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Hey guys,

what do yout think about a new game, which involves both luck and skill like poker? Is there already such an alternative on the market? The problem with poker is that it is already solved by algorithms. Sure, there are still some players, but not as much as in the old glory times...

Edit: I'm just regarding games that you can play PvP and not against a house-edge-casino.. ;)

I cant see any alternative to poker.Why would search for one if those currently existing are enough for us to get entertained or to deal with it?

Gambling games can be classified into different type its neither against with the house or PvP but we know that in PvP aspect it isnt really that
much getting some attraction on this market but rather sticking out with those against with the house type of games.For now we cant
see some unique game but we might see it in near future if someones does have its great idea.

There is always blockchain based splinterlands and alien worlds.

https://splinterlands.com/
https://alienworlds.io/

Splinterlands is a PvP browser based card game similar to pokemon, yugioh or magic the gathering. Their site hosts tournaments where money and prizes can be won(like poker). Cards double as NFTs thanks to their limited production being certified and validated by blockchain. There are also a few different exchanges/markets where cards can be bought or sold. Which opens up very small (ARB) arbitrage opportunities for those interested in trading. The same card might sell at $0.05 in one market and $0.06 in another. Which could make it possible to buy a card at $0.05. Move it to the other market and sell for $0.06 to make a small profit.

I didn't expect much but splinterlands is actually a very good game IMO.

Alien worlds I have no experience with. But plan to try later when I can.

Maybe something like this? Try giving it a look.

Blackjack.Fun
https://blackjack.fun/
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5106215.0

You can play and compete with other players here.

Almost 90% of the games you'd find around online casinos are based on house-edge. I recollect there were a few small games like that rat race, which were sort of p2p but didn't get too far as they just don't interest regular gamblers. You could definitely find a live Poker where you play against an actual player and no computer is involved and yes even the shuffling is live. Again, very uncommon scenario in gambling.

There is no way to solve exactly that you dont know the other persons cards, human skill is still probably best at this (because we can recognize each others patterns).  Chess on the other hand, I think computers have defeated the majority of human effort by sheer computational reference not AI exactly by itself.   Thing is probability theory and ways to calculate chance for an average success has been around hundreds of years, its not just computers but computers makes the whole process alot easier and assessible to the normal population.
   A chess grand master was found to be consulting a computer in the bathroom during a game vs a kid, you arent the only one at this difficult juncture.  Its still the case online mostly in pvp you are most important.  Anyhow I think this is a general thing not just poker and people have been working out cards in their head for years anyway.

This could be a setup that you personally will make and have a match against another opponent but hard to find that kind of platform that will do that for you.

Wow, didn't know that there's one that exists through a browser. It's easier because it's on the browser as it doesn't require to download. I'll check that splinterlands. Thank you.

not a new game but here in the Philippines we have a game called tong its(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tong-its ) and it is a PVP game. in my opinion and experience playing this game require strategy, skill on how to read your enemy and their cards and how to efficiently discard cards that you don't need but one wrong move can cause you to lose the game.

I mean afaik, the only skill you can actually use in Poker is using your cards right and reading the expressions of the others (irl, though in online this is impossible), which leaves us with using your cards right. Blackjack should offer the same idea as well, e.g. with the basic idea of fighting when you have a total greater than 17/18.

Additionally, Poker is solved by algorithms? Care to share your source on that? You can't exactly expect more players to actually enter t he gambling scene especially in times like this so I suppose it's quite natural that there are lesser players today, but at the same time, I don't really think it's dead. If it was, you'd honestly see casinos removing them from their site since the game is dead, but it isn't, which basically means that they still generate profit one way or another.

Maybe you can check this ANN thread: ✅ SwC Poker ♣️ BITCOIN POKER ♣️ Hold'em✅ PLO✅ Mixed✅ MTT✅ ♣️ BBJ🌟 ♣️ BIG BTC🏆 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5068812.0).

I think besides the usual Poker, there are a lot of other options to play, you can sit on the table and play and wait for others to join you, so it's also a PVP.

There is no such thing like "usual poker". Poker is poker, just has different games.
And before playing at swc I would rather recommend some fiat poker sites with actual traffic.

But thats not what the guy asked for.

You are right that Poker is a game of incomplete information and as such, algorithms cannot be applied to solve it as one would do in chess. But there are so-called Poker Solvers, which analyze all the possibilities and give you the most optimal solution based on the data.


It is difficult for an alternative to Poker to succeed. Besides, if it is a mixture of luck and skill, like Poker, solvers can also be applied to it, so we have the same problem, your objection would still apply.

This one is a good one but I don't know how to play this one even if I saw a lot of people playing this kind of thing in my place and funerals that I went to. I would suggest something similar to poker that I have seen in the anime that I watch, it's called Blind Mans Bluff or Indian Poker, try to check it out.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_man's_bluff_(poker)

I think that poker is almost entirely skill. Whilst luck is hugely important in any individual hand, it evens out over time. If you play poker solidly for a year, then your profit/loss situation at the end of that year will have very little to do with luck.
Also reading others online is perfectly possible. I agree that you don't see faces or body language, which means it's not to the same extent, but certain patterns of play from certain individuals can become very apparent and readable.

I think Poker is the only game where skills count more than any other PvP game and luck is just a small part of it.Blackjack you can play against other persons but the problem is luck plays a considerable part here in determining the winner.For me the best game for skillful players is Poker.

I wanted to suggest other card games like HiLo, blackjack but then even you are skillfull to these games, we cant really beat the house. I mean, instinct will always be rely on that game and of course pure luck. I just dont stick with one game, since gambling is something that we can be a winner or a loser. So it is best to not stick with one game even you think you have skills on that game.

And yeah, it is hard to beat those well set algorithms. Eventually, there are times that you cant predict those cards or games as well. Why not try dice and mines with different autobet strategies?

I would say any card game that is known around the world could be used in a PvP setup. There a some competitive card games out there which have championships in my city, the only problem is that you only play it with 4 people. The attractiveness of poker is that you can sit with 10 people on one table and play for a lot of money. If you find no limit holdem to competitive you could try and go for different variants like Omaha for example.

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Honestly people play poker because they like it, it has been there since ages and not always people might be interested in new games , its fun and yes there might be more games available in the market but I do think some vintage games should stay as they are for a longer period of time. Honestly if poker was already solved by algorithms and players did know that why won't everyone be rich and successful by now ? The sites would be banned it instantly but if you do think you know how this game works then you should try it on !! It is indeed based on luck also and not just your skills , plus any algorithm won't be 100% successful in practical. Just know the hands the main one's, how they will go and play it for the fun !

P.S. the machine algorithm that you are talking about :
https://i.ibb.co/vQc8kMs/brown-and-standholm-2019-pluribus-poker-search-strategy.png (https://ibb.co/CMwFQSJ)
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Is this similar to this ?!?

( Taken from google )

Poker being replaced or have alternative?

we as gamblers always has alternative in any gambling we played but considering that you are asking about almost replacing poker .

Then the answer is NO..

Poker is a very generic term, there are several types of games in poker, some more predictable and others more complex to predict with algorithms only.
There must be other P2P games like dice, dominoes, etc. where there isn't a house advantage. But they will be more predictable than a card game.

I once found a racing game, but then strategy already gives way to skill and I don't like those types of games, I prefer those that mess with my neurons.

algorithms is what makes poker game skill based but if theres no algorithm , poker will purely rely on luck .

huh ? poker is a famous game even before especially now that gambling online is easy .

this might help you
https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1658678/any-card-games-similar-poker

There are different variants of poker.  You can play PLO or Short Deck.  Those two games aren’t ‘solved’ like how NLHE is.  And that’s the thing, I think ‘solved’ is the wrong word for it.  But these solvers do spoon feed the player with which moves to make in most spots.  But saying that the game is ‘solved’ is an oversimplification.

Again try PLO and Short Deck.  They’re more fun than NLHE anyway.  

I have known a few games of cards but none of them except poker and blackjack and their variations are available through online PvP sites. For now, I think there is no card game closely similar to poker which could serve as its alternative.

I don't understand you saying that poker is already solved by algorithms. What exactly do you mean by that? That it could now be predictable even when playing PvP?

If you want sure profits, I would suggest you try crypto games out there that shouldn't require that much luck for you to earn. Axie Infinity offers so much profitability now and is becoming even more promising in the future. It's up to you really but if you're willing to switch games there are a bunch out there that offers as much profitability as Poker with lesser drawbacks/risks.

AFAIK there has only been an increasing amount of poker players. Not sure what you are talking about.

In terms of both luck and skill, you can also try video poker. Some variants of video poker actually have the house at a disadvantage which means that if you play the perfect strategy you are going to make money over the long run. Blackjack AP also requires a ton of skill and could yield you profits over the long term if you do it right.

But to profit from all these games you need to have an algorithm to play by, much like poker. Everyone has access to it but executing it takes years of practice.

Its not purely luck, you can average out your performance and improve your chances by a consistent strategy and there is skill in competing against the other players effectively.   One hand can be argued to be luck especially if played in a blind or all in kind of way then you just rely on the river card perhaps to pay off or not but people will play over a series of hands and you can apply some part of probability theory.   Some think it incorrect but repeatedly getting 4 aces in sequential hands should not happen so I do act on the hands that appeared previously to some extent to decide my actions.

That resembles pascals triangle to me, outlier events can be determined in probability by the path required to arrive at that sequence.   I was taught statistics and probability a while ago so maybe Im off but Im biased to that line of judging an outcome, I think people do this consciously or sometimes just 'in their heads' but still similarly.

It is just Blackjack. Blackjack is definitely -EV. I am talking about some kind of new game, which needs to be more complex then poker. From a game theory of view HU in poker is already completely solved.

Then maybe all available card games around are not suited to your needs.

Maybe wait for a certain gambling site to offer another variant of a new poker game or something that is more complex and will heavily rely on skills. Heard of Chine Poker? Is that a card game that closes to what you are looking for?

It's called chinese poker I believe. There are a few different variations of the game and it's quite fun to play but the only place I have seen it available on is SwC and that sites RNG just blows IMO. There also aren't really that many players.

If you live in my country, you will have some alternatives.
Here in my country there are some popular pvp game like poker, and it has many active online players.
The games namely Domino QQ and 13 Cards and let me show you how the game looks like:

DominoQQ
https://i.imgur.com/M4VzWEi.png

13Cards or Capsa
https://i.imgur.com/KKkIqn3.png

Unfortunately, the games are not available in this crypto gambling industry.
Perhaps because it is popular in my country only.

There would be no alternative to poker in modern online gambling casinos nor will have one. Poker itself is indeed somehow a small percentage predictable, yet the chance are waaay small and riskier than you losing a game. If ever that some poker alternative were developed, would you think it would be the same poker and have the same satisfaction as we used to have in playing it? No right? Also, it is ironic to imply luck and combine it with skill. If you are skillful, you cannot really be called lucky. If you are lucky, you are not really that skillful. Is there someone that both is lucky and skillful? I guess there's none.

Man6 you should try asian gambling games, like mahjong. Most of Asian games is based mostly on skills, or at least on skill to use what destiny send to you (I mean you throwing dice and making move, you can make good move or bad move, something like that)

I don't know too much purely gambling games compared to poker in terms of balance between skill and luck. (The only two is maybe Bridge and Preferance)

Well I hope not to continue in the bluff or semi-bluff of some posts in reference to the OP.

- I do not understand very well what you mean by what is solved with algorithms, perhaps if it refers to the support software that exists to make decisions based on the data of opponent

In that case, it is worth saying, these tools also made those who used them will win lot of money. It is an advantage, but it is not something or algorithm that solves the "how to play".
Many casinos prohibit them. .

- On the other hand, when online poker had its glory in 2003, many "professional" players ("" because some of them were minors) of non-traditional card games began to play poker, perhaps the most famous and and the one that attracted most players to the poker scene went Magic.

There are currently many skill card games like Magic, Jaipur, Dominion and the list is as extensive as the fan of card games can be.

If you mention new games, the 21st century (XX too) is full of them both online and their traditional table versions.

Blackjack? come on!! like poker it is so old that again it has little.

^{This is "tells" OP.}

For me, there's nothing better than Poker if we're talking about skills games, but there are other options. There's also blackjack and, I'm quite surprised no one mentioned Spades, it also includes a lot of strategic thinking, no less than Poker, perhaps. And, of course, there's Yahtzee. While it includes dice, which brings an element of luck to the game - a strategy should also be applied and you need to make a lot of decisions, evaluate your risks, which is why to play this game it's better to understand probabilities first.

I love Yahtzee but a computer can show you what all the best decisions are so it's not a game you could securely play for money. The OP is looking for PVP games that aren't solved by computers and can be +EV for players. Not easy criteria to fulfill.

I think Rock Paper Scissors is the purest and best PVP game but it's hard to call it a skill game since you can just let an RNG decide the throws to neutralize any advantage that might exist between the two players.

When it terms to card games, no betting game or gambling game that will be able to defeat poker or maybe no one will be able to surpass poker when it terms on strategy and skills because poker isn't just based on luck. It is also based on skills and experience in which the more experience you have playing you have the great edge among all the players. Just like for example those poker players that are playing on the underground casinos, they are the one who is really skillful because those gamblers are rhe one who is playing with all their might.

Yeah, but from that point of view Poker also isn't the best choice, because computers can calculate the best decisions in poker as well. But I see now, that's what OP was stating in the first place. IMO these calculators mean nothing because in games like Poker and Yahtzee the calculated best decision isn't always the right one. I remember my experience in playing Poker with bots, which were programmed for these very best decisions and they suck.
 
Any skilled player can outplay these calculators because it's not only about playing with the best odds, sometimes it's about knowing when to take the risk, which is also a skill.
 
I'm starting to think that what OP asked for is actually impossible because for any games that require skills the best option can be calculated (in one way or another), and the only games that can't be solved like this are those, which depend purely on luck :-\

Bots have improved a lot during that last years. This is a great issue and I am very sure that in a couple of years poker will be mainly a game where bots fight against other highly-complex bots. In this case also owners of bots have a higher advantage with better computation power.

In the last week I was thinking about an interesting variant of chess. Imagine a chess board where you cant see some figures of your opponent, e.g. the first and the last row. Here the figures are mixed, so you dont know where the queen is. People would definitely play this game for money, right? Skill is involved but also a decent amount of luck.

Dont know if there's someone would be interested on that one on where you do presume out things and try to keep guessing on where the queen is or even the king.

Sounds unique but i doubt about the interest of the community.When it comes to pvp games then most likely talks about card games which we can see in the market as of today.

Better stick out on gambling sites which had been trusted because even on a simple coin flip game could really be rigged out.

I have encountered this one and even tried it. Very far from an alternative to poker. Alien Worlds can hardly even be called a game of cards, hell, even a game. There is no interaction with other players whatsoever. But the game is still under development. More updates are still in store to be released in the near future. Alien Worlds is more of a unique way to mine its token (TLM) and some NFTs of different rarities, at least at its current stage.

There are a handful of rising digital card games which are more focused on NFT. None of which, personally, could replace the likes of Texas hold 'em poker, blackjack, Chinese poker, and other traditional card games.

I didn't know that these games exist until you dropped it here. Can I ask how was your experience with splinterlands? Is it entertaining to play? How was the winning rate? I'm curious to try it too. I just want to read some feedbacks before diving into it to avoid expecting more.

Poker is a nice game to play according to my friends who have tried it already. Personally, I don't play that much. But at some point, I also want to try playing games that can keep me company especially now that I'm stuck at home due to pandemic. Boredom is one of the greatest enemies I have. It leads me to becoming unproductive and it makes me feel numb sometimes. It's great that there are many other alternatives to choose from. Thanks for your game suggestion.

If I have to be honest, I really do not see any other card game or any game for that matter, that would serve as an alternative to poker. I will not try to find an alternative nor not play it anymore, because I am greatly entertained by the game and I was able to enjoy playing poker, whether real or play money is in the pot. Sure, there are many card games available that you can consider but not really as challenging and as elegant as poker. For me poker is the ultimate card game there is.

This would be great but depending on what kind of game it would be and if it would also be fun to play.
I think it is a great idea to have those pvp gambling type nowadays because most of our crypto gambling is focus on house edge casino so it might be a good one to have something fun to play against another player.

Maybe you can try Chinese Poker, Tong its or Indian Poker, they all need players and they require some luck and skill. Indian Poker is especially skill based because there is only have two cards and you don't know your other card so it basically is a mind games.

I have heard of Tong its and though I have not tried it. It is a part of some gambling cultures in some provinces of the Philippines if not all. So it should be a surprise that I was not able to learn this when I was a kid or teen and I learned other card games like poker. Do you know if there may be some apps you can recommend or something that can help me learn the basics. I do know the game "pusoy" so it seems I should be able to learn or know playing it but no.

do you have a hint on how chinese poker is played  and was it simillar to the original poker ? . tong its is an old card game but its recreated for online plays and gain lots of attention lately . op should try this game

one card is open while the other card is closed and you need to predict if you will get a higher or a lower number in total ? is that how it works  but it looks like its luck based not skill .  

Chinese Poker is very popular in my place and we called it "PUSOY", this is both a game that requires skills and decisions and of course along with luck. If OP is not looking for another card games, then Chinese poker might not be the option as well. Poker is one of the best gambling games that I've play, I don't know why you're looking for alternative and maybe you can try to play Mahjhong?

I heard that short deck poker is the biggest new trend of poker variant in Asia. It is quite similar to usual no limit holdem but the strategies are different. In Western casino not many people play it. It is probably just a matter of time until it comes to all casinos around the world. If we start to get familiar with such new variants directly at the start of the hype we should be able to get an edge on other players and make decent profit.

Just search the word Tong Its on your Appstore, there are a lot of them in it. I think Chinese Poker is called Pusoy Dos in the Philippines. The first thing that I learned is Poker instead of Tong Its and then Chinese Poker/Pusoy Dos.

It's not familiar to Westerners in my opinion that's why you can't see them played, plus Asians have a far more variety of games compared to West and it's not like everything is adaptable.

Yes, tong-its would work well for a player who has both skills and luck. This game, just like poker, also needs a smart strategy. Lots of gamblers in our country are used to playing it, especially during our free time. It's entertaining and fun at the same time. It needs focus and a bit of mind-reading.

In this Gambling industry we always have alternative to one game based on your taste and preferences.Like there are casino offering thousand of games on single platform but most of them are house edge based and PvP games option is limited and poker is one of the best choice for many.It is purely based on your strategies as bad cards could also be turn into a winning move with your skills.Some games like Blackjack are partial luck based and partial based on your skills.Just look for other games if anything bothers you because now gambling industry has grown vast and we have different options for each and every game.

I think there's a lot of card games that can be alternative to poker. I'm not familiar to Chinese or Indian Poker, but I'm very much familiar with Tong Its and I can say I'm kinda excellent gamer of it. My technique in Tong Its is I observed my opponents cards. You just need to focus on game and memorize what he/she already put down cards and what do you think he/she still holding or left cards. By this you can predict what's their next card and you will have a big chance winning over them. And second and my final tip that I can give is always put down first the cards with big numbers.

I don't think there may be an alternative to poker but you can try Indian Rummy which involves your skills as well as luck where you need to play yourself and make the other end lose. But it's like a PvP game and doesn't need a dealer (or maybe you can call the other person a dealer if he shuffles and splits up the cards.

Heard off about Tong its and this just some local game and i dont know on whats the name called in other places or just be good on that particular country or local.
So it cant really be played for everyone but im bit aware with this game.When it comes to card games then there are indeed lots are existing and if you do find
out for another variety or type of game then you can choose what you want.I dont have much idea on what he particularly talks about another alternative to
poker as if each games is unique on their own or does have specific rules.

Lol, this is just ordinary games with some kind of monetization. This is not even close to such strong (in terms of how luck and strategy fused in it) game as poker. As i said before, only card games with a long history, like Go or Bridge can be an alternative in some kind. Poker has existed for 200 years. And such games will be forgotten tomorrow. Pitty.

Well, have you heard of Tong-its? It is a Filipino card game that is somehow related to poker. But on this one, the server is not needed. In a standard game, there will be three players that can participate. Every turn, you had to show a card and the next player has to connect that card to his/her cards.
The principles of the game are easy to follow, you will know that strategy is still needed.
Here is a link to it, you may try to play it. Unfortunately, --we don’t have a cryptocurrency-based Tong-its yet. But it would be a good idea to be included within a casino/gambling platform.

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^{[ https://apps.apple.com/ph/app/tongits-go/id1443568670 ]}

Are you thinking into developing your own game? If you have one then do it, just remember that poker and card games in general have been around a long time so you cannot expect that whatever you have planned is going to become popular overnight, now I will have to disagree with your asseveration that poker has already being solved by algorithms, this is true for games in which chance plays no factor, like checkers that has been completely solved already by computer algorithms, while poker is nowhere near that because it includes other factors like bluffing and deceiving your opponent that are hard to quantify and to code.

I think it's called three-player rummy and everyone could visit this site to know more about the game: https://www.wikihow.com/Play-Tongits. It involves luck and skill and I think it's par to poker in terms on how you play it. This game more often involves the decision making of the players.

The best alternative to gambling poker is playing practice games beforehand, ideal for getting anyone upto speed all the possible strategies to be aware of before playing for cash.   You can always play a low amount on the actual game but I know quite a few would be hesitant to do even that hence I recommend just a fun poker for matchsticks type play through.  I found it helped me anyhow and Im pretty new as a player in any Poker of any type.

Interesting, thank you very much. I will take a look into this when I find some time. What I have find so far is a statistics claiming that your game is based on 20% luck and 80% skill. I dont know if this is true or not, but I think it is definitely worth to analyse it.

I will put it like 90% skill because even with bad cards, you can turn the table. I'm a hardcore tong-its player before lol and already played it several times in actual gambling. I check the link but some steps are quite different to what I used to like, max players stated was 3 but it can be played up to 4 and being a dealer doesn't have any impact on the game so no need for dice or so to choose who will be the dealer.

Not sure but maybe there are other variants of that game in other regions just as other card games.

In my opinion 90% skill is maybe already too much. Let me explain it: In chess the bad player would never play against a better opponent without a handicap. If we involve a portion of luck here (maybe just 1% steps) the likelihood increases.

But apart from that: Do you know good sites to try this game out? Any recommendations?

I've never seen yet a crypto gambling site that offers a card game like tong-its, pusoy dos or Chinese poker, lucky 9, etc.

One reason I think is, it's a Person vs Person game, and catching the interest of the gamblers around is a tough challenge for the gambling sites. There will be also some doubts if all players on the table are real humans and not as a bot.

But there is an Android Game called Pusoy-Go where all those card games mentioned are being played. There's also a tournament there so overall while having fun there's also a chance to win a reward there.

I get your idea, but chess is a 100% skill game (maybe 99% if we assume that nothing can be devoid of the element of luck), then why 90% for poker is too much?
Basically, in chess, both of the players are in the same conditions, that's why everything depends on the strategy while in poker, at the first sight, people can different cards, which is why luck plays its part too.
But in the long run, are the hands that different? It's the same cards, it's the same rules and many-many deals, so, eventually, by the end of the game, all of the players would have been in both bad and good conditions for the win, right?
And with a good amount of skill you can even win with bad cards (that's what harizen what pointing out). So I'd say it can even be higher, than 90% skill  :D

Chess has no luck, no hidden elements or surprise is there and everything is about balance.   Poker is not balanced or known elements and probably is in the majority a luck event.   However I'd probably call it 50/50 on the basis you dont have to enter a hand if you start with bad cards and knowing the difference and likelihood of success is a large part of winning overall or not.   The hands are each luck really but the overall winning a tournament strategy does come down to skill and recognition of opponents so equal in both amounts.
   Chess is hard to make as a gambling situation or game, maybe if we used the pieces in a slot game :D that could be cool tbh

Actually a thread was posted in bitcointalk about pvp games :  PVP Games Casino You Can Try (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5256076.0)

Check out that and you may find some interesting alternatives to poker.

Glory days is not gone, it's just happen that there are tons of casino site and casino houses opening day by day that's why the Data per site is not that high anymore.
because players are scattering in many gambling sites and houses.

I agree with you, chess is not a good format for pvp games with money involved. Like you said that there is no luck involved, we won't be able to have fair games. A grand master in chess will always beat amateurs. There is no way that a beginner can win against a chess pro. Poker that is possible because of luck. Another issue is that cheating would be a big problem in chess, a good chess computer will bear 99% of the players because all information is visible on the table.

And especially this is the reason why it makes so much sense to create a game with the opimal portion of luck and skill, but making it so complex that an AI or a bot cannot win against a human player. Okay, maybe at least in the short run or with the opportunity to change something in the rule seeting making algorithms useless.

I think all available gambling games can be used as an alternative game because it depends on the perception of each individual, for example, we are tired of playing cards or in this case playing poker and we start looking for other alternatives such as playing dice, roulette or even sportsbooks. I personally also prefer to bet in PvP if the choice is only about PvP and the house edge but unfortunately, I don't know what alternatives are out there to replace the poker you want because in black jack too if I'm not mistaken there are also PvP options which I have seen at that time but I forgot the site.

Sorry, I disagree with you. Dice, roulette and sportsbooks you have mentioned are NOT pvp so I reallly have to ask you: Did you read the OP? Your post doesnt provide any additional benefit in this discussion, we were already much further discussing REAL new alternatives with a perfect mix of strategy and luck factors.

I see that there are more talks about the asian types of poker played in east and south east asia, also in south asia. I am curious as to whether there are also variants of poker or other card games that can be found on other parts of the world such as in Europe or the Americas also in Africa and Russia. Maybe there would be some website out there that is not popular but have the compilation of many different card games aside from poker.

I think it is great to have that kind of gambling site that have different kinds of card game like tong its (mostly played by filipinos), poker, pusoy (chinese poker) and other card games but as far as I know, I don't know any sites like that. I even came across a thread where the op is asking if there are any gambling sites that have pusoy card game.

I think a possibility would be to play a PvP online game like Counter Strike and bet money on it. It could work with any game, but Counter Strike is a popular one and there are already platforms which allow you to bet in yourself while playing against other players.

I have seen this information on the forum weeks ago, but I can't remember the site mentioned right now.
If you don't like CS: GO, but are enthusiast of another online game, check if it's possible to play it against other players for real money prizes.

What you are talking about is betting/gambling. Of course you are betting ON a PvP game, but actually you are just playing against a high-functional statistical machine. Also in my opinion betting can be easily manipiulated by blackmailng some people from the team and so on. Your comment is not very helpful, sorry.

In the case of a PVP game where both luck and skill are involved, then wouldn't the majority of the card games be included in it? I'm not talking about the deck of cards that we usee in poker, but rather the different types of card games that are out there such as hearthstone, shadowverse, etc. They aren't really aligned with Gambling yes, but that's because the games themselves are composed of a wide variety of cards that all players wouldn't necessarily be able to use. Not to mention that the factor of luck involved is based on 2 players only, compared to poker that has multiple playeres PLUS the cards that the dealer will set.

As far as I know 1v1 are from a game theory of point more easy to solve from an algorithm. I would love to see a massive online tournament with 100s of players battling each other with the perfect mix of luck and skill making it possible maybe to play it for a living (if you are really really good)

This is not a gambling but it does have some sort of PVP element to it so I don't know if it's counted with your criteria, and I think this is much safer because you win something but when you lose, you don't get anything but you also don't lose. The game that I am talking about is Axie Infinity, pretty famous in my country.

Monopoly is a cool match up for me since it has a full component of pvp But it's highly skilled and requires lots of mortgage skills and knowledge to win up this isn't just a game of luck in here it takes your skill and a little knowledge about housing management to win

Actually you are right. If we could develop Monopoly a bit and create a game where also other players have something to do during a turn of player 1, it would have a very good opportunity, because everyone know about monopoly and also it is known and famous for its mixture of luck and skilll.

After all, all gambling games will definitely require skill and luck, these factors are the most important factors in any game in gambling. But indeed, there are slot games that seem to be purely about luck but I believe, there are still many out there who don't understand the game of slots and as such, skill will still be involved even if it is a slot game. So yes, the alternative to poker can basically be any type of gambling game, because it depends on how we respond to the game itself because with the many choices of gambling games available at the casino, of course it will be an alternative which makes it easier for us to choose and play it.

Please tell me: Why skill is required in a slot game? There is no skill. The casino always (ALWAYS!) wins. There is no strategy which wins. There are no people playing slots as a job, so please tell me, how I can understand the game of slots. I am just very curious.

Understand it as a highly risky gambling game! When something is highly risky, the chances of getting busted are high! Of course, big/huge wins are possible even with low bets! There's no strategy for slots, but as with any other game, you can play with some plan... and it's always better when you have at least some plan! I guess that plan is playing with lower and higher bets (changing your bet through the game), and if you are lucky you will hit a bonus round with some higher bet!

Slots can be crazy! We all know that! I like to play them and I find some entertainment in playing them... the choice is big, so many providers, different themes, different bonus rounds... playing to see the bonus round, and having luck in the bonus round can be a really big win! It's all fun! After all, don't risk what you can't afford to lose and you can have a lot of fun with slots!

Saying that the "casino always (ALWAYS!) wins" means the user always loses according to you, it's its implicit corollary. It's sad to read that from someone promoting a casino and a regular poster of the gambling section  :-[. You shouldn't do that anymore if you are really believing in what you are saying, there are more appropriate bounty campaigns for you if you are just a bounty hunter.
In reality the house usually wins against one player on the long run... but it's not always the case, otherwise nobody would be able to become rich through gambling and nobody would gamble anymore.
And it's not the case at all on the short run. If you place a stake on the red color at the american roulette today and win and then leave the table how the house could have won anything? It's a pure loss for the casino.
Moreover if you would invest in the bankroll of a casino you would see that the ROI is usually not high at all.

What exactly would be the advantage if I leave the campaign? Someone else would take my spot maybe starting to shill casinos. I am definitely not shilling anything. So from my point of view it really makes sense.

And yes, the casino always wins (regarding the expected value). Even if you win really big IMO most people get addicted because they want even more.

Slots is a fun gambling game, so don't be burdened by having to win, let our luck determine the outcome. Moreover, we can win by playing
lower bets, that's a fun thing, therefore there really isn't an effective strategy to win in slots games. Slots is a game based on luck, so I agree
the risks are huge. Always play with money that we can afford to lose.

If you don't gamble how could you post constructive posts in the gambling section? That's why usually non gambling users have to avoid campaign where posts in the gambling section are mandatory, because they're spamming. I'm sorry but your BM should have not enrolled you in this campaign.

Again you're wrong, only noobs and losers think that. Look at these stats from a live roulette game of Evolution Gaming (which is certainly also available at the casino you are promoting). That's the stats from the last 500 rounds.
The one who bet on the red color got 52% chances to double his stake.  
That means the house has been at loss on this color during at least 500 rounds. And the one who wagered 10$ 10 times on the red color won 10x10x(0.52x2-1)=4$ at the end.

https://i.ibb.co/ZHm1RJM/Roulette.png

Sadly, but this is not a lonely case, we see them around everyday... people who never gamble make more posts than I do, and I gamble almost every day!
I would like to see the answer to this question, how someone who doesn't gamble can make constructive posts in the gambling section?! If we see the answer at all, in what I doubt!

We had a Bitcointalk private tournament... it's a good example of how things work here in the gambling section... so on some poker threads we see so many comments about poker, how to play poker, and where to play poker, but when we need to gather and PLAY poker, there are just 10-15 of us in the end on the tables! :)

We can make a bet, but somehow I am sure it's the same with other gambling games...

This is really a really weird argumentation. So to talk about football you need to play football? To make constructive posts on politics you need to be a politician? It this your opinion? Of course it is possible to make constructive (critical) posts about gambling. I can't see the issue, but this is definitely OT.

I have always liked PVP games, the only thing is that in casinos they are very limited, because in some cases very few are Black Jack, most are Poker and in fact the majority of non-casino games that have the PVP system and those that are related to money are usually Runscape, Tibia, Axie Infinity and so far no casino has adopted having a game system of this style, although I do not know if some type of combination can be made for it, but if a casino will achieve making such compatibility could win the casinos expert players globally.

Maybe this represents a challenge for game developers in casinos, but I think anything is possible.

Axie Infinity is worth a try? Recently I heard a lot about them and the game logic itself looks quite solid. But nevertheless: I'm always afraid of bots.

If you want to try an alternative with the poker you can try to the dice game we know even on the dice there's a chance of having a good output depends on the projectile and the amount of force you will toss the dice to show the outcome you want of course its not basic just like you want to get the result still it depends on the player.


Axie today is one of the top-earning NFT and there are a lot of people already earned with this game if you don't want to make an investment I don't think so you will earn here unless you will be come to a scholar and find a manager.

The only game that can be an alternative for poker is Preferans, Remi or some variations of Bridge (I know some)... cards game where you play against other people, and you need to know how to play your cards in the best way... these games include thinking, with good players a lot of thinking! I wouldn't dare to compare these cards games with dice games of any sort!

As I know for playing Axie's you need to make an investment first... it's not a free-to-play game! Or I am wrong? When I wanted to try it I talked with some people about it, maybe they gave me wrong info about the game and I didn't bother much to check it out by myself, so I just decided to not try it!

You're right that it's requiring an investment for you to own an Axie, you have to purchase three of them and every Axie is sold or can be bought individually.

There's a rumor that there will be a free to play feature of it but you won't be able to earn anything. It's just a feature to make you experience how to play it.

I'd say that bridge is more luck-based as compared to poker. For long it's been considered that poker is about 50-60% skill, but recently I've seen this number going up as high as 80% in discussions, some even say that in the long run, it's a pure skill (https://www.blackrain79.com/2016/11/is-poker-game-of-skill-or-luck.html).

Bridge, on the contrary, largely depends on the cards you get during the game, what I've found playing bridge P2P is that, at some point, after me and the other player getting to know all the rules and tricks, acquiring some necessary skills we win approximately 50/50, and it all depends on cards.

I don't find any alternative to poker. It is hoped that this will happen in the future. Or ... Everything new is well forgotten old. You just need to think well and remember.

Although Axie Infinity is one of the top-earning NFT, I do not know how to play and I think the price now is too high to buy for playing the game. I prefer to trade it and make money from trading instead of from the game.

But we know that the Axie is not the same as poker but that game can be the one game that can earn money. Poker is not easy to play as we imagine as we need to know the rule. But with learning from many sources, maybe people do not have to spend a long time to know how to play poker. I only know traditional Remi, as iv4n said.

Today buying your own team in Axie Infinity is expensive and I remember the first time I saw the price of axie's which is only a 2 months earlier the floor price was around $150-$200 now the price is doubled. But honestly this Axie game was not related to poker but yeah through this game people can earn a profit out of their investment. And as far as i know there's no alternative to poker and gambling related activities was a luck and skill related.

Thanks for sharing the right info! I just google the price of Axie, take a look at this:



Yes, in all the card games I mentioned it's very important what kind of cards you are holding in your hands! We are talking about poker alternatives, and in these games (including poker) you need to have some skills, you need to know some tricks, how to play with good and bad cards if you wish to win!

Poker is a game in which math is heavily involved in weighting odds and understanding the risks and rewards on a certain situation, particularly Texas Hold'em has been studied over and over and many of the great players are also kind of chess masters in terms of ability. However, the OP saying that poker has been "solved by algorithms" does not make any sense. An algorithm can estimate odds probably better than any person, but estimating odds is not enough to win systematically.

Poker tournaments are also held frequently and even you have the option of appearing live on the regular stone gambling hall stream all you have to do is save a spot so you can show off your skills to the world a website for advanced players who like to keep everything in one place unibit above all provides great opportunities but also the protection and assurance of a fair game. A bookmaker that has been successfully operated for such a long time and constantly receives positive feedback from users gambling is usually played instead of gambling on money but some versions still gamble on money like all gambling games, be careful not to take more risks than you can afford.

There's some card game that can play alternatively to poker like Tong-its, Pusoy, Mahjong and many more. Currently not available on casino but its already available on mobile games that has play money currency but soon this might be offered on casino due to increasing demand of PVP games because of many PVP NFT game that already existing. Casino are now adapting decentralization so I believe adding more PVP gambling gambling games will be possible in the future.

Even if poker's solved easily by algorithms, it doesn't mean that it's easy, it's not like every player is a Rain Man that can easily count the cards and the numbers. So I think it's still as good as it is because it's as hard as it is to mentally compute what's happening in the table and you also have to go mind the bluffing and betting pressures.

If those companies can integrate their payment system using crypto, that can reach more gamblers, which will be a promotion from crypto for them. I am sure that a game like that will get attention from local gamblers who played traditional gambling games using fiat money to moves and try crypto to gamble. They can try to integrate with NFT as the NFT has now become a new trend. If one company succeeds in adding NFT into traditional gambling games, the other company will do the same, which means the traditional gambling game can go worldwide.

I might go a little off but there is an NFT game that has a slightly similarity in Poker and it's a PVP game.
Axie Infinity has the luck-skill-techniques combination elements as it also plays with set of cards randomly distributed to both players. Though the game isn't a gambling like in the casino, but you're actually earning when you're winning.

Anyway, I don't find something similar game as exciting as poker in the casino. I played Chinese poker, though it's somehow enjoyable and exciting but Poker is much better than that.

I think its not much game that offerd pvp system . what i think is game like dice pvp ? Hi low PVP and some NFT gambling that has a PVP feature. for cards games it seems that there are several casinos that offer pvp blackjack and pvp video poker.

I agree with that, if those facilitators will learn deeper into crypto industry, it will be easier to integrate the system and more crypto gamblers will able to play the game. A good alternative for poker if you want to kill some time and if you think that poker can be solved by algorithm, though I doubt since poker is a game of skills and strategy.

maybe I'm wrong about my understanding but that's how I see this game, even pro can't say that they will keep winning the game.

I believe that playing this NFT game Axie infinity and winning in a PVP mode sometimes is based on luck because the cards that you're going to put is based on the kind of cards that the game would put on your deck which worst sometimes the game system gives you the most unwanted set of cards on your deck but of course a player could still make a good fight out of it if he really a well-skilled player. But the feeling of playing poker was far different from playing in an online game.

Poker is known the world over... Poker is a time-honoured classic! There are also some games like bridge or preference (popular in Russia), but I don't think it will become as popular as poker! It's like replacing formula 1 with cockroach racing! ;D Too much advertising and sponsors are implemented in this game...

But in general PvP can be played at anything, dice for example! ;)

Solved by algo? I don't see any issues with that because it's just a matter of probability and percentages, not the specific outcome. Actually, you can do the same with the algorithm by using your own brain and memorizing all of the probabilities in poker, and it's not that difficult to comprehend the probability, and sometimes all you need is common sense to figure out what the probable outcomes of any round are. If you want to be the best at poker, probabilities are merely basic things for you. I always assumed that poker players studied probabilities in order to boost their chances of winning, but it appears that I was wrong all along.  ;D

Correct, checkers has been completely solved and computers will never lose against a human player, chess is in the process of being solved as well and now computer opponents are incredibly strong compared to their human counterparts, however when it comes to poker it is not close to being solved due to its uncertain nature and the fact that humans rely also on the ability to read their opponents, something that cannot be done by computers at the time, so while computers can play poker in a competent way they are not close yet to the level of humans.

Probability does not equate to a solution but it does give an advantage to know the bias possible, I dont think this alters the game of Poker especially vs things like Chess where there is a definite path to checkmate over other solutions.   In that way it might be a greater advantage then using a poker odds computer, after some people can already do this kind of reckoning in their heads and have done for centuries probably.   
  Using a chess computer to win online I'm told is detectable and they will pick you up and ban you from games if you are found to have just copied computer directions.  I dont know how exactly but I presume its for the same reasons, that the path you took to win was robot like.

No, you are right and I agree with you. The online casino base fiat money or crypto can also integrate the payment system and test it for some gamblers before they officially launch. Maybe a casino with local people can develop a traditional card and transform it into an online card game and add it into their casino. At the same time, they can spread the news by giving a link for their members to test that traditional game.

Playing poker or other card games is very difficult as they need to have skills and strategy, as you mention. The pro can not always win but the newbie can get their win occasionally.

To be honest I don't really like pvp poker, because it's hard for me to control my emotions when there is a bluff at the table. Therefore, I personally don't really look for other alternatives regarding poker gambling or other pvp gambling, in contrast to a tournament that allows me to still accept it and be interesting to participate in. In addition, even though the house edge is something to consider, but for some casino gambling games I prefer to fight the house even though in the end I still lose but sometimes wins can still be obtained but yes, experience is needed here in order to control it well.

I have read a lot about that game, in fact I think that the most expert is because they know very well how to use the cards and apart from that they have very high skills. There are Teams that are very strong and according to the Victories they are assigned a number of Cups, and that makes them progress in the game.

I understand that the SLP is around 0.13USD-0.14USD and they say that it can continue to decrease, but according to the business model offered by the game, it allows that if more people enter to play the game it has more life, now it is entering eager for Argentina, it has been a total success in the Philippines and Venezuela.

Laughing on that Cockroach comparison to f1 racing  ;D

Gambling will never be the same without Poker , this has been the most popular, most loved and one of the oldest gambling game created.

having alternative is normal because there are many card game that enjoyable but not the same as what poker can give.

That is really acceptable that in gambling we often lose than win. If you are an emotional person, gambling is not the place for you because no matter what you do, your emotions will still control you and leads you to losses. But if you just come for the pleasure and to enjoy your day from the busy life, then it was not a problem coz if you lose, you don't cry and blame yourself.

yes, people have to learn to take responsibility for their choices
and separate emotion from reason when deciding to do something

quite important things to practice and bring to everyday life

Different appreciation and different in handling this activity, most of us, if not all, will agree that in these gambling activities
losing is more than winning, if you set or allocates amount to these vices and you will let it go, no problem or no regrets
that will take place after your sessions.

The entertaining part will stick inside you. It happened most with skill based gambling, Pokers or other card games, which you will
remember how close you are to winning but luck didn't back you up.  ;D ;)

good point @Fredomago
it's normal to loose much more than win in gambling, that's good for building resistance to failure, thinking about the positive side of it

but, can the positive sides be bigger than all the negative aspects that come with gambling like the possibility of getting addicted?

opens up many questions on how far we should go with our entertainment

NFT games are probably the best thing that fits your bill right now.

Another thing that you could look into is video poker, but of course you'd be playing against the house.

But with video poker you have a chance of getting meaningful edge on your side if you play everything perfectly which might be what you're looking for? That's also solved by algorithms but it's much harder said than done.

A little search could probably help you know what those two poker variations are, and I think that you might enjoy Indian Poker the most because there's more mind games in that part compared to Chinese poker plus there's more players with Indian compared to a Chinese poker which only has a maximum of 4.

Playing poker game is not just purely skill based but sometimes you need a silent prayer for a good set of cards because you can't choose what card that will going to land on your table. I would going to agree with a statement that losing in game could be more often than winning but this card game really give excitement and entertainment to the gambler because of the surprise set cards that you will get each round and yeah if you're not lucky enough with the good set of cards maybe on the next round it's your turn to joy.

You're thinking in one dimension, if you can't control your emotions then try to use that uncontrollability to bluff your opponents, if you're tense then try to use that as a fluke so you can make them think that you're having a bad card or try to do the same thing when you really have a bad card, they might think that you're scared. It's a matter of using what's at your disposal in poker and even in life.

yes, even on Axie Infinity (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2973401.new#new) people are investing like 0.5 eth or less and earning 2000-4000 SLP per month which equals 232-464 usd per month
can be a nice side hustle if you like strategy games

way different than poker of course but worth checking

But still, it is difficult to bluff the opponents if you play an online poker game as we do not see what reaction from our opponents. Maybe we can use controllability to bluff but decoy them and think that we have a bad card. But you can still try that method and hopefully, your opponent will not know if you just bluff or have really bad cards. Maybe the only thing that we can do is just play as usual so who knows, we will have the good luck to win from our opponents.

it's true that poker face can only be experienced in real life. but it can also be done through bet size and game time. Yes, actually this is also tricky
because anyone can bluff. So poker is a game that uses mental as well. most high roll poker they played with strong hand so rare people bluff, It also depends on the player.

Exactly: bet size and the time you take before checking/raising/calling. I thought I invented this wording for bluff in online poker(I mean adding time to the equation, of course,  bluffing with a bet size is a well known thing), but apparently I wasn't alone. :)

Regarding "poker is already solved by algorithms", I disagree. Firstly, it's only Two-player limit Texas hold’em was "solved", and secondly by "solved" they mean that computer will win or break even in the long run. And "in the long run" is the key phrase here. If you are not forced to play thousands and thousands of games, you can beat  the husband of Cassiopeia :), or, at least it's not guaranteed that you won't.

When it comes to detecting cheating on chess you are right computers and humans do not play in the same way and expert players can see the difference very clearly so it is easy to detect but only once you put some attention to it, in the case of poker probabilities are precisely what makes poker so difficult to solve for computes, it is obvious a computer is faster and more precise at this than any human, but humans are unpredictable, the computer may think that the correct decision should be to fold but the human player can raise and make a bluff confusing the computer about what they actually have and winning more often than not.

Jump into some NFT metaverses man.

You're going have a ton of fun, it's PvP and there can be an element of skill required depending on what games you are playing.

Also, I'm not sure what you mean by "poker is already solved by algorithms". Isn't the whole point of poker to apply the algorithm to the best of your ability? If everyone could play poker perfectly then WSOP wouldn't be a thing...

Praying that you'll get a good sets of cards while those beside you on the table will get nothing in order for your to win the game, oh well, it's more on how luck will back you to filled the entertainment that you are looking and possible to win something that you can treat yourself after playing.

Not inside casino, but playing with friends, card games is very interesting and exciting the way you describe the feeling when expecting what cards will land to you and how will you win over those opponents which have the same goals as yours.. ::) ;D

That logic makes sense about the algorithm with poker. It's true that many NFT games have now made their card games and with some special graphics. One card game that is a very popular NFT game is Axie Infinity although its graphics aren't that special. There's still no PvP on it that has a betting feature but the devs themselves have already made a special server for esports and tournaments. I think that's the start of it and soon we'll see more betting features coming from updates from them. And for some other NFT games, there are card games too.

The thing about poker is, no matter how skilled a player might be, there will always be that element of luck that has to go in one's favor in order to win. But, a player could manipulate those lucks and turn them against their opponent which can decide the tide of the battle. The only card game that I can thought of is blackjack. Though it may be shorter and simpler, the mechanics are somehow similar.

Another thing, I also do think that poker is fine on its own- like there can be no similar game that can match the level of skill and amount of luck required. If you are really desperate on looking for one, then I suggest that you should check out online casinos and their games as they offer innovative and new features on their website as well.

If we only use bet size and game time to bluff the opponent, I am not sure that can work as the opponent can turn to bluff us with big money or other things. Maybe it only depends on how we play poker cards and try to beat the opponents and have the luck to be the winner. Otherwise, it will be difficult to beat them and get the money. Or we can just play poker cards for fun so that we do not have to think seriously about winning the game.

that is why it is called bluffing mate , because you are risking your position trying to scare your opponent but of course not all who use this strategy succeed because nowadays this has been obviously used and being distracted by other gamblers.

i remember when we were young , and playing local Poker  bluffing is really in effect specially in opponent that we knew has a soft character? those are the most losers in poker.

For me also poker is suitable options rather than finding any alternate to it as i am quite familiar with the game and like to play along other players judging the opponents move on the table and strategy involvement makes it more interesting for me.I have played on various games and win several times so i like poker.

Most NFT games look like a "play to win" scam to me.I know that all gambling games require money to be 'invested',but the NFT games,which I know are mostly about buying some weird "asset" and waiting for that "asset" to pay you income or dividends in the form of a token.You could upgrade that asset by spending more crypto.There's no luck or skill here.It looks more like a cloud mining scam or a ponzi scheme to me.
Anyway,I don't know about what kind of game can beat poker in terms of balance between skill and luck.
The guy how creates such game would be considered a genius and will become a millionaire.

True, and that makes Poker quite unique and fun across all skill levels. If luck is in your favor, you can beat the best of the best on a lucky day. I guess that is what attracts everyone. It also leads to wrong confirmation of alleged skill levels. Some of the guys being very lucky for a whole day or even a week (WSOP for example) really believe they are the best, while in fact they are not! :D

Not anymore. You said it yourself, "when we were young", and I believe you that 10 years ago  aggressive poker players have had an edge over passive ones in your local area. I believe you because, in fact, everywhere in the world aggressive players were harvesting their crops at the tables back then. This has ended around 3-4 years ago (ok, that's just my theory, it's not necessary to agree with me. :) ), when some smart guys and girls, especially girls actually, have started to exploit over aggressiveness of their opponents and beat them more often than not.

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Returning to the topic, I'd like to say that we don't need "an alternative to Poker", because poker wasn't "solved", and probably will never be. It's not a chess game, which indeed was solved many years ago. Poker is different, it's a great game, it's more like real life. Can you solve life? No one can. :)

If we are sure of our position, it will not be a problem to bluff the opponent because we can win. But sometimes, although we are sure with the card we have, the opponent can just bluff us by pretending they do not have a good card and seem to lose.

We can think that we are smart to bluff the opponent but we should remember that the opponent will not give up although they do not have good cards than us.

NFT games are meant to be played and you'll get your bonus once you play very well so I think there's still a need for a great skill there and sometimes luck, just like the Axie. Though poker requires no investment because that's pure gambling and there's no guarantee that you'll make money not unlike on NFT right now, many guarantees you a profit at a reasonable profit, so for me NFT play to earn games can be a good alternative.

In poker, a professional player can make more than the NFT players can make. But if you're just someone who plays and thinks that can do it on your own because you've seen some good poker players make money from it, you're doing it very wrong.
Investing and gambling are still not the same, there's the distinction between an investor and gambler.

There are always people thinking about new games however I am not so sure if they will become millionaires with it as for the most part games can be easily replicated by other people, however assuming this happened in an important casino, whether the casino is offline or online, then the popularity and the prestige of the casino could grow to the point they make some additional profits out of it, something that is not bad at all taking into account the gambling industry has a lot of competition and anything that can make unique your casino is something highly sought after.

Theres many blurred lines here, people talk about investing in BTC but just buying a commodity or currency is not really investment how I would classify it.  There a speculative interest in future supply demand which does not equate to ongoing investment in a profitable enterprise.   Its still valid but the reason people mix the two sectors of gambling and finance is speculative bets on prices could easily come close to gambling in how random the markets are on most days, especially if employing leverage.
   My largest 'bets' on BTC have at times been with a mainstream company that deploys finance laws and regulation yet is taxed as gambling.   Government and central banking have now outlawed the idea of betting on BTC pricing for humble serfs such as myself, so back to the badlands of purely decentralized trading it is.   Of course the elites or very richest people can classify themselves as business and do anything at all so mainstream is very much involved with BTC.   

playing poker is certainly based on the factor that every player must have a little analysis, a little determining the direction of the poker game means at least being able to read the opponent's cards and understand the arrangement if playing online, This is usually used in Pvp online poker betting.

However I don't understand what the OP meant about Alternative poker.
What's this: List of Poker Alternative Links (http://162.0.229.221/), which the OP is looking for if yes, let me know.

Well I think investing in an NFT games today were worth it but we need to be wise when it comes to a project that were going to invest with because there are many NFT game projects arises today and some of them turned out non profitable. I think NFT game was one of the future of cryptocurrency but being a gambler this might not just satisfies the feeling of playing gambling like poker and casino. There's no alternative in poker game which combine a skill and luck based kind of game, the feeling of playing poker is kind of different and exciting.

I think that is because when you play poker cards, you need to have experience and skills, including how to bluff your opponent or know if your opponent had a good card or bad card.

A poker game is a poker game and I think it will not be the same as the other card game and no alternative in a poker card game. But there is a card game that has a different rule than a poker game.

Don't bluff too much because the opponent will easily read the style of play, bluffing must also be at the right time and an effective way to bluff when the opponent is only 3 or 2 players because you will easily read the opponent.
and bluffing must also be supported by cards and have a strong belief that you will win, and you will win if you play poker for a long time because you will master and read the opponent's game.

I really like playing poker because it will trigger an adrenaline rush when opponents bluff and feel challenged.

yes, specially on playing online a player will probably be better by calculating odds and statistics of each hand than trying to figure out if the opponent is bluffing or not
but still there are high emotion plays and intuition on online games too, even by making it more difficult to "read" the other players on the table.

Actually, in online poker, we can determine or predict the opponent's next action by playing them for a long time at a table, their decision making on a table, that's the only thing you'll have a chance to have an ace on winning.

The same is true in actual poker; playing with them for an extended period of time at a table will reveal whether their facial reactions or mannerism is a sign of mistakes. Poker isn't only by skills, you need to be observant too and knew probabilities so it's really hard to find some alternative to poker.

There are many card games that have different rules but same concepts with skills and strategy that you need to apply in order to win against your opponents.

Good cards and the way your opponents have will be at your shoulder to how you will counter and make sure that at the end of the game you will win. It's an entertaining game that you can perform with your relatives or friends aside from taking it from the gambling houses.

and likewise, poker is poker and with your knowledge and skills you'll have a better chance to win while enjoying the game.

Yes, the concepts will be the same but most people do not see clearly about that instead, they are still trying without learning more about skills and strategy. It is not easy to make sure that at the end of the game, we can win as our opponent will not let us win instead will try to beat us in the next rounds. If we do not want to lose some money, maybe we can play poker in our home without money involved because that will help us improve our skills and learn some strategies to be used in the casino.

Playing poker with and without money will be much different, you can't learn it at home with only friends and without money. It's the same as fantasy space and reality, when in fantasy space you can make and plan many strategies but when faced with reality, you will find it difficult to do that. So in this case, if you want to learn and get a lot of strategies at least you should get involved with real money too because only in that way will your experience be formed more maturely.

At the very start I used to play a lot with my friends(no money involved), and I agree with you, even if you can potentially win just $0.1 it's different. I suspect some rich folks play real money poker not to win money(they don't need it), but to get this feeling, the feeling that the game is for real.

If anything, this would be an "alternative to Poker", in a way: a poker game where no money involved, but which feels real still. Maybe because you can earn some valuable points, or likes, or whatever, something as valuable as merits here on this forum.

Poker at some point is the most enjoyable card game as the strategy in the past of Bluffing really take effect , i remember losing many time because my opponent uses that and i don't know he is great in bluffing in which even i am confident enough in my card yet He'll get m surrender .

but nowadays this strategy has been burned and only noob got this trapped.

i think there will never be card game that replaced poker , though others are also good to play but poker is poker like what you have just said.

Maybe if you can use different bluffing methods, they will not know the truth about what your card is. But if you meet a pro poker player, I am not sure you can bluff them as they will have more experience from you and can easily bluff you back. If you look too confident or believe, your opponent can sometimes identify if you have good cards. Maybe the only thing you can do is use a cold face and pretend that you do not have a good card. I see this chance have more chances to win as the opponent will see that we are so stupid to manage the cards.

yes, hte same as trading, you can try to simulate it without real money (paper trading as they say) but it won't be the same thing as if you are doing for real
there's something about our minds being more relaxed without risk, probably

if playing poker with money is a problem one can start with little and build up slowly over time

Well one of the things why some casinos or sites offer online poker contests is that, to get much more customers, however some PVP games can be played with Black Jack.

There are other ways of implementing games for PVP, but that they are in games of chance is something difficult, therefore any game that has to do with cards is much easier, another option is with roulette, because each person makes their bet And it's like being in a normal traditional casino, I think that this may be one of the strategies that very few casinos manage to implement.

Can you please elaborate more on the last part of your post? Do you mean that the traditional roulette game after some transformation can become a game that depends not only on luck but on skill too?

This could be interesting, but I personally don't see the way of making roulette not purely luck based game.

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Regarding the OP, I want to repeat (since my early reply (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5329868.msg57842051#msg57842051) was ignored by everyone :) ), PvP poker has not been solved by algorithms in the sense that it's not interesting to play this game anymore.

quite interesting answer
found that because of your link on the last post

so, how long would be considered "in the long run"?

regarding the "poker face' possibility in the digital version, I agree, it's a bit more tricky but possible.

Well, the truth is that I have begun to believe in ability and in choosing the correct option, because on some occasions that occur in roulette we can choose a path, in fact I have been reading a lot about it, when you play with many people you can give opportunities, and in this article that they have on the bitcasino.io blog it is very interesting: https://bitcasino.io/blog/tipshackstricks/guide-to-roulette (https://bitcasino.io/blog/tipshackstricks/guide-to-roulette)

Of course, it takes a lot of skill to use strategies appropriately and a bit of daring and expect anything while taking risks.

The professional players look at every single aspect of your game to try to see if there is a weakness, even something as simple as how much time you take for your actions is very telling, as if you play quickly sometimes then this could indicate that you have a good hand as you do not have to think too much about your next move, while taking longer could mean that you are not so sure and your hand is not as good, which is why I always try to make my move roughly at the same time so this does not becomes something they can analyze.

I dont know if this has been suggested but in my own opinion card games can be considered as a good alternative to a poker game. Card games like Tong-its need to have a better calculation better dropping the card which you are thinking and analyzing which is better. So I think this could be similar to the poker game which is it needs analysis per drop and I heard that many places have this kind of game but unfortunately this is illegal in my place.

I've played Texas Hold'em and it's considered poker then what about Ohama it is also poker?

In any case, if you're interested in playing poker anymore then switch to Sports betting or Casino games unless you want a PvP.

If I remember correctly then there was a game where you go on PvP with other players to select some hand but I've forgotten the name of it and I'm sure it wasn't poker, I'll reedit this post after looking for it.

There's experienced players who know how to read your movements, not just with poker but with other card games. This knowledge can be applied, those gamblers who observe their opponents and let some bluffs to happen.

Some excited gamblers think that they are lucky, as they keep winning on consecutive rows, not realizing that the gamblers on the table are just warming up.

The real game start when you already attached with the mindsets that you are better than those players on the table. Wreckless minds will lead you to lose every single penny that you earned from those previous games.

Thank you, and thanks for reading. :)


That's what I wanted to bring to the attention, "in the long run" means thousands and thousands of games, which in reality you will hardly be playing with the same person. There are several articles on the subject, you can read  this one (https://www.theverge.com/2015/1/8/7516219/Texas-Hold-Em-poker-solved-computer-program-cepheus) for example, to see that saying that poker "is already solved by algorithms" is a bit prematurely.


Thanks for the link. I read it, and, well, sorry but to me it looks like a typical promo article. Something similar might as well be written about the "complexity" of dice game or slots. I mean, there are many options in those games, but what you choose doesn't affect the outcome. All those options are there to bring more fun to the game. And that's not a bad thing. The game should be as entertaining as possible. We are supposed to be playing for fun, after all. :)

nice @Betwrong
thanks a lot for the link!

I can imagine these programmers making the program do beat poker players hahaha this is art too

I think the biggest lesson I take out of these cases is that it's really hard for a computer to do something that humans can do well, specially with training: improvising!

have you heard of the flow state?

If you play online, then this is not the most important part of the statistics that you deprive tracker programs of tracking players  ;) If I'm not mistaken, the main meanings are your responses to a raise at different stages of the game and your raise depending on the strength of your hand. Over the long run, your pattern of behavior is nearly impossible to hide.

That's right. That's where we, humans, are unbeatable, or at least I believe so.

Improvisation isn't always a good thing: try to improvise in chess and you are beaten in no time. But poker is a great field for improvisation.


No, not before reading your post.

After a brief research on the subject, I've found these words which I like very much: "Your mindset surrounding the task should be focused on the journey, not the destination." (https://www.headspace.com/articles/flow-state) This is exactly what you need to finish ITM in a poker tournament, imo.

but poker is also a card game so what does it mean that card game can replaced another card game?

That is a local game so you cant just tell this here since almost few who posts here know this card game.

i think Black jack is best to alternative to poker as same card game also.

I got to know this card game called tong-its this one is a good card game too and actually here in my country we do have a lot of card type of game but Poker is the most played card game in casino so I think there's no alternative to enjoy a card game rather than playing a Poker game. Though we may have a different type of card game that we enjoyed to play with but Poker is the one that used to be known by many and that's mwhy I don't think that there's any better alternative to this game.

How about Rummy? That game is interesting to play, but in the crypto gambling site, I can not find the site as maybe I may not dig deeper to search for the sites. But poker is still the people's favorite card game and many pro poker players that we can meet and play together with them. Maybe in the offline casino or traditional, we will see many card games that those people played.

Sure. I remember the days when everyone was playing five card poker and then hold'em started to dominate. If something more interesting and attractive is invented, then people will easily accept it. Considering the openness of most of the cards, modern poker is as exciting as possible, but you can always come up with something new.

Never heard about this game and that's also probably why you can't find a casino that has it because it seems not that popular at all. But upon searching about it, it's also another card game but has a different mechanics to poker.

Expect that since not all games are covered by online casinos, only those that with demand.

I have seen that tracking software before and casinos in order to avoid abuse have made it so that you cannot mine information from a table in which you are not part of, otherwise everything it would be as simple as turning on your tracker on most tables and then you will have an accurate idea of how each one of your opponent plays and this is not a good thing for the casino as all the profits will concentrate in those players with that technological advantage.

I also heard about this, but as far as I understand, these changes did not affect tournaments, so any player who more or less often plays tournaments is transparent enough for analysis. Plus, if a lot of players use these trackers during their game, then in aggregate the program receives no less information than if it monitors each table itself. In my opinion, the ideal solution to this problem is a completely anonymous game where you do not see the nicknames of the players you are playing against and some casinos have created such an option. To be honest, I don’t understand why this practice hasn’t become widespread.
Because of all this nonsense, many people have an extremely negative attitude towards online poker - no one wants to be beaten by a bot or grinder who uses software to play.

I don't know if you play but " tell " are very important on game live, and even if it seems like not in online poker they also happen.

But at the point of what you mention there is something called reverse psychology, it also applies there. The truth is quite complex in the simplicity that is seen when if we use as an example those who make large bets and go for pots of hundreds of thousands of dollars, it is an art that you have to master, not to mention that this point that we comment is for so to speak a small part of the skill to play poker.

Tells: An example of this can be found in any YouTube video, but if you want to see it in a bad attempt (Hollywood)  ;) it was not a good attempt in that situation with psychological context you can see Rounders(Movie) in how it reads badly and how you can rectify an tells and then the player knows that he is making a tells that gives weakness to his game and has been exploited so the good player recognizes it and now uses it to his advantage, reverse psychology they say, but in the simplest way the game of cat and mouse.

Yes, it is a different card game but still, use cards. I think that is just popular in the traditional way and I am sure the name of the game will be different in many countries and the rules will also be different.

But if that is poker, maybe we can just accept the poker game that can not replace by the other card game, including blackjack or the other card game, because poker is poker and does not have an alternative.

oh, yes, I'd totally agree that we are better of not improvising in some areas, like heart cirurgies or building bridges.

if you want more information on the fascinating subject of the Flow State I'd recommend going directly to the source, Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi was the psychologist that first elaborate this concept, he has a TED talk and some books published
https://www.ted.com/talks/mihaly_csikszentmihalyi_flow_the_secret_to_happiness

this is a nice model as well, applies to so many things in life
https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fimage.slidesharecdn.com%2Fstateofmind-170619235928%2F95%2Fflow-state-of-mind-7-1024.jpg%3Fcb%3D1497916837&f=1&nofb=1

No Limit Texas Hold'em is so good and complex at the same time that it's hard to imagine something new that could compete with it. I bet in the next 50 years we won't see such game. Also, I believe that not only the game has not been solved, it won't be solved in the near future too.


In those fields the machines will replace us humans soon, but not in poker. :)


Thank you! I love TED talks. I'll definitely check this one out.

nice about the TED, let me know what you think of it afterwards

oh, you are right about the machines too, in reality there are already machines doing cirurgies in some cases, they can be more precise then humans for detailed stuff
so we got to a nice point here

maybe for things where improvisation adds to the experience, like poker, dance and arts, people won't be easily substituted by machines

something to think about

I think that is the main issue, I remember when there was the explosion in popularity in poker and ESPN began broadcasting the WSOP and back then the atmosphere you could get at online casinos was great, everyone wanted to learn and have some fun and no one was afraid to lose a few dollars in order to do so, but then software like poker calculators began to appear, then came bots and now tackers and people became a lot more wary of playing online as they did not wanted to be beaten by a computer and not by another human being.

oh, I remember these poker games on television too, that was fun, having this small camera that showed the cards

definitely way more emotion and adrenaline going on that only playing online, or watching online games

What can I say, I want to be in flow! I mean all of us are there at one point or another, but we need more of those moments.


Don't know about arts and dance, but in poker they won't.  8)


They are still there. I don't have TV, but I watch them regularly on YouTube. Of course they are never really live, and they have never been, but that doesn't make them less entertaining.

Yes, the intensity is with the viewers instead of the players. The players have to keep their calm or dismay so that their opponents won't notice what they're feeling, all of them have to be literally poker face. As I've watched those tables, there were plenty of those on the internet too.
I've learned a lot through bluffing and making the people on the other side of the table have no idea what you are with and about to do.

yes for gambling content that is very entertaining and fun to watch is watching pro poker player games with high roll and see how they play, what kind strategy their doing. are they bluffing success or opposites, tournament events had a lots of spectators or viewers and it seems that in such conditions there is more pressure to be felt.

There are a lot of things that you can learn if you're watching the whole thing but most of the time what I watch are those highlights to cut my time as I'd like to watch those amazing moments of each player that are either bluffing or having the YOLO mentality during that table.
And looking at the views of those videos, there are many people that are tuning in to poker plays whether it's a tournament or not.

Limit poker was solved a few years ago - bots were created that play better than humans, I think no-limit poker will also be solved (if not yet solved, I don't really follow it now). By the way, I remember how everyone said that the GO game could not be solved for at least 10 years, and literally a year later, AlfaGo appeared which did it.

That will be a good lesson for people who wants to learn more details about poker, especially how to play better like a pro, how to bluff the opponent, or how to calm down when we do not have a good card so our opponent does not think that we can win from them and else. But it is hard to learn one by one of the lessons since that needs a focus to understand the point of the lessons. That is what someone needs to do when he wants to be a pro poker player.

Well, the best way to learn these kinds of gambling games is by experience because without experience the opponents who already have a lot of experience in gambling could have more advantages than you. He knows how things work so definitely they can play bluffing or tricking the enemy through actions and such. IMO, it's easy to play like a pro once you've learned about the probability and how to act in different situations, I bet you'll gonna have more wins.

Well, it's more on the confidence level and the amount of money you actually have. I admit, skill is required when playing games like poker, but really, the bare necessity in actually trying to fight pros is that you must have enough bankroll to actually do so. Only then would the competition actually have sense, since only then would players actually showcase their real skill, unlike casual matches. That requirement is actually a massive influence in how you play, so it's honestly going to take a lot of time.

yes! I like the idea that "Flow is the fuel for learning"
all society would definitely benefit of more people being in flow for more time.

yes, its nice to watch poker games sometimes, never thought about searching for it online
I don't have a tv either

Not saying that I agree with good bankroll as if you don't have the right skills, you'll just keep losing your money. Though if staying longer due to good bankroll allows you to keep adjusting and if you are learning from each game that you are playing, the very chance that you'll be able to play like a pro.

Not always possible but it's there, when experienced already gives you confidence poker or other same a like skills games would allow you to enjoy and earned decent profits.

Maybe we can play without any tension to get the experience in a poker game as that is our reason to know how they play. We can observe what they do while playing the game and if they use some trick, we need to observe so maybe we can get the point of that. A pro poker will have a different way to trick the opponent and that is something that can not learn quickly, so we need to watch them play. When we can have much experience playing with them, that can improve our skills because we can know how to play better than the opponent.

Yes, a large bankroll is not a top priority, because when you have experience at least you will be able to start with a low bankroll and be able to make it increase. So, in this case it is clear that the experience of many hours of playing will make you have many better strategies and plans but indeed, gambling is not always smooth but with self-confidence that has been formed from the experience you have, at least you will be able to have better control. But indeed, money is the main thing for us to be able to sit down but it can only be used sufficiently and we don't have to force it to start with a lot of money.

This is the beauty when you do deal up with strategic type of games on where you could really make out some advantage if you are really good on handling out the game.It wont really matter much if you do only have small bankroll or capital to make use.

Strategic type of games like poker and other card games is  really good to learn on and same goes on entertaining yourself aside on playing with dice or automated games
and you do just simply wait up for the results or outcome but well this is talking about self preference.

Those are some guides that everyone can watch but nothing beats to the actual experience when they're already playing poker. The way others might bluff you will also be helpful to you because you get the strategy.
When to fold, when to raise and also other things that one can learn from experiences. It's always the best teacher and you'll grow by gaining more experience if you want to be a good poker player.

I remember when I was a child I used to watched those older people playing gambling sometimes I spend a lot of my time watching them playing and by looking at the faces of the poker player I could say that they are in a serious mode of game. This is one of the game that I've known which require skills and luck at the same time. The good thing about this kind of game is that when you are more experienced than on your opponent you have the advantage to win the game.

You are right. At least, if we watch the lessons, we can know how to apply the strategy to the real game, which can improve our skills and experience. If we are often playing poker, I am sure that we will benefit from the lesson and maybe we can make our own strategy or modify from the existing strategy. But do not forget that we need time before we can master the lesson and it needs more practice to have that skills.

this is interesting ethereumhunter
mastering of any activity takes time and hours of practice
even though you can learn how to be an average poker player in a couple of weeks, or maybe even days, mastering it will probably take years, some say it takes 10,000 hours to master any craft

Yeah right, with this kind of game is more on your skills than luck. Experienced is an advantage as you know how to react each time your opponents are dealing with you. You'll noticed how serious everyone around the table as they know that in one single mistake their opponent can easily read their cards by means of every emotion and reactions that they are showing.

It's a tough competition, but even you are just watching for sure, you are also been driven by all those gamblers who are playing, intense and exciting. That's how you feel while waiting for anyone who will come out as a winner.

You could look into Crash/dual player Crash.

Even though most of it is chance, there is a degree of psychology involved because if you are able to cash out at just the right time you can often reap bonuses on top of your win (for being one of the last people to cash out before the crash).

I wouldn't touch the NFT games that other people are touting, though.

This would be definite in talks of hours needed for someone to master out specially poker.This doesnt only talks about basics or combinations but also you do need to learn how to bluff or something that correlates with
emotions and stuffs.Poker is something that really needs strategy and knowledge and skills and speaking with with alternative to poker then this is something in related with other card games too but if not then
stick to those luck based type of games that we do have currently in the market.

in your opinion what are the problems with the NFT games?
many are pretty good, fun to play and paying people for months now.

probably many more will come in the next months and years too

Poker is a game in which math is heavily involved in weighting odds and understanding the risks and rewards on a certain situation, particularly Texas Hold'em has been studied over and over and many of the great players are also kind of chess masters in terms of ability. However, the OP saying that poker has been "solved by algorithms" does not make any sense. An algorithm can estimate odds probably better than any person, but estimating odds is not enough to win systematically

Well, I think the word "poker" is too generic, given the fact that there are many types of games in poker.

Regarding luck and skill, I believe so, this may even have a correlation, the simple fact that there is randomness in the act of players receiving cards (I don't know if this is a random walk) and I believe that it also involves strategy because of the fact that, you can "cheat" and bluff your opponents during the game.

This is not really true but I will mention it to someone I know who completed a maths degree, they do play Poker and I do think there is an advantage to considering the weighting as you mention but its not the entire game.  Its important in poker not to be too predictable maybe for this reason, if the opponents can work out your progression then you will have worse odds of winning as they will not challenge when you have good cards etc.   The trick is to not be linear in your play, a computer will perform this better I agree but Poker is about the people playing not really precise odd calculation.   
  If you want really random I guess you have to be in horse racing or something but you are then required to judge the horses but at least its going to be natural dynamics.   All games can have some maths applied, Poker is quite open compared to some.

we still don't know what NFT games future , I remember that there are a very famous Crypto Game in the past called
"Kryptokitty"  in which many cryptonians also made some good profit there but now where's the game?

But this NFT games are worth to play if you are part of the early players because most of it are just a short time profiting .

Even if poker's solved easily by algorithms, it doesn't mean that it's easy, it's not like every player is a Rain Man that can easily count the cards and the numbers. So I think it's still as good as it is because it's as hard as it is to mentally compute what's happening in the table and you also have to go mind the bluffing and betting pressures

As long we are persistent to study and make doing it as a practice we can probably do it and master it. When it comes in gambling now matter how good we are there will be different approach in every situations we should know how to decide in every approach of our opponent or what cards make come to us and thru experience we can learn and win on it.

I see that there are more talks about the asian types of poker played in east and south east asia, also in south asia. I am curious as to whether there are also variants of poker or other card games that can be found on other parts of the world such as in Europe or the Americas also in Africa and Russia. Maybe there would be some website out there that is not popular but have the compilation of many different card games aside from poker.

This depends on the ceiling of the activity, there are activities in which there does not seem to be a ceiling at all or it is too far for most people to reach, in those instances you are right, it is going to take a significant amount of time for anyone to become a master at the activity.

However while poker is by no means an easy game to learn and to play the randomness aspect of it which dominates it lowers the ceiling as now not everything is about your skill, and as such it should take less time to master it and play at a high enough level.

Poker is not "already solved by algorithms" and that goes a long way to explain why it is still so popular. When you are playing between several players then bluffing, which is outside the bounds of any algorithm calculation, can often come into play. If people see you playing a really tight game, then they expect that you are sticking to pot odds and will raise above the point where mathematically it makes sense for you to stick in the hand. There are a huge number of players online, many tens of thousands at any moment in time - definitely more than in the past, you just need to know where the busiest sites are. Anyway, if you're looking to create a new game then maybe come up with some idea similar to Chess which also has many billions of possible combinations to victory.

By doing a quick search, you'll find some information that you're looking for and maybe this is what you're looking for. That goes for different type of pokers.
https://www.gamblingsites.org/poker/games/

And for the different type of card games. Actually, there are many of them but by quick search, these are the results.
https://www.solitaire365.com/tips/types-of-card-games
https://invisioncommunity.co.uk/7-different-types-of-card-games/

There are various variants of poker.

    Texas Hold'em. Texas Hold'em is by far the most well-known version of poker available today. ...
    Omaha High. Omaha High is usually just referred to as Omaha. ...
    Omaha Hi/Lo. ...
    Seven Card Stud. ...
    Razz. ...
    Five Card Draw. ...
    Deuce to Seven Triple Draw. ...
    Badugi.
 

etc.
Source: https://www.gamblingsites.org/poker/games/

There are other variants which is only known on local country.

I will suggest you sports betting or teen patti that's what i'm hearing from the youtube ads these days while watching indian comedy channels.
It's similar to poker because i could see the cards but haven't tried the game, I've played Texas holdem but not teen patti.