Russian vs Foreign Companies

[Renampun]

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as I have said above, and in essence it is done to control movement which is considered a suspicious action.

That's the pattern, and I think Russia had a plan like this from the start. where full access can be controlled. No wonder the war between the allied nations has shown each other their superiority.

quite excessive if the Russian government wants to supervise the citizens there 'lol'...
It is clear that Russia wants to follow in the footsteps of China, which wants to prioritize their software which is used by the majority there. *that's the country that still adheres to communism

[batang_bitcoin]

The government wants to track every single device that's being owned by their citizen. That's just the same in China CMIIW, that they can track every single device there but without even installing software because they're into the hardware which is being produced in their country. And why others are worried about it because they do it to track and sees it as national threat for other countries because they can do surveillance through those devices.

looks like that, they do the tracking and also increase the competition as @stompix said.

Not about increasing the competition but removing it. When the state starts to control and do things like this on devices, that's one thing for sure and everyone have learnt it through China's policy and surveillance which has been effective. You see some security issues that has been discussed since long time ago about the devices that's manufactured there and controlled by the state. Companies there are cooperating with the likes of the government so they add whatever they want to be added.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Russia now requires all smart devices — including phones, computers, and TVs — in the country to have Russian software preinstalled, in what some locals have called a "law against Apple".
The law applies to all devices produced in the country from Thursday onwards. Reuters reported that Russia viewed it as a way to help Russian software companies compete with international ones.
The outlet added that the law had been an issue for Apple and that it had become known as "the law against Apple."

source....

I don't know whether this is good or bad for selling smartphones or software in Russia, This is the sales of smartphones in Russia according to statista....

what is certain, that smartphone provider must adjust to this rule.  do you think this is a good step to increase Russia's competitiveness against foreign countries that we know are the US?  or this is a bad move that will slow down Russia's competitiveness!

There are some who cannot ban, and it is "the best technological option". I do not know what Russian software is like, but it does not escape the reality of Venezuela, they think in a similar way, in the small laptops that were given to children and young people by the government for educational training, the software was Linux, and when it They tried to install Windows had a patch that did not allow it, but if you do some tricks you can install Windows having Linux pre-installed, it is similar to what happens in Russia, you will find a way to skip that pre-installation of technology, people will always prefer it better.

What they do is not bad either, at least they believe in their technology and that is good, although competing with Apple is something difficult to beat because they are unique in their style.

[eaLiTy]

I don't know whether this is good or bad for selling smartphones or software in Russia, This is the sales of smartphones in Russia according to statista....

what is certain, that smartphone provider must adjust to this rule.  do you think this is a good step to increase Russia's competitiveness against foreign countries that we know are the US?  or this is a bad move that will slow down Russia's competitiveness!

This is not a positive sign as we are aware that the smart phones are the worst when it comes to personal privacy and if a government wants to install preinstalled software and make them mandatory then one thing is certain that the government wants to monitor everything that is happening with you and they will be collecting all the data directly, earlier the government will have our data through private parties and that is how most countries function and it looks like Russia wants to collect them directly.

[Husires]

governments solve problems by the stupid short way they can force users to install applications and no one force them to use them.
only users dowload by real incentives to use these applications, all the solutions provided are considered useless.
The TikTok app succeeded in achieving leadership in downloads, and no one was forced to download it.
it can be done by motivating Russian developers and thinking instead of a policy of coercion and imposition.

[bryant.coleman]

I have mixed feelings about this move. On one hand, I have to say that this particular move will hinder free-market and competition, by giving an advantage to the Russian software firms. But on the other hand, Russia is under sanctions from US and some of the other Western nations, and they are perfectly justified if they want to discourage their citizens from using software from companies which are based in these Western nations. Russian companies such as Gazprom are being denied a level playing field, so I can understand the move from the Russian government.

[Theb]

Just for everyone to be aware about versions/models of the same product. This is more prevalent to mobile phones and all you need to know is that there will always be Global and Native versions for that kind of Cellphone and this versions will vary from each country including the pre-installed apps you will have depending on what version you will get. One of the most popular examples out there is the mobile manufacturer like Xiaomi where it has a native version as well as a global version and their apps vary depending on what version you have. I believe this will be the same for Russia's requirement for the help of their own software developers. Chinese brands have done this with their phones like including Alipay, Alibaba, and WeChat in their phones as it is one of the most used services out there. I think this is what Russia is striving for in what they are doing right now.

[Findingnemo]

Russia now requires all smart devices — including phones, computers, and TVs — in the country to have Russian software preinstalled, in what some locals have called a "law against Apple".
The law applies to all devices produced in the country from Thursday onwards. Reuters reported that Russia viewed it as a way to help Russian software companies compete with international ones.
The outlet added that the law had been an issue for Apple and that it had become known as "the law against Apple."

source....

I don't know whether this is good or bad for selling smartphones or software in Russia, This is the sales of smartphones in Russia according to statista....

what is certain, that smartphone provider must adjust to this rule.  do you think this is a good step to increase Russia's competitiveness against foreign countries that we know are the US?  or this is a bad move that will slow down Russia's competitiveness!

If this law was already passed then smartphone companies have no choices other than accepting it or moving their brands out of the country. I am not sure what kind of app they wanted to install but its not going to be good for the user side since now government itself wants to monitor their people without any help from the third party apps so Russians move to keypad cellular phones.

[Kong Hey Pakboy]

I have mixed feelings about this move. On one hand, I have to say that this particular move will hinder free-market and competition, by giving an advantage to the Russian software firms. But on the other hand, Russia is under sanctions from US and some of the other Western nations, and they are perfectly justified if they want to discourage their citizens from using software from companies which are based in these Western nations. Russian companies such as Gazprom are being denied a level playing field, so I can understand the move from the Russian government.

How would it hinder free market and competition though? I get that this discourages the Western companies but that doesn't mean that they will comply, they can just make a Russian version of the device if they need to. It's not that Western countries are trying cripple Russia, the wounds of Cold War is still lingering.

[jostorres]

I don't know whether this is good or bad for selling smartphones or software in Russia, This is the sales of smartphones in Russia according to statista....

what is certain, that smartphone provider must adjust to this rule.  do you think this is a good step to increase Russia's competitiveness against foreign countries that we know are the US?  or this is a bad move that will slow down Russia's competitiveness!

So the software they are talking about is a software that is owned by the Russian government? How will having one software in phones that are being sold in the same country increase their competitiveness against other countries when the devices are only being sold in their country and also used by their citizens?

I guess they just want to be tracking their citizens and be able to have some records and things like that. For me, I wouldn’t really like that, I will prefer that they allow companies to just produce and sell their phones and other devices with the company’s apps only, and as for any other software, it should be based on the interest of the users and nothing more, people shouldn’t be forced to use anything.

[davis196]

Why do I assume that this "Russian software" is going to be some sort of spyware.
Every country has the right to protect it's economy from foreign monopolies,but such type of protectionism isn't going to work.Can the Russian government control what software is installed on every smartphone device owned by a Russian citizen?I don't think so.
Smartphones can be rooted and the software that was installed on them can be deleted or modified.

[Argoo]

Russia now requires all smart devices — including phones, computers, and TVs — in the country to have Russian software preinstalled, in what some locals have called a "law against Apple".
The law applies to all devices produced in the country from Thursday onwards. Reuters reported that Russia viewed it as a way to help Russian software companies compete with international ones.
The outlet added that the law had been an issue for Apple and that it had become known as "the law against Apple."

source....

I don't know whether this is good or bad for selling smartphones or software in Russia, This is the sales of smartphones in Russia according to statista....

what is certain, that smartphone provider must adjust to this rule.  do you think this is a good step to increase Russia's competitiveness against foreign countries that we know are the US?  or this is a bad move that will slow down Russia's competitiveness!

In fact, the Russian government is taking next steps towards self-isolation from the outside world. Recently, Putin and his government have been leading this country to a quick catastrophe, seeking to resist the whole world by force. If Russia does not provoke a third world war, which will lead to its death, then the fall of the economy, and possibly territorial disintegration, cannot be avoided. Against the background of these global problems, the problem of Russian software on smart technical devices seems to be a trifle. In Russia, it is also high time to switch to using its own cars, clothes, household appliances, and so on. So that later it does not look like a shock.

[Mauser]

Russia now requires all smart devices — including phones, computers, and TVs — in the country to have Russian software preinstalled, in what some locals have called a "law against Apple".
The law applies to all devices produced in the country from Thursday onwards. Reuters reported that Russia viewed it as a way to help Russian software companies compete with international ones.
The outlet added that the law had been an issue for Apple and that it had become known as "the law against Apple."

source....

I don't know whether this is good or bad for selling smartphones or software in Russia, This is the sales of smartphones in Russia according to statista....

what is certain, that smartphone provider must adjust to this rule.  do you think this is a good step to increase Russia's competitiveness against foreign countries that we know are the US?  or this is a bad move that will slow down Russia's competitiveness!

Forcing companies to use a certain number of local products can always lead to problems. It might be easier for the government to control it, but its no guarantee for success. Companies usually choose software which works best for them, having the government now forcing the companies changes that. The software developers also might become less competitive.

[bryant.coleman]

How would it hinder free market and competition though? I get that this discourages the Western companies but that doesn't mean that they will comply, they can just make a Russian version of the device if they need to. It's not that Western countries are trying cripple Russia, the wounds of Cold War is still lingering.

Well.... I don't know whether it is as simple as that (the foreign companies can get away by making a Russian version of the software). But the truth is that cold war is far from over and after a brief lull, it has re-emerged as a fill-blown proxy war between the West (US and it's NATO allies) on the one side and the East (Russia, China and their allies such as DPRK and Vietnam) on the other side. I won't be surprised if the situation results in military confrontation, similar to what happened in Donbass.

[macson]

Why do I assume that this "Russian software" is going to be some sort of spyware.
Every country has the right to protect it's economy from foreign monopolies,but such type of protectionism isn't going to work.Can the Russian government control what software is installed on every smartphone device owned by a Russian citizen?I don't think so.
Smartphones can be rooted and the software that was installed on them can be deleted or modified.

can not be denied, it is a kind of spyware....if Russian government really want to grow love for domestic products then you don't have to force it like that.  countries that still have a bit of communist ideology will not be separated from "spying the citizens".  

Chinese and Russian technological developments are completely different, China may be successful in doing this to its citizens but Russia is not necessarily able to do that.

[Silberman]

Russia now requires all smart devices — including phones, computers, and TVs — in the country to have Russian software preinstalled, in what some locals have called a "law against Apple".
The law applies to all devices produced in the country from Thursday onwards. Reuters reported that Russia viewed it as a way to help Russian software companies compete with international ones.
The outlet added that the law had been an issue for Apple and that it had become known as "the law against Apple."

source....

I don't know whether this is good or bad for selling smartphones or software in Russia, This is the sales of smartphones in Russia according to statista....

what is certain, that smartphone provider must adjust to this rule.  do you think this is a good step to increase Russia's competitiveness against foreign countries that we know are the US?  or this is a bad move that will slow down Russia's competitiveness!

Apple has always tried to protect their hardware from external competition so they are not going to like this, but I do not really think this is going to help a lot, after all we know that now most phones and computers come with bloatware that you cannot get rid of unless you make some modifications to the host system, but Apple could make it incredibly easy for people to dispose of that software and if given the opportunity people will do it, so this is not going to help Russian companies at all.

[Sithara007]

can not be denied, it is a kind of spyware....if Russian government really want to grow love for domestic products then you don't have to force it like that.  countries that still have a bit of communist ideology will not be separated from "spying the citizens".  

Chinese and Russian technological developments are completely different, China may be successful in doing this to its citizens but Russia is not necessarily able to do that.

No need to underestimate Russian software. At least in the field of anti-virus protection and surveillance, the Russian software is much ahead of their Chinese competitors. But the fact is that Russian government doesn't have the same control over its citizens that the Chinese regime enjoys. But I don't think that this step has anything to do with spying or surveillance. The new proposal is more like a retaliation against Western sanctions.

[zanezane]

Why do I assume that this "Russian software" is going to be some sort of spyware.
Every country has the right to protect it's economy from foreign monopolies,but such type of protectionism isn't going to work.Can the Russian government control what software is installed on every smartphone device owned by a Russian citizen?I don't think so.

It's because of propaganda and that Russia is notorious in doing this kind of covert things. The problem with this one is that it invades privacy and we all know that in this day and age that privacy is a commodity that only a ver few can sought after. That is what I have thought so, I mean this is kind of taking it to the extreme.

[stompix]

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sounds creepy....we will probably see a strange device, hardware, software created by the Russian government specifically for its citizens and not avail in other countries "lol".

They've tried, twice! Failed miserably.... twice!
Smart-gift: Putin presents Chinese leader with dual-screen YotaPhone
It was a Russian phone running android, with a snapdragon processor, an LG display, and so on, marketed as something revolutionary and a total flop despite all the propaganda. But if you force it down people's throats leaving them no alternative of course your;e going to have customers.
The same for any app, it doesn't matter how much it sucks if there is no other options people will be forced to use it.

"lol" what you find there ^{(Xiaomi & oppo)}, is there some kind of worm-shaped tracking device sending signals to panda country

I had no experience with Huawei products so I can't be sure about it but it seems the bigger Xiaomi's market share becomes the more crap comes with their newer Miui, especially for Europe so I don't know if it's the CCP ordering them this or simply they are taking advantage of the situation but there used to be at maximum 10-15 of them now the list got to 30-40, the last one I cleaned was worse than my Samsung I bought from my phone company and came with their custom apps in it.

Well.... I don't know whether it is as simple as that (the foreign companies can get away by making a Russian version of the software). But the truth is that cold war is far from over and after a brief lull, it has re-emerged as a fill-blown proxy war between the West (US and it's NATO allies) on the one side and the East (Russia, China and their allies such as DPRK and Vietnam) on the other side.

 Vietnam being China's ally? Things have changed dramatically since the Vietnam war, if they are going to chose a side they are going now to chose the US, at least the US is not claiming islands from Vietnam or trying to build artificial ones close to their territorial waters.
Things are changing

[FinneysTrueVision]

At this point Russians are probably used to not having the same level of freedom as other countries so they will go along with this. I don't know if it's about making Russian companies more competitive or if they just want to have more control over their population. Giving people less choice doesn't lead to better products, it is always worse.