An alternative to Poker

[BTCLiz]

Heard off about Tong its and this just some local game and i dont know on whats the name called in other places or just be good on that particular country or local.
So it cant really be played for everyone but im bit aware with this game.When it comes to card games then there are indeed lots are existing and if you do find
out for another variety or type of game then you can choose what you want.I dont have much idea on what he particularly talks about another alternative to
poker as if each games is unique on their own or does have specific rules.

I think it's called three-player rummy and everyone could visit this site to know more about the game: https://www.wikihow.com/Play-Tongits. It involves luck and skill and I think it's par to poker in terms on how you play it. This game more often involves the decision making of the players.

Interesting, thank you very much. I will take a look into this when I find some time. What I have find so far is a statistics claiming that your game is based on 20% luck and 80% skill. I dont know if this is true or not, but I think it is definitely worth to analyse it.

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[harizen]

What I have find so far is a statistics claiming that your game is based on 20% luck and 80% skill. I dont know if this is true or not, but I think it is definitely worth to analyse it.

I will put it like 90% skill because even with bad cards, you can turn the table. I'm a hardcore tong-its player before lol and already played it several times in actual gambling. I check the link but some steps are quite different to what I used to like, max players stated was 3 but it can be played up to 4 and being a dealer doesn't have any impact on the game so no need for dice or so to choose who will be the dealer.

Not sure but maybe there are other variants of that game in other regions just as other card games.

[BTCLiz]

What I have find so far is a statistics claiming that your game is based on 20% luck and 80% skill. I dont know if this is true or not, but I think it is definitely worth to analyse it.

I will put it like 90% skill because even with bad cards, you can turn the table. I'm a hardcore tong-its player before lol and already played it several times in actual gambling. I check the link but some steps are quite different to what I used to like, max players stated was 3 but it can be played up to 4 and being a dealer doesn't have any impact on the game so no need for dice or so to choose who will be the dealer.

Not sure but maybe there are other variants of that game in other regions just as other card games.

In my opinion 90% skill is maybe already too much. Let me explain it: In chess the bad player would never play against a better opponent without a handicap. If we involve a portion of luck here (maybe just 1% steps) the likelihood increases.

But apart from that: Do you know good sites to try this game out? Any recommendations?

[goinmerry]

But apart from that: Do you know good sites to try this game out? Any recommendations?

I've never seen yet a crypto gambling site that offers a card game like tong-its, pusoy dos or Chinese poker, lucky 9, etc.

One reason I think is, it's a Person vs Person game, and catching the interest of the gamblers around is a tough challenge for the gambling sites. There will be also some doubts if all players on the table are real humans and not as a bot.

But there is an Android Game called Pusoy-Go where all those card games mentioned are being played. There's also a tournament there so overall while having fun there's also a chance to win a reward there.

[just_Alice]

What I have find so far is a statistics claiming that your game is based on 20% luck and 80% skill. I dont know if this is true or not, but I think it is definitely worth to analyse it.

I will put it like 90% skill because even with bad cards, you can turn the table. I'm a hardcore tong-its player before lol and already played it several times in actual gambling. I check the link but some steps are quite different to what I used to like, max players stated was 3 but it can be played up to 4 and being a dealer doesn't have any impact on the game so no need for dice or so to choose who will be the dealer.

Not sure but maybe there are other variants of that game in other regions just as other card games.

In my opinion 90% skill is maybe already too much. Let me explain it: In chess the bad player would never play against a better opponent without a handicap. If we involve a portion of luck here (maybe just 1% steps) the likelihood increases.

I get your idea, but chess is a 100% skill game (maybe 99% if we assume that nothing can be devoid of the element of luck), then why 90% for poker is too much?
Basically, in chess, both of the players are in the same conditions, that's why everything depends on the strategy while in poker, at the first sight, people can different cards, which is why luck plays its part too.
But in the long run, are the hands that different? It's the same cards, it's the same rules and many-many deals, so, eventually, by the end of the game, all of the players would have been in both bad and good conditions for the win, right?
And with a good amount of skill you can even win with bad cards (that's what harizen what pointing out). So I'd say it can even be higher, than 90% skill  

[STT]

Chess has no luck, no hidden elements or surprise is there and everything is about balance.   Poker is not balanced or known elements and probably is in the majority a luck event.   However I'd probably call it 50/50 on the basis you dont have to enter a hand if you start with bad cards and knowing the difference and likelihood of success is a large part of winning overall or not.   The hands are each luck really but the overall winning a tournament strategy does come down to skill and recognition of opponents so equal in both amounts.
   Chess is hard to make as a gambling situation or game, maybe if we used the pieces in a slot game that could be cool tbh

[jrrsparkles]

Actually a thread was posted in bitcointalk about pvp games : PVP Games Casino You Can Try

Check out that and you may find some interesting alternatives to poker.

[peter0425]

Hey guys,

what do yout think about a new game, which involves both luck and skill like poker? Is there already such an alternative on the market? The problem with poker is that it is already solved by algorithms. Sure, there are still some players, but not as much as in the old glory times...

Edit: I'm just regarding games that you can play PvP and not against a house-edge-casino..

Glory days is not gone, it's just happen that there are tons of casino site and casino houses opening day by day that's why the Data per site is not that high anymore.
because players are scattering in many gambling sites and houses.

[Mauser]

Chess has no luck, no hidden elements or surprise is there and everything is about balance.   Poker is not balanced or known elements and probably is in the majority a luck event.   However I'd probably call it 50/50 on the basis you dont have to enter a hand if you start with bad cards and knowing the difference and likelihood of success is a large part of winning overall or not.   The hands are each luck really but the overall winning a tournament strategy does come down to skill and recognition of opponents so equal in both amounts.
   Chess is hard to make as a gambling situation or game, maybe if we used the pieces in a slot game that could be cool tbh

I agree with you, chess is not a good format for pvp games with money involved. Like you said that there is no luck involved, we won't be able to have fair games. A grand master in chess will always beat amateurs. There is no way that a beginner can win against a chess pro. Poker that is possible because of luck. Another issue is that cheating would be a big problem in chess, a good chess computer will bear 99% of the players because all information is visible on the table.

[BTCLiz]

But apart from that: Do you know good sites to try this game out? Any recommendations?

I've never seen yet a crypto gambling site that offers a card game like tong-its, pusoy dos or Chinese poker, lucky 9, etc.

One reason I think is, it's a Person vs Person game, and catching the interest of the gamblers around is a tough challenge for the gambling sites. There will be also some doubts if all players on the table are real humans and not as a bot.

But there is an Android Game called Pusoy-Go where all those card games mentioned are being played. There's also a tournament there so overall while having fun there's also a chance to win a reward there.

And especially this is the reason why it makes so much sense to create a game with the opimal portion of luck and skill, but making it so complex that an AI or a bot cannot win against a human player. Okay, maybe at least in the short run or with the opportunity to change something in the rule seeting making algorithms useless.

[hahay]

I think all available gambling games can be used as an alternative game because it depends on the perception of each individual, for example, we are tired of playing cards or in this case playing poker and we start looking for other alternatives such as playing dice, roulette or even sportsbooks. I personally also prefer to bet in PvP if the choice is only about PvP and the house edge but unfortunately, I don't know what alternatives are out there to replace the poker you want because in black jack too if I'm not mistaken there are also PvP options which I have seen at that time but I forgot the site.

[BTCLiz]

I think all available gambling games can be used as an alternative game because it depends on the perception of each individual, for example, we are tired of playing cards or in this case playing poker and we start looking for other alternatives such as playing dice, roulette or even sportsbooks. I personally also prefer to bet in PvP if the choice is only about PvP and the house edge but unfortunately, I don't know what alternatives are out there to replace the poker you want because in black jack too if I'm not mistaken there are also PvP options which I have seen at that time but I forgot the site.

Sorry, I disagree with you. Dice, roulette and sportsbooks you have mentioned are NOT pvp so I reallly have to ask you: Did you read the OP? Your post doesnt provide any additional benefit in this discussion, we were already much further discussing REAL new alternatives with a perfect mix of strategy and luck factors.

[iTradeChips]

I see that there are more talks about the asian types of poker played in east and south east asia, also in south asia. I am curious as to whether there are also variants of poker or other card games that can be found on other parts of the world such as in Europe or the Americas also in Africa and Russia. Maybe there would be some website out there that is not popular but have the compilation of many different card games aside from poker.

[nakamura12]

I see that there are more talks about the asian types of poker played in east and south east asia, also in south asia. I am curious as to whether there are also variants of poker or other card games that can be found on other parts of the world such as in Europe or the Americas also in Africa and Russia. Maybe there would be some website out there that is not popular but have the compilation of many different card games aside from poker.

I think it is great to have that kind of gambling site that have different kinds of card game like tong its (mostly played by filipinos), poker, pusoy (chinese poker) and other card games but as far as I know, I don't know any sites like that. I even came across a thread where the op is asking if there are any gambling sites that have pusoy card game.

[uneng]

I think a possibility would be to play a PvP online game like Counter Strike and bet money on it. It could work with any game, but Counter Strike is a popular one and there are already platforms which allow you to bet in yourself while playing against other players.

I have seen this information on the forum weeks ago, but I can't remember the site mentioned right now.
If you don't like CS: GO, but are enthusiast of another online game, check if it's possible to play it against other players for real money prizes.

[BTCLiz]

I think a possibility would be to play a PvP online game like Counter Strike and bet money on it. It could work with any game, but Counter Strike is a popular one and there are already platforms which allow you to bet in yourself while playing against other players.

I have seen this information on the forum weeks ago, but I can't remember the site mentioned right now.
If you don't like CS: GO, but are enthusiast of another online game, check if it's possible to play it against other players for real money prizes.

What you are talking about is betting/gambling. Of course you are betting ON a PvP game, but actually you are just playing against a high-functional statistical machine. Also in my opinion betting can be easily manipiulated by blackmailng some people from the team and so on. Your comment is not very helpful, sorry.

[Wexnident]

In the case of a PVP game where both luck and skill are involved, then wouldn't the majority of the card games be included in it? I'm not talking about the deck of cards that we usee in poker, but rather the different types of card games that are out there such as hearthstone, shadowverse, etc. They aren't really aligned with Gambling yes, but that's because the games themselves are composed of a wide variety of cards that all players wouldn't necessarily be able to use. Not to mention that the factor of luck involved is based on 2 players only, compared to poker that has multiple playeres PLUS the cards that the dealer will set.

[BTCLiz]

In the case of a PVP game where both luck and skill are involved, then wouldn't the majority of the card games be included in it? I'm not talking about the deck of cards that we usee in poker, but rather the different types of card games that are out there such as hearthstone, shadowverse, etc. They aren't really aligned with Gambling yes, but that's because the games themselves are composed of a wide variety of cards that all players wouldn't necessarily be able to use. Not to mention that the factor of luck involved is based on 2 players only, compared to poker that has multiple playeres PLUS the cards that the dealer will set.

As far as I know 1v1 are from a game theory of point more easy to solve from an algorithm. I would love to see a massive online tournament with 100s of players battling each other with the perfect mix of luck and skill making it possible maybe to play it for a living (if you are really really good)

[Kittygalore]

This is not a gambling but it does have some sort of PVP element to it so I don't know if it's counted with your criteria, and I think this is much safer because you win something but when you lose, you don't get anything but you also don't lose. The game that I am talking about is Axie Infinity, pretty famous in my country.

[Alisha-k]

Monopoly is a cool match up for me since it has a full component of pvp But it's highly skilled and requires lots of mortgage skills and knowledge to win up this isn't just a game of luck in here it takes your skill and a little knowledge about housing management to win