino, you lose your reputation and you're just fooling around, the TOS of all casinos clearly stated that there's no guaranty in gambling and you should only play what you can afford to lose, they can shill coin as long as at the end of the advertisement they will issue a warning on the reality of gambling.
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I didn't know that there is something like that happening in gambling(I mean streaming gambling). We don't really know if it is scripted or what but they are also playing just like us and it is a gamble or game of chance so they might just hit it at some point. Just remember that even if they could win huge profit in gambling not everyone could do it, Just because it seems easy when they do it doesn't mean that it is really easy to do.
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December 13, 2021, 04:50:40 PM |
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Each gambling sites has their own strategy no matter how bad or good it is as long as they attract more players. Fake advertisements are everywhere because honestly, they wouldn't create ads that will discourage their players. Lots of streamers are also taking advantage of this opportunity and what we just need to do is just to be skeptical and be wise in choosing a good site and game.
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turn around you , check all the sites that operates online and you will find that more than half of them are having this kind of strategy in their own ways , they might not looks like immoral but if you dig deeper then you'll find their Immorality .
This is common now mate , just be careful in your playing and in your choosing of site, if you are not comfortable then move on to other site, easy as that.
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Everyone knows that the people are paid actors and at the same time wagering does not give you a 100% profit and therefore even if you do find these advertising copious even then you can't do anything about it since it's your decision that counts. Even if you are winning in streaks, you can choose to stop and encash in some games. I did find that hard to do but you might end up with profits and you can continue playing with the initial investment as well. Sites that are operating online, the online gambling casinos generally has a whole section where you can check their games if they are fair or not which does help some players to trust them as well. As for me I go for trusted casinos and I don't let me get into the whole web where you loose continuously hoping to win. It's all about you !
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Everyone knows that the people are paid actors and at the same time wagering does not give you a 100% profit and therefore even if you do find these advertising copious even then you can't do anything about it since it's your decision that counts. Even if you are winning in streaks, you can choose to stop and encash in some games. I did find that hard to do but you might end up with profits and you can continue playing with the initial investment as well. Sites that are operating online, the online gambling casinos generally has a whole section where you can check their games if they are fair or not which does help some players to trust them as well. As for me I go for trusted casinos and I don't let me get into the whole web where you loose continuously hoping to win. It's all about you !
Here you touch on a very important point, I have noticed by following some YouTubers who do what you say, and the worst thing is that they give investment advice in a project that soon becomes scam, then they compromise their reputation which is very difficult to get for money because they offer you some who are in charge of projects of this style, this is sad because they can make you lose money and at the same time you lose a possible influencer. In these cases, it is very common to see them on YouTube and on twitch and what they achieve is that they lose all kinds of trust.
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lienfaye
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December 15, 2021, 03:47:24 AM |
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Each gambling sites has their own strategy no matter how bad or good it is as long as they attract more players. Fake advertisements are everywhere because honestly, they wouldn't create ads that will discourage their players. Lots of streamers are also taking advantage of this opportunity and what we just need to do is just to be skeptical and be wise in choosing a good site and game.
Well its quite common now, not all you see is true. Thats why if you gamble dont have high expectation that you'll also win big just like what you see in their advertisement. Use your common sense because its gambling and losing your money is always present and often inevitable. Thus ask yourself many times if you can bear losing your money before playing since you cant turn back time once you lose it.
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December 15, 2021, 05:22:27 AM |
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Everyone knows that the people are paid actors and at the same time wagering does not give you a 100% profit and therefore even if you do find these advertising copious even then you can't do anything about it since it's your decision that counts. Even if you are winning in streaks, you can choose to stop and encash in some games. I did find that hard to do but you might end up with profits and you can continue playing with the initial investment as well. Sites that are operating online, the online gambling casinos generally has a whole section where you can check their games if they are fair or not which does help some players to trust them as well. As for me I go for trusted casinos and I don't let me get into the whole web where you loose continuously hoping to win. It's all about you !
Here you touch on a very important point, I have noticed by following some YouTubers who do what you say, and the worst thing is that they give investment advice in a project that soon becomes scam, then they compromise their reputation which is very difficult to get for money because they offer you some who are in charge of projects of this style, this is sad because they can make you lose money and at the same time you lose a possible influencer. In these cases, it is very common to see them on YouTube and on twitch and what they achieve is that they lose all kinds of trust. Negative side for influencers who engage in a company that also deceives them. They both ruin thier reputation for deceiving people to invest in them, the influencer doesn't deserve to be an influencer for not investigating much of the project or casino they tried promoting, and maybe the influencer only cares for the fees he gets from the sponsors he has. We have seen lots of immoral marketing in crypto but if these companies find it effective in making money, they will continue to do it. Since they can always recreate sham casinos over and over.
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